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mariner tommy
October 26, 2014, 7:34pm
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I think we did in the second half with Jack running to the goal line on on one side and Aswad pushing up further with Arnold inside him.

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My thinking 80s, was that if we're after width, Neilson on the right would be less inclined to cut inside because he'd be going onto his wrong foot.


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October 26, 2014, 7:50pm
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Can see the logic...
Perhaps I'm wrong, I just can' t see him beating a player and putting in crosses like Mackreth does.
Whether Neilson should be afforded freedom to roam and express himself or just stick to playing his position appears to be a good question.
At a very wild guess, I think we'll end up with him in a 4-3-3.
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October 26, 2014, 8:10pm

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I think even if he's right or left in a 4 man midfield, he'll always roam to some extent. Kevin Donovan was very good at this (so maybe my right footed point was nonsense!)

Mackreth should beat players and put crosses in, but he hasn't done it as much as I'd expected.


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October 26, 2014, 8:20pm
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Yeah was gonna say the same about Neilson's roaming tbh but didn't want to waffle on !

So have we come full circle back to where we started ?  
Gonna be interesting, I'm treating it as a fact finding mission...
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October 26, 2014, 8:29pm
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Quoted from mariner tommy
I think we did in the second half with Jack running to the goal line on on one side and Aswad pushing up further with Arnold inside him.

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Not saying we didn't.
All I'm saying is perhaps you won't always be able to get round the sides of teams and tbf, Guiseley's full back was slow.

Buckley knew about movement and how to play it into feet around the box.
Not saying it's easy but in that respect the bar is set, perhaps we just need to move closer towards it...
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October 26, 2014, 8:53pm
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I think that we looked better in the 2nd. half because we made them chase the ball for long periods, which knackered them.

We kept the ball, moved it about & waited for them to run out of steam. Then we picked them off at will, which is the way to play in this type of game.
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October 27, 2014, 1:30pm
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I must have seen a different performance from Neilson to everyone else in the first half as I thought he was absolutely atrocious!  I say this as big fan of his and that little bit of magic he brings to the team, especially when we're guilty of lacking any sort of creativity without him.

In all teams I think you have to give a bit of licence to your 'better' players and compensate with the more graft like players, no disputing that.  I also think expecting players like Neilson to run up and down like a hare, much like the performances Joe Colbeck gave, would be a waste of his abilities.  However when he stands watching an opposition player waltz past him without so much of an effort to track, tackle or even make a weak gesture of interest he can't expect to be involved in the side.  This wasn't just a one-off occasion in the first half either, happened a handful of times.

I'm sure some will argue that any possible lack of interest in doing the dirty side of the game may be a result of Hurst's treatment of him.  My answer would be that perhaps his lack of willing to roll up his sleeves and prove people wrong is the exact reason someone with League One technical ability is still in the Conference at his age.

Arnold came on and looked like a man with a point to prove.  He was everywhere, defending from the front and looking to make space for himself.   With him getting more game time under his belt, Pittman's return from injury and Hurst's recent preference for 4-3-3, I think Neilson could well find himself spending a bit more time warming the bench.

Over to Neilson to see how he reacts.
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October 27, 2014, 1:35pm
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Not Neilson's best performance, but he still did manage to put in a couple of decent crosses and his free-kick forced a reasonable save as well.

Regardless of who starts the games, I think it is now very good to see that we have 3 wingers fit and available for the first time this season! At this level, you can't expect good performances from the attackers every week so having an alternative option on the bench has got to be a great benefit. I think both Arnold and Neilson can probably play either side as well so that extra flexibility is useful.

Let's hope that the competition for a place sees improved form from all the wingers!
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October 27, 2014, 1:49pm
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Very much reading between the lines but it seems Nielson isnt following the managers instructions and it is that which is causing the issues.

I'd add that i wasnt there on Saturday but PH's comments about the need to stay wide and stretch the opposition and taking Nielson off at h-t were very much connected (similar to the Southport game methinks)
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