4 games in...........

Great point tonight am sure we'd of all took a point before the game

But disregarding the point, 4 games in i think we have serious problems with the players that we currently have.How hurst can say "no disrespect to last years side we think our current players are better" is beyond me.

Hatton when he loses the ball he does not run back and get a foot in he just jogs, its this effort and this commitment to the cause i;m trying to highlight. Theres players here who are just happy to try blend into the background. I secretley think the managers are aware that some of the signings have been the wrong ones.The players standing out to me at the minute are Hatton,Colbeck,Artus,Disley,Soares and cook all of these show not effort on the pitch and look as if they arent interested at all. Personally i'd try offload as many as possible while we can, obviously its unlikley but these arent the players we want at the club.
    Its all about money nowadays and i;m living in dreamland but players the likes of connor townsend, jamie devitt who arent getting a look in at hull are the ones who would turn it around for us. defensivley we are sound maybe this is because S n H where defenders? is this the reason why we are lacking ideas going forward??? The final half of the pitch really does need a coat of looking at, if not we are definatley in for a mid table mediocre finish.

S and H were defenders last season too, and we scored shitloads of goals!

9 points off the top already ,if we pushed on now that would take 3 months to make up and I cant see us pushing on to with this squad

But AFC wimbledon are struggling and are conceding loads of goals and he has won numerous awards and all of our new players have come with good reviews from fans (maybe except colbeck) so obviously they all are capable of playing far better if the tactics are right, but at the minute the tactics couldn't be more wrong

Quoted from aaron rattray

But AFC wimbledon are struggling and are conceding loads of goals and he has won numerous awards and all of our new players have come with good reviews from fans (maybe except colbeck) so obviously they all are capable of playing far better if the tactics are right, but at the minute the tactics couldn't be more wrong

I agree with you

Quoted from hook line and sinker

Great point tonight am sure we'd of all took a point before the game

But disregarding the point, 4 games in i think we have serious problems with the players that we currently have.How hurst can say "no disrespect to last years side we think our current players are better" is beyond me.

Hatton when he loses the ball he does not run back and get a foot in he just jogs, its this effort and this commitment to the cause i;m trying to highlight. Theres players here who are just happy to try blend into the background. I secretley think the managers are aware that some of the signings have been the wrong ones.The players standing out to me at the minute are Hatton,Colbeck,Artus,Disley,Soares and cook all of these show not effort on the pitch and look as if they arent interested at all. Personally i'd try offload as many as possible while we can, obviously its unlikley but these arent the players we want at the club.
    Its all about money nowadays and i;m living in dreamland but players the likes of connor townsend, jamie devitt who arent getting a look in at hull are the ones who would turn it around for us. defensivley we are sound maybe this is because S n H where defenders? is this the reason why we are lacking ideas going forward??? The final half of the pitch really does need a coat of looking at, if not we are definatley in for a mid table mediocre finish.

Devitt and Thownsend are not 'struggling to get a look-in' at Hull. They've both been in the first team squad.

I don't think you can really accuse any of the current team of a lack of effort.

When you're not winning its easy(lazy, almost) to just question the effort because you want to believe we wouldve won if they'd tried harder. I don't think that's the case at all though.

If we'd been carrying players not putting enough effort in or not caring, we wouldn't have just kept 2 clean sheets.

The issues at the moment imo are belief, confidence and composure on the ball, and creativity in the final third.

Quoted from 697[b

]I don't think you can really accuse any of the current team of a lack of effort.
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When you're not winning its easy(lazy, almost) to just question the effort because you want to believe we wouldve won if they'd tried harder. I don't think that's the case at all though.

If we'd been carrying players not putting enough effort in or not caring, we wouldn't have just kept 2 clean sheets.

The issues at the moment imo are belief, confidence and composure on the ball, and creativity in the final third.

I`d like to think you are right Tommy, but I think I see a couple of players who for what ever reason look a little dissinterested and are having second thoughts about comming here (North South divide and all that) its just my observation however,  and it may change

Still unsure about the whole Pond at CB/Midfield thing and where he would be prepared to play but maybe the management should ask him to try out the midfield berth for the remainder of his loan spell and get Miller back in. Pond's done well but the quicker we get a constant and settled side the better. If Miller can slot back in and play to his usual standard then we have no need for Pond, unless he's in the middle.

Quoted from Tommy

I don't think you can really accuse any of the current team of a lack of effort.

When you're not winning its easy(lazy, almost) to just question the effort because you want to believe we wouldve won if they'd tried harder. I don't think that's the case at all though.

If we'd been carrying players not putting enough effort in or not caring, we wouldn't have just kept 2 clean sheets.

The issues at the moment imo are belief, confidence and composure on the ball, and creativity in the final third.

The work rate from some players (midfield) isn't 100% as pointed out when you lose the ball you either get it back or cover ground to block off other options, these are the basics of the game.

Belief - I believe that if you want something and in a position to make it possible you'll make it happen, not wait for something to do it for you.  

Confidence - If you don't believe in yourself no one else will, determination is the key here, you know what you are capable of so do it, it's confidence in certain players that is the issue.  Poor first touch, unable to trap a ball and holding on to the ball for far too long and getting it taken off them.

Lack of creativity is from getting the ball out of defence right up to the lack of service to the front two.  Several times players were pointing were they wanted the ball and more often than not it got lumped forward.  There is a massive lack of support play and covering which leads to lack of options and eventually losing the ball as soon as we got it.

Quoted from RoboCod

Still unsure about the whole Pond at CB/Midfield thing and where he would be prepared to play but maybe the management should ask him to try out the midfield berth for the remainder of his loan spell and get Miller back in. Pond's done well but the quicker we get a constant and settled side the better. If Miller can slot back in and play to his usual standard then we have no need for Pond, unless he's in the middle.

This is the reason why I hope we are pursuing any possibility of signing Pond permanenelty or on an extended loan. He looks versatile and has been the best performer along with Pearson so far.

Quoted from hook line and sinker

Great point tonight am sure we'd of all took a point before the game

    Its all about money nowadays and i;m living in dreamland but players the likes of connor townsend, jamie devitt

decent post

I agree with you the likes of Devitt are quality players and would make a difference  but would they be prepared to play bsp if other clubs higher up the leagues are interested in getting them on loan.One of the probs in playing at a lower level  

Quoted from Tommy

I don't think you can really accuse any of the current team of a lack of effort.

When you're not winning its easy(lazy, almost) to just question the effort because you want to believe we wouldve won if they'd tried harder. I don't think that's the case at all though.

If we'd been carrying players not putting enough effort in or not caring, we wouldn't have just kept 2 clean sheets.

The issues at the moment imo are belief, confidence and composure on the ball, and creativity in the final third.

Agree with this to an extent. The midfield yesterday worked hard and covered a lot of ground but the movement from the front two was terrible. The tactic of hoofing it to Elding doesn't work as he's not good enough in the air. It wasn't until Cook came on that we won anything in the air. I'd like to see Thanoj and Niven in CM and Cook and Pearson up front. Not sure the mangers have got the guts to drop Disley and Elding but don't think they're good enough and doubt they can play two games in 3 days.

Quoted from 727[b

]9 points off the top already ,if we pushed on now that would take 3 months to make up and I cant see us pushing on to with this squad [/b]

Yes,we are still in August & already it's looking like the play -offs at best.

Quoted from Marinerz93

The work rate from some players (midfield) isn't 100% as pointed out when you lose the ball you either get it back or cover ground to block off other options, these are the basics of the game.

Belief - I believe that if you want something and in a position to make it possible you'll make it happen, not wait for something to do it for you.  

Confidence - If you don't believe in yourself no one else will, determination is the key here, you know what you are capable of so do it, it's confidence

agree completely particularly with the above points

Quoted from Claudius Tiberius Smith

Yes,we are still in August & already it's looking like the play -offs at best.

It was looking like the play-offs at best before the season started so nothing has changed now.

The lowest points total of the conference champions after 4 games in the last 10 years is 6, with the average being 7 and the most being 10

I have seen nothing so far to suggest we will be anywhere near the play offs, naturally i hope i'm wrong
but there is no mystery to some of the established teams in this league by playing hoofball against them, they have seen all that before and most know exactly how to deal with it.
The managers need to look at their tactics or the play-offs will be a pipe-dream.

Quoted from petethemariner

I have seen nothing so far to suggest we will be anywhere near the play offs, naturally i hope i'm wrong
but there is no mystery to some of the established teams in this league by playing hoofball against them, they have seen all that before and most know exactly how to deal with it.
The managers need to look at their tactics or the play-offs will be a pipe-dream.

At our level though, are there many managers able to switch tactics to such an extent? Our two have their vision/plan to lower league football and its got them this far so no great pressure to think they've been mistaken thus far. I think its more of a man management/ coaching issue. Possibly coaching and managing professional players day in day out is a different animal to part time players. I think part time players at the highest part time level are desperate to go pro, have to work fulltime jobs or in education so are willing to bust a gut to prove themselves. On the other hand, at the lowest level for pros, do they struggle to bother as they languish either on the way down or stuck at clubs they wish they weren't etc, with no way out.

Obviously i do realise that all players, like everyone, are different. Think that's what makes spotting a gem so difficult.

Quoted from cod.gtfc

It was looking like the play-offs at best before the season started so nothing has changed now.

[b]The lowest points total of the conference champions after 4 games in the last 10 years is 6, with the average being 7 and the most being 10[/b]

Bol~~cks! it's even worse than I thought then! Interesting stat though! Very well done!

On the positive side we have looked solid enough and despite claims by some, could easily have had 8 points on the board without playing much differently. Asolid defence is the ONLY fooundation to build a team

We can play far far better than shown so far and i expect us to be in the shake up at the end of the season.

Yes, we seem to be lacking in an attacking sense and the style of play is , at best, mixed.

I appreciate some have already made their minds up that the season is over, the managers need to be sacked and some of the players should be given free transfers, but I reckon 10-12 games in there will be a little more optimism around as we move up the table.

Surely on an August Bank Holiday we can get more than 3000 home fans in BP for the (re) start of the season.

UTM

Quoted from kevikov

At our level though, are there many managers able to switch tactics to such an extent? Our two have their vision/plan to lower league football and its got them this far so no great pressure to think they've been mistaken thus far. I think its more of a man management/ coaching issue. Possibly coaching and managing professional players day in day out is a different animal to part time players. I think part time players at the highest part time level are desperate to go pro, have to work fulltime jobs or in education so are willing to bust a gut to prove themselves. On the other hand, at the lowest level for pros, do they struggle to bother as they languish either on the way down or stuck at clubs they wish they weren't etc, with no way out.

Obviously i do realise that all players, like everyone, are different. Think that's what makes spotting a gem so difficult.

I think you make some fair and valid points there, but to suggest that what S & H have achieved so far at a LOWER level somehow validates the way we play now, is mistaken IMO.
Totally agree with  you though about man management at GTFC , lets be honest, it is lamentable, the body language of some ( a few of which have only just arrived) tells anyone with a brain that there is something wrong with the management/player relationship and that relationship is the most vital at any club,  we have as good a squad as any in this league, but many d'ont understand/or want to understand what the managers want (neither would i if i am being honest) and until this is adressed we are going NOWHERE.