Leagues 1 and 2 salary cap proposed - plus B-Teams

Gaffer 58, Sunderland always have a crap season, with delusions of promotion each season.

There is a relevant point here.  With very high gates they can afford to have a big squad, with some very high-earners. What happens if they got relegated to Div 2?  

They might have top-earners on 2 year contracts.  With no release clauses.  Their players costs could be £5M or even £10 million.  This would not sit well with a meagre Div 2 salary cap.

TBF  £1.25m across 20 players is £62,500 pa on average. any younger players from the academy will be on less, which pushes up the pot for the more established players

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Gaffer 58, Sunderland always have a crap season, with delusions of promotion each season.

There is a relevant point here.  With very high gates they can afford to have a big squad, with some very high-earners. What happens if they got relegated to Div 2?  

They might have top-earners on 2 year contracts.  With no release clauses.  Their players costs could be £5M or even £10 million.  This would not sit well with a meagre Div 2 salary cap.

Surely teams like Sunderland have been burned already by lack of suitable release/relegation/reduction clauses.   If something like that happens, then the salary cap is a device to prevent it from happening, not the other way round, you saying, we can't have a salary cap in case clubs are stupid and spend all their money on overpaid players.  You have it back to front!  If their players don't perform, they should take steps to make sure those players aren't well paid.

The whole point of the salary cap is to increase fairness, and to stop the likes of Salford and Forest Green buying success like Franchise Scum and others have before.

Agree with the salary cap.....

Love to see them try B Teams....that would kill the game, so go ahead and try it.  

Quoted from Boris Johnson

Agree with the salary cap.....

Love to see them try B Teams....that would kill the game, so go ahead and try it.  

Do you really think the premiership give a fig for league 1 and 2, even the various tv stations are 99% focused on the premiership, some foreign owners would love a closed shop With no relegation, as per American sport, then they can be crap and have no repercussions.

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

TBF  £1.25m across 20 players is £62,500 pa on average. any younger players from the academy will be on less, which pushes up the pot for the more established players

Our current budget across 24ish players is around 2m give or take. Whichever way you look at it, a budget of 1.25mill can only ensure that we'll have worse players and watch worse football if the salary cap is enforced..

Quoted from Boris Johnson

Agree with the salary cap.....

Love to see them try B Teams....that would kill the game, so go ahead and try it.  

I'm fairly confident 99.9% of lower league clubs and fans oppose the concept of B teams (myself vehemently included), but here's the issue...

In the past when this idea has been proposed, it's been given short shrift simply because lower league clubs had a choice. What about now though? As we stand, spectators cannot attend matches and no spectators = no gate receipts. For as long as that remains the case, clubs like town will lose in the region of 80% of their revenue, whilst having to reinstate players and staff from furlough in order to stage matches. What that ultimately means is that football at this level is currently completely unviable.

It is certainly not inconceivable that the banning of mass gatherings will last for another year (or more), in effect making it impossible for the 20/21 season to take place. That is, without some financial aid.

Realistically, I imagine that League Two alone requires a package of £20m - £30m to get next season back on behind closed doors (to cover the basic costs of running a club plus the added cost of testing etc.). League One may need double that. Let's not forget that non-league didn't stop existing four years ago either.

Where is that kind of money going to come from? As important as football is to us all, there will be many businesses and institutions higher up the pecking order than us when it comes to the hand out of financial support.

The football family is going to have to feed itself, which is a worry when you look at who the breadwinners are. The Premier League itself is hurting right now; we shouldn't expect showered with unconditional altruism. If, and even that is a big if, they are compelled to come to the aid of lower league football, it will come heavily tainted with a "what's in this for me" mentality.

Would it be morally abhorrent for them to treat this crisis as an opportunity to force through an agenda they've wanted for some time, but have been held back by those who still see football as a valuable community asset steeped in tradition and not just a stepping stone to financial fortune? Absolutely. Do you think they give a fúck? Absolutely not.

So that's the kicker - the narrative has changed. It's no longer a question of "do you want B teams?", but rather "what would you prefer: B teams, or oblivion". And that's a whole different question...

Quoted from Poojah

I'm fairly confident 99.9% of lower league clubs and fans oppose the concept of B teams (myself vehemently included), but here's the issue...

In the past when this idea has been proposed, it's been given short shrift simply because lower league clubs had a choice. What about now though? As we stand, spectators cannot attend matches and no spectators = no gate receipts. For as long as that remains the case, clubs like town will lose in the region of 80% of their revenue, whilst having to reinstate players and staff from furlough in order to stage matches. What that ultimately means is that football at this level is currently completely unviable.

It is certainly not inconceivable that the banning of mass gatherings will last for another year (or more), in effect making it impossible for the 20/21 season to take place. That is, without some financial aid.

Realistically, I imagine that League Two alone requires a package of £20m - £30m to get next season back on behind closed doors (to cover the basic costs of running a club plus the added cost of testing etc.). League One may need double that. Let's not forget that non-league didn't stop existing four years ago either.

Where is that kind of money going to come from? As important as football is to us all, there will be many businesses and institutions higher up the pecking order than us when it comes to the hand out of financial support.

The football family is going to have to feed itself, which is a worry when you look at who the breadwinners are. The Premier League itself is hurting right now; we shouldn't expect showered with unconditional altruism. If, and even that is a big if, they are compelled to come to the aid of lower league football, it will come heavily tainted with a "what's in this for me" mentality.

Would it be morally abhorrent for them to treat this crisis as an opportunity to force through an agenda they've wanted for some time, but have been held back by those who still see football as a valuable community asset steeped in tradition and not just a stepping stone to financial fortune? Absolutely. Do you think they give a fúck? Absolutely not.

So that's the kicker - the narrative has changed. It's no longer a question of "do you want B teams?", but rather "what would you prefer: B teams, or oblivion". And that's a whole different question...

I don't think it's definitive that they will require b teams. Maybe they will but it's not definite. If they did where would they go? 20 teams would have to be removed  to make room for them. Then the choice becomes possible part-time / possible oblivion without b teams  vs definite nonleague for many teams if they do vote for it. So even then it's a difficult sell.

Quoted from Poojah

I'm fairly confident 99.9% of lower league clubs and fans oppose the concept of B teams (myself vehemently included), but here's the issue...

In the past when this idea has been proposed, it's been given short shrift simply because lower league clubs had a choice. What about now though? As we stand, spectators cannot attend matches and no spectators = no gate receipts. For as long as that remains the case, clubs like town will lose in the region of 80% of their revenue, whilst having to reinstate players and staff from furlough in order to stage matches. What that ultimately means is that football at this level is currently completely unviable.

It is certainly not inconceivable that the banning of mass gatherings will last for another year (or more), in effect making it impossible for the 20/21 season to take place. That is, without some financial aid.

Realistically, I imagine that League Two alone requires a package of £20m - £30m to get next season back on behind closed doors (to cover the basic costs of running a club plus the added cost of testing etc.). League One may need double that. Let's not forget that non-league didn't stop existing four years ago either.

Where is that kind of money going to come from? As important as football is to us all, there will be many businesses and institutions higher up the pecking order than us when it comes to the hand out of financial support.

The football family is going to have to feed itself, which is a worry when you look at who the breadwinners are. The Premier League itself is hurting right now; we shouldn't expect showered with unconditional altruism. If, and even that is a big if, they are compelled to come to the aid of lower league football, it will come heavily tainted with a "what's in this for me" mentality.

Would it be morally abhorrent for them to treat this crisis as an opportunity to force through an agenda they've wanted for some time, but have been held back by those who still see football as a valuable community asset steeped in tradition and not just a stepping stone to financial fortune? Absolutely. Do you think they give a fúck? Absolutely not.

So that's the kicker - the narrative has changed. It's no longer a question of "do you want B teams?", but rather "what would you prefer: B teams, or oblivion". And that's a whole different question...

I don't think it's definitive that they will require b teams. Maybe they will but it's not definite. If they did where would they go? 20 teams would have to be removed  to make room for them. Then the choice becomes possible part-time / possible oblivion without b teams  vs definite nonleague for many teams if they do vote for it. So even then it's a difficult sell.

The financial guy on The Price Of Football podcast sort of hinted he’d heard that L1&2 could go into hibernation for next season until crowds are allowed back in . Personally I’d take that to ensure the league system carries on normally instead of some bull.shite behind closed doors bo.llocks .