Who needs to intercourse off?

For me:

Hewitt
Green
Rose
Preston
Hendrie (sadly not good enough)
Williams
Bennett
Sisay (if he’s not good enough to get into this team then god knows how bad he must be)


Borderline

Scannell (shown glimpses but can’t stay fit)
Gibson (should at least go out on loan but don’t think he’ll ever be good enough)
Jackson Jr (as above)

Says it all that so many of our players aren’t good enough.

Clifton

Hewitt will always be included in the squad because he's so versatile.
Hendrie has been pretty solid all season, although today he was piisss poor
Rose looked an awful lot more effective today partnering matete. Hurst likes experienced players so i suspect he'll be told that a lot more is expected of him but he will be an almost automatic pick. Think Clifton is destined to be a squad player
I'd say McKeown & Green are the ones under real threat - they are consistently underperforming

the rest I'd agree with

Quoted from davmariner

For me:

Hewitt
Green
Rose
Preston
Hendrie (sadly not good enough)
Williams
Bennett
Sisay (if he’s not good enough to get into this team then god knows how bad he must be)


Borderline

Scannell (shown glimpses but can’t stay fit)
Gibson (should at least go out on loan but don’t think he’ll ever be good enough)
Jackson Jr (as above)

Says it all that so many of our players aren’t good enough.

Think you could add to that to be honest.

Fenty & Day

Preston, Green, Hewitt, Rose, Williams and I'm sorry to say McKeown all need replacing asap. They've had ample games this season to make the standard but in the majority of games have fallen woefully short.

The non league trio that is Gibson, Jackson and Sissay haven't in truth played that much, so while they may not be up to it, I don't think these are the focus to get out the door.

We'll be able to ship out quite a few at the end of the season with a lot of contracts ending but it will be hard to get rid of too many in this window because no one will want them.

I’d let the lot of them go tbh

Perhaps not ‘intercourse off’ as such.
But there’ll be no tears from me if Macca frees up some wages that would be better spent !!

McKeown (pains me saying that)
Hewitt
Clifton
Jackson (,loan)
Gibson (loan)
Preston-send back
Scannell (quality but not sure about attitude)
Green (p!ss poor)
Sisay-release
Bennet- send back

Quoted from ginnywings

We'll be able to ship out quite a few at the end of the season with a lot of contracts ending but it will be hard to get rid of too many in this window because no one will want them.

Pay them up or if they won't accept that separate them from the squad then.

We need a core group that have the necessary attributes for the management team to focus on. What I wouldn't want is for any incoming players to be dragged down to the existing level of effort being shown by some of our current players.

If I'm honest I can't think of one player I would miss.

Had high hopes for Pollock, Wright and Clifton but they all appear to be going backwards in my opinion.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Fenty & Day

And any other current director.

Quoted from forza ivano

Hewitt will always be included in the squad because he's so versatile.
Hendrie has been pretty solid all season, although today he was piisss poor
Rose looked an awful lot more effective today partnering matete. Hurst likes experienced players so i suspect he'll be told that a lot more is expected of him but he will be an almost automatic pick. Think Clifton is destined to be a squad player
I'd say McKeown & Green are the ones under real threat - they are consistently underperforming

the rest I'd agree with

Hewitt was crap today.

Only plays well on the odd occasion.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Pay them up or if they won't accept that separate them from the squad then.

We need a core group that have the necessary attributes for the management team to focus on. What I wouldn't want is for any incoming players to be dragged down to the existing level of effort being shown by some of our current players.

It's easy to say pay them up but have we got cash to chuck around doing that?

Not a cheap option.

Quoted from ginnywings

It's easy to say pay them up but have we got cash to chuck around doing that?

Not a cheap option.

What you do is tell them and more importantly  their agent they won’t be playing, sooner or later they’ll do one.

Quoted from ginnywings

It's easy to say pay them up but have we got cash to chuck around doing that?

Not a cheap option.

Neither is going non league. Pay some off, free up room and salary cap allowances. Then invest in bringing in some who are capable of getting us out of this.

It won’t break us as we are so fantastically ‘well run’ 🧐

Isn't it sad that there isn't a single player I'd be sorry to see leave? Maybe Pollock at a push and Wright and Clifton at least always try but I don't think I've ever felt such nothingness towards a squad.

Hurst is paid the money to make these decisions

He can’t let everyone go, so has to find someone who will try

Surely they can’t all be useless or non trying

There’s a lengthy bloat of players that should never have been here in the first place but the list is longer when you think of who to ship out.

Clifton wouldn’t get a game and would get dogs abuse if he wasn’t local. An example of what we had last time we went down, someone that runs around but in truth brings little to the table.

Perhaps Wright and Pollocks have plateaued due to the loss poor coaching that was happening and the chaotic and clueless leadership from the farmer.

It’s hilarious seeing the few that claimed to never want Hurst suddenly appear after a few games and say he’s as bad.

Hurst watched us but in reality, watching highlights some things but seeing them at training he must’ve have seen just how bad they are.

We really are terrible. If we got rid of all of them nobody would care. Covid aside, I’ve never felt less connected to a team than this bunch...

Quoted from mariner91

Isn't it sad that there isn't a single player I'd be sorry to see leave? Maybe Pollock at a push and Wright and Clifton at least always try but I don't think I've ever felt such nothingness towards a squad.

I’m not taking the urine when I say I agree with you, if the 3 you name above had more experience alongside them then they’d develop to be half decent.

Quoted from mariner91

Isn't it sad that there isn't a single player I'd be sorry to see leave? Maybe Pollock at a push and Wright and Clifton at least always try but I don't think I've ever felt such nothingness towards a squad.

I think Pollock has gone backwards this season. It was poor defending by him for their second today, was the wrong side of their number 9.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I think Pollock has gone backwards this season. It was poor defending by him for their second today, was the wrong side of their number 9.

Looks like he needs to lose some weight and focus on a lot of SAQ work.

All of them they are just about unemployable they best get there cv ready for tesco because non league teams will not be taking many players next season.

i cannot wait for fans in the stadium these players might get a shock.

Hurst.

Where do we go from here ?
What do we have to do to avoid the NL?

Quoted from sydney

Where do we go from here ?
What do we have to do to avoid the NL?

Get better.

Sack em all. After 68 mins we concede 3 goals against Scunny just above us in the league. Cheltenham hang on until 81st min against Man City. Enough said,

We need a big cull.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Looks like he needs to lose some weight and focus on a lot of SAQ work.

I think he's doing FARTLEK training and has just learnt the slow bit . Surely the training team can get his speed up if they know just a little bit

Gonna stick my neck on the line and say Clifton has proved his worth way more than Wright ever has.

Wright gets off lightly because he’s a winger, therefore his play is easier on the eye, but he has only made 16 starts for us.

I don’t want either of them to leave, they both love the club and can be good squad players and still have time to improve. But I do find it odd and a little unfair that Harry gets WAY more criticism than Max, who can do no wrong in the eyes of many.

Quoted from sam gy

Gonna stick my neck on the line and say Clifton has proved his worth way more than Wright ever has.

Wright gets off lightly because he’s a winger, therefore his play is easier on the eye, but he has only made 16 starts for us.

I don’t want either of them to leave, they both love the club and can be good squad players and still have time to improve. But I do find it odd and a little unfair that Harry gets WAY more criticism than Max, who can do no wrong in the eyes of many.

Max can't get a run in the team due mainly to injury. When he gets a chance he so often spoils a lot of good work tracking back, stretching defences and slinging crosses in by petty fouls and silly yellows. If Morais comes back in Max would be better than Preston despite not being a lefty.

Quoted from sam gy

Gonna stick my neck on the line and say Clifton has proved his worth way more than Wright ever has.

Wright gets off lightly because he’s a winger, therefore his play is easier on the eye, but he has only made 16 starts for us.

I don’t want either of them to leave, they both love the club and can be good squad players and still have time to improve. But I do find it odd and a little unfair that Harry gets WAY more criticism than Max, who can do no wrong in the eyes of many.

Neither are very good. Let’s be honest, neither would get anywhere near our 2016 team from non league.

Quoted from sam gy

Gonna stick my neck on the line and say Clifton has proved his worth way more than Wright ever has.

Wright gets off lightly because he’s a winger, therefore his play is easier on the eye, but he has only made 16 starts for us.

I don’t want either of them to leave, they both love the club and can be good squad players and still have time to improve. But I do find it odd and a little unfair that Harry gets WAY more criticism than Max, who can do no wrong in the eyes of many.

because Max does produce and is dangerous.His main fallibility is that he's injury prone, but when he plays he invariably poses a threat. Harry ,unfortunately, does none of that.He works hard and tackles well, but the ability to consistently pass the ball to a team mate seems beyond him.
You only had to look at the performance today from a 19 year old Fleetwood reserve, to realise just how lacking Harry is in the basic skills of the game. He's played 100 games, experienced international under 21 football and been coached in the international set up, yet we have seen very little improvement in distribution, goal scoring threat etc. Indeed i would argue that Spokes is ahead of Harry in the pecking order, because imho he has some strength, a bit of skill, is  a better passer and actually possesses some attacking intent. Pains me to say it but that's how i see it

The chances are none of them are going anywhere until the season ends, so we might as well treat them as though they are the only hope of us climbing up the table because nobody else is going to do it.

Quoted from sam gy

Gonna stick my neck on the line and say Clifton has proved his worth way more than Wright ever has.

Wright gets off lightly because he’s a winger, therefore his play is easier on the eye, but he has only made 16 starts for us.

I don’t want either of them to leave, they both love the club and can be good squad players and still have time to improve. But I do find it odd and a little unfair that Harry gets WAY more criticism than Max, who can do no wrong in the eyes of many.

Of course he will get more criticism, he plays more games.

How many times do we see good promising young players break into the team from the youth team,  do well and then fall away? All the time. In my opinion there is nothing in place at the club to help them progress, no specialised coaches once they leave the youth team. Woods and co do a brilliant job but there is no one then to continue the work. Another example of how far behind as a club we are. The constant changing of managers can not help either. However I would have Pollock, Clifton and Wright in the team all day long at the minute as they care and try, something many of the others blatantly don't. It is important to have that fight at a time like this. Plus remember if we do manage to stay up, we need 2 youth graduates in each match day squad. Hurst has never shown any interest in bringing youth players through, I see no evidence now this will change. So we will need all 3 of them next year (potentially!). Plus I do believe they are all good enough with proper coaching, something hopefully the takeover will bring.

Pains me to say it butmacca has been a major liability this season and needs replacing as first choice urgently.

Green Gibson Jackson  all need replacing with a couple of new strikers. Almost forgot sissay but the fact he struggled at cleethorpes town tells you all you need to know. Obviously he needs to go.

Hanson has such a dreadful injury record that he can't possibly be relied on and, although I'd keep him as back up he needs replacing as a first choice.

Scannell has sometimes played well, but not consistent enough and not available enough so needs replacing as first choice.

Wright can look dangerous, one of our few bright attacking prospects but doesn't effect games enough consistently or score enough. Also too lightweight and injury prone. Could be kept as backup/squad player but needs replacing as a first choice (if you can call him that).

Bennett shows some nice touches but not consistent or up for a fight needs replacing.

Morais has looked our best wide man but now seems to have caught the unavailability bug we have and is probably out for weeks..

Clifton Hewitt spokes are all similar in that they aren't good enough to be a first choice player but we're so shite they often have to be. Squad players really. Clifton narrowly the best at the moment for me. Spokes may be better than him in a year or so tho. Clifton and Hewitt are very versatile which helps their cause to stay.

Williams - don't know what position he plays really and doesn't seem like management know either. Has some skill but very lightweight and a fanny. Practically identical to Tilley really. Free kicks are shite. Neither are players for a relegation battle. Squad level players at league 2 level but only useful if the season is going well and they have confidence.

Preston -started ok but poor now. Should only have been backup for which he would probably have been good enough.
Habergham -looks rusty, hopefully will improve to be good enough that he wouldn't need replacing.

Hendrie - over the last 12 months probably our most consistent player. he has noticeably dipped lately. But that still better than the others. Doesnt need replacing.

Waterfall pollock- ok but too similar to play together. Strong, good in the air, slow. Pollock is at least dangerous at set pieces but is noticeably the poorer of the two playing passes forward. Either could be dropped but 1 should be in the first 11. Have to remember that pollock is still only a teenager tho and young players have dips in form but we've not had any1 as backup. He is still a great prospect.
Idehen- not good enough at the moment but great prospect
Mayonnaise - only just arrived

Matete- quite impressive on his debut. I expect his performance levels to deteriorate to our level given time.

I've probably forgotten a few, they probably need replacing too.

Bennett has apparently done his hamstring so that means he’s been fooked out the door so 1 down . Realistically none of the current squad are good enough footballing wise or mentally which is why we are where we are . I’d happily see the back of every single one of them . Hopefully PH feels the same . Sounds like it from the interview I’ve just listened to .

I’m afraid Hewitt only chance is converting to centre back , he has no attributes at all that a midfielder needs

quote=170]Hewitt will always be included in the squad because he's so versatile.
Hendrie has been pretty solid all season, although today he was piisss poor
Rose looked an awful lot more effective today partnering matete. Hurst likes experienced players so i suspect he'll be told that a lot more is expected of him but he will be an almost automatic pick. Think Clifton is destined to be a squad player
I'd say McKeown & Green are the ones under real threat - they are consistently underperforming

the rest I'd agree with[/quote]

The way am feeling at the moment they can all go except Pollock, Wright and Clifton. At least these 3 give a damn about the club. As Waterfall has signed a new 1 year extension  then i guess hes not going anywhere neither. So for me start the next transfer window with 4 contracted players and start afresh

I give a damn about the club. Doesnt mean im good enough. Clifton can go

Quoted from Hagrid

I give a damn about the club. Doesnt mean im good enough. Clifton can go

In defiance of Max, Harry and Mattie Pollock they have been expected to do the jobs of experienced pro's on far to many occasions, they should have been eased into the side and carefully managed and made to fight really hard for their shirts and evelop their games accordingly.

I feel particularly sorry for Harry Clifton as he's been asked to play so many roles in such a poor side that he should get an Oscar. All of these lads need a strong/experienced player alongside them imagine what Pollock could have learned from Danny Collins, Harry from Dis and Max doubling up with someone like Richard Tait?    

Quoted from HertsGTFC

In defiance of Max, Harry and Mattie Pollock they have been expected to do the jobs of experienced pro's on far to many occasions, they should have been eased into the side and carefully managed and made to fight really hard for their shirts and evelop their games accordingly.

I feel particularly sorry for Harry Clifton as he's been asked to play so many roles in such a poor side that he should get an Oscar. All of these lads need a strong/experienced player alongside them imagine what Pollock could have learned from Danny Collins, Harry from Dis and Max doubling up with someone like Richard Tait?    

Exactly this,  100%. Clifton has probably played more games out his natural position than in it this season. We need him back, not sure how he can get the blame for yesterday when he didn't even play! I would go 3 in the middle from now on- new guy , Rose and Clifton.

Quoted from HarrogateMariner

Exactly this,  100%. Clifton has probably played more games out his natural position than in it this season. We need him back, not sure how he can get the blame for yesterday when he didn't even play! I would go 3 in the middle from now on- new guy , Rose and Clifton.

I don't disagree with your point but that midfield leaves 1 up front (presumably hanson) and I don't see the midfield you mention getting the goals we would then need. Maybe matete but rose certainly not he isn't mobile enough quick enough to be ploughing beyond midfield. Clifton has the legs to do it and is the only 1 of the midfielders to get beyond the striker, but doesn't have the quality to get more than the odd goal.

Could go back to 4-3-3 but that leaves our full backs exposed, habergham would struggle and probably Hendrie too based on recent performances. Not sure it's the get tight defensively and build from there system we probably need.

We might be better accepting we haven't got a great deal of creativity in the middle and go with Clifton and matete in there. Matete has some quality about him. Rely on their energy and winning the ball and hope creativity comes from the wings (Wright, morais, scannell). For me rose doesn't offer enough given his limitations, plus he's a liability in his own box. If we were to have a 3rd one in midfield i would probably go with spokes.

Although to be honest the main thing is to sign new players, hope Hurst is spending all his time on the phone.

To go  Green, Waterfell (Why another years contract) Williams, all the loanees. Spokes, Gibson, Jackson need time. Obviously dump Hanson end of season. Hewitt, Clifton useful squad players, ask Fleetwood how much to buy Matete.

I'm surprised at the criticism of Jackson and Gibson.

Surely neither of them have had sufficient playing time.

Quoted from cannylad68

I'm surprised at the criticism of Jackson and Gibson.

Surely neither of them have had sufficient playing time.

That's because they aren't good enough, not yet anyway, and chances are they never will be. They were brought in to learn and perhaps develop over time into decent players alongside better, more experienced strikers. They are boys being asked to do the job of men and that's not fair on them. They should be no more than bit part players at this stage. It's hard enough for a player to adapt to a higher level in a good side, never mind the poor one we have now. They were supposed to be playing in this mythical development pool of players that IH banged on about. We are GTFC, not Arsenal. I think Hurst will get rid at the first opportunity.

Quoted from cannylad68

I'm surprised at the criticism of Jackson and Gibson.

Surely neither of them have had sufficient playing time.

Not good enough never will be

3 year deals. What the utter intercourse was the clown thinking

Quoted from Hagrid

Not good enough never will be

3 year deals. What the utter intercourse was the clown thinking

It's 3 years for Gibson, 2 for Jackson and 1 for Sissay, but your point stands.

Quoted from ginnywings

It's 3 years for Gibson, 2 for Jackson and 1 for Sissay, but your point stands.

3 years for Gibson that ls the same as bogle got - but the gulf between  them is a chasm. Bogle was immediately one of our best players when  he arrived - Gibson didn't know the offside rule.

Quoted from ginnywings

It's 3 years for Gibson, 2 for Jackson and 1 for Sissay, but your point stands.

3 years for Gibson that ls the same as bogle got - but the gulf between  them is a chasm. Bogle was immediately one of our best players when  he arrived - Gibson didn't know the offside rule.

Him and jackson are not particularly young either- 23. So unlikely to progress much at all.

Quoted from cannylad68

I'm surprised at the criticism of Jackson and Gibson.

Surely neither of them have had sufficient playing time.

They are quickly becoming players that get better, the more they sit on the bench...

I’d keep Spokes and Jackson as they both have a bit of potential to work on . Tbf to Jackson he didn’t want to go full time so he could complete his university course. I don’t think the problem lies with the young lads anyway . It’s the so called experienced pros who are .

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Fenty & Day

I disagree.

Fenty, Day and Marley.

What the hell is this love in with Jackson Jnr? Headless chicken. The lad's clueless. Saying this player and that player should fook off and then be soft as shite about him. We've played just over half a season without a single competent League Two striker. Not one, what chance have we got of winning games? And what chance have we got in pinning our hopes up front on an injury prone statue of a striker? But that's all we've got at the minute. We play with Hanson up top on his own, the balls into him need to be so accurate because he can offer nothing else other than directly to his feet and chest or for him to head the ball on. His lack of movement cuts down the options and angles of passing to him. You can't play it down the sides of defenders because he can't get there, you can't play it into space because he can't get there in front of the defender. Hanson offers one option of pass and his markers know that so he's easy to mark and for our players harder to pass to. So Hanson needs a partner and we've got a player in Green that's so bereft of confidence that he's like a comedy character who the ball bounces off all of the time no matter how hard he tries and just runs slowly into opposing players to give away countless free kicks, a headless chicken in Ira and Gibson who is further down the pecking order than the other two. Fix our forward line with one or two competent forwards who have a little pace, (we may have to gamble cost wise on a couple of talented mobile youth from higher up the pyramid), and it may improve our teamplay immeasurably..

Some of the players mentioned on this thread are a lot better than some people think. Continually in and out of the side, moved from position to position, different team mates every game and when they come in the rest of the team is short on confidence or they're brought on as subs when the game is gone on a shitheap of a pitch or even recovering from injuries and not up to match speed, and then they're out of the team again and rinse and repeat..

Hopefully Hurst can add two or three more in the right areas of the pitch to give all of our players a lift and we can get a more settled side together..

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

I’d keep Spokes and Jackson as they both have a bit of potential to work on . Tbf to Jackson he didn’t want to go full time so he could complete his university course. I don’t think the problem lies with the young lads anyway . It’s the so called experienced pros who are .

Agreed. Jackson and Spokes combined have made about half the starts Rose has. While they appear unlikely to be the solution to our problems, their also not really the problem.  The senior so called pros in our squad are a complete shambles.

Don't worry the Shop is coming to save us

ps was referring to morais as the 35 year old  who hasn't played for a year

Quoted from forza ivano

Don't worry the Shop is coming to save us

ps was referring to morais as the 35 year old  who hasn't played for a year

I realise that now forza, sorry pal 😅