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diehardmariner
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Prize money doubled but 16 'Elite Academy Teams' involved.

Just the start for me.  Throw money at it to silence enough of those clubs who will disagree, which is exactly what they'll do to get League 3/Old Firm teams here.

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Absolutely disgusting, and this is just the start. Before we know it we will be playing United under 21's in the league. Really think the FL fans need to rally together against this, boycott or something,


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A fans boycott is surely on the cards


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A competition intended for the lower football league teams to realistically get a cup sold off by the FL for 30 pieces of Premiersh*t silver !!! Absolutely disgusting and another example of how the Premiersh*t is ruining football for the clubs lower down the pyramid.


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Any money they add to the prize fund will be lost in gate reciepts , there would be hardly anyone attend a game to see a B team of 17 year olds
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Boycott for sure, what a disgusting decision. Do these people not care what fans think? The people that put there money into it..
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Boycott any game against one of these "elite academy teams" then. Home or away.

Maybe just boycott the whole competition see every game with empty stadiums that'll get the message through.


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Thin end of the wedge. Boycott all games for me.
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Agree with all of the above. Nothing less than a total boycott is required. Hopefully the league clubs will just put out youth teams too and make the whole competition pointless. There is absolutely no room for this B-team nonsense.
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Absolutely no flipping chance I'm going to watch us against an academy team. They can intercourse off the bunch of girl privates.

Bad news appointing an ex Superleague club owner as chairman, look at what a mess the RL structure is.


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Don't be surprised to see the league re-structured allowing  Premier League  academies to play in the league. This is just testing the water to see the fans reactions


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In fact, thinking about it, a boycott isn't enough. Down the ground and protest outside would be better.
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Play the youths and make it totally pointless for the Premiershit teams.
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Boycott it's a set up


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Stupid idea.  I have no interest in watching Town play a reserve side.  The whole purpose of the this Cup was to create a trophy for the bottom 2 leagues.  Now it is completely devalued and it treats clubs like ours with condescension as if we only exist to provide a run out for PL youths and stiffs.  If they want to play competitive football, get a transfer or loan deal.  

I realise that if we drew Chelsea in the FA Cup, they might put out a 'weakened' side but if we win, the record says we beat Chelsea.  I don't care if we win or lose v Chelsea U21s.

I would like to see proper ties between 2 league teams to be supported but an empty stadium vs U21 teams.  
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Empty stadiums speak volumes, and if clubs get wind that fans are prepared to boycott the competition entirely then they'll fight it. I certainly won't be going to see us play Stoke U21's away.

Absolutely ridiculous decision.


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Nothing less than a total boycott of all the games in the competition will see them get the message.


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Wonder how town voted?
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"approved at the English Football League’s annual general meeting in Portugal"

And a free holiday to boot! It's not just at FIFA that corruptions rife.

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The more i think about it, the more flipping livid i get. If you want to blood your bright young things, stop signing so many of them and loan out the ones with potential to teams at our level. Also stop throwing money at everything to get your way. Fans in the lower leagues don't give a shite. If they did, they would go and support a Premier League side. The twits just don't get it and if our board had any hand in this decision, i will be extremely drunk off with them.

So getyourfactsright, where does the club stand on this issue?
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Quoted from Bigdog


We need to get this signed by as many people as possible. Share it on social media and raise awareness. We need to put our feet down now or they'll think they can ride roughshod over us with future proposals that benefit the elite and cheapen our competitions and very existence. The day Town entertain Man United Under 21's in a competitive fixture is the day I stop going.


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It's a right load of male masturbation.

These fornicators are ruining the game for greed. I'm no Luddite (although I was born in Louth), but you make change for the better, not to support the vanity projects of billionaires. There would be a very simple way to sort the English talent question and that would be to ensure the majority of people on the pitch at any one time are from the home nation. You have as many non-English players in your squad as you wish, thus avoiding restriction of trade questions.


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Stupid idea. I have no interest in watching Town play a reserve side.  The whole purpose of the this Cup was to create a trophy for the bottom 2 leagues.  Now it is completely devalued and it treats clubs like ours with condescension as if we only exist to provide a run out for PL youths and stiffs.  If they want to play competitive football, get a transfer or loan deal.  

I realise that if we drew Chelsea in the FA Cup, they might put out a 'weakened' side but if we win, the record says we beat Chelsea.  I don't care if we win or lose v Chelsea U21s.

I would like to see proper ties between 2 league teams to be supported but an empty stadium vs U21 teams.  


Whilst I agree with all the comments on here, it's a bag of shite.

I think you will find that in past seasons in the early stages many clubs played their reserve teams.
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I will never watch this format, even if Town get to a Wembley final.

That prat in charge of the EFL should be sacked-he is a bumbling idiot.
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Thin end of the wedge. Boycott all games for me.


Too right....


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so we get this excrement dumped on us without even asking us, who do they think they are New Labour!

The problem is a lot of young fans will think this is great!!  Town v Man U etc, the club will promote this  with cheap tickets and free hot dogs and before we know it this will become the norm within a few years, and then we will forget even thinking about boycotting it.

We must fight this on a large scale.


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Would be very interesting to see which clubs voted in favour and which against.


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I'm all for supporting the club and I'm right behind the season ticket drive.
But as a season ticket holder for many a year it can't be a one way process. We, as supporters, via the trust should have been consulted.
If it's about money I may reconsider my own commitment, if it's only money that talks. This more than sucks and is very demotivating.
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Yup. We're all sat here talking about a boycott  
It's close season, we've pretty much switched off emotionally.
Let's see what happens when it's mid season, we're riding high in the league and JF and Co ask us to go and support our club etc.  I will not go, but would be interested to see how many still do !!


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It's wrong . We all know this is just the beginning aswell probably their idea of 'testing the waters' to see what fans off clubs will do ( if the PL, FL  or club higher powers even care ) . As people have said don't go guys , don't go ( not that many people care too much of the early rounds anyway ) but it's a wider picture than that it's about them taking over OUR teams leagues and monopolising them for their gain . I don't want the football league restructured its fine as it is with REAL clubs it has with passionate fans , not some B team who we will play on one of their little mini stadiums next to the first teams ones with about 50 men and his dog . Fox
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Quoted from Civvy at last
Yup. We're all sat here talking about a boycott  
It's close season, we've pretty much switched off emotionally.
Let's see what happens when it's mid season, we're riding high in the league and JF and Co ask us to go and support our club etc.  I will not go, but would be interested to see how many still do !!


That's why we need to build momentum now and continue it through the summer. Petitions are all well and good as a starting point, but ultimately they achieve intercourse all.

From what I can see, opposition to this is widespread, and certainly stronger than opposition to the idea of B Teams in the league, or the restructuring. I'd imagine this is partly down to the way the FL have tried to sneak this through without any consultation, and then attempted to bury the statement by releasing it just hours before the start of the Euros. It absolutely reeks of the snide, contemptuous attitude the FL (and, let's not forget, many club representatives) have.

This needs to be a collective, coordinated, inclusive protest across the whole football league and even Premier League fans, where possible. I'd start with leafleting at friendlies, spread the word to people who don't have these conversations, or aren't engaged online, or don't care at the moment.

Banners, chants, leaflets - they all have their place but nothing will work like a boycott. Nobody will want to be associated with a product that actively turns fans away from grounds. I think the FL have copulated themselves here in choosing a competition that very few people will really care about boycotting.

I hope that support, in any form, will be forthcoming from the Trust and local press outlets around an issue that is clearly a threat to the very soul of football in this country.
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Quoted from Theimperialcoroner
It's a right load of male masturbation.

These fornicators are ruining the game for greed. I'm no Luddite (although I was born in Louth), but you make change for the better, not to support the vanity projects of billionaires. There would be a very simple way to sort the English talent question and that would be to ensure the majority of people on the pitch at any one time are from the home nation. You have as many non-English players in your squad as you wish, thus avoiding restriction of trade questions.


See what you did there  


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Ska is right.

Clearly the timing is snide.It just shows the calibre of people we're dealing with. Too guilty to deal with this at a decent time and consult their 'stakeholders'. Sneaky little feckers.

Trust members write to the Trust. Everyone write to the Club to find out what the Club's position is on this.


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http://mobile.lutontown.co.uk//news/article/gary-sweet-luton-town-efl-3140729.aspx

Luton voted against. How about us? As a club which had one of it's best ever moments in this competition I really hope JF didn't make another ridiculous decision
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I've got bored of going to Wembley, anyway.

Boycott it is.
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I sort of hope Cleethorpes Town are at home one of the nights we play so they get the benefit of 1000 theough the gate watching first team football rather than the PL kids.
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So far the following have confirmed that they voted against.  Wimbledon, Accrington Stanley, Hartlepool, Luton, Port Vale and Portsmouth. They don't have blood on their hands but do we? I really hope it's not a guilty silence from the club.
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I sort of hope Cleethorpes Town are at home one of the nights we play so they get the benefit of 1000 theough the gate watching first team football rather than the PL kids.


That's a cracking idea LH. The way things are going with footy now, if those fookers at the top table start to dictate over our leagues as well, i may end up going to watch someone like Clee Town instead for a football fix.
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Looks like a blatant Trojan horse for placing B-Teams and the Old Firm into the lower leagues and should be resisted at every turn.

I'd favour a boycott and protests outside the ground at matches.

I'm also intrigued as to how we voted and also how our vote is decided.  Do the board come to a collective decision and send someone as a delegate?  Does Fenty, as HiPPO (Highest Paid Person's Opinion) appoint himself, Captain Mainwaring-like ("the appointed leader, which will be me") as our spokesman?  Does anyone get to know what happened?  Were the Trust consulted?
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Quoted from KingstonMariner
Ska is right.

Clearly the timing is snide.It just shows the calibre of people we're dealing with. Too guilty to deal with this at a decent time and consult their 'stakeholders'. Sneaky little feckers.

Trust members write to the Trust. Everyone write to the Club to find out what the Club's position is on this.


We are already getting mails from disgruntled members. May it long continue. My personal view is that it is a truly dreadful development. I am yet to find anybody on the Trust board who agrees with it. We haven't had the opportunity to discuss it yet but we will. In the meantime I'd urge everyone to sign the petition. Mobilise!!


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Terrible, awful decision. The premiership only want this cos they have hoarded so many young players who they refuse to play and refuse to loan out. So if they are missing competitive football by u21 level it's their fault not ours, so the solution is not to make our comps change, it's to change them. I really hope the club wasn't dumb enough to vote for this - it is a slippery slope to B teams meaning even more well funded (but soulless) teams between us and success. English football is probably unique in being so well supported so low down the pyramid, something worth preserving not destroying to benefit primadonership development programmes. BOYCOTT
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This disgraceful decision has the slimy hand of Chief Executive, Shaun Harvey all over it.

His stated aim is to get the League restructured and allow 8 more teams into it. This is a back-door way of reducing resistance and allowing B-teams into the League structure.

The fans must fight against this latest move against clubs like ours and the fans who support them. If this goes ahead, that is a further step down the slippery slope of Premier League total domination. Remember that well over one half of Premier League clubs are foreign owned and they don't give a t**s about England or English clubs.

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Boycott the Trophy definitely.


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Should it happen ensure that they play the games in empty stadiums as a protest
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On a slight tangent, Chelsea have announced their retained list and they will have 82 contracted players next season. This is the reason we're not producing top class youngsters because there's 19/20 year olds who can't even get into their clubs u21 team, it's an absolute disgrace this whole thing.


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A boycott of the B-team games isn't enough.  The whole financial viability of the tournament needs to be undermined in every game, even if we're drawn against Donneh or Hartlepool.
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A slight glimmer of hope....it has been agreed for a one season trial only 2016/2017....i cant imagine this season can be stopped now ,as a democratic system is in operation and the member clubs have actually already agreed to it.  

However;

Completely boycott the competition for this season. That means every game, every ground, every round. No fans, no income for the clubs.  That will kill it. Worst case, one season, thats all.  The fans do have the power to influence this, we just have to stick to it.

Name and shame those clubs who did vote yes.  I would think a freedom of information request may be possible to reveal the vote, that is if the league dont publish the minutes. Anyone savvy with making such requests ?






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Apparently Championship clubs didn't get a vote, so to pass it needed more than 24 out of 48 clubs voting yes.

Judging by the lack of noise coming out of BP, I think we can assume which way "we" voted. I say "we" because it looks like, quite obviously, none of us or the Trust were consulted. I hope I am wrong and it was GTFC "no" vote.
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On league restructure
Tweet 734325729052270592 will appear here...

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From talking to the chap who runs the club's twitter account, it seems the office staff are in the dark over how gtfc's representatives voted which explains why there hasn't been any kind of official statement yet. Bit disappointing that whoever is in Portugal hasn't felt the need to keep club staff and supporters back home informed, but if it's Fenty over there voting for us then that's no real suprise.


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The petition is doing the rounds on FB.  Most Trust Board members have signed it including those currently at the Euros. Please sign and share the hell out of it...

Oh and whilst you are at it drop the Trust an e-mail stating your unequivocal opposition...


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Personally can't wait for the day the trust run the club
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Didn't someone say it was all done last year which if that was the case we were still in the conference and wouldn't have voted.




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I would go as far as to say that if we find out the Dear Leader voted in favour of this, then there should be a putsch to depose him from his position at the club and get someone else to be Chairman.  

No-one can doubt his enthusiasm and determination to get us back in the league, but as a football administrator the man hasn't got a clue.  No doubt we'll be treated to another interview live from Zsa Zsa Gabor's boudoir telling us why the arrangement is in our interests, but unless it transpires he voted against, I'm afraid it's time to be rid of the man.
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Does anybody actually know if GTFC got to vote or are we just guessing? We are back in the league by how long surely the decision was made before we had that AMAZING day back in may? Utm
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Of course we did - the vote (& debate) was held yesterday, as confirmed by statements released by some of the clubs who can hold their heads high and opposed it.

All quiet in the Fenty household - I'd be releasing a statement before your silence digs yourself a hole you can't climb out of.
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Oxford and Bristol Rovers have confirmed they voted against. That's 8 clubs out of 48 who have voted against. We can't give this one up until we find out which way the club has voted. If we've agreed to it then Fenty deserves all the stick he'll get. His one saving grace is that despite his terrible decision making he appears to have the club's best interests at heart. If he's voted for this he can no longer claim that this is the case.
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No excuses, if Fenty and/or any other board member voted for this they should be asked to step down from their position. They clearly have no relationship or understanding of their supporters.

If it is JF, and I don't know for sure it was, then he has to go. His loans are benign and they cannot be repaid until the club can afford to do so. We CAN have a well run club without an annual payment from him so all we are losing is his experience, and his regular gaffs.

Let the chains off and move the club into trustworthy hands!
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No excuses, if Fenty and/or any other board member voted for this they should be asked to step down from their position. They clearly have no relationship or understanding of their supporters.

If it is JF, and I don't know for sure it was, then he has to go. His loans are benign and they cannot be repaid until the club can afford to do so. We CAN have a well run club without an annual payment from him so all we are losing is his experience, and his regular gaffs.

Let the chains off and move the club into trustworthy hands!


I normally dismay at some of the knee jerk, impulsive reactions on this board but in this case I couldn't agree more. If JF has voted for this then it's a slap in the face of every supporter and of the proud history of this club.
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No excuses, if Fenty and/or any other board member voted for this they should be asked to step down from their position. They clearly have no relationship or understanding of their supporters.

If it is JF, and I don't know for sure it was, then he has to go. His loans are benign and they cannot be repaid until the club can afford to do so. We CAN have a well run club without an annual payment from him so all we are losing is his experience, and his regular gaffs.

Let the chains off and move the club into trustworthy hands!


So are you going to put the 100k -150k per year he props the club up with, cant see the trust or the fans raising this extra every season
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Look, you horrid little bootlicker, don't be under the impression that Fenty thinks any more of you than he does the rest of us nobodies. You can knock your infatuation with him on the head, it's becoming embarrassing.

The fans have the right to hear how the individuals representing the club have voted. We need to be told who voted, how they voted, and why.

A generally anonymous little jolly-up in the sunshine, I bet they thought fans across the country would let this one slide again and they'd be able to slope off back to their offices without being questioned. How wrong they were.
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So are you going to put the 100k -150k per year he props the club up with, cant see the trust or the fans raising this extra every season


we could just run up a bill we cant afford and go into admin...next stop Premier League !!


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Look, you horrid little bootlicker, don't be under the impression that Fenty thinks any more of you than he does the rest of us nobodies. You can knock your infatuation with him on the head, it's becoming embarrassing.

The fans have the right to hear how the individuals representing the club have voted. We need to be told who voted, how they voted, and why.

A generally anonymous little jolly-up in the sunshine, I bet they thought fans across the country would let this one slide again and they'd be able to slope off back to their offices without being questioned. How wrong they were.


No need for name calling, I was just asking the question, I dont for one minute think this decision is the right one and If and it is an IF at this point the representatives of GTFC voted for this then yes I think an explanation of why they felt it was the best for the club but as we dont know who voted and how they voted I think its a bit early to start a mutiny.


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No excuses, if Fenty and/or any other board member voted for this they should be asked to step down from their position. They clearly have no relationship or understanding of their supporters.

If it is JF, and I don't know for sure it was, then he has to go. His loans are benign and they cannot be repaid until the club can afford to do so. We CAN have a well run club without an annual payment from him so all we are losing is his experience, and his regular gaffs.

Let the chains off and move the club into trustworthy hands!


Wouldn't it make more sense to explain to JF why he's wrong and try to change his mind? We have an active Trust with members on the board. To demand he steps down with no way of enforcing it and no alternative to replace him seems unhelpful. JF seems to be looking at the financial numbers. If there is a complete boycott of these ridiculous B-team games, which I hope there will be, then he will realise this isn't a good option. Having said that I've no idea how he, or the many other voters, could possibly think this was a good idea in the first place and it's totally embarrassing.
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we could just run up a bill we cant afford and go into admin...next stop Premier League !!


I for one would not ever want to go back to that Tinpot League, Longest 6 years ever.
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The ultimate irony would be to see two of the academy teams make it through to the final, played out in front of, ooooh, a thousand or so "fans". Biggest crock of sh1te I've heard in years. Anybody running a book yet on which way our JF voted?


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So are you going to put the 100k -150k per year he props the club up with, cant see the trust or the fans raising this extra every season


It is NOT  needed Rob if the club was run on a sounder footing. The majority of fans don't want more debt, and if any was needed in the last financial year then that goes to prove my point.

I don't think it is fair getting into a discussion with a one eyed man, JF hasn't set me up in business, if he had I may have to toe the party line  
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Wouldn't it make more sense to explain to JF why he's wrong and try to change his mind? We have an active Trust with members on the board. To demand he steps down with no way of enforcing it and no alternative to replace him seems unhelpful. JF seems to be looking at the financial numbers. If there is a complete boycott of these ridiculous B-team games, which I hope there will be, then he will realise this isn't a good option. Having said that I've no idea how he, or the many other voters, could possibly think this was a good idea in the first place and it's totally embarrassing.


Exactly, we have 2 Trust board members who were NOT consulted. I firstly want the board spokesman to explain that!!!

IF it is JF who has voted then he has NO understanding of the fans.

BTW would we need to replace him? There are 5 other directors aren't there? Run the club within its means then we don't need a sugar daddy with no concept of anything other than figures.
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It is NOT  needed Rob if the club was run on a sounder footing. The majority of fans don't want more debt, and if any was needed in the last financial year then that goes to prove my point.

I don't think it is fair getting into a discussion with a one eyed man, JF hasn't set me up in business, if he had I may have to toe the party line  


JF did not set me up in business and I don't tow the party line as you put it, But in the past  if we wanted a competitive playing budget then money had to be put in to the club by the Trust and other board members, I was only trying to point out that I could not see the trust or other board members putting that sort of  shortfall in.
I would love to see the club live within its means or even start to make a profit but this is football so come Christmas the fans and  possibly the manager always want new faces and that comes at a cost.

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Should we not wait for the clubs response on this matter before we jump to conclusions and start putting a noose around someone's neck?


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Wouldn't it make more sense to explain to JF why he's wrong and try to change his mind? We have an active Trust with members on the board. To demand he steps down with no way of enforcing it and no alternative to replace him seems unhelpful. JF seems to be looking at the financial numbers. If there is a complete boycott of these ridiculous B-team games, which I hope there will be, then he will realise this isn't a good option. Having said that I've no idea how he, or the many other voters, could possibly think this was a good idea in the first place and it's totally embarrassing.


If he's the sort of person to make a decision like this without consulting his colleagues on the board then he's not going to listen to reason.


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Should we not wait for the clubs response on this matter before we jump to conclusions and start putting a noose around someone's neck?


They need to be quicker off the blocks than this. They're quick to push out all sort of balderdash regarding gambling adverts.


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The petition is doing the rounds on FB.  Most Trust Board members have signed it including those currently at the Euros. Please sign and share the hell out of it...

Oh and whilst you are at it drop the Trust an e-mail stating your unequivocal opposition...



enquiries@marinerstrust.co.uk

http://www.twitter.com/@MarinersTrust%20

http://www.facebook.com/MarinersTrust



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Looking forward to our illustrious leader shedding some light on this situation in the morning.

We need to keep the pressure up on this.
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Apparently the Hartlepool chairman has stated on twitter he'll put tickets for Trophy fixtures up to £100 each to prevent people coming & supporting the idea.

That's leadership. That's someone who understands the value of fans and their views. That's someone with principles and someone with a bit of nous.


I notice that Chesterfield have released a statement claiming that they were against the proposals...but voted in support of it anyway!   You couldn't write it. I hope those at GTFC aren't thinking that a similar sentiment is going to appease fans (if that's the way they've ended up voting, of course, we can only speculate at the moment) tomorrow.
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Apparently the Hartlepool chairman has stated on twitter he'll put tickets for Trophy fixtures up to £100 each to prevent people coming & supporting the idea.

That's leadership. That's someone who understands the value of fans and their views. That's someone with principles and someone with a bit of nous.


I notice that Chesterfield have released a statement claiming that they were against the proposals...but voted in support of it anyway!   You couldn't write it. I hope those at GTFC aren't thinking that a similar sentiment is going to appease fans (if that's the way they've ended up voting, of course, we can only speculate at the moment) tomorrow.


http://www.chesterfield-fc.co......evealed-3141089.aspx
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Just seen the "statement" released on the website  

I'll stop short of saying "absolutely gutless & utterly insulting" right now, as I'm expecting some actual explanation a bit further on.
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It looks like a cut and paste of a brief news report in a regional newspaper!

Pretty much no doubt now that we voted in favour. As always, Fenty's eye would have been on the bottom line and the increase in prize money (i.e. 30 pieces of silver) would no doubt have made him think it was a great idea. Clueless as usual, of course.
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Typical Tory. Knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Massive own goal and a little bit more of me just turned off from football.
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Surely the club need to clarify what has gone on. If a decision has been made without consultation with the trust, it goes to show that the arrangement with members being on the board is only for show.
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It's simple, I won't purchase a season ticket until Fenty comes out and explains his decision on why he wants to destroy lower league football.
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Just sent the following e-mail to john@gtfc.co.uk:

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Dear Mr Fenty,

As a concerned Grimsby Town supporter and season ticket holder, I'm worried that the recent vote by League One & Two clubs to allow Premier League Under 21 teams into the EFL Trophy for a trial period in the upcoming season will be used as a precedent to shoe-horn Premier League "B-Teams" into a re-organised future Football League structure. I can think of nothing less appealing in football than watching the Grimsby Town first team playing against Premier League reserves and youth team players, and I intend to boycott all EFL Trophy fixtures to register my opposition to this development.

Based on my own interest, and those of fellow concerned supporters, I would be very grateful if you could briefly clarify the following issues:

1) Who represented Grimsby Town Football Club at last week's EFL Summer Conference?
2) Did GTFC's representative vote for or against the inclusion of Premier League U21 teams in the EFL Trophy during the 2016-17 season?
3) How was this decision reached?

Thank you very much for your time.

Best Wishes
MY NAME


Fingers crossed for a detailed response.


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I cannot hide my utter contempt for the person(s) who voted on behalf of GTFC.

We have a board of Directors who we are told discuss and, if appropriate, vote on matters to form the clubs opinion. Each board member has equal voting strengths i.e. one man one vote.

I understand that not only were other board members not consulted, the majority didn't even know the meeting was taking place ( Don't get me started on having it in Portugal FFS).

That smacks to me of deliberately trying to keep board members in the dark , that is a very slippery slope and destroys any working relationship in one swoop.

When there was talk a year or so ago about 'B' teams joining the new structure that WAS discussed at board level and the position was made very clear that The Trust were against it. Was that the reason why nobody mentioned it this time?

The decision may have been made from a financial point of view (?) but to balance that I will not be renewing my season ticket (if at all) until the fans get a proper answer from those who voted on behalf of GTFC.

There should be a huge feel good factor about the return to the FL but, once again someone comes along with ill thought out and ill timed remarks or decisions which scupper that.

So, so sad that the hierarchy are so far out of touch with the fans and despite having fans on the board their views weren't even asked for. Shocking treatment of the Trust and fans in general.

It really is making me consider whether I can be bothered anymore after holding season ticket(s) for many decades.
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I am not sure we actually need to get that bothered about this, we have all the games back in league 2 to look forward towards, we are back in the League cup round 1, and we go into round 1 of the FA Cup, these 3 i have mentioned are so important to all of us, in reality how many of us are really that bothered about going to pay & watch the Football league Trophy, in my mind it is just as bad as the F A Trophy, it gets in the way, in my mind lets get knocked out in round 1 & focus on the most important games.
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I am not sure we actually need to get that bothered about this, we have all the games back in league 2 to look forward towards, we are back in the League cup round 1, and we go into round 1 of the FA Cup, these 3 i have mentioned are so important to all of us, in reality how many of us are really that bothered about going to pay & watch the Football league Trophy, in my mind it is just as bad as the F A Trophy, it gets in the way, in my mind lets get knocked out in round 1 & focus on the most important games.


In my view it is a HUGE issue.

The Trust and the fans have been sidestepped at best and treated as idiots.
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Petition signed and have emailed Trust.


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It's a one-year trial so if there is a large-scale boycott then fans can vote with their feet. Some people might even picket games.


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I am not sure we actually need to get that bothered about this, we have all the games back in league 2 to look forward towards, we are back in the League cup round 1, and we go into round 1 of the FA Cup, these 3 i have mentioned are so important to all of us, in reality how many of us are really that bothered about going to pay & watch the Football league Trophy, in my mind it is just as bad as the F A Trophy, it gets in the way, in my mind lets get knocked out in round 1 & focus on the most important games.


The reason you should be bothered about it is because it is the thin end of the wedge.

Allowing Premier League B teams to enter the Football League Trophy is a step closer towards implementing the flawed 'League 3' proposals and the effective dismantling of the English football pyramid.

What next - B Teams in League 2? How would you feel if they were admitted and we got relegated from the league again because we lost too many games to Chelsea B, Arsenal B etc?  Would you be bothered  if that happens?   How about B Teams in the FA Cup as well as A teams?  Where does it stop?

But it's not just the vote to allow it that is a disgrace - it's the way the vote was held.

The League lowered the threshold for acceptance in the ballot to 75 per cent. At least seven of the 48 clubs voted against, the proposal would not have passed using the League's normal voting threshold of 90 per cent.

The whole thing is a disgraceful fait accomplis and if GTFC signed up to it then the club has let its fans down and should be ashamed because it did not necessarily represent the majority view.

You should probabaly be bothered about the way GTFC decided how it's going to vote as well.  But until we hear from the club how the decision was reached there's no point speculating about that.



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I am not sure we actually need to get that bothered about this, we have all the games back in league 2 to look forward towards, we are back in the League cup round 1, and we go into round 1 of the FA Cup, these 3 i have mentioned are so important to all of us, in reality how many of us are really that bothered about going to pay & watch the Football league Trophy, in my mind it is just as bad as the F A Trophy, it gets in the way, in my mind lets get knocked out in round 1 & focus on the most important games.


You can't get knocked our in Round 1 as they are groups of 4 at the start. That's either 3 or 6 games. We don't know the details yet, like what time of years the games are, will postponed games be replayed.

The club could just use it as a replacement for the reserves.


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I can honestly say that this bothers me in the slightest. In fact it is quite a refreshing change to what was otherwise a really rank and meaningless competition.

It will be quite nice to see some of the young talent play from Premier League clubs.

As for the club's vote. Couldn't care less about that either. If we voted against it, we would still have had to accept the overall vote and we would still be playing in the competition anyway.

If I would have asked you at Wembley "would you like to win today and get promoted and play in the Football League, Football League Cup, FA Cup and the new Football League Trophy format - or would you rather remain as a National League Club?", then what do you think your answer would have been.

We are what we are, a powerless lower league club and we have to play in whatever competitions that we have to. It's still football and it is still Grimsby Town Football Club, and that is all that matters to me.
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You're literally wrong about everything you post on here though, so no surprises there.


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I can honestly say that this bothers me in the slightest. In fact it is quite a refreshing change to what was otherwise a really rank and meaningless competition.

It will be quite nice to see some of the young talent play from Premier League clubs.

As for the club's vote. Couldn't care less about that either. If we voted against it, we would still have had to accept the overall vote and we would still be playing in the competition anyway.

If I would have asked you at Wembley "would you like to win today and get promoted and play in the Football League, Football League Cup, FA Cup and the new Football League Trophy format - or would you rather remain as a National League Club?", then what do you think your answer would have been.

We are what we are, a powerless lower league club and we have to play in whatever competitions that we have to. It's still football and it is still Grimsby Town Football Club, and that is all that matters to me.


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I can honestly say that this bothers me in the slightest. In fact it is quite a refreshing change to what was otherwise a really rank and meaningless competition.

It will be quite nice to see some of the young talent play from Premier League clubs.

As for the club's vote. Couldn't care less about that either. If we voted against it, we would still have had to accept the overall vote and we would still be playing in the competition anyway.

If I would have asked you at Wembley "would you like to win today and get promoted and play in the Football League, Football League Cup, FA Cup and the new Football League Trophy format - or would you rather remain as a National League Club?", then what do you think your answer would have been.

We are what we are, a powerless lower league club and we have to play in whatever competitions that we have to. It's still football and it is still Grimsby Town Football Club, and that is all that matters to me.


Look guys you click as many red crosses and throw as many insults as you wish. I still have my opinion and that is that.

I have paid up as a life member of the Mariners Trust some years ago, I go to games and so I am a supporter. Now just because my opinion doesn't necessarily agree with yours, doesn't make my opinion any less relevant.

Would I have been happy with the old EFL Trophy format? Yes I would.

Am I any less happy about the new EFL Trophy format? No I am not, I am still happy.

Do I think we will eventually see the EFL changed to include Premier League B teams? No I don't.

So as I see it, this is a lot of people over reacting and getting their knickers in a twist over nowt. As I have said already, if this had been voted in favour prior to our return to the EFL, I would be still over the moon that my beloved Grimsby Town are back in the EFL.

I can remember games in the old Auto Windscreen and JPT Trophy when the attendance was embarrassing, with nobody being really interested until we got to a quarter final game. If I am not mistaken, the lack of interest in this competition even at times made it necessary to keep sections of the ground closed.

I would seriously suggest that we get a grip and look forward to a fantastic and exciting season in the Football League after 7 years of misery (including the relegation season). Oddly enough I am so looking forward to taking my 7 year old son to watch his first ever Football League game.
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Knowing PH he'll treat this with the same enthusiasm as he did the FAT


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Don't know who Ascend is or whether he/she really exists-if they do, take your head from up your backside and think it through.

Trawler has summarised the position

The Chief Executive of the EFL is a dangerous man and must be stopped.

The GTFC club's position on this is ridiculous
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Don't know who Ascend is or whether he/she really exists-if they do, take your head from up your backside and think it through.

Trawler has summarised the position

The Chief Executive of the EFL is a dangerous man and must be stopped.

The GTFC club's position on this is ridiculous


Met the poster known as Ascend before the FA trophy final so can confirm they really exist and are a proper Town fan who helped sort me out with a ticket for the game, so no need I think to resort to questioning their motives.  I disagree with them totally on B-teams as think this is a very dangerous precedent and is as others have said simply a wedge to get B-teams into the league, this becomes very clear to me once you look at how swiftly on the heels it has followed the reformating the footbal league proposals with its extra spaces in the league but no mention of who will fill them.  
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just read this
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/06/football-league-trophy-feature-premier-league-21-teams-201617/

if liverpool can say they dont want to be in it can league 1 and 2 clubs do the same?

Were all aware that Prem clubs already play b teams in the early rounds of the Europa league,league cup and FA cup.
I couldnt give a rats behind about premier league clubs overbuying players so maybe the fa should limit the amount of players a club can stockpile. The retained list for prem teams was released last week and im gobsmacked how many players some of the rich clubs think they need.
Chelsea alone could field 6 teams with suband thats seen as ok. Why not limit total squad size to 50?
How many players have come through the academys and broken into the first teams?
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Look guys you click as many red crosses and throw as many insults as you wish. I still have my opinion and that is that.

I have paid up as a life member of the Mariners Trust some years ago, I go to games and so I am a supporter. Now just because my opinion doesn't necessarily agree with yours, doesn't make my opinion any less relevant.

Would I have been happy with the old EFL Trophy format? Yes I would.

Am I any less happy about the new EFL Trophy format? No I am not, I am still happy.

Do I think we will eventually see the EFL changed to include Premier League B teams? No I don't.

So as I see it, this is a lot of people over reacting and getting their knickers in a twist over nowt. As I have said already, if this had been voted in favour prior to our return to the EFL, I would be still over the moon that my beloved Grimsby Town are back in the EFL.

I can remember games in the old Auto Windscreen and JPT Trophy when the attendance was embarrassing, with nobody being really interested until we got to a quarter final game. If I am not mistaken, the lack of interest in this competition even at times made it necessary to keep sections of the ground closed.

I would seriously suggest that we get a grip and look forward to a fantastic and exciting season in the Football League after 7 years of misery (including the relegation season). Oddly enough I am so looking forward to taking my 7 year old son to watch his first ever Football League game.



So you think it's acceptable that between every representative at every club in leagues 1 and 2, the absolute best solution they could muster to improve the competition is to introduce 16 teams of teenagers from much-loved Prem clubs? I'd suggest it's a lazy, ill-conceived idea from people with no understanding of the people they take money off each week.

I wonder how much thought has been given to the financial benefit of this? Any projections on potential income? Seems to me like someone's sat there and said "they're offering us a million quid to ease in B Teams, let's take it".
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It's a male masturbation Trophy anyway , and that coming from a fan of a team that's been to two finals.
When I first read this I thought they meant the league Cup , that would have been a urine take
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Look guys you click as many red crosses and throw as many insults as you wish. I still have my opinion and that is that.

I have paid up as a life member of the Mariners Trust some years ago, I go to games and so I am a supporter. Now just because my opinion doesn't necessarily agree with yours, doesn't make my opinion any less relevant.

Would I have been happy with the old EFL Trophy format? Yes I would.

Am I any less happy about the new EFL Trophy format? No I am not, I am still happy.

Do I think we will eventually see the EFL changed to include Premier League B teams? No I don't.

So as I see it, this is a lot of people over reacting and getting their knickers in a twist over nowt. As I have said already, if this had been voted in favour prior to our return to the EFL, I would be still over the moon that my beloved Grimsby Town are back in the EFL.

I can remember games in the old Auto Windscreen and JPT Trophy when the attendance was embarrassing, with nobody being really interested until we got to a quarter final game. If I am not mistaken, the lack of interest in this competition even at times made it necessary to keep sections of the ground closed.

I would seriously suggest that we get a grip and look forward to a fantastic and exciting season in the Football League after 7 years of misery (including the relegation season). Oddly enough I am so looking forward to taking my 7 year old son to watch his first ever Football League game.


Out of interest, what do you think is stopping premier league B teams appearing in the football league?

As far as I can see, the league's governors are very keen on pushing ahead with the idea and it is only supporters' groups and teams with large representation by supporters' groups who are in their way.


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Do you know what the Premier League sees when they look at lower league fans? Potential customers who are not putting money into the vast pot of cash they already have. They want it all and we have to stop them. The games hierarchy have already devalued the European Cup by letting in more teams and laughingly calling it the Champions League, when in reality, it can be won by a team that are anything but champions. They have just done it at the Euros by letting in more teams and making it easier to qualify from the group stages. More matches means more money and less chance of the glamour teams flipping it up and going home early. Now they want to introduce a frigging league system to the Football League Trophy to shoehorn in Premier League U21 sides. They can intercourse right off for me and i will fight it all the way. This has taken the shine off promotion and i'm really drunk off right now.
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Pardon my ignorance, but is this a separate competition to the League Cup? If so is it needed at all?
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Pardon my ignorance, but is this a separate competition to the League Cup? If so is it needed at all?


Yes, different competition with less teams but they are clearly testing the waters here and it won't end with this competition if it's not nipped in the bud.
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Please do not forget that we are being led by a devious unscrupulous group of people at EFL-they will not stop unless fans stop them.

Use your voice to add to the petition, and vote with your feet, and hands held firmly onto your wallets. That is the only language they understand.
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Please do not forget that we are being led by a devious unscrupulous group of people at EFL-they will not stop unless fans stop them.

Use your voice to add to the petition, and vote with your feet, and hands held firmly onto your wallets. That is the only language they understand.


Is it though? It's not about getting people through the turnstiles, they've admitted attendances are low as it is. It's about worldwide tv viewers. Most of the big boys have their own tv channels I have noticed which they have to fill with something. I guess it's these games that they want to televise, either with a mainstream subscription channel like Sky/BT/Prem Sport, or through the club's own channels and we'd play the part of a rent-a-crowd.


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Think Rob is right there. It's all about promoting the brand to them and i notice the word stakeholders was used in that piece on Mariners Player. That word should tell you all you need to know.

It's also worth saying that the 1 million pounds they have put into the competition is equivalent to about  £20,000 for each club. We as fans raised nearly 6 times that for our club last season before a ball was kicked and the club ought to have a serious think about that.
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Don't know who Ascend is or whether he/she really exists-if they do, take your head from up your backside and think it through


Who the effin hell do you think you are. I couldn't care less whether you think I exist or not. You need to have a little look at yourself talking down to people like that.

It's a forum, a discussion board. A place for opinions.

When an opinion doesn't meet with yours, doesn't mean you have to get on your high horse with verbal rubbish
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tut tut ascend
Hit a nerve did I?
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Club statement in the morning. That should calm things down
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Club statement in the morning. That should calm things down


Where did you get that from Heads?


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Club statement in the morning. That should calm things down


Should be interesting.


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Should be interesting.


Statement Bingo !!

No comment
Due to our belated invite as the newest League club there wasnt time to have a full board meeting before we voted yes to the money.
While we understand this is an emotive issue for fans i (we) have to look at the overall viability of the football club.
The fans should be grateful we are in this competition at all.
We voted no to the proposal, but we can reveal Scunny voted yes.
I have put my own personal fortune into the club and the extra monies from this one season proposal only minimise any additional benign loans i may have to make.
The club have done a deal with Hull to have access to their squad players in return for voting yes.
The fans dont understand the running of a football club on a daily basis.



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Club statement in the morning. That should calm things down


The other side of the coin, sounds like the competition is in danger of folding.


Notts County Club statement -

Notts County have revealed that they voted in favour of Premier League academy teams taking part in the EFL Trophy next season.

In what will be a one-season trial, 16 tier one academy teams - most of which are in the top flight - will join the competition, formerly known as the Johnstone's Paint Trophy, alongside League One and League Two teams.

In a statement on the official Notts website, a statement said: "The discussion at the EFL Conference confirmed the competition is in serious need of innovation to survive and a number of clubs even stated they would consider withdrawing from the competition if it was not boosted.

"Many clubs struggle to break even from EFL Trophy matches, and numerous clubs voiced genuine concerns the competition would fold if it does not improve quickly, as the prize money and TV interest is low.

"Notts County supported the decision to trial a solution to save the competition, which currently does not have a sponsor. This is for a set period of one year and if the proposals do not work, they will not be renewed for the following season. The prize money for the competition will be doubled for next season.

"This is not in any way opening the door to Premier League 'B Teams' entering the league structure and Notts County would be vehemently against any such proposals.

"While some supporters will disagree with the proposed changes, after careful consideration and discussion, we felt that it was important to explore ways to boost the competition and ensure that it could continue."

The changes, which include the introduction of a group stage, were voted for by more than 50 percent of clubs in the bottom two tiers of the Football League and will see the Premier League increase the prize fund by £1m.



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Where did you get that from Heads?


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There's a lot of emotional blackmail coming out of clubs about the competition possibly having to fold - I don't mean to be blunt, but who actually cares?

It's hardly an illustrious, highly-coveted prize. Managers see it as an inconvenience, players aren't arsed about it, it won't pull in any TV viewers and they've even said themselves that many clubs LOSE money just by taking part. So you have to ask yourself, what actually is the point? Is the only benefit to offer lower league clubs the chance to play at Wembley?

Maybe it's better to let the competition die with some dignity than go down the B Team route, and maybe those at the football league should be having a look at themselves for allowing this situation to arise on their watch.
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If the competition isn't working then scrap it. It's idiotic to support this whilst claiming you would reject B teams entering the league. The two are clearly closely linked together. Either club chairmen are stupid or they think fans are. I suspect town's statement tomorrow will be equally patronising.
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Ska face, I can't believe you say you don't care if the competition folds. Whilst I agree in the overall scheme of things the competition isn't for many a highlight and can be a fixture list nuisance, but cast your mind back to 1998 please and reconsider your thoughts. We are so used to wembley over the last few years we have been spoilt.but if like me you were there that day against Bournemouth when Wayne hit that golden goal winner, and you had lived and witnessed a dream of yours like many of us did that day then it really didn't matter what the name if the trophy was or how much money it made the club, it was about being there and ultimately winning something. There are many supporters out there in the lower leagues would love to experience what we did that day, and for that reason plus others the competition needs to continue, but I prefer the current format and would not want to see academy and b team players from top clubs entering.


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Poor league clubs struggling to break even, how the hell do they manage in non league with the FA trophy.


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Hang on a minute, the other week when they were pushing for League3, they argued it was to cut fixture congestion.  Now they're adding extra games to perpetuate a competition they admit isn't viable?

Could it just be that the real motivation lies in the common denominator between the two proposals: Premier League B teams?

If Premier League Clubs need to give their youngsters game time, they can send them on loan to other teams, such as when Beckham went to PNE, or when Appleton came to us. Or the FA could insist Academies teach foreign languages so our young players feel more confident going abroad for a bit of experience.
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Ska face, I can't believe you say you don't care if the competition folds. Whilst I agree in the overall scheme of things the competition isn't for many a highlight and can be a fixture list nuisance, but cast your mind back to 1998 please and reconsider your thoughts. We are so used to wembley over the last few years we have been spoilt.but if like me you were there that day against Bournemouth when Wayne hit that golden goal winner, and you had lived and witnessed a dream of yours like many of us did that day then it really didn't matter what the name if the trophy was or how much money it made the club, it was about being there and ultimately winning something. There are many supporters out there in the lower leagues would love to experience what we did that day, and for that reason plus others the competition needs to continue, but I prefer the current format and would not want to see academy and b team players from top clubs entering.


That was 1998. Times and monies have moved on
Even so, it's not that the end result to one team isn't worth it to that team, it's all the f@rting about that is being done to the early stages. That's where the inconvenience and pointlessness is and where the money is going down the pan in badly attended early rounds. But trying to fix the early rounds problem with Prem youth sides is a pathetic idea only useful to, er oooh let me think, ah yes, Prem youth sides.



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The competition may well be dying but the waffle to accept this as a positive in the club statement (& other clubs too) shows a complete and utter disregard for the fans (no surprise)

I am not sure I can believe the club statement that the papers weren't available until they arrived in Portugal? If that was the case surely the clubs should have said we need more time? Are GTFC saying it was only available to them upon arrival at the Conference? Maybe because we had only just been promoted they didnt tell us?Seems a bit far fetched to me.

Maybe that was why it was supposedly sprung on them, to get it pushed through by the absurdly named EFL?

We had THREE directors on a jolly in Portugal yet the TWO Trust reps didnt even know the meeting was taking place let alone having any input to items on the agenda. That is a huge slap in the face for the Trust and the fanbase.

I am a supporter of the Trust and were grateful that they were having a big say in the running of the club.  It seems that I was wrong and that Fenty and the rest of the board are simply paying lip service to them and the Trust movement. Would not surprise me if there was fall out from this and resignations follow.

This last point is more important to me than the vote itself. We CAN & must ensure this one year trial is a failure and thrown out in 12 months time but the repercussions for The Mariners Trust and their treatment by JF and others is a bigger concern.
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Yes this idea about young English players getting game time is nonsense, it's been around for years and it's called the loan market.


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After originally agreeing to under 21 sides being allowed this has been changed today to under 23 sides with 4 overage players. And they told us it wasn't B teams!

Does anyone seriously think they won't try and put B Teams in the league unless we stop them?

This isn't what we voted for so even JF should support a total boycott.
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They will keep pushing and prodding to get what they want but  bloody hell, it's not even started yet and they are already changing the terms agreed to.
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Interesting article here

http://www.eurosport.com/footb.....o5667467/story.shtml

For those who can't be bothered to read here are some key bits

"AL3 has regularly canvassed supporters and sought their opinion, as have organisations like Supporters Direct. "Our studies show over 75% of lower league fans are against the implementation of B teams."

"EFL chief executive Shaun Harvey has revealed invites to compete in next season's EFL Trophy will be sent to the 15 Premier League clubs with category-one academy status and Newcastle United, as they finished higher in the league pyramid last season than the five clubs with category-one status in the EFL. If any of those clubs turn down the chance to join the competition - which will feature 16 groups of four, arranged on a north/south basis, before becoming a knock-out tournament with the winners of the northern and southern halves meeting at Wembley - Norwich City, the next-best finisher last season, will be invited."

"Contrary to what was discussed at the EFL AGM in Portugal three weeks ago, the invited clubs will be able to field U23 teams, not U21s, with three outfield overage players and a goalkeeper."

"Harvey also said penalties will be used to settle draws in the group games, with the successful team earning an extra point. Knockout games tied after 90 minutes will also go straight to penalties. Harvey added that scrapping extra time will be reviewed for the semi-finals and final "if there is a compelling or commercially attractive reason" to do so, and if the additional 30 minutes was called for a fourth substitute would be allowed."

The bit I've highlighted sums the whole thing up. Makes me sick. I hope the Trust continue to lobby JF on this. Take him to Portugal and give him loads of free booze if necessary - that usually seems to do the trick.
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http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/bteamboycott-signup/



Following the release of The EFL’s announcement of EFL Trophy changes – many campaign supporters told us we need to boycott the competition. As such we created the #BTeamBoycott – you can sign up to the boycott below. The more people who sign up to the #BTeamBoycott – the stronger our response can be.

Should you boycott the entire competition – or just games against B-Teams? That is totally up to you. Choosing to boycott a game your club is participating in is a serious decision – and we do not ask you to take it lightly. AL3 understands you may be reluctant to do this – or a game may form part of a loyalty scheme – or any one of a hundred reasons why you may feel compelled to attend these games.

Please avoid whatever games  you are willing to  – but we particularly ask you make an effort to not attend games against B-Teams.

Also – please do not pressure or harass other fans who say they will attend. We do not wants fans to turn on each other – and is not the way we want to run the boycott. Be polite, helpful and informative if anyone disagrees – it is a far better way to get them on our side. Some peaceful and friendly demonstrations may be held outside grounds but plans for this will come much later.

AL3 will be attending the Supporters Summit at Wembley on Saturday 16th July where the EFL Trophy changes will be a key discussion point.

What are we really hoping to achieve? We hope that clubs and the leagues can not simply rampage through our pyramid making up serious changes as they go along – especially when the changes are primarily designed to help any entities outside the EFL.

Please join the #BTeamBoycott – tell whoever you can. Bonus points for posting it on your clubs forum – this is one of the best ways we gain traffic.

Your personal details: All use of personal details is described in our privacy policy. Your full name will not be published – but will be available to AL3. AL3 may pass the named signatures of this petition to The Football League and it’s member clubs – but we will never send your contact details/emails.
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Thanks for that. Hopefully clubs will rethink when they realise we're serious about boycotting.
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We need a concerted boycott effort for this.  Publicity. Leaflet games pre- and early season games.


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Top #BTeamBoycott sign ups so far in order 1) Bradford, 2) Doncaster, 3) Grimsby, 4) Crewe, 5) Oxford, 6) Southend

We're in 3rd place. Would be nice to beat the yorkies and get top spot!
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Town now top of the table for boycott signups

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Top of the League and the season hasn't started yet. Superb, keep it going folks!


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Full on boycott is the only thing I can see working for this.  

Fans have to show that they alone have the power to make or kill a competition.
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The fundamental issue here (IMO) is that football has become a business, and the people at the top are businesspeople. Their narrow-minded focus is on increasing profits - the more money coming in, the more 'successful' they have been in their role. As a few posters have mentioned, lower league fans are viewed as part of the football market, but they are buying the 'wrong' brands. Therefore a marketing exercise is undertaken (such as this) in an attempt to induce them to switch brand loyalty. It's about increasing the turnover of the large clubs - and if the small ones wither....well that's a successful outcome for the accountant-brains now running our sport, the lower league fans will HAVE TO change brands, won't they?


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