Nominative determinism

Khan doing an amazing job, wish I lived there 😂

I'm amazed UKIP still exist. What could possibly be their vote catching slogan?

Quoted from Humbercod

Khan doing an amazing job, wish I lived there 😂

Yeah I bet he's crapping himself with a 25 point lead over the worst Tory candidate in living memory.

Quoted from Humbercod

Khan doing an amazing job, wish I lived there 😂

Because you don’t live here you’ve got not fuckingclue what he’s like as mayor, or what the real issues are, only what you read in the hate media.

I have friends and Family who live in that once great city! And yes it’s a excrement hole👍

Quoted from barralad

Yeah I bet he's crapping himself with a 25 point lead over the worst Tory candidate in living memory.

This is more to do with the demographics of a city out of kilter with the rest of the population! Nothing to do with policy’s.

Quoted from Humbercod

This is more to do with the demographics of a city out of kilter with the rest of the population! Nothing to do with policy’s.

You do know who the Tory candidate is, don’t you?

Quoted from Humbercod

I have friends and Family who live in that once great city! And yes it’s a excrement hole👍

They have the choice leave if they want, selling your property here will give you enough capital to relocate anywhere with cash to spare, but they probably won't because London is fantastic, the history, the culture, the opportunities are the best in the world,  it's more than a little ironic calling one of the world's greatest  cities a shithole, I love my own town but I am pretty embarrassed every time I come back into Town down the A180 and along Cleethorpe Road

Quoted from ska face

You do know who the Tory candidate is, don’t you?

You do know the demographics amounts to much more than just skin colour.

Quoted from codcheeky

They have the choice leave if they want, selling your property here will give you enough capital to relocate anywhere with cash to spare, but they probably won't because London is fantastic, the history, the culture, the opportunities are the best in the world,  it's more than a little ironic calling one of the world's greatest  cities a shithole, I love my own town but I am pretty embarrassed every time I come back into Town down the A180 and along Cleethorpe Road

Hard to leave a well paid job. You talk about history whilst Khan is busy choosing which statues need to be brought down, which street names need to be changed, as for culture leaving the tourist traps aside you talking about pre- 2000 multiculturalism?  
Total failure according to New Labour!

Opportunities in Khans London are great unless you happen to be white as diversity trumps merit in Khans London.
It’s nice you think of your own town as being a shithole, but at least we don’t have no go areas, plus you’re statistically less likely to suffer violent crime being murdered or raped.

Quoted from Humbercod

Hard to leave a well paid job. You talk about history whilst Khan is busy choosing which statues need to be brought down, which street names need to be changed, as for culture leaving the tourist traps aside you talking about pre- 2000 multiculturalism?  
Total failure according to New Labour!

Opportunities in Khans London are great unless you happen to be white as diversity trumps merit in Khans London.
It’s nice you think of your own town as being a shithole, but at least we don’t have no go areas, plus you’re statistically less likely to suffer violent crime being murdered or raped.

Are your friends and relatives black or asian? They can't possibly have well paid job if they are white, surely the dreadful risks would make them want to move? Of course not, when you move from Grimsby you realise just how far it has been left behind
Most of us embrace the vibrant multicultural society here, we are all humans after all,
I don't know where you get your statistics from (I am sure you haven't just made them up) but I feel much safer walking the streets here , you can pretend it's peaceful at closing time in Grimsby town centre or along the sea front my experience is not that. I think most would agree Grimsby is a pretty rough town, I have never been to a no go area here and would struggle to think of one

Quoted from Humbercod

You do know the demographics amounts to much more than just skin colour.

Khan - London born, second generation migrant, middle-aged BME man, father was a bus driver, state educated, worked manual jobs then worked in law before politics.

Bailey - London born, second generation migrant, middle-aged BME man, father was a lorry driver, state educated, worked manual jobs then worked in the charity sector before politics.


So what “demographic issues” mean Londoners vote for Khan rather than Bailey. Think we all know what you were getting at...

Quoted from codcheeky

Are your friends and relatives black or asian? They can't possibly have well paid job if they are white, surely the dreadful risks would make them want to move? Of course not, when you move from Grimsby you realise just how far it has been left behind
Most of us embrace the vibrant multicultural society here, we are all the humans after all,
I don't know where you get your statistics from (I am sure you haven't just made them up) but I feel much safer walking the streets here , you can pretend it's peaceful at closing time in Grimsby town centre or along the sea front my experience is not that. I think most would agree Grimsby is a pretty rough town, I have never been to a no go area here and would struggle to think of one

Let me help.

I went to an area north of Croyden, I've forgotten the name of it but wouldn't want to be there after nightfall. As I recall it was either 2/3 storey flats, unpainted for years. The car park area had several burnt-out rusting vehicles and all garages seemed to be used as lock-ups with several locks, the original fitted ones had been broken.

I then went a couple of streets away to witness the same thing. I was not happy, felt intimidated by the surroundings and, although the people I met were very nice, I couldn't wait to be on my home.

Regarding Cleethorpes seafront any time day or night I have seen rusting burnt-out vehicles. Multi-cultural is a nice word and I have lived next door to people whose origins were from Pakistan, Italy, and the Caribean with no problems. Baring one, my GP's come from none white backgrounds and I don't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with your multicultural description though. A few years ago I was parked up in north London near a tube/rail station for about 4 hours. I saw many people of various nationalities apart from one. Skin tones, vocabulary, etc all show their ethnicity apart from this one nationality.

White English/British speaking our national language in any dialect you like. So my conclusion is that London is not multicultural, is not safe and apart from touristy areas best-avoided all cost.

Wow DB just wow.

You just said that you saw many different nationalities, ethnicities and skin tones but because you didn't see a white person speaking English that means London is not multicultural. Surely that means it is. If I walk through Grimsby I don't see many different nationalities, ethnicities or skin tones but that is because Grimsby is the antithesis of multicultural.

As for the safety bit, well my mother lived in Croydon for 15 years and we visited her on numerous occasions. We often got the Tram to the Wandle Park stop, which was nearest to her house, late at night and we walked to her house without ever feeling intimidated or unsafe. I think the comment about Cleethorpes seafront was supposed to focus on the drunken thugs who seem to pour out of Cleethorpes many hostelries at night and can be very intimidating. I don't think there was supposed to be a comparison with Beirut.

You sound like the sort of bloke who has a black friend and so isn't a racist. What would that middle eastern jewish gentleman think?

I used to go down and work in London every winter to help with the workload for a National company, I would usually work until 10pm and the jobs would be sent electronically. Highlighted with these jobs would be postcodes where you do not attend alone! The local guys I spoke to who would work through the night shift said all jobs would tend to be a 2 man visit.

I’ve worked in other of the big city’s Birmingham, Manchester etc, and although a there’s a few dodgy areas there’s nothing like London.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Wow DB just wow.

You just said that you saw many different nationalities, ethnicities and skin tones but because you didn't see a white person speaking English that means London is not multicultural. Surely that means it is.

It certainly is and some people celebrate this!!!
  

Quoted from Humbercod

I used to go down and work in London every winter to help with the workload for a National company, I would usually work until 10pm and the jobs would be sent electronically. Highlighted with these jobs would be postcodes where you do not attend alone! The local guys I spoke to who would work through the night shift said all jobs would tend to be a 2 man visit.

I’ve worked in other of the big city’s Birmingham, Manchester etc, and although a there’s a few dodgy areas there’s nothing like London.

I've worked in several large cities in the North including the one closest to Grimsby and I can assure you that so called no-go areas are not just the territory of people from ethnic minority backgrounds.

Quoted from barralad

I've worked in several large cities in the North including the one closest to Grimsby and I can assure you that so called no-go areas are not just the territory of people from ethnic minority backgrounds.

I’m sure you can, I know Sheffield quite well, interested to know which white area is a no go area? I’m intrigued.

Quoted from Humbercod

I’m sure you can, I know Sheffield quite well, interested to know which white area is a no go area? I’m intrigued.

White area? Unbelievable.

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Quoted from Humbercod

I’m sure you can, I know Sheffield quite well, interested to know which white area is a no go area? I’m intrigued.

Who said anything about Sheffield. Perhaps you should look at a road atlas.

Haven’t our local emergency services gone in pairs of vehicles to some areas of our own town for a while now? You very rarely see a single police car blue lighting it anywhere.

Quoted from Humbercod

I’m sure you can, I know Sheffield quite well, interested to know which white area is a no go area? I’m intrigued.

I live in Sheffield, it is a diverse and multi-ethnic city where people of all races live happily side by side. There are no 'white' or any other race specific 'areas' here you utter weirdo, urine off with this prejudiced balderdash.

Quoted from Humbercod

Hard to leave a well paid job. You talk about history whilst Khan is busy choosing which statues need to be brought down, which street names need to be changed, as for culture leaving the tourist traps aside you talking about pre- 2000 multiculturalism?  
Total failure according to New Labour!

Opportunities in Khans London are great unless you happen to be white as diversity trumps merit in Khans London.
It’s nice you think of your own town as being a shithole, but at least we don’t have no go areas, plus you’re statistically less likely to suffer violent crime being murdered or raped.

Now you are proving you know fuckall about London. You wanna stop reading latter-day National Front shyte.

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Who said anything about Sheffield. Perhaps you should look at a road atlas.

I wouldn’t put Hull or Lincoln down has being a large city so that leaves only leave Sheffield. But do enlighten me to the no go non ethnic Area’s that YOU implied.

Quoted from smokey111

White area? Unbelievable.

Implied by somebody else not me!  But sorry for using the word white and not non ethnic FFS

Quoted from Chrisblor

I live in Sheffield, it is a diverse and multi-ethnic city where people of all races live happily side by side. There are no 'white' or any other race specific 'areas' here you utter weirdo, urine off with this prejudiced balderdash.

Pal you’re thick as excrement I never said there was!

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Now you are proving you know fuckall about London. You wanna stop reading latter-day National Front shyte.

It’s a dirty rat infested excrement hole that will be on par with Paris in 5 years time.

Quoted from Humbercod

It’s a dirty rat infested excrement hole that will be on par with Paris in 5 years time.

I think I already know the answer, but I am not sure you will give your genuine thoughts. Why is Paris so bad and why do you think London is heading that way?

Quoted from Humbercod

I wouldn’t put Hull or Lincoln down has being a large city so that leaves only leave Sheffield. But do enlighten me to the no go non ethnic Area’s that YOU implied.

Hull has a population of just over 300,000- Newcastle's is for sake of comparison 320,000.
My job took me into parts of the North Hull Estate where you wouldnt go alone-particularly after dark.
Hull's ethnicity is close to 90% white British.
I was also based in Belle Isle in Leeds-another area with over 90% British white ethnicity but sadly beset by huge problems with drugs and unemployment.
The whole point of this reply is to show that your reaction is lazy, triggered stereotyping. The problems in cities particularly in the north are a direct result of central government policies particularly those relating to local authority funding and the care sector.

Quoted from barralad

You said WHITE!!!!

Hull has a population of just over 300,000- Newcastle's is for sake of comparison 320,000.
My job took me into parts of the North Hull Estate where you wouldnt go alone-particularly after dark.
Hull's ethnicity is close to 90% white British.
I was also based in Belle Isle in Leeds-another area with over 90% British white ethnicity but sadly beset by huge problems with drugs and unemployment.
The whole point of this reply is to show that your reaction is lazy, triggered stereotyping. The problems in cities particularly in the north are a direct result of central government policies particularly those relating to local authority funding and the care sector.

Hulls population is 250,000 not large by city status!
Hulls Metropolitan area population doesn’t even make the top 20 where as Newcastle is ranked 6th.
I worked in Hull for 3 years around 20 years ago I take it you’re talking about the Bransholme estate? I’d heard the rumours about the area before working there and I can honestly say it’s a load of bollox. It’s basically a larger version of the Nunny absolutely no areas or streets are classed as unsafe. There is some great people living there but like every estate there’s a handful of problem families.
I’ve also worked Leeds, Bradford, Halifax, all around West Yorkshire really, going into Burnley and Blackburn on occasions, Chapel Town and Meanwood were certainly rough in Leeds and once I got stopped by the police in Meanwood late one night, I was told by the police that it wasn’t safe to even be driving around there.
You talk about stereotyping but the facts remain every so called no go area I’ve encountered in my real life experience has a common denominator, you can sugar coat it as much as you want but it’s basically denialism.

Quoted from Humbercod

Pal you’re thick as excrement I never said their was!

Chiangmaimariner, I owe you an apology. I am sorry.

Grammar police alert! Great input👏

Quoted from Humbercod

Hulls population is 250,000 not large by city status!
Hulls Metropolitan area population doesn’t even make the top 20 where as Newcastle is ranked 6th.
I worked in Hull for 3 years around 20 years ago I take it you’re talking about the Bransholme estate? I’d heard the rumours about the area before working there and I can honestly say it’s a load of bollox. It’s basically a larger version of the Nunny absolutely no areas or streets are classed as unsafe. There is some great people living there but like every estate there’s a handful of problem families.
I’ve also worked Leeds, Bradford, Halifax, all around West Yorkshire really, going into Burnley and Blackburn on occasions, Chapel Town and Meanwood were certainly rough in Leeds and once I got stopped by the police in Meanwood late one night, I was told by the police that it wasn’t safe to even be driving around there.
You talk about stereotyping but the facts remain every so called no go area I’ve encountered in my real life experience has a common denominator, you can sugar coat it as much as you want but it’s basically denialism.

If I was talking about Bransholme I would have said Bransholme. Try reading before your eyeballs bulge out of your  head.
NORTH HULL ESTATE.
Every no go area I've encountered does have a common denominator-well certainly since 2010. They are all victims of Tory government policies.

Quoted from Humbercod

Grammar police alert! Great input👏

Do you not see the humour in telling someone they are thick as pig excrement, whilst using incorrect grammar?

Quoted from Sandford1981

Do you not see the humour in telling someone they are thick as pig excrement, whilst using incorrect grammar?

Out of all the cranks, trolls, and nutters on social media the Grammer police have got to be ranked as one of the saddest, but fair point...👍

Quoted from Humbercod

Out of all the cranks, trolls, and nutters on social media the Grammer police have got to be ranked as one of the saddest, but fair point...👍

My point was one intended with humour. I’m the last person to be lecturing anyone on grammar.
Besides we disagree on most things, but grammar doesn’t need to be one of them.

It’s good to disagree Sandford no problem with that I’m usually in disagreement on many subjects due to the political make up of this forums posters. And to be fair I did find your post humorous but a bit of a cheap shot considering it was -
A. Your first input on the topic of conversation.
B. That fact I was already in a minority of 1 you still felt the need to pick up your pitchfork (metaphorically speaking) and join the attack for what... a typo error.

Anyway no offence taken as I gauge that you and the rest of the posters are generally good people.

Quoted from Humbercod

It’s good to disagree Sandford no problem with that I’m usually in disagreement on many subjects due to the political make up of this forums posters. And to be fair I did find your post humorous but a bit of a cheap shot considering it was -
A. Your first input on the topic of conversation.
B. That fact I was already in a minority of 1 you still felt the need to pick up your pitchfork (metaphorically speaking) and join the attack for what... a typo error.

Anyway no offence taken as I gauge that you and the rest of the posters are generally good people.

Not really a typo, however it’s ok to make mistakes but a bit rich and incredibly stupid when denigrating others has thick has excrement

Quoted from Humbercod

And to be fair I did find your post humorous but a bit of a cheap shot considering it was -
A. Your first input on the topic of conversation.
B. That fact I was already in a minority of 1 you still felt the need to pick up your pitchfork (metaphorically speaking) and join the attack for what... a typo error.

It was absolutely a cheap shot, but it was as much a poke at myself for having a previous pop at Chiangmaimariner for the same thing. Every day is a school day as they say and I learnt my lesson.

As far being in a minority-I didn’t give it much thought truth be told and perhaps that is something for me to think about, though normally you seem to revel in that scenario 😉.

Quoted from codcheeky

Not really a typo, however it’s ok to make mistakes but a bit rich and incredibly stupid when denigrating others has thick has excrement

Denigrating others!! Am I not allowed to defend myself against someone who had totally misjudged my post!l. Still awaiting  an apology!
We’re I do agree with Chrislober is when he talked about  diverse and multi-ethnic community absolutely spot on! no problem with this as a community united with shared values then this is we’re we should be.
But as for multiculturalism which goes totally against shared values then I’m vehemently against, but if that makes me a racist according to Kingston Commie then I will die die by my sword.

I'm still trying to work out how multiculturalism goes against shared values?

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

I'm still trying to work out how multiculturalism goes against shared values?

Bloody hell just look at what’s happening in Batley? Freedom of speach for a start is pivotal to shared values.

But then I fully expect the lefty’s on here to be on the side of the intolerant Mob.

Comedy gold this...

Quoted from Humbercod

Bloody hell just look at what’s happening in Batley? Freedom of speach for a start is pivotal to shared values.

But then I fully expect the lefty’s on here to be on the side of the intolerant Mob.

They are monoculturalists. They're from one particular culture and only want their culture recognised and do not care that there are other cultures involved. So they are monoculturalists living in a town were there is more than one culture. They are not multicultural because they believe in the exclusivity of one culture.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

They are monoculturalists. They're from one particular culture and only want their culture recognised and do not care that there are other cultures involved. So they are monoculturalists living in a town were there is more than one culture. They are not multicultural because they believe in the exclusivity of one culture.

And therein lies the problem. It’s a bit like some of our expats (not all) on a very smaller scale, that have no real interest in the local customs and cultures, and certainly don’t want to bother learning the language. As the community grows it becomes a mini UK and any chance to assimilate disappears.