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arryarryarry
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but IH may well want to keep most of those, unless you are thinking of someone who is not currently in the country, or someone who he may be thinking, i'd prefer Billy Clarke


Well for example, I don't think Ohman was flavour of the month in his last few games, Green didn't really do himself justice and hardly looked like scoring a goal, I couldn't say Hewitt had a great season although he did play well in his last couple of games, he was only really first choice when we had injuries.

Hanson must be one of if not the highest paid player and he had serious injury problems in the second half of what season we had.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597

"Third-tier sides would be given a £2.5m ceiling for salaries, while the sum would be £1.25m for the fourth tier.

The plan, as reported in the Telegraph newspaper, would also see clubs given automatic points deductions if players are not paid on time. The EFL hopes to have the cap in place for the 2020-21 season.

Meanwhile, clubs would be given a vote on the introduction of maximum 20-man squads.  If approved, it would mean only 20 senior professionals at each club, with eight homegrown players - those produced from the club's academy system - within that group."



https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....-lower-league-crisis

"Some in executive positions at Premier League clubs have seen [an opportunity]. It is a reprise of an idea that Greg Dyke, in his then-role as the Football Association chairman, advanced in 2014. Could top-flight clubs develop mutually beneficial partnerships with those in the lower divisions? Or could they set up B teams in, say, League Two for their under-23s?

The Guardian understands the notions were raised during a recent conference call of an influential football working group comprising representatives of a handful of clubs plus the FA, Premier League and English Football League.

Dyke’s goal had been to improve the prospects of young English players and he set out three options: strategic loan partnerships between Premier League clubs and those further down; partnerships that were more all-encompassing; and B teams, broadly along the lines of the Spanish model.

Some Premier League executives now want to try again. They can see that clubs in League One and, particularly, League Two are facing oblivion but, in a life-or-death situation, they reason that the choice would surely be life – even with conditions attached. The opportunism is jarring, unpalatable. Welcome to capitalism."



On the salary cap: surely it is inevitable and necessary for the viability of L1/2.  On B-teams: they were always going to use the chaos to create another opportunity, weren't they?  If it fails again this time, surely it kills the idea for another 50 years.


More from the Guardian :-

The more extreme end of any partnerships would appear hard to achieve – in other words, a Premier League club effectively taking over an ailing one in League Two and rebranding it as theirs. But there could be a middle ground, particularly in terms of player loans.

What would a wider club partnership look like? Those in favour say the Premier League club could send coaches in addition to players to the other; they could share resources on marketing, programme printing and catering, among other things. The lower-league partner could be granted the use of the Premier League club’s training facilities and even their stadium.


Not sure how Premiership B teams could be added to League 2 without getting rid of some of the current teams.

Linking with a Premiership club for loan players, I don't see a problem with that as that is what we effectively did last season with Burnley and that worked out quite well.

Re-branding a current League 2 club as effectively Burnley Reserves would get a big no from me. It would mean many current EFL players ending up on the scrap heap, probably management teams coming in to run the club in the way the parent club wants would possibly mean the likes of IH popping down to the job centre.
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I don't get that argument Bigdog.  Limiting expenditure per income deepens inequality between clubs, creates multiple sub-tiers within leagues and has led to farcical off-field legal issues and myriad points deductions.  It cements clubs 'in their place' and limits aspiration.  Higher-revenue clubs will always have an advantage; there'd be no way for anyone else to join the party.  Should we have to accept that our club will always be around tier 4/5?  

Conversely, we can't also have a financial free-for-all.  This is why clubs risk selling out to inappropriate owners in an attempt to compete at a higher level.  It enables huge investment to be piled into select clubs, accelerating the cycle of never-ending hyperinflation.  

It isn't perfect, but I can only see a hard spending cap going some way to steering football through the recession and rectifying the game's chronic unfairness.  £1.25M is still plenty to keep our level professional, although it's possible the standard may not progress like it has.  

Just imagine this.  Rather than everyone's average league position being determined by their financial clout, what if it was determined more by their ability to nurture local talent?  What if Grimsby Town vs Scunthorpe United was more of a competition between people from Grimsby and Scunthorpe, rather than just a collection of L2 footballers against another collection of L2 footballers?  What if anyone could realistically win something?  

Maybe I'm just too much of a young idealist to see reality.


I think so mate..

You've just described the Socialist Worker Party's blueprint for football, every club exactly the same, expecting players to fall into line and not get picked up by other clubs who can offer more than their local salary-capped club and also ignoring other outside market forces beyond League One and League Two. And if the majority had to be homegrown then surely your plan would be flawed as clubs in higher population areas would have an unfair advantage..

As I've said before.. we've already got strict financial rules, FFP, but the EFL don't apply them as strictly as they should. Weed out the wrongdoers, don't punish everyone else. So what are they proposing? Yet more rules which they won't punish the wrongdoers for and the cycle continues ad nauseum until no-one's bothered about their local team or even football anymore..
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There will be ways for clubs with a higher income to circumvent the wage cap rules like signing on fees , fees to agents that get paid later to players etc etc etc . A wage cap is a good idea in principle but always open to manipulation. Personally i think if it stops clubs overspending on wages then it’s got to be a good idea .

If Town agreed to prem b teams joining L2 I’d never watch GTFC again . Simple .


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If Sunderland have a crap season and finish in league 2 they can only spend £1.25 million on players, but just suppose they start of with 5 straight wins and absolutely look world beaters, their home support averages 45k, what do they do with all that extra money from this season, put it in a building society for a rainy day.
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Also, we become Liverpool Mariners, we borrow 3/4 young lads and over the next 4/5 seasons we find ourselves in the premiership, what happens when we play Liverpool?
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If Sunderland have a crap season and finish in league 2 they can only spend £1.25 million on players, but just suppose they start of with 5 straight wins and absolutely look world beaters, their home support averages 45k, what do they do with all that extra money from this season, put it in a building society for a rainy day.


When they get promoted to L1 they spend more on wages ... get promoted to championship spend more on wages .... sustained spending with promotions


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Also, we become Liverpool Mariners, we borrow 3/4 young lads and over the next 4/5 seasons we find ourselves in the premiership, what happens when we play Liverpool?


I'd guess that, like in Spain, we wouldn't be allowed to reach their level. That would also mean that if they got relegated into our league, we'd go down too, regardless of our own position!

Utter nonsense of an idea that's only real benefit seems to be so big clubs can stockpile players. And with a B team they'll probably sign even more, leading to a 2030 drive (lead by FA Football Experience Journey Calibrator Danny Mills) for C teams.

I'd rather watch a reformed AFC Grimsby play in the NCEL than watch a GTFC in League 2 that's a B team for someone else.


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If Sunderland have a crap season and finish in league 2 they can only spend £1.25 million on players, but just suppose they start of with 5 straight wins and absolutely look world beaters, their home support averages 45k, what do they do with all that extra money from this season, put it in a building society for a rainy day.


You obviously haven't been following the goings-on at Sunderland recently.

The money would undoubtedly not be used for the benefit of the football club
and its supporters.
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So, let's get this straight. If these proposals come to fruition, we will be "allowed" to have 20 players, 8 of whom have to be academy products, whether they are good enough for first team football or not, and we will only be allowed 1.25 million to spend. The Premier league will carry on merrily having squads of up to 80, and have individual players "earning" upwards of 1.25 million a month.

Right there is the problem in a nutshell- the vast chasm that exists between the divisions in terms of wealth and resources. It's clearly a case of do as i say, not as i do. This is what happens in all walks of life when certain sections are allowed to become too powerful, too wealthy and bloated to the point of arrogance. Someone has to keep feeding the beast, and they are eyeing us up as their next tasty morsel.

If we become some backwater outpost for servicing the great and good, then i will be finding something else to do with my weekends.
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