New online hate crime banning orders

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It doesn’t fecking matter which party is in. Football fans will always have no rights.
Stop trying to score political points and for once unite against a common enemy.
Politicians that are so far removed from real life on the terraces that they don’t give a fat rats @rse about the vast majority of law abiding, decent people that follow football.

Quoted from grimps

The act was amended by Labour in 2000 to allow banning orders to be issued on the suspicion of local police.
Looking at the dates on that Wiki page below the law came in as a reaction to the Euro 2000 arrest , most of whole were innocent anyway .
Euro 2000 was played in June and the law passed in the July four weeks later .
This wouldn’t have been able to happen to any other section of society
Basically the police became the judge and the jury

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(Disorder)_Act_2000

Quoted from aldi_01

Don’t disagree but my point was more about the increased law changing and lowers to bypass systems to push things through to benefit government.

Banning orders are questionable and I’m assuming that the lack of real longitudinal study in their effectiveness probably suggests they’re not effective else police forces and government would be ramming it down our necks.

Those sweeping approaches aren’t just used here or against English fans. A good friend received a ban over in Italy on his way back from Crotone, there’d been some disorder…on arrogant back at verona station the police just took them all and banned them…no questions…

It’s just bizarre that people seemingly accept it and I guess the narsative is so against football fans that nobody challenges it.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say but your comment earlier about football banning orders allowing the Police to take away a passport is slightly misleading. They were allowed to do so in relation to a football match being played, so a person could be stopped from travelling to (say) Germany when England were playing in Germany. It didn't stop you taking your kids on holiday to Tenerife.
It also had to be related to an existing football related issue ie you had to have form. Someone who had never been convicted of a football related crime could travel to Germany for that game with no issues.

Your experience of being deported from Brussels (I think you said) sounds like total misuse of this power.

Quoted from Bigdog

We're at a point in history when it doesn't matter which party is in charge of our country.. None of our politicians can be trusted and none of them are worth our vote..Everyone needs to wake up to the fact that they hate us.. all of them..

The internet was/is a great freedom giving tool for Joe Public, but eventually it's going to be used to enslave us..

Quoted from grimps

If England are playing in a month long tournament then you passport would be taken ( or actually handed in) for the whole month and to get it to go on Holliday somewhere else you would need agreement from a court , which again would cost money and time getting

I can’t remember the exact number of days for one off games but it’s probably 2-3 days before a game which is pretty restrictive for planning family holidays

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

You're right on both accounts. But there had (has) to be a reason for it, you had to have been convicted of a football related crime or something like being banned from your club or have been deported previously for a football related 'crime'. It's not just a random process of stopping any football fan from travelling.

I have a mate who travels to every England game away. A decent, law abiding bloke who loves football and watching England. Never had a problem. And he has been in the ground when there have been disturbances, but he has kept himself out of them.

Quoted from grimps

I’m sure most of the fans that the law was used against probably deserved banning ect but it still doesn’t make it right that the police can decide who has a passport taken away , banned from areas of his own Town and using public transport ect  without the accused really having a chance of defending themselves .
I’ll say it again that this wouldn’t happen against any other section of society 😀