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cannylad68
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Way too early to make a comparison.
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I'm certain I remember it being announced as a rolling contract, I thought it was PD when he announced it, but maybe I read it on the internet. I think the reason they didn't talk about Slade's contract length is because certain people in the press use it as a stick to beat the club with and if they don't know, then they can't stir up more shite. In reality, I don't see why any manager would have a problem with a 6 month rolling contract. It offers both parties a degree of protection and any manager who backs himself to succeed wouldn't care how much of a pay off they get if they get sacked.

As for the normal practice, it is widely known that contracts have clauses based on promotion and relegation in general. But that's not the only reason you wouldn't give a long term contract when you don't know what level you'll be at. If you are fighting for promotion like we were, then you don't want players tied down to 3 year contracts when you don't know if they can cut it at the levels above. Also, I'd say 50% of signings for a good manager turn out to be dogs, you don't want those players staying for 3 years (2 is bad enough for some that we have). On the other side of the fence, players aren't going to sign a long deal if they want to move up quickly and put themselves in the shop window.


Contradictory nonsense. You need people at the top of the club who have the foresight and footballing nous to know which coaches and which players are the ones to properly invest in. It puts a realisable market price on the club's assets and it will bring to an end to what seems to be like a perpetually revolving door every transfer window..
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Hang on slow down a minute! Brown kind of did us a favour today by playing an under strength team, it's now all about assessing his full squad whilst throwing a few kids, like you would expect from any new manager with a team and nothing to play for.



He might’ve done us a favour, but that’s not his job. His job was to push Swindon on from the healthy position they were in when he took over - playoff challengers and best home record in the division (or thereabouts) if I remember correctly.

He’s masterminded their plummet to the foot of the form table and consigned them to another year in this division. Not much point in him trying out youth team players when his contract only runs to the end of this season.

Looks like we’ve dodged another bullet of Fenty’s, Christ knows what position we’d be in if Brown had taken up the post. Always the danger with appointments like Brown who feel they’ve done it all and have nothing to prove.

Forgive me for not wanting everyone to forget how close we still are to being dragged out of the football league AGAIN under Honest John’s leadership. We can save the mutual fellatio for when we’re safe.
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Contradictory nonsense. You need people at the top of the club who have the foresight and footballing nous to know which coaches and which players are the ones to properly invest in. It puts a realisable market price on the club's assets and it will bring to an end to what seems to be like a perpetually revolving door every transfer window..


You would have thought that the previous poster would have known that...oh, wait a minute...
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Contradictory nonsense. You need people at the top of the club who have the foresight and footballing nous to know which coaches and which players are the ones to properly invest in. It puts a realisable market price on the club's assets and it will bring to an end to what seems to be like a perpetually revolving door every transfer window..



It may be contradictory but it certainly isn't nonsense. The football league is full of managers who were successes at one club but failures at another. The same goes for players , who for varying reasons, can flourish at one club and seem mediocre at another. It is always a gamble and certainly very hard for the " people at the top " to really know who to put their faith in. You only have to look at AB's career. He worked wonders with us twice but was very mediocre at WBA and did nothing at all at Rochdale or Lincoln.


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I'm certain I remember it being announced as a rolling contract, I thought it was PD when he announced it, but maybe I read it on the internet. I think the reason they didn't talk about Slade's contract length is because certain people in the press use it as a stick to beat the club with and if they don't know, then they can't stir up more shite. In reality, I don't see why any manager would have a problem with a 6 month rolling contract. It offers both parties a degree of protection and any manager who backs himself to succeed wouldn't care how much of a pay off they get if they get sacked.

As for the normal practice, it is widely known that contracts have clauses based on promotion and relegation in general. But that's not the only reason you wouldn't give a long term contract when you don't know what level you'll be at. If you are fighting for promotion like we were, then you don't want players tied down to 3 year contracts when you don't know if they can cut it at the levels above. Also, I'd say 50% of signings for a good manager turn out to be dogs, you don't want those players staying for 3 years (2 is bad enough for some that we have). On the other side of the fence, players aren't going to sign a long deal if they want to move up quickly and put themselves in the shop window.


Sums up the approach under our esteemed leader.

I would rather we were truthful and upfront than secretive just in case someone says something nasty. Not the way to live your life or run a business imo.

Dont be frightened or fearful, be open and honest. Gain far more respect and trust.

This is another reason why i desperately want change at the top
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It may be contradictory but it certainly isn't nonsense. The football league is full of managers who were successes at one club but failures at another. The same goes for players , who for varying reasons, can flourish at one club and seem mediocre at another. It is always a gamble and certainly very hard for the " people at the top " to really know who to put their faith in. You only have to look at AB's career. He worked wonders with us twice but was very mediocre at WBA and did nothing at all at Rochdale or Lincoln.


GTFC, foundations built on one year player contract gambles and hedging our bet six month rolling contracts while waiting for football fortune..

The actions of decision makers not having the ability to make solid, researched and calculated footballing decisions. No wonder we are where we are..

If the powers that be think every acquisition is a gamble, they shouldn't be in that position to make those decisions..

And if there's no-one else to fill their shoes, they should engage with the fans a whole lot better to boost income which will help to insure against any bad decisions through poor judgement..
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GTFC, foundations built on one year player contract gambles and hedging our bet six month rolling contracts while waiting for football fortune..

The actions of decision makers not having the ability to make solid, researched and calculated footballing decisions. No wonder we are where we are..

If the powers that be think every acquisition is a gamble, they shouldn't be in that position to make those decisions..

And if there's no-one else to fill their shoes, they should engage with the fans a whole lot better to boost income which will help to insure against any bad decisions through poor judgement..


Sums it up really.

Having a business plan that's based on 'football fortune' is about as sensible as backing a three-legged horse.

Hopefully there's a change in this mentality in the GTFC boardroom by way of new ownership because I can't see the current incumbents having the foresight to see that 15 years of poor leadership hasn't worked.
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I'm certain I remember it being announced as a rolling contract, I thought it was PD when he announced it, but maybe I read it on the internet. I think the reason they didn't talk about Slade's contract length is because certain people in the press use it as a stick to beat the club with and if they don't know, then they can't stir up more shite. In reality, I don't see why any manager would have a problem with a 6 month rolling contract. It offers both parties a degree of protection and any manager who backs himself to succeed wouldn't care how much of a pay off they get if they get sacked.

As for the normal practice, it is widely known that contracts have clauses based on promotion and relegation in general. But that's not the only reason you wouldn't give a long term contract when you don't know what level you'll be at. If you are fighting for promotion like we were, then you don't want players tied down to 3 year contracts when you don't know if they can cut it at the levels above. Also, I'd say 50% of signings for a good manager turn out to be dogs, you don't want those players staying for 3 years (2 is bad enough for some that we have). On the other side of the fence, players aren't going to sign a long deal if they want to move up quickly and put themselves in the shop window.


So why was he happy to give people in the press a stick to beat him with every other manager, before and after Slade? Absolute poppycock.

By your logic we'd only give 2 or 3 year contracts to players if we expect to be mid-table. As others have said, if decisions are taken on the basis of solid information then you should have the courage of your convictions.


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Based on what we have seen so far Jolley looks very capable. The board now need to support him with a good budget.

Bringing in journeymen that no one else wants is a false economy. Players are usually cheap for good reason. Yes, you may get the occasional gem like Paul Futcher, but more likely you end up with the likes of Kelly and Beret.

Whatever league we are in next year will require a core of good players. Whether it's the conference or league 2 we want to be at the top end of the table.

With Jolley we have a guy with more tactical nous than any Town manager since Buckley, and I include Hurst in that. But he needs the raw material to work with.  It will mean investment. But I think it's a risk worth taking under Jolley.
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