Tuchel for England

Oh, and I agree, that coaches (and players), travelling to work I. Europe would be a really great idea. Broaden your horizons and see what you can learn. The fact that the PL is the richest in the world means that too few English players head overseas. It hasn't hurt Bellingham, has it?

That said, it's easy for me to say players should effectively take a pay cut just to get some experience. Not my bank account taking the hit.

Hear me out on this but does anyone truly believe that an international manager actually has time to coach? The job of an England manager isn’t to be able to develop the ability of players that are already technically good & well coached at their top flight clubs in whatever league they play in.

The job of an international manager is firstly fo create an environment that people want to be part of, Gareth did this brilliantly because amongst other things he understood the needs of highly paid & adored 18-30 year olds & how to bring them together to work for each other, something several of his predecessors where clueless about. He also clearly knows how to build interdependent relationships quickly on an individual basis.

There loads more facets to the job but once you’ve got the environment right the next most important is to be able to set the resource you have up to win several games versus what can be very different opponents in a short period of time, you know those things called tournaments. You hear players talk about it loads “we won trophies because the manager told us our jobs & kept it simple & we were a tight unit”.

I’d argue that psychology comes into this role more than people would credit, you can set the team of super stars up to win a game but the winning edge in big career defining moments generally comes from mindset, attitude & desire. BTW for the Sun readers out there that’s not “let’s go out there & kick f**k out of the krauts lads” it much more balanced, cleverer, subtle & nuanced.

There loads more to the role I’m sure & plenty that I’d never know & understand but I’m not convinced it’s all about getting the tracksuit & boots on setting up sessions & getting X player to take better free kicks or finish in 121 situations. I can’t back this up but I’d suspect that several previous England managers have failed because they weren’t smart enough or not as smart as they thought they where,

I’m optimistic that Thomas Tuchell fits the bill for the job as I’m sure the recruitment wasn’t based upon the criteria of him being English & a major trophy winner, then again it wouldn’t be would it as there’s very few candidates with that background about. Though it might have based upon knowing how to win, if nothing else he & his compatriots have a good record there.

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Oh, and I agree, that coaches (and players), travelling to work I. Europe would be a really great idea. Broaden your horizons and see what you can learn. The fact that the PL is the richest in the world means that too few English players head overseas. It hasn't hurt Bellingham, has it?

That said, it's easy for me to say players should effectively take a pay cut just to get some experience. Not my bank account taking the hit.

Good point. Like me if you took a pay cut you’d probably find it a bit harder to pay your bills and have to holiday in a caravan in Brid.

If a top flight player or even up and coming top flight club talent takes a pay cut they might have to swop the top of the range G class for a 6 serious coupe, slow down the Rolex collection to one a month & put the stylist & girl who does your Twitter account on part time hours whilst your gaining experience overseas.

For the highest-earning players, moving to Europe might mean they have to buy a smaller island to live on once they've retired and could then only afford to have a few butlers attending to their every whim instead of a dozen!

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For the highest-earning players, moving to Europe might mean they have to buy a smaller island to live on once they've retired and could then only afford to have a few butlers attending to their every whim instead of a dozen!

Or if you're Kyle Walker you'd have a few less.......... o.k. lets not go there  

I've got to admit, I've never read what he has been up to. Sounds as though I shouldn't bother!

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Hear me out on this but does anyone truly believe that an international manager actually has time to coach? The job of an England manager isn’t to be able to develop the ability of players that are already technically good & well coached at their top flight clubs in whatever league they play in.

The job of an international manager is firstly fo create an environment that people want to be part of, Gareth did this brilliantly because amongst other things he understood the needs of highly paid & adored 18-30 year olds & how to bring them together to work for each other, something several of his predecessors where clueless about. He also clearly knows how to build interdependent relationships quickly on an individual basis.

There loads more facets to the job but once you’ve got the environment right the next most important is to be able to set the resource you have up to win several games versus what can be very different opponents in a short period of time, you know those things called tournaments. You hear players talk about it loads “we won trophies because the manager told us our jobs & kept it simple & we were a tight unit”.

I’d argue that psychology comes into this role more than people would credit, you can set the team of super stars up to win a game but the winning edge in big career defining moments generally comes from mindset, attitude & desire. BTW for the Sun readers out there that’s not “let’s go out there & kick f**k out of the krauts lads” it much more balanced, cleverer, subtle & nuanced.

There loads more to the role I’m sure & plenty that I’d never know & understand but I’m not convinced it’s all about getting the tracksuit & boots on setting up sessions & getting X player to take better free kicks or finish in 121 situations. I can’t back this up but I’d suspect that several previous England managers have failed because they weren’t smart enough or not as smart as they thought they where,

I’m optimistic that Thomas Tuchell fits the bill for the job as I’m sure the recruitment wasn’t based upon the criteria of him being English & a major trophy winner, then again it wouldn’t be would it as there’s very few candidates with that background about. Though it might have based upon knowing how to win, if nothing else he & his compatriots have a good record there.

Good post.  

Without question Southgate's strength lied with his ability to build that unity.  I think the criticism against him is that with the array of talent he had at his disposal that wasn't enough, which is probably fair.  Unity, dressing room togetherness and all that is beneficial.  But I'd argue it's more of a requirement at club level than international.  The Dutch and French have seen success (or gone very close) despite constantly suffering from in-fighting.  Not at international level, but Alex Ferguson managed to get the best out of his Man Utd side that weren't best pals, to the point that Teddy Sheringham and Andy Cole didn't speak for a long time.

Of course it's a valid comment about the time an international manager has to coach players, which is why I've always been a bit cool on the idea of Pep as England boss - go back to his very early Man City days and it was far from the polished article.  He wouldn't be afforded the time as England boss to implement his style.

If Tuchel, or anyone else, can come in and get the best out of this set of players then we will achieve.  I do agree that there is some flaws in the squad.  Left-back as one, potentially a viable back-up to Kane, the lack of options at right-back with Walker on the wane...but show me any successful international side that were all World Class players.  There isn't one.  All had very good players, some world class players, but also just run of the mill players as well.  It's how you get the best out of them as a unit.

Southgate, to my eyes, got caught a little bit in trying to please everyone and making sure he got his best players out on the pitch, even if it upset the balance.  I'm not sure if that was loyalty, pressure or just a lack of tactical nous.  But I don't think (and hope!) that Tuchel will have the balls to come in and do what's necessary to make us genuine winners.  It won't be to this extreme but if the team is better without a Bellingham then so be it.  

I'm interested to see how he sets us up.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

The job of an international manager is firstly to create an environment that people want to be part of,  

Reminds me when Vicente Del Bosque took over as Spain manager; healed the wounds of Barcelona and Real Madrid players helped by the long standing friendship between Casillas and Xavi who smoothed things over . Jose Mourinho from accounts didn't help as he tried to foster a us and then mentality between Real and Barca verging on the nasty and didn't like the close bond between Xavi and Casillas.

I personally think the rules should be that the manager should be the same nationality as the team.
But as they’re not then I want the best available person for the job whatever nationality.
As for singing the National Anthem. Of course he shouldn’t sing it.  He’s not English.  He shouldn’t even have to consider it.As for getting a manager that can win us trophies.  People seem to forget they can only choose players eligible to play for England.  So I want a manager that delivers the best results possible with the squad available.  That unfortunately does not mean we should automatically be winning the World Cup.  🤔

Yeah, the national anthem thing is bizarre. Why should be he expected to sing it? Doesn't make sense.