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Ashby Mariner, I think our league problems stem from Hurst dismantling the conference squad, winning or losing games is infectious, currently I would assume the players are thinking if we go a goal down then that's it, we'll lose, whereas the conference team were confident of getting a result. look at the teams that have come up from the conference in the last 3 years, the majority are in league 1 or pushing foe promotion from league 2, apart from Barnet, and I would hazard a guess that initially if not currently they still have the majority of their conference squads.
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To be honest I enjoyed it better and we normally went home a bit happier. The shite we played against then was no shitier than the shite we play against now that we still can't beat. 3 shite managers since Hurst
Time gives us rose tinted specs. How many times was the Saturday night talk on the Fishy about how we had struggled against/failed to beat some wretched pub league outfit that parked the bus at BP? We had the same old budget talk and chuntering about how well PH was doing and how he only needed another six years ......
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Ashby Mariner, I think our league problems stem from Hurst dismantling the conference squad, winning or losing games is infectious, currently I would assume the players are thinking if we go a goal down then that's it, we'll lose, whereas the conference team were confident of getting a result. look at the teams that have come up from the conference in the last 3 years, the majority are in league 1 or pushing foe promotion from league 2, apart from Barnet, and I would hazard a guess that initially if not currently they still have the majority of their conference squads.
And Cheltenham and Macclesfield who might go straight back down. And winning wasn't that infectious, we only won 4 of our last 12 games in it (granted, that's a superb run compared to now)! When Bogle was banging in League 2 goals for fun, I can't remember a single person complaining about Danny East being let go!
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We were in the conference for six season and 100+ players probably went through the doors. Only a handful of those conference players have proved league standard the rest looked better because they were playing against worse players.
I'd hazard a guess at something like 15% of those players have had extended runs in the league since playing for us in the conference.
As for manager I think we've tried every route apart from the foreign route, player managers - Groves, promoting from within - Woods, Roger, experienced - AB, Slade, big name former players - Newell, Highly qualified coach - MJ. NOTHING WORKS, we do not appear to be able to compete at this level under this board.
Changing MJ would I predict with a high degree of certainty result in a bottom half finish, but to be fair keeping him probably has the same result. I would still rather give him time.
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What I don't understand is why in our conference days did we have I'm my opinion better players than we have now.? The budget is better now than it was then. Look at the likes of Magnay, Pearson, Miller, Nolan, Tait, Connel ect. If the budget is better now how come we got these players to play against the likes Welling, Tamworth ect and now we can't seem to attract better players now we are a league club. It saddens me when I think of the team that got promoted and how quickly they all went there separate ways. Utm
Connell used us to reignite his career and get back in the league and that gamble paid off for him. Nolan was a Lincoln reject and on the scrapheap when he signed for us. There was an interview a few weeks ago stating how the penny dropped when he came here. Tait is in the SPL but Craig Clay went to the SPL and went straight back to the Conference. I think Pearson would be great alongside Öhman but he's in the Conference. Ian Miller disappeared off the radar and Magnay got relegated with Hartlepool. Connell, Amond, Nolan and Bogle aside, I don't recall any others going on to better things.
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I think Miller copulated his knee in the Conference playoff final and never recovered.
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I think Miller copulated his knee in the Conference playoff final and never recovered.
He’s been fairly regular at Darlo games this season as his wife’s from up this way. Sure he plays part time for some team near Cambridge.
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Connell used us to reignite his career and get back in the league and that gamble paid off for him. Nolan was a Lincoln reject and on the scrapheap when he signed for us. There was an interview a few weeks ago stating how the penny dropped when he came here. Tait is in the SPL but Craig Clay went to the SPL and went straight back to the Conference. I think Pearson would be great alongside Öhman but he's in the Conference. Ian Miller disappeared off the radar and Magnay got relegated with Hartlepool. Connell, Amond, Nolan and Bogle aside, I don't recall any others going on to better things.
Lenny J-L is at Shrewsbury, Alex Rodman is with Bristol Rovers, Toto and Kayden Jackson are both at Ipswich. Isn't Connor Jennings at Tranmere Rovers still?
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Is this current squad better or worse than the one that got relegated into the Conference.? I regard that 4-0 defeat away at Burton as one of the worst days in the club’s history. The idiots who caused mayhem after that game brought shame on the club. Surely, we must now be in a bit better shape than back then? I have supported this club for 62 years and yearn for better times. The genuine fans of which there are many deserve better. A successful football team would give the area a huge boost but currently we a left tearing our hair out week after week. I thought we had turned the corner when we had the run that took us into the 40 plus points zone but then it went pear shaped again. You
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Can Jolley organise and motivate a team?
At the moment the answer has to be no. Whether he just hasn’t got it in his locker or he’s still in a learning curve it’s anyone’s guess and will become apparent by October. My current feeling is that football management may be just a bit beyond him. Some say he’s a good coach. Well I haven’t seen any evidence of good coaching this season at all. All I’ve seen is a team that’s played fluently in four games and the rest of the time ground out results in games when we were second best.
There was no method to his recruitmment in the summer signing past it players for a high tempo game and yet again we were left with gaps in the squad to play certain formations.
With senior players leaving under a cloud questions have to be asked if he has the attributes to manage a squad. I hated the decision to have a group of four seniors as a conduit to management especially when three of them have been our worst performers. Creates unnecessary levels between the players and could have caused resentment from younger players that were playing better and getting overlooked.
His team selections have baffled me all season and formations too. Collins played instead of Whitmore and RHJ is stubborn insanity. It’s put us on the back foot all season and isolated our strikers. I’m going to say it now.. Danny Collins has been shite overall for two seasons with the odd good game and wouldn’t get in any League Two side and not many in the Conference yet MJ says he’s a very important player for us. If he is MJ, I have serious questions about your judgement. Cardwell contract extension? Seriously?!! Woolford in a central midfield two? Woolford in central midfield? Woolford in the team? Seriously?! Yet these three players have played in front of Clifton, Rose, Vernam, RHJ and Whitmore regularly and Ring has been brought in as a wing back when he’s barely faster than Collins!!!
This isn’t purely about budget, it’s about management and MJ has got a lot to prove in my eyes in the transfer window and first couple of months into the next season. I hope he’s learnt from his mistakes and proves me wrong as I’m really not sure about him at all. And stop with the interview technique of textbook avoidance in answering the questions. Fans deserve direct answers and you’re starting to sound really boring and childish as the weeks and months go on..
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