Tuchel for England

News already 10 mins old.

I'm over the moon, Tuchel don't take no shite.

I fancy us to actually win something now.

Guess Pep said no then

My dear old grandad will be spinning in his grave.

"There were 10 Ger..." oh.

"Don't mention the war Fawlty"....

I'm not a lover of foreign managers running a national team tbh, but Tuchel doesn't seem to the sort that will be an FA yes mam so or could be interesting ride under him..

Hopefully he’ll be singing the National Anthem.  😉

Any German racist connotation is simply  not acceptable. World class players Ned a world class manager. He's the best available and I applaud the FA for thinking outside the box and being forward thinking. Let rags like the Sun do the racist bit but let the fact it is 2024 lead you in the right direction.

People say that he’s a winner, ok, won the European Cup at Chelsea but it was somebody else team as I believe he only got the job around Xmas, and as for being a winner at Bayern and PSG, the current Mrs Gaffer could win the league with those teams. But there again which English manager/ coach is there at the moment any better?

Quoted from VinnyGTFC

Any German racist connotation is simply  not acceptable.

Being German isn't a race.

Quoted from pizzzza

Being German isn't a race.

Fingers crossed tuchel wins ours to WC 26.

Great choice. Gareth was a nice guy but he's never been a world-class manager.

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People say that he’s a winner, ok, won the European Cup at Chelsea but it was somebody else team as I believe he only got the job around Xmas, and as for being a winner at Bayern and PSG, the current Mrs Gaffer could win the league with those teams. But there again which English manager/ coach is there at the moment any better?

Surely that highlights that he is a good manager? Took a squad that he didn’t put together and that somebody else had been doing terribly with and won the European cup literally straight away.

Quoted from mariner91

Surely that highlights that he is a good manager? Took a squad that he didn’t put together and that somebody else had been doing terribly with and won the European cup literally straight away.

Winning knockout ties against top opposition. Fantastic appointment.

Quoted from pizzzza

Being German isn't a race.

So you can't be racist against a different ethnicity. Very Local opinion isn't it?

Quoted from VinnyGTFC

So you can't be racist against a different ethnicity. Very Local opinion isn't it?

Being German isn’t an ethnicity

Quoted from supertown

Being German isn’t an ethnicity

Yes it is.

“An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a people of a common language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history, or social treatment.”

He is the best available. The fact they don’t like him in Germany should be a massive plus.

Far more amenable to his appointment than the announcement of any of the other “realistic” candidates.

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“An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a people of a common language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history, or social treatment.”

So you think all Germans identity with each other as an ethnic group. Really ?

None of us are overly bothered by having a Yorkshireman in charge of Town - while singing 'In your Yorkshire slums' - so surely Tuchel is acceptable. I cant see any better English coaches who are more deserving so let's give him a go.

Quoted from supertown

So you think all Germans identity with each other as an ethnic group. Really ?

He quoted the literal definition of ethnicity from a dictionary (I presume). I'm not sure what more can be said.

Welcome to the England job, Tuchels.

Quoted from supertown

So you think all Germans identity with each other as an ethnic group. Really ?

Have you met any Germans?

I have just spent a week in Amsterdam working with a European group that had a lot of Germans in it and as soon as they knew I was English they started taking the p*ss out of themselves about their 'Germanness' - every stereotype you could think of.

Do Germans identify with each other as an ethnic group? Do bears use heavily wooded areas as makeshift latrines?!

Quoted from supertown

So you think all Germans identity with each other as an ethnic group. Really ?

I've literally given you the dictionary definition of what an ethnicity is. You can't just put forward your own interpretation and suggest the actual definition is wrong.

Not for me. I think the manager of our national football side should be English, in the same token that any player should be eligible by their English criteria. I'm sure that lots of posters won't agree with this and try to find some " racist" agenda. Our FA has the infrastructure to produce good managers capable of performing at the highest level. I can't imagine countries like Germany, France, Netherlands, Spain and Italy utilising non-native managers but I don't follow international football that closely these days.

Sadly the UK press and certain nationalistic fans are already sharpening their knives against the new manager...a real pity we still have a small percentage of Brits who have this historic world war attitude against  Germany. Most of the young Germans born today have no connection to the atrocities of their ancestors and agree that it was a vile regime. This is 2024 ,,,,,move on

Quoted from rancido

Not for me. I think the manager of our national football side should be English, in the same token that any player should be eligible by their English criteria. I'm sure that lots of posters won't agree with this and try to find some " racist" agenda. Our FA has the infrastructure to produce good managers capable of performing at the highest level. I can't imagine countries like Germany, France, Netherlands, Spain and Italy utilising non-native managers but I don't follow international football that closely these days.

The last English manager to win the Premier League/1st Division was Howard Wilkinson in 1991-2 and the last British manager to win it was Alex Ferguson in 2013.

Quoted from rancido

Not for me. I think the manager of our national football side should be English, in the same token that any player should be eligible by their English criteria. I'm sure that lots of posters won't agree with this and try to find some " racist" agenda. Our FA has the infrastructure to produce good managers capable of performing at the highest level. I can't imagine countries like Germany, France, Netherlands, Spain and Italy utilising non-native managers but I don't follow international football that closely these days.

Ive seen people in my life who spout out accusations of racism to others trying to get on their high horse yet their actions denote just the same level of savagery as racism in other forms notably bullying via psychological or intellectual and even physical means which has had depressing repercussions around the world amongst young and even older notably suicide in cases. Think a minority hide behind the veneer of a political group yet deep inside their mindset is dark . Ive learnt the only thing you can do with these types is punishment within reason , and education and try to help them see the good inside of them which everyone has and try to grow that.

As for a foreign manager in charge of a team I dont mind if its foreign or not so long as there the best man for the job as countries and peoples are constantly in a change of flux .

Good appointment for me. There's no doubting appointing an English manager would always be the preferred option but the sad truth is that finding English managers with a track record of winning at the highest levels is going to be some time coming yet.

Germany seem to have had a period of time in the last 20 years where they have heavily invested in their coaching infrastructure and developed some outstanding coaches with innovative ideas that has catapulted them to the highest levels of the game internationally.

I remember on one of the coaching courses I did that they said Germany, Holland and France have a significantly higher percentage of qualified coaches per populous (or whatever metric they used) than England. Our talented coaches are currently operating in the huge academy structures that exist in our elite teams and it's highly unlikely that there is a progression pathway into the top jobs. Instead, they have to move into the lower leagues where they're trying to prove themselves with players of a lesser standard and it doesn't always transpire that their talents are shown because fans want instant success and time is not a common commodity afforded managers.

Even then though, when Man City need to replace Pep, they won't be looking in the lower leagues for that upcoming English manager, it'll be someone showing promise at a top European Club or an elder statesman with a track record of success.

It doesn't mean the likes of Howe or Potter won't eventually get the job without having necessarily won anything, nor does it mean we don't have talented coaches that we could look at, but the clamour for success at international level only ever gets stronger the closer we get and logically the best appointment has to be the one that has evidence of succeeding on their CV. Proof of that is the low approval rating for Carsley despite him having had success with the U21s, but he isn't a household name with Champions League under his belt.

Quoted from jimgtfc

Guess Pep said no then

Tuchel is available, and has been heavily linked to the soon to be vacant Man Yoo job...

The FA (for once) acted quickly to get their man.

I for one am very surprised at the appointment, not least because Tuchel is everything that the FA usually go out their way to avoid;  confrontational, abrasive and far from a 'yes man'.

It could be a bumpy ride...which probably explains the 18 month deal - suck it and see until the World Cup and take it from there.

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The last English manager to win the Premier League/1st Division was Howard Wilkinson in 1991-2 and the last British manager to win it was Alex Ferguson in 2013.

Like I said, it's just my opinion. I don't necessarily see a direct correlation between being a good club manager and being a good national side manager. How many of the teams that have won the Premier League/ /1st Division since 1991-2 have been 100% English players? A club has the luxury of buying the best players for a position regardless of nationality. A national side is limited to the nationality of its players. Would a club manager, regardless of nationality, limited to only using English players be able to win the Premiers**t ?

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People say that he’s a winner, ok, won the European Cup at Chelsea but it was somebody else team as I believe he only got the job around Xmas, and as for being a winner at Bayern and PSG, the current Mrs Gaffer could win the league with those teams. But there again which English manager/ coach is there at the moment any better?

England is 'someone else's team.

I think the only English manager off the top of my head worth a go might be Eddie Howe if you are looking longer term rather  than a quick fix . Has done relatively well over a period of time ; imagine getting him out of Newcastle would be costly and difficult though .

If you are talking a quick hit Tuchel is the right man for the job isn't he ?

Can win a trophy in rapid time but methods seemingly don't last long and wear off so to speak ; seems a poor mans Klopp in some regards .

World Cup 2026 will do then

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I think the only English manager off the top of my head worth a go might be Eddie Howe if you are looking longer term rather  than a quick fix . Has done relatively well over a period of time ; imagine getting him out of Newcastle would be costly and difficult though .

If you are talking a quick hit Tuchel is the right man for the job isn't he ?

Can win a trophy in rapid time but methods seemingly don't last long and wear off so to speak ; seems a poor mans Klopp in some regards .

World Cup 2026 will do then

Not sure Howe would leave currently anyway, he's got unfinished business there, though football can change very quickly and a few iffy results might see him get the boot.
Yes would be expensive, compo reported to be £5m, around half of the whole package to get Tuchel and then there would be his salary on top, he's reported to be on mega money at Toon.

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I think the only English manager off the top of my head worth a go might be Eddie Howe if you are looking longer term

Terry Venables was probably the last good England manager born and bred here ;the FA should of given into his demands of a contract extension.

God rest his soul.

I still regret never going to Scribes nightclub.

Quoted from Abdul19

I still regret never going to Scribes nightclub.

England players by all accounts liked him though during Euro 96 not just as a person but also his training regimes.

Ian Wright the legendary Arsenal football ace has tattooed on him "  let him who is without sin cast the first stone".

Quoted from Lost in Lincoln

England is 'someone else's team.

Absolutely this!  

The main requirement for the manager of England (or any other national side) should be about getting the best out of what you have.

With a very few exceptions, on this forum we could probably come to a common agreement on what is the best England squad and I dare say there wouldn't be major arguments on the best eleven, even taking into account David Frazer claiming it would be better if Matt Rhead was in it.

Hand on heart I would prefer this appointment to be an English one, ideally one from 'the system' because I like the idea of that model of continuity and progression.  Southgate was part of that system and he ultimately came up short when it mattered, as much as I like/liked him as a person and seriously saw value in how he built a team spirit.  Next in line was Carsley and I really had high hopes he would be that progressive evolution based on how he set the Under 21's up. Unfortunately from the point of his appointment to his final game he managed to morph into some bizarre iteration of Marcus Bignot.

Might be that the next manager post-Tuchel is from within, but for the here and now (when expectations are sky high for this group of players) we don't have anyone English who is capable or even shows potential to be good enough.  I think it's a good appointment, better than I expected to be honest.

If we want an English manager we are not exactly spoilt for choice. The majority of mangers in the Premier league are foreign. Eddie Howe is the standout candidate but has said he doesn't want it. Would there have been the same outcry if Pep got the job? I don't think there would.

Classic Daily Mail

Quoted from Rick12

Terry Venables was probably the last good England manager born and bred here ;the FA should of given into his demands of a contract extension.

God rest his soul.

Venables & Hoddle were my favourite England managers in terms of playing style but Southgate has had more success and we should have won that final against Italy IMO , in Germany we were pretty poor and still managed to make the final .

I'll be honest barring the major tournaments I don't really watch international matches as most games seem glorified friendlies in all but name I am very disengaged from it as whenever I watch a game it's quite boring in truth ; I'm not sure Tuchell's style is that much different to Southgate's is it ?

Quoted from Mappers

Venables & Hoddle were my favourite England managers in terms of playing style

Interesting what Tony Adams says in his book about man management between the pair; Venables managed Gazza far better than Hoddle did. Still feel looking back Hoddle was unlucky during France 1998 though and had it not been for Beckham's petulance I think like he does that England would have beaten Argentina.

Can you imagine what the Daily Mail back page would be like if instead of not singing the national anthem Tuchel decides to sing it in German?

I would rather we had an English man but who have we got ?  Very little choice.

So I hope he does a good job and wins us another world cup.

To do that he will have to get the best out of a very talented squad something our previous managers haven't been able to do.

Quoted from Abdul19

Gott schütze unseren gnädigen König

It’s such a beautiful language 😍

I do hope he's going to put his foot down and not just attempt to somehow cram all our talented midfielders into the team at the same time like it is the noughties.

I'd be happy to see Bellingham in a slightly advanced midfield role alongside Rice so he's not running all over the pitch like he's been controlled by an 8 year old playing FIFA. Similarly, if he's going to play Kane, get the flipping ball into the box a bit more often so he's got a chance to score some goals instead of watching the ball being pointlessly tip-tapped backwards and forwards outside the box. Either play Palmer as a winger or not at all and try and get Foden to do something now and again. Following the pathetic performance against Greece, he'll probably manage to work out that playing with a forward in the team is a good idea as well.

I'd also like him to magically discover a high level left-back for us from somewhere. Oh, and a top level goalkeeper.

Quoted from Maringer

I do hope he's going to put his foot down and not just attempt to somehow cram all our talented midfielders into the team at the same time like it is the noughties.

I'd be happy to see Bellingham in a slightly advanced midfield role alongside Rice so he's not running all over the pitch like he's been controlled by an 8 year old playing FIFA. Similarly, if he's going to play Kane, get the flipping ball into the box a bit more often so he's got a chance to score some goals instead of watching the ball being pointlessly tip-tapped backwards and forwards outside the box. Either play Palmer as a winger or not at all and try and get Foden to do something now and again. Following the pathetic performance against Greece, he'll probably manage to work out that playing with a forward in the team is a good idea as well.

I'd also like him to magically discover a high level left-back for us from somewhere. Oh, and a top level goalkeeper.

That's the biggest problem in managing a national side - finding a quality qualifying player for every position. It's a lot easier managing a club side - the only limitation is money.

FFS....to all those arguments about race and ethnicity, to not like Germans because one idiot got a bee in his bonet about ruling the world should not allow you to tar all Germans as English hating lunatics...
And for the record, you are arguing about xenophobia...

Xenophobia is a fear or hatred of people who are perceived as foreigners or strangers, or of anything that is perceived as strange or foreign. It can also refer to the attitudes, prejudices, and behaviors that result from this fear, such as rejection, exclusion, and vilification.

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FFS....to all those arguments about race and ethnicity, to not like Germans because one idiot got a bee in his bonet about ruling the world should not allow you to tar all Germans as English hating lunatics...

DON'T MENTION ZE VAR!

It has ruined the game.

I don't think I'm alone in wishing that there were English coaches that were worthy of the role. Eddie Howe possibly is but wants to stay at Newcastle so we're basically left with few options.

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

Classic Daily Mail

Wouldn't wipe my a*s* with that rag..

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I would rather we had an English man but who have we got ?  Very little choice.

So I hope he does a good job and wins us another world cup.

To do that he will have to get the best out of a very talented squad something our previous managers haven't been able to do.

To be fair Pete, 2 euro finals on the bounce and a World Cup semi and quarter isn’t too shabby for Southgate, he just couldn’t seal the deal. Hopefully Tuchel can.

Obviously, we’d all like for the best man for the job to be English, but he isn’t.

Some of the newspaper headlines and uproar from the ‘patriots’ have been absolutely pathetic.

Nobody will give a sh.it where he’s from if he wins something.

Quoted from Maringer

I do hope he's going to put his foot down and not just attempt to somehow cram all our talented midfielders into the team at the same time like it is the noughties.

I'd be happy to see Bellingham in a slightly advanced midfield role alongside Rice so he's not running all over the pitch like he's been controlled by an 8 year old playing FIFA. Similarly, if he's going to play Kane, get the flipping ball into the box a bit more often so he's got a chance to score some goals instead of watching the ball being pointlessly tip-tapped backwards and forwards outside the box. Either play Palmer as a winger or not at all and try and get Foden to do something now and again. Following the pathetic performance against Greece, he'll probably manage to work out that playing with a forward in the team is a good idea as well.

I'd also like him to magically discover a high level left-back for us from somewhere. Oh, and a top level goalkeeper.

How are you not working in football with this in depth tactical knowledge you have?

Quoted from jimgtfc

How are you not working in football with this in depth tactical knowledge you have?

Please feel free to disagree with anything I posted, but explain your reasoning. Just what is Bellingham's role when he plays for England? Do you think it is a good idea to play with a style or formation which doesn't get the ball to Kane in a position where he gets a chance to score? I mean, I realise Kane is past it a bit now according to many commentators (he's only scored 10 goals in 9 games for Bayern so far this season), but probably still worth playing him? Do you think that Palmer should play in a wide role as he has for most of his career? If not, why not? What about Foden? Why does he do so little for England when he does so well for Citeh?

Lots of questions. Do elaborate where you think anything I posted was wrong, and why.

Hearing via friends in fairness to Bellingham Ancelotti was asked who was Real Madrids best player ; Vincius Jr followed by Bellingham. Not a bad accolade considering Vincius is favourite for the Ballon D Or this year with Bellingham supposedly in third place.

What we have here is a golden opportunity for the Fishy to actually provide some value to the greater footballing universe and debate what needs to happen for the FA to have enough successful English coaches to choose from in the future.

I personally think allowing big name freshly retired players to take over as head coaches of premiership/championship level clubs because they are celebrities has set English managers back, and I'm always amazed that those clubs will scour the depths of random European leagues to give people a chance but are reluctant to give British coaches the same chances.  Or is the issue that more British coaches need to go to Spain, Portugal, Austria etc and prove themselves there as the stepping stone to landing a Premier league job?

Arrigo Sacchi: started coaching in his mid-20s because he wasn't a good player but loved the game. Worked his way up through youth teams and the leagues, then ended up winning a couple of European Cups and the World Cup as well, of course.

Of course, the Italian media attacked him for not having a proper playing career, which just goes to show how little most journalists know.

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What we have here is a golden opportunity for the Fishy to actually provide some value to the greater footballing universe and debate what needs to happen for the FA to have enough successful English coaches to choose from in the future.

I personally think allowing big name freshly retired players to take over as head coaches of premiership/championship level clubs because they are celebrities has set English managers back, and I'm always amazed that those clubs will scour the depths of random European leagues to give people a chance but are reluctant to give British coaches the same chances.  Or is the issue that more British coaches need to go to Spain, Portugal, Austria etc and prove themselves there as the stepping stone to landing a Premier league job?

The FA have recently gone to a system whereby your first coaching badges are all done online. I'm not sure how you can learn to coach sat in your front room. There is absolutely a wealth of information and attitude adjustment that has a huge benefit to have covered before any coaching work begins but to put that into an online course and than brand it a 'coaching' course is very misleading and in my sceptical view is a means of trying to claim we as a nation have more qualified 'coaches' when in reality we don't.

The next thing we need to do is try and increase the pool of genuine coaches. By this I mean those that aren't parents, or rather doing it for the benefit of their kids. There is of course a place and a need for parent coaches but they obviously have a time limited agenda to their involvement, not one that harbours aspirations to go further in the game. Part of this aspect will need to see local grassroots clubs have better provision and links to local colleges to allow aspiring young coaches on sports courses access to working regularly with young teams with appropriate mentoring and supervision where necessary.

It remains for me the biggest and single most important thing for the advancement of our football at all levels is a huge mentality shift in the younger ages. This has ramifications all over but I'll need to cover one side to get the other side out. It is becoming worse and worse across grassroots football where adults (I've abandoned parents and adopted adults because there are coaches who are becoming just as bad if not worse) place such a heavy emphasis and importance on winning.

Anticipating the brigade who say "but that's the point", it is. But there's a journey involved and that journey MUST include failure and allow genuine decision making for the kids. There are far too many teams being managed to win rather than being coached. The knock on effect is that everyone else around them is almost forced to follow suit to maintain pace. Failure to maintain pace sees parents move the best kids to the best teams and those who are being well coached are falling to the bottom because managers are distorting the field.

How does that impact development of coaches? Where the grassroots scene is becoming more saturated with parent managers and the genuine aspiring coaches continually working with mixed ability players theres reduced scope to coach higher level concepts and 'tactics' because the technical level isn't sufficient. So what we have locally are talented younger coaches are propping up the lower level teams whilst more aggressive less skilled coaches are hoovering up talent and propping up the higher level.

Until that flips on it's head we're limiting both young players and coaches. I would imagine that places like London may have a better skew but certainly locally that's my experience and I've seen some good coaches have limited progression or ability to showcase their skillset.

The next part is one that is dependant on density of clubs. We have our academy and some satellite development schools with Hull. That's the extent of progression for local coaches. Again, London and Manchester have more scope for talented coaches to work with better players and expand their own talents and potentially progress into the pro game. How a coach in Grimsby can take the step up into academy football if there are no spaces at Town is most likely a difficult bridge to cross.

Oh, and I agree, that coaches (and players), travelling to work I. Europe would be a really great idea. Broaden your horizons and see what you can learn. The fact that the PL is the richest in the world means that too few English players head overseas. It hasn't hurt Bellingham, has it?

That said, it's easy for me to say players should effectively take a pay cut just to get some experience. Not my bank account taking the hit.

Hear me out on this but does anyone truly believe that an international manager actually has time to coach? The job of an England manager isn’t to be able to develop the ability of players that are already technically good & well coached at their top flight clubs in whatever league they play in.

The job of an international manager is firstly fo create an environment that people want to be part of, Gareth did this brilliantly because amongst other things he understood the needs of highly paid & adored 18-30 year olds & how to bring them together to work for each other, something several of his predecessors where clueless about. He also clearly knows how to build interdependent relationships quickly on an individual basis.

There loads more facets to the job but once you’ve got the environment right the next most important is to be able to set the resource you have up to win several games versus what can be very different opponents in a short period of time, you know those things called tournaments. You hear players talk about it loads “we won trophies because the manager told us our jobs & kept it simple & we were a tight unit”.

I’d argue that psychology comes into this role more than people would credit, you can set the team of super stars up to win a game but the winning edge in big career defining moments generally comes from mindset, attitude & desire. BTW for the Sun readers out there that’s not “let’s go out there & kick f**k out of the krauts lads” it much more balanced, cleverer, subtle & nuanced.

There loads more to the role I’m sure & plenty that I’d never know & understand but I’m not convinced it’s all about getting the tracksuit & boots on setting up sessions & getting X player to take better free kicks or finish in 121 situations. I can’t back this up but I’d suspect that several previous England managers have failed because they weren’t smart enough or not as smart as they thought they where,

I’m optimistic that Thomas Tuchell fits the bill for the job as I’m sure the recruitment wasn’t based upon the criteria of him being English & a major trophy winner, then again it wouldn’t be would it as there’s very few candidates with that background about. Though it might have based upon knowing how to win, if nothing else he & his compatriots have a good record there.

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Oh, and I agree, that coaches (and players), travelling to work I. Europe would be a really great idea. Broaden your horizons and see what you can learn. The fact that the PL is the richest in the world means that too few English players head overseas. It hasn't hurt Bellingham, has it?

That said, it's easy for me to say players should effectively take a pay cut just to get some experience. Not my bank account taking the hit.

Good point. Like me if you took a pay cut you’d probably find it a bit harder to pay your bills and have to holiday in a caravan in Brid.

If a top flight player or even up and coming top flight club talent takes a pay cut they might have to swop the top of the range G class for a 6 serious coupe, slow down the Rolex collection to one a month & put the stylist & girl who does your Twitter account on part time hours whilst your gaining experience overseas.

For the highest-earning players, moving to Europe might mean they have to buy a smaller island to live on once they've retired and could then only afford to have a few butlers attending to their every whim instead of a dozen!

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For the highest-earning players, moving to Europe might mean they have to buy a smaller island to live on once they've retired and could then only afford to have a few butlers attending to their every whim instead of a dozen!

Or if you're Kyle Walker you'd have a few less.......... o.k. lets not go there  

I've got to admit, I've never read what he has been up to. Sounds as though I shouldn't bother!

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Hear me out on this but does anyone truly believe that an international manager actually has time to coach? The job of an England manager isn’t to be able to develop the ability of players that are already technically good & well coached at their top flight clubs in whatever league they play in.

The job of an international manager is firstly fo create an environment that people want to be part of, Gareth did this brilliantly because amongst other things he understood the needs of highly paid & adored 18-30 year olds & how to bring them together to work for each other, something several of his predecessors where clueless about. He also clearly knows how to build interdependent relationships quickly on an individual basis.

There loads more facets to the job but once you’ve got the environment right the next most important is to be able to set the resource you have up to win several games versus what can be very different opponents in a short period of time, you know those things called tournaments. You hear players talk about it loads “we won trophies because the manager told us our jobs & kept it simple & we were a tight unit”.

I’d argue that psychology comes into this role more than people would credit, you can set the team of super stars up to win a game but the winning edge in big career defining moments generally comes from mindset, attitude & desire. BTW for the Sun readers out there that’s not “let’s go out there & kick f**k out of the krauts lads” it much more balanced, cleverer, subtle & nuanced.

There loads more to the role I’m sure & plenty that I’d never know & understand but I’m not convinced it’s all about getting the tracksuit & boots on setting up sessions & getting X player to take better free kicks or finish in 121 situations. I can’t back this up but I’d suspect that several previous England managers have failed because they weren’t smart enough or not as smart as they thought they where,

I’m optimistic that Thomas Tuchell fits the bill for the job as I’m sure the recruitment wasn’t based upon the criteria of him being English & a major trophy winner, then again it wouldn’t be would it as there’s very few candidates with that background about. Though it might have based upon knowing how to win, if nothing else he & his compatriots have a good record there.

Good post.  

Without question Southgate's strength lied with his ability to build that unity.  I think the criticism against him is that with the array of talent he had at his disposal that wasn't enough, which is probably fair.  Unity, dressing room togetherness and all that is beneficial.  But I'd argue it's more of a requirement at club level than international.  The Dutch and French have seen success (or gone very close) despite constantly suffering from in-fighting.  Not at international level, but Alex Ferguson managed to get the best out of his Man Utd side that weren't best pals, to the point that Teddy Sheringham and Andy Cole didn't speak for a long time.

Of course it's a valid comment about the time an international manager has to coach players, which is why I've always been a bit cool on the idea of Pep as England boss - go back to his very early Man City days and it was far from the polished article.  He wouldn't be afforded the time as England boss to implement his style.

If Tuchel, or anyone else, can come in and get the best out of this set of players then we will achieve.  I do agree that there is some flaws in the squad.  Left-back as one, potentially a viable back-up to Kane, the lack of options at right-back with Walker on the wane...but show me any successful international side that were all World Class players.  There isn't one.  All had very good players, some world class players, but also just run of the mill players as well.  It's how you get the best out of them as a unit.

Southgate, to my eyes, got caught a little bit in trying to please everyone and making sure he got his best players out on the pitch, even if it upset the balance.  I'm not sure if that was loyalty, pressure or just a lack of tactical nous.  But I don't think (and hope!) that Tuchel will have the balls to come in and do what's necessary to make us genuine winners.  It won't be to this extreme but if the team is better without a Bellingham then so be it.  

I'm interested to see how he sets us up.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

The job of an international manager is firstly to create an environment that people want to be part of,  

Reminds me when Vicente Del Bosque took over as Spain manager; healed the wounds of Barcelona and Real Madrid players helped by the long standing friendship between Casillas and Xavi who smoothed things over . Jose Mourinho from accounts didn't help as he tried to foster a us and then mentality between Real and Barca verging on the nasty and didn't like the close bond between Xavi and Casillas.

I personally think the rules should be that the manager should be the same nationality as the team.
But as they’re not then I want the best available person for the job whatever nationality.
As for singing the National Anthem. Of course he shouldn’t sing it.  He’s not English.  He shouldn’t even have to consider it.As for getting a manager that can win us trophies.  People seem to forget they can only choose players eligible to play for England.  So I want a manager that delivers the best results possible with the squad available.  That unfortunately does not mean we should automatically be winning the World Cup.  🤔

Yeah, the national anthem thing is bizarre. Why should be he expected to sing it? Doesn't make sense.

Why should anyone be expected to sing it?  

It's a bloody awful song pledging allegiance to a regime that has no connection to, or care for, the person on the street.

I'm all for national pride but let's not make our national anthem about a non-elected head of state who we pay to upkeep.   It's just bizarre behaviour all round.

Yeah, but apart from winning the Champions League, the French league (twice), the French Super Cup, the German League, the German Cup, The World Club Championship, The Super Cup, and being voted World's Best Coach in 2021  what has He ever done to deserve a shot at the England job?

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

Classic Daily Mail

'A questionable managerial background'... Really?

Bonkers.

"The laughing stock of the world game"  

It’s a good job our Royal Family isn’t in any way German isn’t it……

Quoted from RonMariner

It’s a good job our Royal Family isn’t in any way German isn’t it……

The current lot are probably more Greek than German, though the Greek bloke was also a bit German & Danish, and married a women who was a bit German, Scottish (well the estates are) with some English bloody hell they should have been selling pegs & putting curses on people. Sorry a bit non Fußball

The article asks 'Is this REALLY the best we can do?'

They have a point. Why didn't they go with an English manager who has won The Champions League, you know like erm........,

Ok, so no Englishman has ever won The Champions league. So why not pick from the list of English managers who have won The Premier league instead. Here's the list:-

Erm......

Oh well,  Ian Holloway is looking for work. He's English isn't he?

Quoted from diehardmariner

Why should anyone be expected to sing it?  

It's a bloody awful song pledging allegiance to a regime that has no connection to, or care for, the person on the street.

I'm all for national pride but let's not make our national anthem about a non-elected head of state who we pay to upkeep.   It's just bizarre behaviour all round.

Iam with you that the English anthem is boring but the Royal family stems from Alfred the Great who prevented England from falling to the Danes. He also helped promote literacy and numeracy.

I get some people dont like the pomp and pageantry associated with the Royals but others do and also the tradition that comes alongside it .In a world that is becoming more and more secular alongside materialism its not a bad thing to retain that side of history which gives one a sense of identity.  

I also feel if you take the national anthems away something would be taken away from the aura of the World Cups and European Championships where passions can run high. Looking at the Italians or the French at times (whose anthems are better) in the football and rugby you can see what it means to people and gets teams hyped up.

Quoted from Rick12

Iam with you that the English anthem is boring but the Royal family stems from Alfred the Great who prevented England from falling to the Danes. He also helped promote literacy and numeracy.

Eh? Haven't you heard of the Battle of Hastings?

That's when the Normans took over. Since then we've variously had further French, Dutch and German monarchs. The Saxe-Coburgs have less relation to Alfred the Great than probably half of the population.

Most of those were feudal illegitimates who only cared about how much money the serfs could generate for them.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Why should anyone be expected to sing it?  

It's a bloody awful song pledging allegiance to a regime that has no connection to, or care for, the person on the street.

I'm all for national pride but let's not make our national anthem about a non-elected head of state who we pay to upkeep.   It's just bizarre behaviour all round.

Totally agree. I’m non-religious and a pragmatic republican (I would get rid of the royal family but understand I’m in a minority so don’t lose any sleep over the subject) so I have 2 issues with it. The god part and the king part.

Quoted from Maringer

Eh? Haven't you heard of the Battle of Hastings?

That's when the Normans took over. Since then we've variously had further French, Dutch and German monarchs. The Saxe-Coburgs have less relation to Alfred the Great than probably half of the population.

Most of those were feudal illegitimates who only cared about how much money the serfs could generate for them.

Fair points but going right back it appears the Celts were the original conquers of England . I agree  with you in that there were ancient rulers who  were abusers of power however you did get some that were decent people it seems notably Alfred the Great.

Quoted from Maringer

Eh? Haven't you heard of the Battle of Hastings?

That's when the Normans took over. Since then we've variously had further French, Dutch and German monarchs. The Saxe-Coburgs have less relation to Alfred the Great than probably half of the population.

Most of those were feudal illegitimates who only cared about how much money the serfs could generate for them.

Exactly. The Glorious Revolution is bizarrely neglected from British history. I wonder why?

And the best example of the feudal system is the words to verse 3 of “All Things Bright and Beautiful”…

The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them, high or lowly,
And ordered their estate.

Rough translation: stick in your lane scum!