New online hate crime banning orders

We live in a divided society, forced apart by divisive politicians that deliberately say outrageous things, so that the opposition have to say equally outrageous things to counterbalance it.

Anyone who makes sense in the middle is simply lost or drowned out.

That's why there's more friction and more hate. At least, that's how it feels. It takes just a few seconds browsing Twitter before I see an argument where two people are at polar opposites over a topic that needs reasoned debate, not outrageous opinions given at increased frequency until someone gives up or backs down.

Middle ground is hard to achieve. You're now in a situation where the government is on this floating island, on some power trip, with people who buy into this idea that we still hold sway in a world in which we're becoming increasingly small and ever more irrelevant, while the rest of Britain looks on in dismay, struggling to get its act together in a way that will rectify the problem because it lacks leadership.

Gone off on one there but yeah, football fans are treated differently.

Quoted from RichMariner

We live in a divided society, forced apart by divisive politicians that deliberately say outrageous things, so that the opposition have to say equally outrageous things to counterbalance it.

Anyone who makes sense in the middle is simply lost or drowned out.

That's why there's more friction and more hate. At least, that's how it feels. It takes just a few seconds browsing Twitter before I see an argument where two people are at polar opposites over a topic that needs reasoned debate, not outrageous opinions given at increased frequency until someone gives up or backs down.

Middle ground is hard to achieve. You're now in a situation where the government is on this floating island, on some power trip, with people who buy into this idea that we still hold sway in a world in which we're becoming increasingly small and ever more irrelevant, while the rest of Britain looks on in dismay, struggling to get its act together in a way that will rectify the problem because it lacks leadership.

Gone off on one there but yeah, football fans are treated differently.

Gone off on one mate but you’ve squarely head the nail on the head. 👍🏼

So if I had a “ friend” who typed on a message board that Lincoln supporters were six fingered etc, then the police would be round to do my “ friend “ for hate crime, but if my “ friends” house was burgled then all the police would do is give him an incident number.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

So now we can't even type that Lincoln are six fingered, carrot crunching sister fiddlers?
Asking for a friend of course.

You can't be done if you are factual

Quoted from aldi_01

Tories essentially introducing laws to stop protests ir union strike type behaviour, where on earth have we seen that before?

Most of the football banning laws , taking away of passports ect were introduced in 2000 under Tony Blair .
They only have to suspect that their is intent to cause trouble for a passport to be taken away and the person have to report on match days ect .
Really it’s the only law we’re someone receives quite harsh punishment and no crime has been committed .
They had is sewn up as legal aid isn’t available as the punishment doesn’t include prison which makes it impossible for most fans accused to be able to afford to defend themselves.

They wouldn’t have dared introducing a law like that against any other section of society.

Another example which a few on here will be able to vouch for was Euro 2000.
Around 900 England fans were arrested then deported from Brussels the day before the first game with Germany .
Nearly all was totally innocent including myself and around 20 others from Grimsby .
We was held in a Belgium jail for 4 days then flown back to Standstead airport on a Belgium Air Force plane with out ever seeing a solicitor or anyone from the embassy .
Most of us had bags , passports, cars  , money ect in hotels still in Brussels.
Now if any government in Europe had done the same thing with any other section of society without any due process there would have been hell on .
Nobody from the Labour government at the time  , Human rights groups or civil liberty campaigner ect gave a toss about English working class men and it seems to me they still don’t

I think more came in under the tories after Luton/Millwall, Hysel and Hillsbrough

Came in in 1989 under the tories
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/football-related-offences-and-football-banning-orders

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

I think more came in under the tories after Luton/Millwall, Hysel and Hillsbrough

Came in in 1989 under the tories
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/football-related-offences-and-football-banning-orders

The act was amended by Labour in 2000 to allow banning orders to be issued on the suspicion of local police.
Looking at the dates on that Wiki page below the law came in as a reaction to the Euro 2000 arrest , most of whole were innocent anyway .
Euro 2000 was played in June and the law passed in the July four weeks later .
This wouldn’t have been able to happen to any other section of society
Basically the police became the judge and the jury

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(Disorder)_Act_2000

Quoted from grimps

Most of the football banning laws , taking away of passports ect were introduced in 2000 under Tony Blair .
They only have to suspect that their is intent to cause trouble for a passport to be taken away and the person have to report on match days ect .
Really it’s the only law we’re someone receives quite harsh punishment and no crime has been committed .
They had is sewn up as legal aid isn’t available as the punishment doesn’t include prison which makes it impossible for most fans accused to be able to afford to defend themselves.

They wouldn’t have dared introducing a law like that against any other section of society.

Another example which a few on here will be able to vouch for was Euro 2000.
Around 900 England fans were arrested then deported from Brussels the day before the first game with Germany .
Nearly all was totally innocent including myself and around 20 others from Grimsby .
We was held in a Belgium jail for 4 days then flown back to Standstead airport on a Belgium Air Force plane with out ever seeing a solicitor or anyone from the embassy .
Most of us had bags , passports, cars  , money ect in hotels still in Brussels.
Now if any government in Europe had done the same thing with any other section of society without any due process there would have been hell on .
Nobody from the Labour government at the time  , Human rights groups or civil liberty campaigner ect gave a toss about English working class men and it seems to me they still don’t

Don’t disagree but my point was more about the increased law changing and lowers to bypass systems to push things through to benefit government.

Banning orders are questionable and I’m assuming that the lack of real longitudinal study in their effectiveness probably suggests they’re not effective else police forces and government would be ramming it down our necks.

Those sweeping approaches aren’t just used here or against English fans. A good friend received a ban over in Italy on his way back from Crotone, there’d been some disorder…on arrogant back at verona station the police just took them all and banned them…no questions…

It’s just bizarre that people seemingly accept it and I guess the narsative is so against football fans that nobody challenges it.

Yeah lads that’s right. Let’s portray the party we didn’t vote for as treating football fans the worst. !!

It doesn’t fecking matter which party is in. Football fans will always have no rights.
Stop trying to score political points and for once unite against a common enemy.
Politicians that are so far removed from real life on the terraces that they don’t give a fat rats @rse about the vast majority of law abiding, decent people that follow football.

So you are guilty till proved innocent.