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There are a lot of ironies in it aren’t there?
A game of football with insults and monkey chants thrown in is small beer in a region where genocide has been practiced for generations even before Nazism existed. Racism is part and parcel of life there but of course it shocked our western liberal sensibilities when it came to the fore in the Balkan War after being swept under the carpet for decades. The same applies to the Turks and the Kurds and of course anti-Semitism, you could go round the world finding the same hatred with different names attached. Is Qatar an anti-racist paradise? And our answer? Bring ‘em off the field for a bit. That’ll teach ‘em!
The other irony that may not be lost on Sterling this morning, when he thinks about it, is the support and chants he got from England fans who have been as racist against him as anyone since he got in the team. Last night it was not so much support for anti-racism they were showing as a case of my enemy’s enemy is my friend.
No, if we really want to beat racism we have to fight fire with fire and ban countries from competition. But, hey, we can’t do that can we? There’s money involved and the coffers of UEFA and FIFA must be kept filled.
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England fans were frustrated at Sterling's inability to replicate club form. Certainly not the case now. The major culprits were some of the papers with their racist undertones in numerous articles.
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Macca and the defence could learn a lot from Pickford and Englands backs very rarely does he kick the ball out from open play there is always a player availiable to take the ball short and build up.
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This just shows what thick knobheads racists are. Those idiots with their Nazi insignia - yes, those same Nazis who wanted to thin out the Slav populations to provide living space for the Germans.
Bulgaria were part of the Axis powers in WW2. Did their own bit of invading (Romania) and fought for the Nazis at Stalingrad and elsewhere on the Eastern front. |
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How do you know those same England fans are racist? That’s harsh.
Just an inspired guess after hearing the “No Surrender” stuff again last night. |
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The next time there is an international game in Bulgaria maybe FIFA could appoint a ref from an African nation just to show how the game is now a truly international game and not just for European elitists.
Banning Bulgaria from the remaining Euro tournament is pointless. Ban them from the next one and from the World Cup. Also ban their clubs from European competitions until they clean up their act.
Remember how they banned us for acts of violence and the length of the bans? Is violence at football matches worse than the racism we witnessed last night?
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Bulgaria were part of the Axis powers in WW2. Did their own bit of invading (Romania) and fought for the Nazis at Stalingrad and elsewhere on the Eastern front.
True. But only because their government was anti-Bolshevik and probably didn’t think the bit about the Slavs being Untermenschen applied to them. They might not have taken that seriously in 1941 but what subsequently happened should leave no Slav with the illusion that somehow Nazism is good for them. |
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Bulgaria were part of the Axis powers in WW2. Did their own bit of invading (Romania) and fought for the Nazis at Stalingrad and elsewhere on the Eastern front.
True. But only because their government was anti-Bolshevik and probably didn’t think the bit about the Slavs being Untermenschen applied to them. They might not have taken that seriously in 1941 but what subsequently happened should leave no Slav with the illusion that somehow Nazism is good for them. |
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There are a lot of ironies in it aren’t there?
A game of football with insults and monkey chants thrown in is small beer in a region where genocide has been practiced for generations even before Nazism existed. Racism is part and parcel of life there but of course it shocked our western liberal sensibilities when it came to the fore in the Balkan War after being swept under the carpet for decades. The same applies to the Turks and the Kurds and of course anti-Semitism, you could go round the world finding the same hatred with different names attached. Is Qatar an anti-racist paradise? And our answer? Bring ‘em off the field for a bit. That’ll teach ‘em!
The other irony that may not be lost on Sterling this morning, when he thinks about it, is the support and chants he got from England fans who have been as racist against him as anyone since he got in the team. Last night it was not so much support for anti-racism they were showing as a case of my enemy’s enemy is my friend.
No, if we really want to beat racism we have to fight fire with fire and ban countries from competition. But, hey, we can’t do that can we? There’s money involved and the coffers of UEFA and FIFA must be kept filled.
You’re trying to be too clever for your own good RRFC. (1) genocide has not been practised for generations. Sure there’s been ethnic strife for hundreds of years but not genocide. They might have participated in helping round up Jews but that’s not the same as practising genocide for generations. (2) racism is part and parcel of life there. Where? How do you know? Sounds a bit of a slur on all Balkan’s/Bulgarians/whoever you meant by ‘there’ (3) I’m sure you’ve heard of the idea that two wrongs don’t make a right. Any racism by English person does not excuse racism by any Bulgarian. (4) Bringing them off the field is a step on the way to the country concerned being banned. (5) so far Qatar hasn’t breached any anti-racist rule. (6) Big brands will not want to be associated with tournaments were stuff like this happens. They will vote with their money. So yes, that will teach them. What’s your solution? Continue to stick your head in the sand and show ignorance and flawed logic? |
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Bulgaria were part of the Axis powers in WW2. Did their own bit of invading (Romania) and fought for the Nazis at Stalingrad and elsewhere on the Eastern front.
Then switched sides before the end when Adolf was getting his backside kicked, the Nazi salute is illegal in Germany it's a shame that it's not around the rest the globe as well. |
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