Another striker ?

Right let's not fanny about here.

Presuming we can afford it, do we need another striker to be brought in to partner Hannah ?
Possibly a target man ?
Or is it too soon and do we have enough options to look at first before we make any decision ?

Personally don't think it's the only issue that needs sorting but obviously it's still a talking point.

Won't run a poll, think I know what the answer would be...

Well for me and I'm all for giving the players plenty of chances I think it's fair that they've had plenty.  

Southwell is still learning and can't at present be first choice more a backup striker

Elding puts plenty of effort but is struggling to score goals and has been wasteful

Cook has struggled and as we have often seen either the step up to full time or moving to a new area is having an effect to his game

Hannah seems to have hit form

Pearson seemed to come into some for then got injured made a cameo appearance before getting injured again

I definately think if we really want to get out this league our lack of goals must be addressed but what does that say if we had 2 loanees up front, however come Saturday I think it will be Pearson and Hannah and I can see Elding being moved on come Jan.

Quoted from Meza

I definately think if we really want to get out this league our lack of goals must be addressed but what does that say if we had 2 loanees up front

Know what you mean !
Could depend which way you look at it.
Either we're getting deserate or we're deadly serious maybe ?

Quoted from Meza

however come Saturday I think it will be Pearson and Hannah and I can see Elding being moved on come Jan.

Elding....
Funny how he wasn't on the bench.
After Cook was taken "out the firing line" maybe it's the same type of thing.

Could he be back ?
Wouldn't be TOO suprised and maybe he deserves to be. (not his biggest fan by any means but said I wouldn't have dropped him).

Quoted from 1600

Know what you mean !
Could depend which way you look at it.
Either we're getting deserate or we're deadly serious maybe ?

Elding....
Funny how he wasn't on the bench.
After Cook was taken "out the firing line" maybe it's the same type of thing.

Could he be back ?
Wouldn't be TOO suprised and maybe he deserves to be. (not his biggest fan by any means but said I wouldn't have dropped him).

Yeah it was strange, I felt more sorry for miller 80's I know Pearson and pond have been excellent, you have to wonder what the players are thinking seeing miller dropped (as players do talk to each other or female dog). I'm one for being a fair type of manager so if you've played badly or struggling you change it and they keep there place if they've  played well etc, but I guess times have changed.  Years ago players out of form would be used in reserve games in the hope of them gaining form or their scoring touch but these days players feel there better than to play in the reserves why can't they see the bigger picture rather than moan or sulk about playing reserves football for me it would be another chance to impress.

Well I've mixed feeling Meza.
Like I said in the match thread Pearson did nothing wrong to lose the shirt but Pete also pointed out Miller did nothing wrong until his wife had a baby.
I'm not really one for "rules" tbh, though yes, guess it can have an effect.

One thing I've only just noticed (not sure if you have?) was Hurst said Miller was diappointed to be left out the Kidderminster game.
See it here on 3 mins
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20194756#asset

But tbh fair or not fair understand players are gonna be disappointed but don't think any players should "sulk" like you say.
Think they need to learn the manager can't pick everyone (and sure they do)
Then again it's all very easy for me to say, I'm not the one playing well and then not playing.

Definitely need a partner for Hannah, definitely.
Cant afford passengers.

Perhaps Marshall is the new striker, sort of. Marshall and Colbeck out wide means Neilson could play further up?

S&H could go with last night's squad, plus Neilson to return. I guess Southwell could be the one to step down from the bench. And hopefully G Pearson gets fitter and sharper too....

We might need another striker, we might not. Pearson and Southwell deserve more opportunities, but if they are presented, they need to be taken. No excuses. Personally I'm pretty sick of Elding and Cook wasting chances or failing to impose themselves on games - there are dozens of strikers in the BSP, playing for average or poor teams with better goal returns than them. If we hadn't borrowed Hannah, we'd be firmly mid-table.

Quoted from Meza

Cook has struggled and as we have often seen either the step up to full time or moving to a new area is having an effect to his game

.

Cook was full time at Barrow and is now living closer to home than when he was at Barrow,

Quoted from barrovianbedlam

Cook was full time at Barrow and is now living closer to home than when he was at Barrow,

Bishop Auckland to Barrow = 96 miles
Bishop Auckland to Grimsby = 130+miles

Quoted from BIGChris

Bishop Auckland to Barrow = 96 miles
Bishop Auckland to Grimsby = 130+miles

Cooky lived in manchester when he was with barrow trained in salford full time and travelled to barrow for home matches, non of our players live in barrow,

i put on this forum when you signed him that cooky is a confidence player and needs things to go his way or he sulks. just hope he turns things round as hes an alright lad (bit thick though)

Yeah we probably do need another striker to seriously challenge for the title.

I wonder if the managers are considering bringing in an imposing, commanding central midfielder at some point, seeing as we seem incapable of dominating games?

Have to be honest and say yes we do need new striker or strikers. As it would seem none of the ones we have (apart from Hannah) can score goals. And we need more goals to win games.

Elding isn't doing very well really, think he needs to get his head together and stop moaning (though I haven't heard anyone mention any of his moaning recently).
Cook can be a good inpact player from of the bench, but doesn't seem to be consistant enough to start, IMO.
Southwell is young and inexperience, I would put him out on loan to get him some experience.
G.Pearson, don't have an opinion on him yet as he hasn't really played many games and not long been back from injury so needs time to adjust I guess.
Hearn, well he's injured lol.

It would be interesting to bring Saores back and see what impact he can give. I just hope they can put a run together and prove me wrong.

Quoted from barrovianbedlam

Cooky lived in manchester when he was with barrow trained in salford full time and travelled to barrow for home matches, non of our players live in barrow,

i put on this forum when you signed him that cooky is a confidence player and needs things to go his way or he sulks. just hope he turns things round as hes an alright lad (bit thick though)

Cooky shares a house in Waltham near the training ground with Greg Pearson and Aswad Thomas now!!

Quoted from Tommy

Yeah we probably do need another striker to seriously challenge for the title.

I wonder if the managers are considering bringing in an imposing, commanding central midfielder at some point, seeing as we seem incapable of dominating games?

Why don't S + H try Pond in that midfield role and play Miller at the back,

We have said this often enough on here,

Sometimes I think S + H  do just as they like and ignore us on the Fishy.

Quoted from barrovianbedlam

Cooky lived in manchester when he was with barrow trained in salford full time and travelled to barrow for home matches, non of our players live in barrow,

i put on this forum when you signed him that cooky is a confidence player and needs things to go his way or he sulks. just hope he turns things round as hes an alright lad (bit thick though)

Why is big Andy cook thick?

Quoted from aaron rattray

Why is big Andy cook thick?

Because he is not very bright ?

Quoted from chaos33

Personally I'm pretty sick of Elding and Cook wasting chances or failing to impose themselves on games

Fair enough but tbf you along with the majority who spoke or voted wanted Cook in !
Like I said before it's not a question of blame for getting anything "wrong" but how many Elding detractors are now willing to consider whether he should have started last night ?
Not many I bet !  

Who knows perhaps it's partly my fault for sticking the polls up to start with or perhaps more likely, there's something bigger going on behind the scenes with Elding.
I just hope the managers are doing their own thing and making their own decisions and not being swayed by public opinion or fans itching to have a go.

Dear Rob & Paul - YOU'RE the experts so I say sod what everyone else thinks and keep making your own decisions.
If fans don't like it then tough, even if we we're top there'll always be some determined to complain.

Quoted from Tommy

I wonder if the managers are considering bringing in an imposing, commanding central midfielder at some point, seeing as we seem incapable of dominating games?

See where you're coming from and have mentioned Pond in midfield myself.

I just wonder if there's a difference between imposing youself on the game to beak up play and having the skills to dominate by passing and keeping the ball.

Obviously having both would be great and perhaps it's completely do-able but guess it won't be easy.
Guess Niven and Thanoj are two different ends of the spectrum and Disley is somewhere in the middle.

Whether we can control games or not, just wonder if Thanoj could be key to a successful midfield and successful campaign.
So gonna be bold here, think one idea might be to drop Disley and play Niven as ballwinner and Thanoj as playmaker. (at least on Saturday)

Quoted from 1600

See where you're coming from and have mentioned Pond in midfield myself.

I just wonder if there's a difference between imposing youself on the game to beak up play and having the skills to dominate by passing and keeping the ball.

Obviously having both would be great and perhaps it's completely do-able but guess it won't be easy.
Guess Niven and Thanoj are two different ends of the spectrum and Disley is somewhere in the middle.

Whether we can control games or not, just wonder if Thanoj could be key to a successful midfield and successful campaign.
So gonna be bold here, think one idea might be to drop Disley and play Niven as ballwinner and Thanoj as playmaker. (at least on Saturday)

I'm not sure our problems lie too much in midfield. Yes, we're not great, but when the ball is simply bouncing back from our forwards without much atacking presence, our midfield will always come under pressure.

I think we're going to have to do the best we can with limited resources this year, pray for an early return by Hearn and hope he can immediately recapture his old form (very unlikely).
Elding wants away and I really can't see a way back for him as a starting player now. Problem is, I doubt Preston will still want him in his current form and he may end up drawing a wage for playing in the reserves/ being paid off.
Cook and Pearson simply haven't worked out, although there may yet be some small hope that Pearson can find fitness and do a decent job besides Hannah.
With Cook and Elding on the books post January, I can't see how we'll be singing anything other than another loanee at best.

Good points but Eldings wanted away for a while.
Guess the backlash is more to do with form and the proverbial straw that broke the camels back (again).
Not necessarily saying I'd pick him on Saturday (haven't given it much thought) but part of me would love to see him get on the scoresheet if only to put recent events in a bit more perspective.

Elding has done it in the past but is now obsolete to requirements

Cook is a square peg in a round hole at Town and was a poor buy (being clever after the event of course)

G Pearson is another misfit here and I`ll wager he  will never turn out to be a decent striker for this club

Hannah always looks like he will score given the right service, but he`s not ours is he

Southwell is easily our best prospect, and to suggest he`s loaned out while we persist in playing Cook and Pearson is wrong

Yes we do need another striker but possibly can`t afford it, so some of the above need to pull their finger out

Am I the only one who thinks cook can be an asset, came on Saturday and made a real nuisance of himself and scored the winner. On Tuesday he really put himself about, won a lot of headers and played with a good aggression. It was noticeable when he went off how few headers we won up top, he was also unlucky not to score.

I'm pretty sure Elding would've been a better bet in last nights conditions than Cook or Pearson. Had a brief chat with him in the stands at half time, and he was bemused as to why he was not involved, more importantly he seemed to really want to be playing. Now I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but it really does seem that S&H have a problem with anyone who does not show them the love. Elding, Miller and Coulson have seemingly been on the end of this attitude, and if it is the case, I'm not sure I blame any of them if they feel drunk off with it.

Quoted from 1600

Fair enough but tbf you along with the majority who spoke or voted wanted Cook in !
Like I said before it's not a question of blame for getting anything "wrong" but how many Elding detractors are now willing to consider whether he should have started last night ?
Not many I bet !  

Who knows perhaps it's partly my fault for sticking the polls up to start with or perhaps more likely, there's something bigger going on behind the scenes with Elding.
I just hope the managers are doing their own thing and making their own decisions and not being swayed by public opinion or fans itching to have a go.

Dear Rob & Paul - YOU'RE the experts so I say sod what everyone else thinks and keep making your own decisions.
If fans don't like it then tough, even if we we're top there'll always be some determined to complain.

Indeed I did, and I stand by that. I felt Elding wasn't doing anything and Cook had made some encouraging contributions in recent games when coming on as sub. Of course, he scored against Tamworth. On that basis, I thought he deserved another chance. As is the norm with him and others - he didn't take it. There's a worrying pattern emerging with Cook and Elding now a third of the season has passed. We haven't got an awful lot of firing strikers to choose from at the moment - hence your reasons for posting the thread I presume.

As far as Southwell and Perason (G) go; I would asssume that they've been deemed not suitable to start at the moment, justifiably probably. The general point I'm making is that some players have had lots of opportunities to produce the goods and they've consistently come up up short. Ok, the first two goals conceded were due to individual errors by two players who have been doing just the opposite - playing well with a level of continuity. They have to be forgiven on those grounds. Defensively, our shape was ragged and our strikers or attacking midfielders (Cook and Colbeck principally, but others too) let everyone down by wasting the ample chances we had to win the game, and Disley and Niven were both poor by all accounts. Those aspects, together with some utterly atrocious refereeing decisions, combined to produce a dismal and weak-looking defeat.

Quoted from Tommy

Yeah we probably do need another striker to seriously challenge for the title.

I wonder if the managers are considering bringing in an imposing, commanding central midfielder at some point, seeing as we seem incapable of dominating games?

Pond in midfield?

Quoted from chaos33

Indeed I did, and I stand by that. I felt Elding wasn't doing anything and Cook had made some encouraging contributions in recent games when coming on as sub. Of course, he scored against Tamworth. On that basis, I thought he deserved another chance. As is the norm with him and others - he didn't take it. There's a worrying pattern emerging with Cook and Elding now a third of the season has passed. We haven't got an awful lot of firing strikers to choose from at the moment - hence your reasons for posting the thread I presume.

As far as Southwell and Perason (G) go; I would asssume that they've been deemed not suitable to start at the moment, justifiably probably. The general point I'm making is that some players have had lots of opportunities to produce the goods and they've consistently come up up short. Ok, the first two goals conceded were due to individual errors by two players who have been doing just the opposite - playing well with a level of continuity. They have to be forgiven on those grounds. Defensively, our shape was ragged and our strikers or attacking midfielders (Cook and Colbeck principally, but others too) let everyone down by wasting the ample chances we had to win the game, and Disley and Niven were both poor by all accounts. Those aspects, together with some utterly atrocious refereeing decisions, combined to produce a dismal and weak-looking defeat.

Fair enough chaos think you make some more good points.

Perhaps I'm wrong to criticize (and if so I apologise) just you mentioned before about the managers "they have to get the right result or face being accused of poor decision making." and perhaps I'm just being over protective of them.

Not that you have criticized of course but like your good point seems to imply, there aren't many glowing options to choose from whatever we/they do.  
Suppose all I'm saying is it's fine to be unhappy about Player A but there's no guarantees Player B will be any better.
That's football I guess but must admit I get slightly bored when I hear others moan about Pearson's first touch when he's been out for a while or Southwell not being up to it when he's barely on the pitch.

Who knows maybe they're all not "up to it" just think fans generally need to have realise there's no easy solution until we discover something that works.
I do believe there's some room for salvation but how long we give it, I'm not sure...

As for Pond, is playing up front as target man at least another idea ?!

When is Hearn due back?  Should be available in January shouldn't he?

Quoted from RonMariner

When is Hearn due back?  Should be available in January shouldn't he?

Thought it was March. Would be surprised if he played more than 3 or 4 games this season.

You should remember that Cook is in his 1st season as a full time pro,

It takes time to adjust,

Look at Pearson last season compared to this,

Cook will come good but not this season I think.

Quoted from grimsby pete

You should remember that Cook is in his 1st season as a full time pro,

It takes time to adjust,

Look at Pearson last season compared to this,

Cook will come good but not this season I think.

That would be a valid point if it was true.

Pearson despite not having a good first season showed some potential and looked solid enough in his first season after a shaky start.

Cook, on the other hand, has shown nothing to me to suggest he'll come good.

Quoted from grimsby pete

You should remember that Cook is in his 1st season as a full time pro,

It takes time to adjust,

Look at Pearson last season compared to this,

Cook will come good but not this season I think.

And and and Pete,  I`m afraid football is all about now, Cook will maybe come good and Pearson may learn to trap a ball within a six foot radius, Elding could try putting his boots on the wrong foot to avoid missing sitters, but wntill then we need to help S Pearson and Pond out in the goal threat area.
We need to look at another striker on loan till the King returns or suffer the consequences

Hearn is due back around march but could be earlier or later depending on there are no reactions when he starts training again.  He may be ready play a few games wouldn't it be awesome if he came back into contention whilst we are in the playoffs.  

Quoted from Meza

Hearn is due back around march but could be earlier or later depending on there are no reactions when he starts training again.  He may be ready play a few games wouldn't it be awesome if he came back into contention whilst we are in the playoffs.  

Coming back and firing on all cylinders might be different. We should not expect an instant return to form. May have to wait until next season. Having him involved would be a boost though.

Quoted from oldun

Coming back and firing on all cylinders might be different. We should not expect an instant return to form. May have to wait until next season. Having him involved would be a boost though.

We will all hope that he comes back and gets on the score sheet early, but all of us will justl get a lift to see him playing some part in what games are remaining however small.

What about Neilsen and Hannah as a front two then play football or a ball over the top to exploit the space using Neilsen's pace. Other teams have proven in the past that you don't need a little and large striker partnership

Quoted from Stew0_0

What about Neilsen and Hannah as a front two then play football or a ball over the top to exploit the space using Neilsen's pace. Other teams have proven in the past that you don't need a little and large striker partnership

You do with 442 ala Spurs last night