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Are you thinking immigrants or illegal immigrants. Surely we have a choice of what legal immigrants we allow into this country. As for the illegals they should be behind barbed wire instead of hotels. Both main parties are as bad as each other on this matter as far as I am concerned and very much doubt if either will get my vote - and as for the Lib Dems------------
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Wow. Maybe i should have refrained from starting this thread. Just thought it was funny that an ex prime minister who is so immediately recognisable and so not northern, would be sporting a Grimsby Town hat. No other motive just other than odd to say the least. We are hardly, or so i thought, so " on trend ". Maybe we are?. Not gonna get drawn into what shoulda, coulda, woulda have happened with Covid other than to offer just one observation. Every single person that i know, at some stage deliberately broke/bent Covid rules to suit what they at the time thought they had to do to get by. Every one. Even the ones who largely complied with most rules, broke them on occasions. By and large, the politicians did the same. Its just the newspapers were not after stories about us, we were not going to make the front page holding a BBQ in our back yards. Boris used to be such a well liked guy by the British Public. Guess he aint any more.
There’s going for two dog walks in a day or whatever and there’s meeting for a barbecue though isn’t there? Very easy to get away with covid breaches in backwaters like Gainsborough as well. They were literally making the rules which most people did follow and partying in the building the rules were coming from at the same time! He was popular with absolute morons (I do not apoligise for this) who think his well spoken voice and bumbling demeanour were funny. He was wearing a Town hat to go in and out of the inquiry so that people didn’t talk about the fact he was there accused of gross negligence. People have been distracted by it (5live mentioned it maybe half a dozen times yesterday; the Independent, Mail and Guardian ran stories on it) and the same morons who put him in power are lapping it up. |
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The boomers who:
Bought their houses when they were plentiful and cheap relative to wages.
Benefitted from Labour’s post war ‘contract with the people’ national renewal programme but who vote Tory
Who have hoardes of savings and investments, range rovers, superb pensions, private health but want the ladder pulling up
Screwed the young because they voted brexit and now hate foreigners and love Suella.
I know and see loads and loads of them.
Will you be able to manage on the old age pension or will you have to rely on private means. I don't think the situations you quote above apply to the average pensioner ( PS learn to spell  ) |
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| MuddyWaters |
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Are you thinking immigrants or illegal immigrants. Surely we have a choice of what legal immigrants we allow into this country. As for the illegals they should be behind barbed wire instead of hotels. Both main parties are as bad as each other on this matter as far as I am concerned and very much doubt if either will get my vote - and as for the Lib Dems------------
It's worth remembering that anyone can seek asylum - that doesn't make them illegal immigrants. Getting on a dinghy is not illegal, it's a desperate attempt to find a better life. Labour plan to put in asylum assessment facilities in France which is what any sane government would do. Instead the Tories fill people's heads with vitriol and bile. And you know what's worse, many of their parents wouldn't have got here under their rules. |
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Bear in mind that the old age pension isn't paid out of money you have 'saved' by paying National Insurance. N.I. is just just a tax by any other name and has never been 'saved' for the future.
The state actually creates the money out of nothing to fund the pension (bonds are also sold to help 'balance the books'), but they need workers to keep the economy going to make it possible to fund them. The OAPs railing against these immigrants who we desperately need in our economy are actually complaining about the people who are going to help keep them clothed and fed, figuratively, as well as often literally.
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People are tarring all immigrants and illegal immigrants with the same brush. Those that have landed here and disappeared are illegal. If they get caught they are deported, anyone employing them are very heavily fined.
The other ones that get here are asylum seekers. They are held in accommodation until their case into if they stay or not in heared. If they are allowed to stay they are expected to get jobs and buy houses etc. They are not given houses as the far right will have you believe.
Because of austerity we don't have the means to process their claims so they end up waiting years for their cases to be heared. This is what is causing the huge backlog and having to find somewhere to put them.
It's the stupidity of this government that has caused this massive problem in the first place.
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People are tarring all immigrants and illegal immigrants with the same brush. Those that have landed here and disappeared are illegal. If they get caught they are deported, anyone employing them are very heavily fined.
The other ones that get here are asylum seekers. They are held in accommodation until their case into if they stay or not in heared. If they are allowed to stay they are expected to get jobs and buy houses etc. They are not given houses as the far right will have you believe.
Because of austerity we don't have the means to process their claims so they end up waiting years for their cases to be heared. This is what is causing the huge backlog and having to find somewhere to put them.
It's the stupidity of this government that has caused this massive problem in the first place.
As I say above, a sensible government would have spent £140 million on a proper assessment system. This government would rather give it to Rwanda and fill you full of xenophobic propaganda. |
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| December 8, 2023, 12:20pm |
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It's worth remembering that anyone can seek asylum - that doesn't make them illegal immigrants. Getting on a dinghy is not illegal, it's a desperate attempt to find a better life. Labour plan to put in asylum assessment facilities in France which is what any sane government would do. Instead the Tories fill people's heads with vitriol and bile. And you know what's worse, many of their parents wouldn't have got here under their rules.
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| mimma |
| December 8, 2023, 12:38pm |
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As a matter of interest has anybody seen the details of the Rwanda deal?
We have to give them an unlimited number of visas to live here, the number of asylum seekers we send them is, wait for it, 200 a year! Yes two hundred a year.
Madness. It is cheaper to give them a house and put them on benefits.
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| December 8, 2023, 12:59pm |
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