Support our players taking the knee?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

That tells me all I need to know, sadly. Underage girls are being raped, systematically and brutally all over the land, and you cannot even lay the blame on the rapists, but prefer to talk in jargon.

All our jobs involve jargon, but we are talking about a very simple point. The only people to blame who rape underage girls are the evil people who carry it out.

I don’t think anyone is arguing against that notion, however, having worked for years with victims of CSE as well as perpetrators and part of that wider system, believe me, the system has to carry some of the blame.

Mountains of evidence and incompetent practice were ‘lost’, again, through gross misconduct.

So whilst the social care system isn’t directly carrying out the heinous acts, it very much ignored it. Did for many years so in my book that’s equally as bad as the people doing it. Systems induce trauma as much as perpetrators. It happened for far too long and the people shouting about it from within were downtrodden, kicked back or forced out.

Having spoken with victims, particularly to the woman who wrote Child A about the Rochdale grooming scandal, and the lady who wrote the book about Rotherham, they hold both in as much contempt. They speak very honestly and openly and provide some excellent insight.

Quoted from friskneymariner

25 years as a frontline social worker in Children's Service all the paedophiles I dealt with were exclusively white males.

if you had lived and worked in Rochdale, that would be different.

To start using the competence or otherwise of child protection services is simply a distraction technique. The fact remains that girls were treated as chattel, raped and racially abused.  The original point stands. BLM, a protest about the killing of a US black male, is the subject of a legitimate protest in UK football grounds, but racially aggravated crime committed in the UK against vulnerable white girls is not. I think the man from Mars trying to understand the human race would struggle withe the logic of that.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I can't believe this has been moved to non football.
It's the most topical football story at the moment, on the news, in the papers on question time.
How the hell can one of the most divisive football subjects be non football?

When people who claim they’re not racist start ranting about asian rape gangs on a football forum, maybe?

Quoted from LH

When people who claim they’re not racist start ranting about asian rape gangs on a football forum, maybe?

Since when did pointing out illogicality become a rant? What is sauce for the goose applies here. If you think that is irrelevant on a football forum then surely the BLM protest would be irrelevant on a football pitch?

We have to think these things through. I don’t think either issue is relevant to football but if one is, they both are.

Quoted from aldi_01

I don’t think anyone is arguing against that notion, however, having worked for years with victims of CSE as well as perpetrators and part of that wider system, believe me, the system has to carry some of the blame.

Mountains of evidence and incompetent practice were ‘lost’, again, through gross misconduct.

So whilst the social care system isn’t directly carrying out the heinous acts, it very much ignored it. Did for many years so in my book that’s equally as bad as the people doing it. Systems induce trauma as much as perpetrators. It happened for far too long and the people shouting about it from within were downtrodden, kicked back or forced out.

Having spoken with victims, particularly to the woman who wrote Child A about the Rochdale grooming scandal, and the lady who wrote the book about Rotherham, they hold both in as much contempt. They speak very honestly and openly and provide some excellent insight.

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Never try to reason with bigots

Quoted from friskneymariner

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Never try to reason with bigots

“reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired.”

Quoted from friskneymariner

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Never try to reason with bigots

Call them names instead? Very helpful.

I worked in the West Riding for some years in the 70s and saw at first hand the attitudes and incompetences Aldi refers to. The irony was that they were done in the name of multiculturalism and involved actually encouraging cultural differences and ignoring any that did not concur with the British way of life. I have mentioned before on another thread how Ray Honeyford was hounded out of his job as a headteacher for daring to point out the consequences. Those consequences included allowing “community leaders” to run virtual fiefdoms in areas like Kirklees and Rochdale.

I have no time for the far right, this is not a political issue in that way. The girls that suffered after this abrogation of responsibility were not raped and pimped by the police or the social workers. The care homes were not brothels. This was all down to the cultural mores of Asian males who were protected for years. Aldi may wish to consider why files and documents went missing. Not incompetence, deliberate obfuscation.

Now, to my mind at least this is at least as important an issue for British society as BLM. It is a travesty that we have threads discussing a protest from one organisation, saying its protest trumps all others and is the primary measure of a person’s anti-racism in our country. That is wrong, illogical and to be honest it is unbelievably ignorant when we have had generations of girls being abused and authorities were aware of the identity of the perpetrators. There is nothing wrong in doing a BLM protest but let’s not pretend it is something it isn’t and let’s not use it as some sort of moral battering ram at the expense of other racial issues..

Harold Shipman'. Fred West, James Hamilton, Brady, Ian Huntley all white therefore, all white men are serial killers eh?

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Call them names instead? Very helpful.

I worked in the West Riding for some years in the 70s and saw at first hand the attitudes and incompetences Aldi refers to. The irony was that they were done in the name of multiculturalism and involved actually encouraging cultural differences and ignoring any that did not concur with the British way of life. I have mentioned before on another thread how Ray Honeyford was hounded out of his job as a headteacher for daring to point out the consequences. Those consequences included allowing “community leaders” to run virtual fiefdoms in areas like Kirklees and Rochdale.

I have no time for the far right, this is not a political issue in that way. The girls that suffered after this abrogation of responsibility were not raped and pimped by the police or the social workers. The care homes were not brothels. This was all down to the cultural mores of Asian males who were protected for years. Aldi may wish to consider why files and documents went missing. Not incompetence, deliberate obfuscation.

Now, to my mind at least this is at least as important an issue for British society as BLM. It is a travesty that we have threads discussing a protest from one organisation, saying its protest trumps all others and is the primary measure of a person’s anti-racism in our country. That is wrong, illogical and to be honest it is unbelievably ignorant when we have had generations of girls being abused and authorities were aware of the identity of the perpetrators. There is nothing wrong in doing a BLM protest but let’s not pretend it is something it isn’t and let’s not use it as some sort of moral battering ram at the expense of other racial issues..

How have you arrived at a link for the two things?
A protest against systemic racism and paedophile grooming gangs.
It’s Olympic standard whataboutery!

Quoted from headingly_mariner

How have you arrived at a link for the two things?
A protest against systemic racism and paedophile grooming gangs.
It’s Olympic standard whataboutery!

I didn’t personally arrive at a link, I was attempting to answer other posts on the subject. However, there is a fairly obvious comparison to be made is there not?