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AlanPoutonsTackle
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Ok bear with me.
I think at the moment has come the biggest turning point in the history of GTFC, as we look at the last 5 years in non league football what have we got.
One thing is definite considering the size and economic constraints in the Town, I think we have maintained an above average level of continued support through the terraces. That is a massive respect to the Town fans on here regardless of views on John Fenty and current/previous managers.
John Fenty has made massive mistakes over the years. John is a fan but isn't a football mind. I've always been shocked that he hasn't sussed this out. I don't know if it is ego or bloody mindedness but he needs and has for a long time a football minded person to run the football side of the club.
John has indicated before he wishes he didn't have the club and would sell if he could. he's kind of stuck, no one wants it now or in the foreseeable future. The fact it is seen as a pink elephant will rub off inside the club. Wonder what it is like to work there.
The new ground fiasco is probably the worst run and most costly waste of time in football. The new ground is desperately needed but between the club and council has become rather boring. I don't personally think it will happen over the next 10 years. I may be proved wrong.
All fans wether pro on here or not are sick of seeing a once proud league club punching below their weight now one league above North Ferriby. A local village team.
Hand on heart I am now getting bored.  I accept clubs have low points but we have little to get excited about year in year out.
It is time now for either John Fenty to provide a reason for fans to get positive again and get the Fans going or to hand the club to the fans and lets see what happens. There are blueprints for success and if it doesn't work at least we did it our way because really this way isn't working.
What PH is doing again wether with or against is not working I have football coaching badges and have worked to some level in football. I certainly wouldn't do a better job but my hat isn't in the ring. But I can see lots of shortfalls in the mans ability and so can others with some football nouce, its not just opinion it is there to see like it or not. I wouldn't call him a clown and inept like I have seen on here but I have said before just not the man for this job.
So heres a question would people prefer GTFC to throw caution to the wind. get football people in and risk the future in an attempt to get this club going again, or would you prefer to stay sensible slug away and hope that what we have done for 5 years finally gets us back to some level of decent football.
Because at the moment if I am perfectly honest I'm moving toward the risk factor because supporting GTFC is now more habit than anything, and that hurts really.


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I appreciate some will say - oh no not another anti-JF and anti-PH thread - but APT makes some good football points here.

The club has not progressed in the last 5 seasons. It has just held its own in the Conference with what JF calls a "competitive budget". Another season in the Conference and the budget becomes a bit less competitive unless JF makes it so and that is how we will continue, hoping for either good fortune or a good fairy.

As far as the manager is concerned I have nothing against him personally, mainly because he is a fellow Yorkie ( ) but his managerial style and abilities seem to me to be very similar to those of Neil Woods. That is, a good coach and player spotter but without those specific skills that make a good manager in team building and tactics. Those skills are not learnable, you either have them or you don't.

Eventually some decision will have to be made about the future of the club. The only question is whether to make it sooner or later.


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We need an equivalent figure to Stuart Pearce in the dressing room pre-matches.

Look at the old Wimbledon tactics for upsetting opponents so that Premier players were intimidated.

Opponents come to Blundell Park knowing that we defend deep so they have a chance to dominate a game with fast passing and tough tactics.

That's why we are a good 15 points behind where we should be for this season - capitulation at home to potentially weaker teams from league positions.... until they come here !

A lack of shared goalscorers apart from the Shop - so 5 more goals in drawn games would yield 10 more points - another weakness !

Few set piece goals - rubbish corners and lousy free kicks mostly this year - other teams want these situations to happen as they are set up to score !

Pearson must wonder if he is wasting his time going up most matches ! Why can't these PROFESSIONALS kick a dead ball properly??

Q - do we train set pieces on the pitch where the corners are tight ?- ie simulate rear barriers at the training ground. An easy run up on a training ground pitch is far different from Blundell Park.

So frustrating knowing that the players have much more potential and are not realising their full form in matches !!
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I believe that JF's only chance is to deliver on the new ground. I think there is a far better chance of it going ahead than there has ever been.

IF that doesnt happen, and happen quickly especially in respect of getting green lights for detailed planning, then there will be a dramatically increased call for change.

Just a thought, and i havent got the answer, but we are told promotion is worth at least £750k per annum! Would it be worth a gamble of an additional £250k which would get FIVE top class Conference players on board.

IF you were JF would you consider that gamble? Did he try that the first year we were down here and failed because the way it was spent? Has that burnt his fingers.

Many want sustainability over gambling on our existence and that makes a lot of sense
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Which 5 top class defenders would Paul Hurst buy in ??  

For me, the Scott Brown role is paramount to the rest of the season..... in form, we have a dominant midfield, giving Disley and Clay chance to shine in a solid team spine... without, it's a struggle !!

2nd, the left hand side Neilsen / Thomas combination on form again, unstoppable when on song - opponents part like the Red Sea when they play together at pace, not had chance to see that recently.

is the form and confidence being coached out of them with 1-0 wins being a priority?

Sadly, the opponents don't read that script, and we struggle to score more than one, possibly two as present.

Fans would respect Hurst more if he set the team up in a more attacking mode at home from the start, and the players had their batteries on full charge from kick off.
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Quoted from BIGChris
I believe that JF's only chance is to deliver on the new ground. I think there is a far better chance of it going ahead than there has ever been.

IF that doesnt happen, and happen quickly especially in respect of getting green lights for detailed planning, then there will be a dramatically increased call for change.

Just a thought, and i havent got the answer, but we are told promotion is worth at least £750k per annum! Would it be worth a gamble of an additional £250k which would get FIVE top class Conference players on board.

IF you were JF would you consider that gamble? Did he try that the first year we were down here and failed because the way it was spent? Has that burnt his fingers.

Many want sustainability over gambling on our existence and that makes a lot of sense


Chris , absolutely it is worth the gamble and one that should be made.

crawley , Fleetwood and to an extent Mansfield all threw some money at getting in the league and it worked , some will say you don't have to as Cambridge and York got promoted without spending quite a lot but they had what we haven't which is better players in house and to an extent better managers.

we have been here for a few years and lets be honest the most we have spent in I thnk 30k on liam hearn and look what happened when we did that he got us 30 odd goals, yes he was then injured but it shows IF you spend it wisely you can pick up decent young players who will get you promotion eg jamie vardy just to name one, these players are out there and it is up to us to find him instead of looking for freebies all the time.

You can call these players investments which can get you promoted and make the club some money, for me it just depends on how much our club from the top wants promotion.

its a debate were some will say well were are you going to get the money from ? well I have no shame in saying I think it should come from the man at the top who hasn't give us much to shout about in his reign at Blundell park.


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Quoted from BIGChris
I believe that JF's only chance is to deliver on the new ground. I think there is a far better chance of it going ahead than there has ever been.

IF that doesnt happen, and happen quickly especially in respect of getting green lights for detailed planning, then there will be a dramatically increased call for change.

Just a thought, and i havent got the answer, but we are told promotion is worth at least £750k per annum! Would it be worth a gamble of an additional £250k which would get FIVE top class Conference players on board.

IF you were JF would you consider that gamble? Did he try that the first year we were down here and failed because the way it was spent? Has that burnt his fingers.

Many want sustainability over gambling on our existence and that makes a lot of sense


I would say that it has.  I will get back to him having his fingers burnt eventually but ....

Sitting in JF's shoes, you've lent the club £3million (irrespective of how that came about) and undoubtedly want it back.  The likelihood of someone coming to the club and buying him out is, IMO, pretty much nil when you factor in these loans.  

IMO, if I had the means to make an offer for the club I wouldn't be happy paying that £3million because of the way that it has been accrued, why should I pick up the tab for bad decisions that have been made by JF?  

I think the loans will be the ultimate stumbling block - it depends on how much of that £3million he wants back and how much someone is prepared to pay.

So, you've already stumped up £3million in the past, are you really going to put another 250k in??  

If you do, you have to have the right man sat in the managers chair.  JF's tried it in the past and it has failed because of the man he has employed as manager.

It's pretty pointless giving 250k to someone who will simply waste it.  You have to have full confidence in the manager to go out and spend that money wisely rather than fritter it away.  

I think that ultimately JF can only see his loans being repaid if the new stadium gets the go ahead.  How certain is he that it will happen this time?  

If I was JF I'd be keeping any additional funding to the absolute minimum until I knew the new stadium was actually happening because if it doesn't, I can't see anyone coming in and paying those loans off - and if it was me looking to take the club on I wouldn't want to pay those loans off, you'd just sweat him out until the fans effectively forced his hand into writing some/all of those loans off, which is what will happen if we stay in this league much longer and the new stadium plan gets vetoed for whatever reason.

I think until the club know for definite about the new stadium any additional funding from JF will be at an absolute minimum.

I agree in principle re that investment being worthwhile but unfortunately you've got to have the right manager at the club to spend that money, and without wishing to turn this into another anti-PH thread, I don't think we've got that with PH.

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Quoted from BIGChris
I believe that JF's only chance is to deliver on the new ground. I think there is a far better chance of it going ahead than there has ever been.

IF that doesnt happen, and happen quickly especially in respect of getting green lights for detailed planning, then there will be a dramatically increased call for change.

Just a thought, and i havent got the answer, but we are told promotion is worth at least £750k per annum! Would it be worth a gamble of an additional £250k which would get FIVE top class Conference players on board.

IF you were JF would you consider that gamble? Did he try that the first year we were down here and failed because the way it was spent? Has that burnt his fingers.

Many want sustainability over gambling on our existence and that makes a lot of sense


That is a fair point Chris. I think you are right about the first season we were down but he perhaps sees in Hurst the same problems that burnt his fingers with Woods. Does he really think he could trust this manager with that sort of cash given the track record so far? He might argue that he got his fingers burnt with an entirely different kind of manager in Newell of course and so is reluctant to go for a strong personality. It's a cleft stick whichever way you look at it.

Even if the new ground comes through it is no guarantee of future success on the field if the same principles of safety first are continued. Which is why I said on another thread that the club needs a instant boost to get it up to at least the next playing level. Carrying on in the Conference for another X years is really not an option either in a playing or a financial sense. It will simply drain his personal resources at a slower rate but ultimately by more cash. Sometime JF will have to bite the bullet and make some hard decisions about the budget and the manager. Sooner rather than later seems to me to be the better choice.


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No need for further cash investment although it would be nice, just manage the players we have now by employing an attack minded coach to work with what we have, no problems with the defence. just need new ideas up front IMO
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My big worry about all of this is that its highly unlikely that JF will call time on his involvement with
the club until at least a proportion of his 'benign' loans are paid back to him (and who will do that?) therefore
the only way he can recover anything financially is with his 'Enabler' (as he calls it) for a new stadium - i fear this is
doubtful, as many of the larger retailers are closing stores at the moment, not opening them and here lies the
worry - without a new stadium complex go ahead, or promotion, i honestly believe Mr Fenty will put this club on
a part time basis within 2 years and if that happens ,GTFC as we know it will be dead.















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