Leagues 1 and 2 salary cap proposed - plus B-Teams

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597

"Third-tier sides would be given a £2.5m ceiling for salaries, while the sum would be £1.25m for the fourth tier.

The plan, as reported in the Telegraph newspaper, would also see clubs given automatic points deductions if players are not paid on time. The EFL hopes to have the cap in place for the 2020-21 season.

Meanwhile, clubs would be given a vote on the introduction of maximum 20-man squads.  If approved, it would mean only 20 senior professionals at each club, with eight homegrown players - those produced from the club's academy system - within that group."


https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....-lower-league-crisis

"Some in executive positions at Premier League clubs have seen [an opportunity]. It is a reprise of an idea that Greg Dyke, in his then-role as the Football Association chairman, advanced in 2014. Could top-flight clubs develop mutually beneficial partnerships with those in the lower divisions? Or could they set up B teams in, say, League Two for their under-23s?

The Guardian understands the notions were raised during a recent conference call of an influential football working group comprising representatives of a handful of clubs plus the FA, Premier League and English Football League.

Dyke’s goal had been to improve the prospects of young English players and he set out three options: strategic loan partnerships between Premier League clubs and those further down; partnerships that were more all-encompassing; and B teams, broadly along the lines of the Spanish model.

Some Premier League executives now want to try again. They can see that clubs in League One and, particularly, League Two are facing oblivion but, in a life-or-death situation, they reason that the choice would surely be life – even with conditions attached. The opportunism is jarring, unpalatable. Welcome to capitalism."


On the salary cap: surely it is inevitable and necessary for the viability of L1/2.  On B-teams: they were always going to use the chaos to create another opportunity, weren't they?  If it fails again this time, surely it kills the idea for another 50 years.

Don't agree with across the board unilateral cap.  should be %ge of registered income.  Max squad of 20, yup I can go with that, of which 8 home grown, mmm, agree with giving home grown players a chance, but I think that's a bit high.
B teams in lge 2,  NO.  Let them have there own league, or let U23s go out on loan.
If a 20-23 yo is not knocking on the first team door then he's at the wrong club.

B teams can do one.
should be squad of 25 with 5 of them being youth upto 19 being from  within 20 miles of the club.

Couldnt give comment on salary cap as always ways to get round them.

A lot of Grimsbys best teams have had home grown in, plenty of players in the area that would not look out of place in the team, maybe just need a bit of discipline

Crikey....

According to Codalmighty/recent threads; We have;  Macca, Russell, Battersby, Hendrie, Hewitt, Pollock, Ohman, Waterfall, Clifton, Tilley, Hanson, vernam if extended, Green 13 under contract, just 3 homegrown.

So, maybe a couple more will get new deals; Hessenthaler, Clarke, Wright?, and some of the young prospects who might be outside the 20...... then we'll see who Ollie wants to fill the squad with.

Wonder how loans fit in...

The EFL should stop trying to ruin our game.

1.25m playing budget for League Two is a joke. Clubs will be able to pay that out without any fuss at all. Our turnover is around 5mill and our budget is around 2mill. What's wrong with that? No need to attract fans in the future, no need to attract young fans so customer service will drop, Facilitiies will fall by the wayside because the clubs won't have to try and market their product and extra funds from cup runs will become irrelevant. Standard of football will drop as the best and most promising League Two players will be happy sitting in reserve teams higher up the ladder or there will be a flood of players looking to ply their trade abroad or even Scotland and non-league to earn better wages FFS.  League Two will become a pinchpoint for mediocrity.. and as for League One.. Why should Portsmouth be only allowed to pay the same wages as Rochdale? What happens to their excess income? Just sitting in the bank or owners ending up pocketing money off the fans? Can see it when this hasn't worked in five years time. We'll have a players draft like the NFL. Football League clubs are unique and different in size and support. It'll be another part of the individuality and beauty of the game gone.. through panic and the EFL's poor governance.

Existing FFP rules need tightening up and offenders properly punished. Salary caps will be the end of English football as we know it.. and not for the better.

Are the likes of Rose counted as home grown as he has come through the academy.?

I don't get that argument Bigdog.  Limiting expenditure per income deepens inequality between clubs, creates multiple sub-tiers within leagues and has led to farcical off-field legal issues and myriad points deductions.  It cements clubs 'in their place' and limits aspiration.  Higher-revenue clubs will always have an advantage; there'd be no way for anyone else to join the party.  Should we have to accept that our club will always be around tier 4/5?  

Conversely, we can't also have a financial free-for-all.  This is why clubs risk selling out to inappropriate owners in an attempt to compete at a higher level.  It enables huge investment to be piled into select clubs, accelerating the cycle of never-ending hyperinflation.  

It isn't perfect, but I can only see a hard spending cap going some way to steering football through the recession and rectifying the game's chronic unfairness.  £1.25M is still plenty to keep our level professional, although it's possible the standard may not progress like it has.  

Just imagine this.  Rather than everyone's average league position being determined by their financial clout, what if it was determined more by their ability to nurture local talent?  What if Grimsby Town vs Scunthorpe United was more of a competition between people from Grimsby and Scunthorpe, rather than just a collection of L2 footballers against another collection of L2 footballers?  What if anyone could realistically win something?  

Maybe I'm just too much of a young idealist to see reality.

Quoted from ex-merseymariner

Crikey....

According to Codalmighty/recent threads; We have;  Macca, Russell, Battersby, Hendrie, Hewitt, Pollock, Ohman, Waterfall, Clifton, Tilley, Hanson, vernam if extended, Green 13 under contract, just 3 homegrown.

So, maybe a couple more will get new deals; Hessenthaler, Clarke, Wright?, and some of the young prospects who might be outside the 20...... then we'll see who Ollie wants to fill the squad with.

Wonder how loans fit in...

I would have expected that some on deals that last for next season may well be released with a pay-off to allow IH to bring in more of his own players.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I would have expected that some on deals that last for next season may well be released with a pay-off to allow IH to bring in more of his own players.

but IH may well want to keep most of those, unless you are thinking of someone who is not currently in the country, or someone who he may be thinking, i'd prefer Billy Clarke

What is home grown? Like anything to do with the EFL, it’s clear as mud.

If they’re saying kids have to be from an area within, say, 30 miles away then so many teams are bollocksed and I’d imagine standards to drop.

Does home grown mean must be English? Does it mean must have come through the youth system? With silly ideas like this the two greatest players of the last 10/15 years wouldn’t count...8 is far too many, forcing teams to play home grown talent isn’t a way to move the game forward.

B Teams...enough said the better. Why should lower leagues suffer because top flight clubs sign players they don’t need. Perhaps if a lad with zero chance of a first team game wasn’t being paid 15k a week, then they’d take their talent further down the leagues, thus negating the need for ridiculous B teams.

Salary caps are an odd one, they need to be well thought out else, as with happened in the egg chucking, folks copulated off abroad...although I am aware it’s more complex than that.

I mean we all knew they’d use this down time in the game to discuss pointless things...

Quoted from ex-merseymariner

but IH may well want to keep most of those, unless you are thinking of someone who is not currently in the country, or someone who he may be thinking, i'd prefer Billy Clarke

Well for example, I don't think Ohman was flavour of the month in his last few games, Green didn't really do himself justice and hardly looked like scoring a goal, I couldn't say Hewitt had a great season although he did play well in his last couple of games, he was only really first choice when we had injuries.

Hanson must be one of if not the highest paid player and he had serious injury problems in the second half of what season we had.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597

"Third-tier sides would be given a £2.5m ceiling for salaries, while the sum would be £1.25m for the fourth tier.

The plan, as reported in the Telegraph newspaper, would also see clubs given automatic points deductions if players are not paid on time. The EFL hopes to have the cap in place for the 2020-21 season.

Meanwhile, clubs would be given a vote on the introduction of maximum 20-man squads.  If approved, it would mean only 20 senior professionals at each club, with eight homegrown players - those produced from the club's academy system - within that group."


https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....-lower-league-crisis

"Some in executive positions at Premier League clubs have seen [an opportunity]. It is a reprise of an idea that Greg Dyke, in his then-role as the Football Association chairman, advanced in 2014. Could top-flight clubs develop mutually beneficial partnerships with those in the lower divisions? Or could they set up B teams in, say, League Two for their under-23s?

The Guardian understands the notions were raised during a recent conference call of an influential football working group comprising representatives of a handful of clubs plus the FA, Premier League and English Football League.

Dyke’s goal had been to improve the prospects of young English players and he set out three options: strategic loan partnerships between Premier League clubs and those further down; partnerships that were more all-encompassing; and B teams, broadly along the lines of the Spanish model.

Some Premier League executives now want to try again. They can see that clubs in League One and, particularly, League Two are facing oblivion but, in a life-or-death situation, they reason that the choice would surely be life – even with conditions attached. The opportunism is jarring, unpalatable. Welcome to capitalism."


On the salary cap: surely it is inevitable and necessary for the viability of L1/2.  On B-teams: they were always going to use the chaos to create another opportunity, weren't they?  If it fails again this time, surely it kills the idea for another 50 years.

More from the Guardian :-

The more extreme end of any partnerships would appear hard to achieve – in other words, a Premier League club effectively taking over an ailing one in League Two and rebranding it as theirs. But there could be a middle ground, particularly in terms of player loans.

What would a wider club partnership look like? Those in favour say the Premier League club could send coaches in addition to players to the other; they could share resources on marketing, programme printing and catering, among other things. The lower-league partner could be granted the use of the Premier League club’s training facilities and even their stadium.

Not sure how Premiership B teams could be added to League 2 without getting rid of some of the current teams.

Linking with a Premiership club for loan players, I don't see a problem with that as that is what we effectively did last season with Burnley and that worked out quite well.

Re-branding a current League 2 club as effectively Burnley Reserves would get a big no from me. It would mean many current EFL players ending up on the scrap heap, probably management teams coming in to run the club in the way the parent club wants would possibly mean the likes of IH popping down to the job centre.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

I don't get that argument Bigdog.  Limiting expenditure per income deepens inequality between clubs, creates multiple sub-tiers within leagues and has led to farcical off-field legal issues and myriad points deductions.  It cements clubs 'in their place' and limits aspiration.  Higher-revenue clubs will always have an advantage; there'd be no way for anyone else to join the party.  Should we have to accept that our club will always be around tier 4/5?  

Conversely, we can't also have a financial free-for-all.  This is why clubs risk selling out to inappropriate owners in an attempt to compete at a higher level.  It enables huge investment to be piled into select clubs, accelerating the cycle of never-ending hyperinflation.  

It isn't perfect, but I can only see a hard spending cap going some way to steering football through the recession and rectifying the game's chronic unfairness.  £1.25M is still plenty to keep our level professional, although it's possible the standard may not progress like it has.  

Just imagine this.  Rather than everyone's average league position being determined by their financial clout, what if it was determined more by their ability to nurture local talent?  What if Grimsby Town vs Scunthorpe United was more of a competition between people from Grimsby and Scunthorpe, rather than just a collection of L2 footballers against another collection of L2 footballers?  What if anyone could realistically win something?  

Maybe I'm just too much of a young idealist to see reality.

I think so mate..

You've just described the Socialist Worker Party's blueprint for football, every club exactly the same, expecting players to fall into line and not get picked up by other clubs who can offer more than their local salary-capped club and also ignoring other outside market forces beyond League One and League Two. And if the majority had to be homegrown then surely your plan would be flawed as clubs in higher population areas would have an unfair advantage..

As I've said before.. we've already got strict financial rules, FFP, but the EFL don't apply them as strictly as they should. Weed out the wrongdoers, don't punish everyone else. So what are they proposing? Yet more rules which they won't punish the wrongdoers for and the cycle continues ad nauseum until no-one's bothered about their local team or even football anymore..

There will be ways for clubs with a higher income to circumvent the wage cap rules like signing on fees , fees to agents that get paid later to players etc etc etc . A wage cap is a good idea in principle but always open to manipulation. Personally i think if it stops clubs overspending on wages then it’s got to be a good idea .

If Town agreed to prem b teams joining L2 I’d never watch GTFC again . Simple .

If Sunderland have a crap season and finish in league 2 they can only spend £1.25 million on players, but just suppose they start of with 5 straight wins and absolutely look world beaters, their home support averages 45k, what do they do with all that extra money from this season, put it in a building society for a rainy day.

Also, we become Liverpool Mariners, we borrow 3/4 young lads and over the next 4/5 seasons we find ourselves in the premiership, what happens when we play Liverpool?

Quoted from Gaffer58

If Sunderland have a crap season and finish in league 2 they can only spend £1.25 million on players, but just suppose they start of with 5 straight wins and absolutely look world beaters, their home support averages 45k, what do they do with all that extra money from this season, put it in a building society for a rainy day.

When they get promoted to L1 they spend more on wages ... get promoted to championship spend more on wages .... sustained spending with promotions

Quoted from Gaffer58

Also, we become Liverpool Mariners, we borrow 3/4 young lads and over the next 4/5 seasons we find ourselves in the premiership, what happens when we play Liverpool?

I'd guess that, like in Spain, we wouldn't be allowed to reach their level. That would also mean that if they got relegated into our league, we'd go down too, regardless of our own position!

Utter nonsense of an idea that's only real benefit seems to be so big clubs can stockpile players. And with a B team they'll probably sign even more, leading to a 2030 drive (lead by FA Football Experience Journey Calibrator Danny Mills) for C teams.

I'd rather watch a reformed AFC Grimsby play in the NCEL than watch a GTFC in League 2 that's a B team for someone else.

Quoted from Gaffer58

If Sunderland have a crap season and finish in league 2 they can only spend £1.25 million on players, but just suppose they start of with 5 straight wins and absolutely look world beaters, their home support averages 45k, what do they do with all that extra money from this season, put it in a building society for a rainy day.

You obviously haven't been following the goings-on at Sunderland recently.

The money would undoubtedly not be used for the benefit of the football club
and its supporters.

So, let's get this straight. If these proposals come to fruition, we will be "allowed" to have 20 players, 8 of whom have to be academy products, whether they are good enough for first team football or not, and we will only be allowed 1.25 million to spend. The Premier league will carry on merrily having squads of up to 80, and have individual players "earning" upwards of 1.25 million a month.

Right there is the problem in a nutshell- the vast chasm that exists between the divisions in terms of wealth and resources. It's clearly a case of do as i say, not as i do. This is what happens in all walks of life when certain sections are allowed to become too powerful, too wealthy and bloated to the point of arrogance. Someone has to keep feeding the beast, and they are eyeing us up as their next tasty morsel.

If we become some backwater outpost for servicing the great and good, then i will be finding something else to do with my weekends.

Gaffer 58, Sunderland always have a crap season, with delusions of promotion each season.

There is a relevant point here.  With very high gates they can afford to have a big squad, with some very high-earners. What happens if they got relegated to Div 2?  

They might have top-earners on 2 year contracts.  With no release clauses.  Their players costs could be £5M or even £10 million.  This would not sit well with a meagre Div 2 salary cap.

TBF  £1.25m across 20 players is £62,500 pa on average. any younger players from the academy will be on less, which pushes up the pot for the more established players

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Gaffer 58, Sunderland always have a crap season, with delusions of promotion each season.

There is a relevant point here.  With very high gates they can afford to have a big squad, with some very high-earners. What happens if they got relegated to Div 2?  

They might have top-earners on 2 year contracts.  With no release clauses.  Their players costs could be £5M or even £10 million.  This would not sit well with a meagre Div 2 salary cap.

Surely teams like Sunderland have been burned already by lack of suitable release/relegation/reduction clauses.   If something like that happens, then the salary cap is a device to prevent it from happening, not the other way round, you saying, we can't have a salary cap in case clubs are stupid and spend all their money on overpaid players.  You have it back to front!  If their players don't perform, they should take steps to make sure those players aren't well paid.

The whole point of the salary cap is to increase fairness, and to stop the likes of Salford and Forest Green buying success like Franchise Scum and others have before.

Agree with the salary cap.....

Love to see them try B Teams....that would kill the game, so go ahead and try it.  

Quoted from Boris Johnson

Agree with the salary cap.....

Love to see them try B Teams....that would kill the game, so go ahead and try it.  

Do you really think the premiership give a fig for league 1 and 2, even the various tv stations are 99% focused on the premiership, some foreign owners would love a closed shop With no relegation, as per American sport, then they can be crap and have no repercussions.

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

TBF  £1.25m across 20 players is £62,500 pa on average. any younger players from the academy will be on less, which pushes up the pot for the more established players

Our current budget across 24ish players is around 2m give or take. Whichever way you look at it, a budget of 1.25mill can only ensure that we'll have worse players and watch worse football if the salary cap is enforced..

Quoted from Boris Johnson

Agree with the salary cap.....

Love to see them try B Teams....that would kill the game, so go ahead and try it.  

I'm fairly confident 99.9% of lower league clubs and fans oppose the concept of B teams (myself vehemently included), but here's the issue...

In the past when this idea has been proposed, it's been given short shrift simply because lower league clubs had a choice. What about now though? As we stand, spectators cannot attend matches and no spectators = no gate receipts. For as long as that remains the case, clubs like town will lose in the region of 80% of their revenue, whilst having to reinstate players and staff from furlough in order to stage matches. What that ultimately means is that football at this level is currently completely unviable.

It is certainly not inconceivable that the banning of mass gatherings will last for another year (or more), in effect making it impossible for the 20/21 season to take place. That is, without some financial aid.

Realistically, I imagine that League Two alone requires a package of £20m - £30m to get next season back on behind closed doors (to cover the basic costs of running a club plus the added cost of testing etc.). League One may need double that. Let's not forget that non-league didn't stop existing four years ago either.

Where is that kind of money going to come from? As important as football is to us all, there will be many businesses and institutions higher up the pecking order than us when it comes to the hand out of financial support.

The football family is going to have to feed itself, which is a worry when you look at who the breadwinners are. The Premier League itself is hurting right now; we shouldn't expect showered with unconditional altruism. If, and even that is a big if, they are compelled to come to the aid of lower league football, it will come heavily tainted with a "what's in this for me" mentality.

Would it be morally abhorrent for them to treat this crisis as an opportunity to force through an agenda they've wanted for some time, but have been held back by those who still see football as a valuable community asset steeped in tradition and not just a stepping stone to financial fortune? Absolutely. Do you think they give a fúck? Absolutely not.

So that's the kicker - the narrative has changed. It's no longer a question of "do you want B teams?", but rather "what would you prefer: B teams, or oblivion". And that's a whole different question...

Quoted from Poojah

I'm fairly confident 99.9% of lower league clubs and fans oppose the concept of B teams (myself vehemently included), but here's the issue...

In the past when this idea has been proposed, it's been given short shrift simply because lower league clubs had a choice. What about now though? As we stand, spectators cannot attend matches and no spectators = no gate receipts. For as long as that remains the case, clubs like town will lose in the region of 80% of their revenue, whilst having to reinstate players and staff from furlough in order to stage matches. What that ultimately means is that football at this level is currently completely unviable.

It is certainly not inconceivable that the banning of mass gatherings will last for another year (or more), in effect making it impossible for the 20/21 season to take place. That is, without some financial aid.

Realistically, I imagine that League Two alone requires a package of £20m - £30m to get next season back on behind closed doors (to cover the basic costs of running a club plus the added cost of testing etc.). League One may need double that. Let's not forget that non-league didn't stop existing four years ago either.

Where is that kind of money going to come from? As important as football is to us all, there will be many businesses and institutions higher up the pecking order than us when it comes to the hand out of financial support.

The football family is going to have to feed itself, which is a worry when you look at who the breadwinners are. The Premier League itself is hurting right now; we shouldn't expect showered with unconditional altruism. If, and even that is a big if, they are compelled to come to the aid of lower league football, it will come heavily tainted with a "what's in this for me" mentality.

Would it be morally abhorrent for them to treat this crisis as an opportunity to force through an agenda they've wanted for some time, but have been held back by those who still see football as a valuable community asset steeped in tradition and not just a stepping stone to financial fortune? Absolutely. Do you think they give a fúck? Absolutely not.

So that's the kicker - the narrative has changed. It's no longer a question of "do you want B teams?", but rather "what would you prefer: B teams, or oblivion". And that's a whole different question...

I don't think it's definitive that they will require b teams. Maybe they will but it's not definite. If they did where would they go? 20 teams would have to be removed  to make room for them. Then the choice becomes possible part-time / possible oblivion without b teams  vs definite nonleague for many teams if they do vote for it. So even then it's a difficult sell.

Quoted from Poojah

I'm fairly confident 99.9% of lower league clubs and fans oppose the concept of B teams (myself vehemently included), but here's the issue...

In the past when this idea has been proposed, it's been given short shrift simply because lower league clubs had a choice. What about now though? As we stand, spectators cannot attend matches and no spectators = no gate receipts. For as long as that remains the case, clubs like town will lose in the region of 80% of their revenue, whilst having to reinstate players and staff from furlough in order to stage matches. What that ultimately means is that football at this level is currently completely unviable.

It is certainly not inconceivable that the banning of mass gatherings will last for another year (or more), in effect making it impossible for the 20/21 season to take place. That is, without some financial aid.

Realistically, I imagine that League Two alone requires a package of £20m - £30m to get next season back on behind closed doors (to cover the basic costs of running a club plus the added cost of testing etc.). League One may need double that. Let's not forget that non-league didn't stop existing four years ago either.

Where is that kind of money going to come from? As important as football is to us all, there will be many businesses and institutions higher up the pecking order than us when it comes to the hand out of financial support.

The football family is going to have to feed itself, which is a worry when you look at who the breadwinners are. The Premier League itself is hurting right now; we shouldn't expect showered with unconditional altruism. If, and even that is a big if, they are compelled to come to the aid of lower league football, it will come heavily tainted with a "what's in this for me" mentality.

Would it be morally abhorrent for them to treat this crisis as an opportunity to force through an agenda they've wanted for some time, but have been held back by those who still see football as a valuable community asset steeped in tradition and not just a stepping stone to financial fortune? Absolutely. Do you think they give a fúck? Absolutely not.

So that's the kicker - the narrative has changed. It's no longer a question of "do you want B teams?", but rather "what would you prefer: B teams, or oblivion". And that's a whole different question...

I don't think it's definitive that they will require b teams. Maybe they will but it's not definite. If they did where would they go? 20 teams would have to be removed  to make room for them. Then the choice becomes possible part-time / possible oblivion without b teams  vs definite nonleague for many teams if they do vote for it. So even then it's a difficult sell.

The financial guy on The Price Of Football podcast sort of hinted he’d heard that L1&2 could go into hibernation for next season until crowds are allowed back in . Personally I’d take that to ensure the league system carries on normally instead of some bull.shite behind closed doors bo.llocks .

An article this morning on the financial hardships clubs and players are going to face. This will give the richer clubs in the Prem leverage to get their own way. It may be a case of taking on board these proposals or going to the wall. The proverbial rock and a hard place.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52680375

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Don't agree with across the board unilateral cap.  should be %ge of registered income.  Max squad of 20, yup I can go with that, of which 8 home grown, mmm, agree with giving home grown players a chance, but I think that's a bit high.
B teams in lge 2,  NO.  Let them have there own league, or let U23s go out on loan.
If a 20-23 yo is not knocking on the first team door then he's at the wrong club.

Summed up perfectly.

If a club sells a couple of players for £2million what happens to this money if they can't spend it and don't have any debt

Quoted from golfer

If a club sells a couple of players for £2million what happens to this money if they can't spend it and don't have any debt

Good example golfer . Well if I was the chairman I’d spend it on a new training facility to grow more young talent and give the first team better facilities.

Quoted from golfer

If a club sells a couple of players for £2million what happens to this money if they can't spend it and don't have any debt

Do what Exeter did and bank it for a rainy day. They are going to get through this crisis because of their financial model. They are fan owned too.

Quoted from Bigdog

I think so mate..

You've just described the Socialist Worker Party's blueprint for football, every club exactly the same, expecting players to fall into line and not get picked up by other clubs who can offer more than their local salary-capped club and also ignoring other outside market forces beyond League One and League Two. And if the majority had to be homegrown then surely your plan would be flawed as clubs in higher population areas would have an unfair advantage..

As I've said before.. we've already got strict financial rules, FFP, but the EFL don't apply them as strictly as they should. Weed out the wrongdoers, don't punish everyone else. So what are they proposing? Yet more rules which they won't punish the wrongdoers for and the cycle continues ad nauseum until no-one's bothered about their local team or even football anymore..

Wouldn't dare admit sympathy for their ideas on here!

I don't see how every club would be the same?  Isn't that what we have now?  Pretty much everyone signs the same players who journey round several clubs until they retire.  With a spending restriction I would argue that clubs would have more of a distinct identity.  

Your point about metropolitan clubs is a fair criticism, and I don't think clubs should be compelled to sign players from their own catchment area, more that the system should encourage them to promote youth from anywhere, particularly talent from non-league.  This model would serve the lower-leagues well if that sort of player could turn a healthy profit, money which can be reinvested into infrastructure which, we would surely agree, is in dire need of improvement at our level.

I think if a player is sold for 2 mill this will not be available for the budget until the following season.  I think there was a rule change about this, but i could be wide of the mark.

Wouldn't this go down as profit- therefore 19% or whatever would have to be paid in tax ?

Quoted from golfer

Wouldn't this go down as profit- therefore 19% or whatever would have to be paid in tax ?

Not being an expert, but I think this is why clubs that do get a financial windfall in the January window also go out and spend so that their tax bill is not as high.

Rangers proposing B teams in Scotland, already with backing from Celtic. They are using the "helping vulnerable teams" reasoning to put this idea forward, offering financial incentives.

I fear something similar will appear in England soon enough.

Quoted from ginnywings

Rangers proposing B teams in Scotland, already with backing from Celtic. They are using the "helping vulnerable teams" reasoning to put this idea forward, offering financial incentives.

I fear something similar will appear in England soon enough.

I find it disgraceful that the big clubs are trying this on and exploiting the current situation.

As far as I am concerned, there is no such thing as a Premier League club. I tried to explain this, and the whole idea of promotion and relegation, to an American once, as she was shocked that i did not support “a Premier League team”. There is no such thing - it just so happens that my team, along with 70 others, has the goal of getting there one day.

People forget that Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City have spent time out of the top flight. What a shame that money has probably guaranteed this may never happen again.

This has been my fear all along. This current climate is certainly gonna be seen as an opportunity to push this agenda once more.

Only 6 teams have spent every season in the premier league. The reason our league system works is because of promotion/relegation. I guess you could argue that if it were like the NFL and unless you go bankrupt there is no promotion, that could stop teams like Derby etc spending as much as top flight clubs to constantly try and get there...but then that just makes it boring I guess.

Aside from a few clubs, we already have a large amount of teams that are unsustainable and live on a financial knife edge, including tip fight teams. I’m not sure having a B team makes them anymore sustainable. Perhaps a simpler way is to look at how many players can be signed for any one club. This may mean less people receive professional contracts but so be it.

It’s bizarre, the whole B team thing just doesn’t make any sense. They’ve had them on the continent for years but that doesn’t mean it’s improved the game or anything like that. A quick google search indicates that Barcelona B average 1600 for home games, as opposed to the actual Barcelona team who average 70’000 plus...so there’s clearly little interest and it’s not as if they’re picking up fans that can’t get tickets. Is that what the folk here are expecting? It’s not like Messi goes to play for them when he’s coming back from injury, they’re an actual team in a league, not a reserve team.

I just can’t see the reason to add even more teams to an already compact and large pyramid with professional clubs, many with financial difficulties or in large debt.

Naturally the EFL will think it’s a financial opportunity, clubs will think it’ll attract more fans and so forth. As our own club initially thought...then nobody turned up or was arsed they changed their tune.

Some people might argue different but I just can’t see any reason for the implementation of B teams ever. They’d actually do better residing the profile of the under 23s premier league if they’re that arsed.

The link to the story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

If all the Premiership teams wanted a 'B' team, where would they all go? In a new League 3 or replace current League 2 teams.

If they were to replace current League 2 teams who on here would go, as it would no longer be 'my team' I wouldn't bother going and if it gets the same reaction as the EFL Trophy then I doubt many would go.

I’ve said before on another thread on this subject ( and got a load of red x’s !! ) that if the EFL voted to let B teams in L2 I wouldn’t go to another game . End of .

I get the impression that our new chairman is sensible enough not to vote in favour of this btw .

Do not need a salary cap, just more sever punishment for any team that cannot pay its way.
if a club like Macclesfield cannot pay their players, it's because they are spending above their means, end of. If they can face expulsion for not being able to pay their players, then they would think twice about overspending. That's how business works, so why noy football.

B teams would not interest me and so I would not continue with a season ticket and miss the B team games. I fear that a lot would feel like this as well and so not a healthy position.
The salary cap seems to make sense now. Utm

Still dont think  B teams will ever happen, well i hope not anyway.  Would destroy the fabric of the game at lower league level.

B teams would be the end of English football as we know it and would end lots of fans involvement. I don't think even league 2 club chairmen would be stupid enough to vote for something that is so counterproductive. Lots of teams would then find themselves expelled from the league to make room for them for a start