Bulgaria v England

Quoted from KingstonMariner

You’re trying to be too clever for your own good RRFC.
(1) genocide has not been practised for generations. Sure there’s been ethnic strife for hundreds of years but not genocide. They might have participated in helping round up Jews but that’s not the same as practising genocide for generations.
(2) racism is part and parcel of life there. Where? How do you know? Sounds a bit of a slur on all Balkan’s/Bulgarians/whoever you meant by ‘there’
(3) I’m sure you’ve heard of the idea that two wrongs don’t make a right. Any racism by English person does not excuse racism by any Bulgarian.
(4) Bringing them off the field is a step on the way to the country concerned being banned.
(5) so far Qatar hasn’t breached any anti-racist rule.
(6) Big brands will not want to be associated with tournaments were stuff like this happens. They will vote with their money. So yes, that will teach them.

What’s your solution? Continue to stick your head in the sand and show ignorance and flawed logic?

You are right, it is a slur on the Balkans, surely that is the least sort of condemnation the region deserves after the 1990s conflict. Every state in the area has been afflicted at some level for centuries including violence and genocide because none of the Balkan states, including Bulgaria, is composed of a single homogeneous group and each has tried at various times to enlist the help of a Big Brother, be it Communist or Fascist.

My point is much simpler than you seem to imagine. I’m not being clever at all, just stating the obvious. There is no answer to racism in internationals other than banning countries from competitions. I am simply putting the point that as soon as we try to do this as the only thing that will work, those countries will cry victim and point at somebody else who should be banned too. Those are the two wrongs that don’t make a right.

Qatar? How do you think are they building the stadia? The Independent  among others ran a piece about slavery of migrant workers and death rates more than 2 years ago. That is real racism. Where is FIFA’s stand on this?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

You’re trying to be too clever for your own good RRFC.
(1) genocide has not been practised for generations. Sure there’s been ethnic strife for hundreds of years but not genocide. They might have participated in helping round up Jews but that’s not the same as practising genocide for generations.
(2) racism is part and parcel of life there. Where? How do you know? Sounds a bit of a slur on all Balkan’s/Bulgarians/whoever you meant by ‘there’
(3) I’m sure you’ve heard of the idea that two wrongs don’t make a right. Any racism by English person does not excuse racism by any Bulgarian.
(4) Bringing them off the field is a step on the way to the country concerned being banned.
(5) so far Qatar hasn’t breached any anti-racist rule.
(6) Big brands will not want to be associated with tournaments were stuff like this happens. They will vote with their money. So yes, that will teach them.

What’s your solution? Continue to stick your head in the sand and show ignorance and flawed logic?

Agree with Kingston, if a person accepts racism is "part and parcel" in any form then what does that say about them?  

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Agree with Kingston, if a person accepts racism is "part and parcel" in any form then what does that say about them?  

Sadly, I think they are being realistic

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I did hear the England fans singing "" he's one of our own Raheem STERLING he's one of our own""  Later in the game.

What happened last night was abhorrent. End of. I think we all know UEFA and / or FIFA will do b*gger all about it, because that his their modus operandi.

RRFC is absolutely right about banning being the only option, but then again where do you stop if as he says "No surrender" isn't counted as racist, or the whole raft of anti German songs that abound among the travelling England support?

Like a lot of fans, I lived through this kind of sh1te in the 70s and 80s and really don't want it to become the norm again, but we live in strange times where the PM and his government think it okay to play the racist card time after time after time. It's no wonder racism doesn't go away really, is it?

Quoted from mimma

The next time there is an international game in Bulgaria maybe FIFA could appoint a ref from an African nation just to show how the game is now a truly international game and not just for European elitists.

Banning Bulgaria from the remaining Euro tournament is pointless. Ban them from the next one and from the World Cup. Also ban their clubs from European competitions until they clean up their act.

Remember how they banned us for acts of violence and the length of the bans? Is violence at football matches worse than the racism we witnessed last night?

Racism is unacceptable in any way, shape or form. But violence that ends in scores of deaths is worse. Much worse.

The point I was (badly) trying to make, is that FIFA were making the same sort of noises regarding crowd trouble then, as they are about racism today.

Then they gave out massive bans to English clubs as a deterrent. Will they be so brave as to set the same level of punishment to Bulgaria as they did to us back then.

One more point about some of the comments from last night. It was stated by several different bodies and in the press that there is still problems with racism in English grounds. The difference is that when it occurs here the authorities clamp down on it, using CCTV to identify those responsible and prosecute them including lengthy bans. Last night there was no action taken against the racists. Police and officials stood back and did nothing. Bulgarian officials police and press pretended not to hear it or played it down. The perpetrators are clearly identifiable but will probably escape any punishment.

UEFA have serious questions to answer over the whole incident, and as what action they are going to take as a deterrent.

Quoted from mimma

Remember how they banned us for acts of violence and the length of the bans? Is violence at football matches worse than the racism we witnessed last night?

In that particular scenario it was as a result of the 600 injuries and 39 deaths at Heysel.....i would say that is worse than the chanting and gestures that were made during the game the other night.

Quoted from moosey_club

In that particular scenario it was as a result of the 600 injuries and 39 deaths at Heysel.....i would say that is worse than the chanting and gestures that were made during the game the other night.

Yes, a couple of you have beaten me to this. What happened at Heysel is just unthinkable. They were bad times. These are bad enough, but mass loss of life at a sporting arena, caused by morons, it was unforgivable really.