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Most of the players won’t take us were we need to be I think DA will be ruthless in the close season and I prey he is.
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He doesn't strike me as a soft touch.. he looks like he is quite capable of being ruthless when required.
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Certainly needs to be an inquest and to learn from it
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Stockwoods interview on Humberside and his programme notes would indicate so, think we're in for a very interesting summer.
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Stockwoods interview on Humberside and his programme notes would indicate so, think we're in for a very interesting summer.
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Have to be ruthless, no sentiment. Bye to some who have served us well in Clifton and Gav, bye to Green, bye to many many more
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Have to be ruthless, no sentiment. Bye to some who have served us well in Clifton and Gav, bye to Green, bye to many many more
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How can you have an inquest without the guy who brought most of these players to the club? Lessons will have been learnt by the owners, manager and coaching staff. It's up to DA now to prove his worth and bring the right players to the club.
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The first inquest needs to be on why Artell was allowed to get absolute dogs abuse from a big section of our fans yet not one of them mentioned the absolute excrement show Hurst left us.
The owners have taken some stick but well done to them for sticking with Artell and allowing him some time.
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The first inquest needs to be on why Artell was allowed to get absolute dogs abuse from a big section of our fans yet not one of them mentioned the absolute excrement show Hurst left us.
The owners have taken some stick but well done to them for sticking with Artell and allowing him some time.
I don't think that's remotely true. There's plenty of posts on here and twitter discussing just how bad a situation Hurst left us in. |
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The first inquest needs to be on why Artell was allowed to get absolute dogs abuse from a big section of our fans yet not one of them mentioned the absolute excrement show Hurst left us.
The owners have taken some stick but well done to them for sticking with Artell and allowing him some time.
Lets not dress it up, he came in and made us worse. We all saw it, those home defeats to Walsall, Donny, out of other games after 20 minutes. Its only because the players went to him and said we cannot play this way that it changed He’s ground out some results, but lets not kid ourselves here. He deserves a summer ( I admit I wanted him gone after Donny) but Ive never seen a manager lose a fanbase so quickly. He has a lot to prove imo |
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I don't think that's remotely true. There's plenty of posts on here and twitter discussing just how bad a situation Hurst left us in.
The overwhelming majority of this board gave Artell stick, a portion of those gave him absolute dogs abuse for something that lied right at Hursts door. Hurst was mentioned by some no doubt, but it was Artell who took the majority of the flack. |
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On his post match interview DA said that he already knows who he wants to stay and go, and that they will be informed more or less straight after the Crawley game.
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Lets not dress it up, he came in and made us worse. We all saw it, those home defeats to Walsall, Donny, out of other games after 20 minutes. Its only because the players went to him and said we cannot play this way that it changed
He’s ground out some results, but lets not kid ourselves here.
He deserves a summer ( I admit I wanted him gone after Donny) but Ive never seen a manager lose a fanbase so quickly. He has a lot to prove imo
Who knew that he might’ve needed some time to adapt to things? Since Donny our form is very solid, just about upper mid table. He signed good players in January and in reality we’ve comfortably avoided the drop points wise. Funny how those who don’t like him (you were one of the worst) always lean on it being the players who told him to change tactics, because you’d hate it to be Artell who turned it around. |
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Who knew that he might’ve needed some time to adapt to things?
Since Donny our form is very solid, just about upper mid table. He signed good players in January and in reality we’ve comfortably avoided the drop points wise.
Funny how those who don’t like him (you were one of the worst) always lean on it being the players who told him to change tactics, because you’d hate it to be Artell who turned it around.
It was the players. I dont need to justify it to you , you arrogant little man. flipping hell scraping 20th in League 2, lets have a bloody party and blame the fans for not supporting Artell after getting hammered 5 and 6-0. |
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No secret that I would rather not have DA because his records stinks (I'm sure someone knows what it is) and it just seems to have been chaotic the whole time he's been here.
I have no doubt that he will be in charge next season and I will again have a ST and again support him because he will be the Gaffer.
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I want to look forwards now and forget this season. They need to get at it quickly when recruiting in the summer. Last year it seemed a bit casual, little urgency. It’ll be alright on the night seemed to be the attitude. Hope they have been busy identifying possible new signings already.
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It was the players. I dont need to justify it to you , you arrogant little man.
flipping hell scraping 20th in League 2, lets have a bloody party and blame the fans for not supporting Artell after getting hammered 5 and 6-0.
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It was the players. I dont need to justify it to you , you arrogant little man.
flipping hell scraping 20th in League 2, lets have a bloody party and blame the fans for not supporting Artell after getting hammered 5 and 6-0.
Was it the players? Who knows exactly what was said at the meeting except those present or did somebody there tell you what was said. Unless you're were present it's either " he said , she said " or conjecture. |
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which interview was that? Got a link?
what did he say in his programme notes?
Tweet 1781679436095447341 will appear here... He was very open and honest in the programme notes, says the book stops with them and apolgises for the shocking season and realised it wasn't good enough. |
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It was the players. I dont need to justify it to you , you arrogant little man.
flipping hell scraping 20th in League 2, lets have a bloody party and blame the fans for not supporting Artell after getting hammered 5 and 6-0.
I was an idiot for saying he needed time early in the season, now I’m arrogant for reminding you how wrong you were. If you’re happy enough to label him ‘dopey Dave’ and constantly remind us how he’s taking us down I’m quite happy to remind you of that when it turns out to be incorrect. No party happening here, but some respect to Artell for eventually making a pretty good job of it |
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Pointless argument, lads.
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Pointless argument, lads.
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JS has put the players went to Artell thing to bed, said it was Artell that was very open and frank in the talks with everyone.
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The inquest has already happened by the sound of it.
Hurst went against the wishes of the owners and Artell is happy to share responsibility with the data people regarding signings. Going to be an interesting summer but, in spite of a lot of pain, we’re watching League football again next season.
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Is it just me or did Stockwood say the budget is terrible for next season?
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In not so many words it sounds like Hurst didn't follow the data lead plan, and that the owners allowed him to get away with it. The good news is that that won't happen again.
The data lead approach clearly worked in January with the signing of Thompson and Tharme. If they keep up that level of targeted recruitment we should have a far better squad next season.
It's obvious too that there is no desire to remove Artell.
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Paul Hurst made poor acquisitions and wasted a great opportunity.
Inquest over.
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Is it just me or did Stockwood say the budget is terrible for next season?
I heard that, and it bothered me a bit, he said terrible in the football league and abysmal, if in the National League |
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Is it just me or did Stockwood say the budget is terrible for next season?
No, he did say that. I hope he adds some context or comparative detail to that because if he’s declaring now that the budget is ‘terrible’ next year, we’ll get more of the same. And…it’s not entirely helpful in terms of prospective season ticket sales. I hope he qualifies/addresses this. |
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Is it just me or did Stockwood say the budget is terrible for next season?
Pretty clear he meant the overall finances rather than, specifically, the playing budget. Nevertheless, looking forward to this line being repeated on an almost daily basis for the next year - the narrative has been set! They’ve previously said they were expecting to lose 6-figures every season but were fine with that. Imagine next year will be more of the same. |
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It was an absolute car crash by the Donny game, and whatever the reasons are for the change in style, the important thing is that it saw us to safety.
I am still cautious about next season, but I hope that Artell has learned a lot about his footballing principles over the last few months.
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Defended Hurst to the hilt and to my detriment. I was wrong. I hope Artell succeeds. Even in the bleakest moments post Donny I thought he was the right manager at the wrong time. I’m glad he’s got a summer to sort it out. He’s earned that at least.
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I've been reading all the posts. Agreed utterly crap season. I've been 6 times only and not seen us win at all, I've traveled over 1000 miles but I still love this club.
Artel I think will come good. If he wasn't the right guy, they players would not have played for him. They did post Donny so there's a leader there somewhere.
Anyways look at the other things we do as a club. [https://youtu.be/0FqeTerEPwE?si=jkj1dOF6_bvf5dxw] I have just been laughing at stuff like this. Believe it or not fishy fans, we are bloody marvellous. So let's enjoy and celebrate being a league club tonight x
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Let's not rewrite history, it went sour under Hurst but that run under Artell was one of, if not the most diabolical in the clubs history. And given our recent history that's saying something.
Even Alex Ferguson would have taken flack for turning in results like that, especially given the stuff he was spouting which was directly contradicting what people were physically seeing.
All that being said I've never quite seen such a hand break turn perfomed and he deserves a lot of credit for that. We've done enough to limp out the season, and must do much much better next time around.
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Sounds like Artell was brought in to play the 'game model' the owners wanted baffles me that anyone thought the players we had could try and play that way, glad it was abandoned to make us more solid...
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We would have been safe with Hurst. Artell deserves credit for changing his his style but probably would have been sacked if he didn't. I think he deserves a chance now and I'm hoping he does well next season.
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It’s obvious the budget will not be able to compete in the top half of lg2 so unless the data guys get it right it will be more of the same
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We had a good budget and it was largely wasted. Sounds like the data guys didn’t get much of a look in. Tharne and Thompson give me reason to be mildly optimistic.
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Is it just me or did Stockwood say the budget is terrible for next season?
I think he was referring to the circumstances surrounding the finances as a whole, like the impact it would of had on the club as he referred to it not being a disaster but not to the point where it'd of been existential if we did go down. It's public knowledge the work needed on the main stand in the off season and there's a few other things being worked on. I reference back to a point that JS & AP made at a fans forum that they said they'd never reduce the playing budget and it'd either stay the same or improve so I don't see the playing budget being reduced for next season. |
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We would have been safe with Hurst. Artell deserves credit for changing his his style but probably would have been sacked if he didn't. I think he deserves a chance now and I'm hoping he does well next season.
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It can be true that we were absolutely awful under Artell for large periods and that he did a good job keeping this urine poor squad up. He’s earned a go at next season but think he’s got a job on as any manager would in this position.
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No, he did say that.
I hope he adds some context or comparative detail to that because if he’s declaring now that the budget is ‘terrible’ next year, we’ll get more of the same. And…it’s not entirely helpful in terms of prospective season ticket sales.
I hope he qualifies/addresses this.
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Question is, who would Hurst have managed to sign in the window? If he'd signed the same players, I'd imagine he'd have (narrowly) kept us up, as they have made a big difference. Mostly Thompson, of course, but also Tharme, Smith and to a lesser extent, Obikwu and Hume.
Ultimately, he shat the bed with the summer signings because, even after winning today, I couldn't help but think that there were a fair few players out there that I wouldn't want to stay. He's yesterday's news now, however and is at a different club so we don't need to worry about him.
Major rebuild required in the summer. I'm assuming we'll aim to get Ainley signed up as he showed what we've been missing this season in his cameo - intelligent play, ball retention, a range of accurate passing. A lot of players to depart and Artell will certainly be aware of what we need in this squad (pace, especially!). Let's just hope we can sign the right players.
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I’ve seen enough good stuff from green in the last few weeks to think he deserves another chance . Looks a lot more capable given more freedom to play .
Seriously if we want to progress we need much better than Green. The man gives 100% and is more than decent in the air but he has little mobility, absolutely no pace whatsoever and his passing is poor more often than not. I can’t see any footballing reasons to retain his services but thank him for being an honest and good professional. |
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Seriously if we want to progress we need much better than Green. The man gives 100% and is more than decent in the air but he has little mobility, absolutely no pace whatsoever and his passing is poor more often than not. I can’t see any footballing reasons to retain his services but thank him for being an honest and good professional.
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No, he did say that.
I hope he adds some context or comparative detail to that because if he’s declaring now that the budget is ‘terrible’ next year, we’ll get more of the same. And…it’s not entirely helpful in terms of prospective season ticket sales.
I hope he qualifies/addresses this.
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I’ve seen enough good stuff from green in the last few weeks to think he deserves another chance . Looks a lot more capable given more freedom to play .
I think he’s ‘coached on’ and made me revise my opinion of him to some extent. Earlier in the season I’d have said he was just too limited to be a good player at this level but I think he’s evolved some aspects of his game to make me think we should probably retain him for his attributes, which aren’t that common as a combination. Technically looks limited, and no significant goals or assist return, or ‘game changing’ instances to speak of. As a midfielder, you might want more, and rightly so, but…his fitness, energy, total commitment, injury resistance, versatility, presence….all big ticks. There’ll be games when you want that in your squad. I’d persevere with him and see if he can keep improving. And still look to totally rebuild the midfielders ranks with another two or three technically/creatively better recruits. |
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I’ve seen enough good stuff from green in the last few weeks to think he deserves another chance . Looks a lot more capable given more freedom to play .
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The issue with keeping Green is that it’s almost universally agreed that our midfield has been our weakest part of a weak team this season. Yet we’ve already got Thompson signed which is great. Hunt is back who may or may not make the step up and is a bit of a gamble. We’ve got Khouri who has at times looked promising but it’s another gamble. And I suspect Ainley will be offered a contract. So if you also kept Green you’d have five central midfielders kept on from this season, not leaving much scope for major improvements.
I actually think under Artell that a fit Ainley could be a great addition to the midfield but I’d be uncomfortable just signing one new midfielder. And unless Hunt and Khouri were loaned out again in which case you’d argue why keep them at all, you’d end up with seven which seems excessive. Green has improved recently in some games but is still extremely limited. Personally I’d gamble that we could find two players who are both better than he is and make big improvements to that area rather than stick with him.
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I get the impression that the retained list will be punished very quickly after the Crawley game and that work on new transfer targets is well underway. At least I think so, the post match on YouTube had dreadful audio for some reason.
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Sorry but if we are to challenge for a playoff spot next season we need players of Thompson’s quality across the midfield. We need a couple more like him. I think Green, Holohan , Hunt and Clifton are probably better off in the NL now.
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Sorry but if we are to challenge for a playoff spot next season we need players of Thompson’s quality across the midfield. We need a couple more like him. I think Green, Holohan , Hunt and Clifton are probably better off in the NL now.
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Green is a symbol of why we've endured another season at the bottom of league 2. Touted as the main transfer target that we had pursued all summer when we returned to the league, which is really a sobering thought.
Fair play, he always gives his all, but has poor technical ability, mobility and is often too gung ho when played deeper, leaving gaps in our midfielder, which is why I'm suspecting Artell hasn't played him too deep.
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Hurst would of taken us down again i’m sure of that.
Artell redeemed himself after a disastrous start to his town career.
I think Stockwood is expecting a large drop off of season ticket renewals this summer which will effect player budget.
We also have a fair few players on two year deals which we are stuck with so DA has a little bit of scope for improvements but not a great deal i suspect.
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I think Hurst was taking us down, personally.
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Sorry but if we are to challenge for a playoff spot next season we need players of Thompson’s quality across the midfield. We need a couple more like him. I think Green, Holohan , Hunt and Clifton are probably better off in the NL now.
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The issue with keeping Green is that it’s almost universally agreed that our midfield has been our weakest part of a weak team this season. Yet we’ve already got Thompson signed which is great. Hunt is back who may or may not make the step up and is a bit of a gamble. We’ve got Khouri who has at times looked promising but it’s another gamble. And I suspect Ainley will be offered a contract. So if you also kept Green you’d have five central midfielders kept on from this season, not leaving much scope for major improvements.
I actually think under Artell that a fit Ainley could be a great addition to the midfield but I’d be uncomfortable just signing one new midfielder. And unless Hunt and Khouri were loaned out again in which case you’d argue why keep them at all, you’d end up with seven which seems excessive. Green has improved recently in some games but is still extremely limited. Personally I’d gamble that we could find two players who are both better than he is and make big improvements to that area rather than stick with him.
The decision on Green will, I suspect rest on the view on Khouri. Most on here agree he’s not what we need as a first choice starter. But if there are budget constraints, and Khouri is going out on loan again, he’s worth retaining as a squad player, Players with his level of energy, commitment and resilience, even with lack of technical ability can do a job at this level when we’ve a couple out injured, or from the bench. We need 5 CMs and we have 1 under contract who has been a regular starter recently. Ainley is a free agent. A lot of business to do if Hunt and Khouri aren’t going to be regulars. |
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It was the players. I dont need to justify it to you , you arrogant little man.
flipping hell scraping 20th in League 2, lets have a bloody party and blame the fans for not supporting Artell after getting hammered 5 and 6-0.
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Not sure an inquest achieves too much as we clearly have a process that is designed to create an identity in the way we play. Reading between the lines feels like Hurst wasn’t a believer but I’m convinced Artell is.
Who stays & who goes I suspect will be partly data driven as well as how they’d fit with the identity of how we want to play.
Sounds like we’ve been sat on 2 “what if” plans based upon staying up & going down, thankfully well now be going with the former so let’s see what happens.
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A lot has been said about last summer’s recruitment. Yes I agree we signed some dross, but Rose and Conteh were excellent signings and Vernam was not far behind once he got himself fit. In fact 4 of our worst performers this season have been Clifton, Holohan, Maher and Glennon – all of whom were with us BEFORE last summer’s recruitment.
The whole season has been shaped by many players going through an alarming loss of form which has been difficult to explain and there’s no doubt there needs to be major surgery before next season – especially in midfield.
I still remain unconvinced by Artell. At one stage he seemed to be marching us to the precipice of non-league oblivion with his naïve brand of pisssing about at the back, which caused players’ confidence to drain away before our very eyes. However, credit to him for having the good sense to listen to people’s concerns and make a complete U-turn.
I just hope that some serious lessons have been learned from this dreadful season and that we can regain our faith in the club and its future.
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i was told the same thing rose went to see him & told him straight if we carry on trying to play his way we'd be relegated
I can believe that, tbf. There was a moment during the Donny game, as a rendition of “you’re not fit to wear the shirt” rang out, where Danny Rose (who had been running his árse into the ground”, looked to the lower Findus crowd with an expression of “what the fúck am I doing here” written all over his face. Of course it wasn’t his fault, but he had found himself a part of the circus nonetheless. I can believe he would have been at the front of any queue to point out something had to change. That said, that Donny game in particular I think anyone with the vaguest knowledge of the game could see where things were going wrong and where things had to change. In that sense, it was probably a blessing in disguise; the moment the frog was thrown straight into boiling water. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that everyone, from the owners to the manager to the players, reached the same conclusion at the same time. To some degree, Stockwood’s comments yesterday suggest Artell was effectively just following orders in terms of playing style, and that probably explains why he was given the opportunity to turn things around - something I felt was inexplicable at the time but a decision that has since validated itself. Ultimately, I don’t think it matters who or what was the catalyst for change. It’s now 14 games since the Donny debacle, and we’ve taken a very solid 20 points, which is a remarkable about turn in my book. If the owners, manager and players were collectively responsible for getting into the fine mess we found ourselves in back in Feb, they collectively deserve credit for getting us out of it again. We could be facing a very different set of circumstances right now, so thank the lord we aren’t. I see us at a fork in the road now. I think the direction we head in next will have a large bearing on the direction of travel for the club over the next 10 years or so. Best take the learnings from this season and get it right this time. See you ‘orrible lot again in August. |
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No secret that I would rather not have DA because his records stinks (I'm sure someone knows what it is) and it just seems to have been chaotic the whole time he's been here.
I have no doubt that he will be in charge next season and I will again have a ST and again support him because he will be the Gaffer.
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The issue with keeping Green is that it’s almost universally agreed that our midfield has been our weakest part of a weak team this season. Yet we’ve already got Thompson signed which is great. Hunt is back who may or may not make the step up and is a bit of a gamble. We’ve got Khouri who has at times looked promising but it’s another gamble. And I suspect Ainley will be offered a contract. So if you also kept Green you’d have five central midfielders kept on from this season, not leaving much scope for major improvements.
I actually think under Artell that a fit Ainley could be a great addition to the midfield but I’d be uncomfortable just signing one new midfielder. And unless Hunt and Khouri were loaned out again in which case you’d argue why keep them at all, you’d end up with seven which seems excessive. Green has improved recently in some games but is still extremely limited. Personally I’d gamble that we could find two players who are both better than he is and make big improvements to that area rather than stick with him.
I’d imagine Hunt and Clifton will be gone. Thompson, Ainley, Khouri and Green plus another with some quality would work. Green and Khouri being the back ups. |
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I was lead to believe that PH didn't like the players that had been identified by the data so he ignored the prospects and went his own way. And, yes we would've gone down.
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Tweet 1781999548170179057 will appear here... Jason clarified the comments made about budgets yesterday on Twitter, refreshing to see the open and honesty.
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I think if Hurst had stayed we would be relegated.
It's been very poor, but well done everyone involved for keeping us in the league.
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I’d imagine Hunt and Clifton will be gone. Thompson, Ainley, Khouri and Green plus another with some quality would work. Green and Khouri being the back ups.
I’m assuming Ainley would play most advanced of a 3. Thompson Ainley Hunt Green plus starter in the high tempo ball winner mould. Or swap Khouri for Green in that. If Hunt goes we have to bring 2 in the midfield. Harry stays as utility wing back. |
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Yeah... got Crewe promoted... awful record
They were relegated but only cos he lost half of his team
Not if you speak to Crewe fans.. Yes, he got them promoted, with a team he didn't build, and yes, the club sold a lot of that squad when in lg1.. But, his team he built, the players he signed got them relegated. So, is Artell a good manager of players that are found to suit him but not a good manager at finding those players?..Thompson, Hume, Tharme where identified by Joe Hutchinson and so was Conteh. |
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Imagine it must’ve been píss-boilingly frustrating for Stockwood, Pettit & especially Joe Hutchinson to have spent months looking at specific players only for Hurst to turn around and sign a load of garbage because he’d worked with them or tried to sign them previously.
“Ok Paul, here’s a dissertation-length review of 10 different strikers who would be perfect”
“No thanks, unless Rekeil Pyke’s in there I don’t wanna know. He’s our no.9”
I didn’t, and still don’t, agree with anyone aside from the manager trying to dictate the way we play. But if the instruction from the board was “no more setting up to nick a 1-0 win, especially at home”, you can see why Hurst got booted and Artell started in the gung-ho manner he did.
Must’ve been frustrating for the players too. People like Mullarkey who’s spent his whole career on the right of a three, forced to play as a RB for 2/3rds of the season. Rose has earned himself a decent break.
No idea what to expect next year. First summer window since 2020 that hasn’t been overseen by Hurst and Stockwood seemed to be hinting at a bit of a step change in that department going into next season. I certainly don’t want to hear anymore signings announce that they can play “anywhere across the back/front line”, or on either wing, just behind or striker or running in behind. 22 specialists is what we need, no more jack-of-all-trades.
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Not if you speak to Crewe fans..
Yes, he got them promoted, with a team he didn't build, and yes, the club sold a lot of that squad when in lg1..
But, his team he built, the players he signed got them relegated.
So, is Artell a good manager of players that are found to suit him but not a good manager at finding those players?..Thompson, Hume, Tharme where identified by Joe Hutchinson and so was Conteh.
They’ll be the Crewe supporters who were happy when he got them promoted & p1ssed at him when they got relegated then. Just like the majority of supporters at any club would be. So isn’t that how it works when you have a head of recruitment? Joe identifies, researches, does all the scouting stuff and possibly starts to build the relationship & then presents the options to the manager to make the decision? Don’t forget he’s here as the “Head Coach” so pretty much isn’t expected to identify all his targets, personally as long as he has the final say I’m comfortable with that. |
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Imagine it must’ve been píss-boilingly frustrating for Stockwood, Pettit & especially Joe Hutchinson to have spent months looking at specific players only for Hurst to turn around and sign a load of garbage because he’d worked with them or tried to sign them previously.
“Ok Paul, here’s a dissertation-length review of 10 different strikers who would be perfect”
“No thanks, unless Rekeil Pyke’s in there I don’t wanna know. He’s our no.9”
I didn’t, and still don’t, agree with anyone aside from the manager trying to dictate the way we play. But if the instruction from the board was “no more setting up to nick a 1-0 win, especially at home”, you can see why Hurst got booted and Artell started in the gung-ho manner he did.
Must’ve been frustrating for the players too. People like Mullarkey who’s spent his whole career on the right of a three, forced to play as a RB for 2/3rds of the season. Rose has earned himself a decent break.
No idea what to expect next year. First summer window since 2020 that hasn’t been overseen by Hurst and Stockwood seemed to be hinting at a bit of a step change in that department going into next season. I certainly don’t want to hear anymore signings announce that they can play “anywhere across the back/front line”, or on either wing, just behind or striker or running in behind. 22 specialists is what we need, no more jack-of-all-trades.
I take it you’d find no room for Clifton then? That’s no dig at you, it’s just we all see him as a jack of all trades, and a good one at that. And you’re probably right, if Artell doesn’t want utility players, Harry may be gone. Just don’t go to Scunny, please! Personally, if Harry re-signs I’ll be quite pleased, but if he goes to L1 with Hurst, fair play to him. |
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Not if you speak to Crewe fans..
Yes, he got them promoted, with a team he didn't build, and yes, the club sold a lot of that squad when in lg1..
But, his team he built, the players he signed got them relegated.
So, is Artell a good manager of players that are found to suit him but not a good manager at finding those players?..Thompson, Hume, Tharme where identified by Joe Hutchinson and so was Conteh.
In DA's defence about his time at Crewe, is that all you said is true, however, it should be taken into consideration that it was his first time as a manager, and you learn on the job more than reading a book. My argument about him at GTFC is that he wasn't known for coming in mid season and saving a sinking club. The two interim managers steadied the ship somewhat before he came, having said all the right things, changed a few personnel and the wheels came off as we know. I am willing to go along with DA for 24 25 if only because another change will just set Fan against Fan and we have enough to worry about like the ST sales for 24 25 which will hamper DA's ability to field a better team. After this Saturday to come, if I could buy a Software called Snopake which just obliterated season 2023 24 I would buy it. UTbM |
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Recruitment for next season effectively begins now - now that we know what division we’re in.
Hopefully, the management roles for recruitment of affordable suitable players are in place - along with accountability for this being made known - for full transparency.
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Recruitment for next season effectively begins now - now that we know what division we’re in.
Hopefully, the management roles for recruitment of affordable suitable players are in place - along with accountability for this being made known - for full transparency.
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Let's not rewrite history, it went sour under Hurst but that run under Artell was one of, if not the most diabolical in the clubs history. And given our recent history that's saying something.
Even Alex Ferguson would have taken flack for turning in results like that, especially given the stuff he was spouting which was directly contradicting what people were physically seeing.
All that being said I've never quite seen such a hand break turn perfomed and he deserves a lot of credit for that. We've done enough to limp out the season, and must do much much better next time around.
Fair play to DA, he changed it and we survived, If Paul Hurst had not been so determined to stick to his way, and only his way, unwilling to change then he might have still been here. The interview with Jason Stockwood was interesting and confirmed that they, the owners are indeed dictating the style of play they want and expect from the team. |
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I take it you’d find no room for Clifton then? That’s no dig at you, it’s just we all see him as a jack of all trades, and a good one at that. And you’re probably right, if Artell doesn’t want utility players, Harry may be gone. Just don’t go to Scunny, please!
Personally, if Harry re-signs I’ll be quite pleased, but if he goes to L1 with Hurst, fair play to him.
I can see the benefit of a “utility” type player in a general sense, I just want players signed with a clear idea of how and where they’re going to be playing each week. This season we’ve had that weird, interchangeable set of 3 behind the lone striker and I think there’s only been Eastwood who hasn’t been tried there. We started with Vernam, Eisa, Khan, Pyke, Wilson, Ainley and Gnahoua in there - all supposedly capable on either flank or down the middle, fair to say we didn’t see the best of any of these. No idea how anyone’s supposed to become comfortable in a position or way of playing when they could be on the opposite side of the pitch from one week, or one half, to the next. It’s not chess, let the players build that familiarity with each other & around the pitch. I think Hurst always preferred players who were versatile, probably from a career of managing small squads and small budgets. We don’t necessarily have that problem now with 5 subs and a bigger bench to choose from. |
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The owners can hardly say they want a turgid, chance free zone way of playing where the main criteria seems to be the ability to track back and failure to do so once means you won't play again for months.
They have done the right thing in demanding change and at least we all know what we are trying to achieve. There will be many matches when it doesn't go to plan but that's where the manager can be pragmatic.
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Rumours of an Egyptian and someone from Maidenhead was the talk yesterday
Maidenhead don't seem to have too many young players. Reece Smith is a 21 year old left winger, was their leading scorer and described as brilliant in spells. is the managers and player's player of the year would be interested to know who Joe Hutchinson was due to meet in Amsterdam the other Friday |
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Maidenhead don't seem to have too many young players. Reece Smith is a 21 year old left winger, was their leading scorer and described as brilliant in spells. is the managers and player's player of the year
would be interested to know who Joe Hutchinson was due to meet in Amsterdam the other Friday
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I guess this is the right place to mention this, but did anyone notice that Barrow are paying higher average salaries than us due to having five less pros on their books. Their overall salary total was similar but they managed to have quality rather than quantity. Noted also that Wrexham paid an average of over £3k more a week than us. Astonishing.
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That’s absolutely f#cking nothing to do with you!
well given it was to do with Grimsby Town FC and this is a Grimsby Town FC forum I think it does |
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No, he did say that.
I hope he adds some context or comparative detail to that because if he’s declaring now that the budget is ‘terrible’ next year, we’ll get more of the same. And…it’s not entirely helpful in terms of prospective season ticket sales.
I hope he qualifies/addresses this.
Let us not forget that it’s likely they’ll have learnt from the experience of the Cup run and the expectation there’s a few quid in the bank that agents sniff the extra £££ for their players. I can’t say that it’s a ruse to try and manage expectations of both agents and fans but it wouldn’t at all surprise me. Even if it were true I still don’t think that means we’ll be throwing a top 6 budget at things on the playing side, it’ll be modest at best. I briefly read on someone mentioned about overall finances and I’d suspect that’s probably more likely to be the case. |
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well given it was to do with Grimsby Town FC and this is a Grimsby Town FC forum I think it does
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Jesus, I was suggesting something filthy for a laugh. Over your head, obviously.
I got it but Mrs crusty always says I have a filthy mind lol |
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Rumours of an Egyptian and someone from Maidenhead was the talk yesterday
The deal for the Egyptian is off, his mummy wouldn’t let him come here. Not high enough in the pyramid. |
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Not if you speak to Crewe fans..
Yes, he got them promoted, with a team he didn't build, and yes, the club sold a lot of that squad when in lg1..
But, his team he built, the players he signed got them relegated.
So, is Artell a good manager of players that are found to suit him but not a good manager at finding those players?..Thompson, Hume, Tharme where identified by Joe Hutchinson and so was Conteh.
Players were certainly playing for Artell at the end of the season, okay has been messy but time to give him a chance. Management is like any job, you need experience. I liked the change of style , we were not easy on the eye but we have stayed up by a decent margin I’ve been an absolutely staunch Hurst fan but I think it would’ve been really 50-50 for relegation. We did not look like winning a game at home and although we were decent away from home, I never felt that we would hold a lead. Look at his record at Shrewsbury. Away, they have been decent but their home form is shocking utm |
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Players were certainly playing for Artell at the end of the season, okay has been messy but time to give him a chance.
Management is like any job, you need experience. I liked the change of style , we were not easy on the eye but we have stayed up by a decent margin
I’ve been an absolutely staunch Hurst fan but I think it would’ve been really 50-50 for relegation. We did not look like winning a game at home and although we were decent away from home, I never felt that we would hold a lead. Look at his record at Shrewsbury. Away, they have been decent but their home form is shocking utm
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Hurst didn’t win us a single away game this season.
Can’t argue with that. These away games always seemed to be close (except Wrexham) , we kept losing the lead and conceding late. For me endless hard luck stories tends to smell of a relegation season and so I am very grateful for survival |
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He always doubled down with his plans and was soon sussed out by most league managers
With the exception of a great season at Shrewsbury, his EFL record is not very impressive. However, his NL record is outstanding. He got us into the playoffs all five seasons that he was in sole charge. Should become available I would imagine he would be highly attractive to any ambitious NL club. |
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Christ, has Artell done something to personally upset some people?
He inherited a excrement side. Look at the run under Hurst in his final 9 games. Somehow we defied logic to get that win against Barrow but it's still 4 points from 27.
He came in, went from one extreme to the other (possibly under instruction) and whilst it worked early on it was too much for the majority of this squad. It got bad and he adapted to suit. Since the Donny game we've been in good upper midtable form, beat a couple of play-off sides, kept 7 clean sheets and he's done that with his best player (Rose) missing for five of the games.
He's had to work with an imbalanced squad, make key adjustments to his system mid-season and bring in major reinforcements in January.
Within that he's got the best out of players who were previously struggling (Mullarkey, Rodgers, Green...), found a system that suits the limitations of his players and his transfer dealings are pretty impressive considering it was a January window.
Donny was bad, I get it. But so were plenty of games in the first half of the season. Stockport away was the worst 30 minutes of Town football I've seen, had they not stopped playing after half-an-hour we would have lost by a cricket score. But it was bad and he changed it. Is that not good management?
It would also be really good if we can stop pulling out the 'the players told him to change' line. It doesn't matter who said what, it's good management to talk to your staff and get their view. Ultimately he made the decision. The Crewe in League One argument I just don't get. We're in League 2 and at that level he did a good job with Crewe. If/When he gets us to League One we can worry about his record then.
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I'm torn between wanting a complete overhaul of the squad or seeing if Artell can continue to improve those within it.
It's going to be a hard sell to offload anyone under contract from a side that's lingered above the drop into non-league all season. No-one in the league is wanting too many of our players and I can't see many in non-league having the cash to pay their wages.
Going on who's out of contract, I think it's probably only Green and maybe Maher I'd look at keeping (not counting Ainley as I can't imagine a scenario where we've not already offered him a deal). Green has been a different player in the last few weeks and going forward is far more impactful than when he sits, the question is do we look to improve on that?
Maher showed on Saturday what he brings to the backline, he was my MOTM and especially on that left hand side I think he's got all the qualities to be very good and effective. Not convinced Artell fancies him though. Defence has looked much improved of late but that's largely without him.
Clifton is the other one. As a midfielder, definitely not. We need to upgrade and he doesn't bring that. As a wingback I would say yes, if we're playing that system. Winger? No. Need more impactful players.
In a scenario where all 4 stay (Green, Clifton, Maher and Ainley) that's a big chunk of your midfield retained, plus the returning Hunt. I think Ainley completely changes the dynamic of the midfield but it's still laced with the legacy of a side that floundered this season.
Even still, that means Eisa, Gnahoua, Glennon, Hume, Amos, Holohan and Khan going with Cartwright, Smith, Andrews, Wood and Obikwu going back to parent clubs. Of those released, you've probably got at least 5 on decent money - is that enough to bring about the improvements needed?
Gut feeling is the axe is swinging and we'll see 2 stay.
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Not if you speak to Crewe fans..
Yes, he got them promoted, with a team he didn't build, and yes, the club sold a lot of that squad when in lg1..
But, his team he built, the players he signed got them relegated.
So, is Artell a good manager of players that are found to suit him but not a good manager at finding those players?..Thompson, Hume, Tharme where identified by Joe Hutchinson and so was Conteh.
He got them promoted out of league two after three and a half seasons in charge, and then lead them to 12th in League One after 4 and a half. That's what, nine transfer windows? But sure it wasn't his team  |
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I'm torn between wanting a complete overhaul of the squad or seeing if Artell can continue to improve those within it.
It's going to be a hard sell to offload anyone under contract from a side that's lingered above the drop into non-league all season. No-one in the league is wanting too many of our players and I can't see many in non-league having the cash to pay their wages.
Going on who's out of contract, I think it's probably only Green and maybe Maher I'd look at keeping (not counting Ainley as I can't imagine a scenario where we've not already offered him a deal). Green has been a different player in the last few weeks and going forward is far more impactful than when he sits, the question is do we look to improve on that?
Maher showed on Saturday what he brings to the backline, he was my MOTM and especially on that left hand side I think he's got all the qualities to be very good and effective. Not convinced Artell fancies him though. Defence has looked much improved of late but that's largely without him.
Clifton is the other one. As a midfielder, definitely not. We need to upgrade and he doesn't bring that. As a wingback I would say yes, if we're playing that system. Winger? No. Need more impactful players.
In a scenario where all 4 stay (Green, Clifton, Maher and Ainley) that's a big chunk of your midfield retained, plus the returning Hunt. I think Ainley completely changes the dynamic of the midfield but it's still laced with the legacy of a side that floundered this season.
Even still, that means Eisa, Gnahoua, Glennon, Hume, Amos, Holohan and Khan going with Cartwright, Smith, Andrews, Wood and Obikwu going back to parent clubs. Of those released, you've probably got at least 5 on decent money - is that enough to bring about the improvements needed?
Gut feeling is the axe is swinging and we'll see 2 stay.
I imagine Denver is on a decent chunk of money, same with Otis and Gav... we got rid of Waterfall who was one of the highest earners in January but I imagine Thompson hasn't come here for his love of fish and chips so probably replaces that wage. They'll be money for him to work with, but like JS and DA have already alluded to, it's more about being smart with what you have rather than having a large budget. This squad is the biggest budget we've had in probably the last 20 or so years and it's got us no where. DA managed to convince Thompson who has spent the past few seasons at the top end of L1/championship that the project was worth it despite us being sat in a precarious league position... i'm excited to see what he can do in the summer. |
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One habit I really want the club to get out of is retaining so many players who produce the odd good performance here and there but are poor or anonymous the rest of the time.
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One habit I really want the club to get out of is retaining so many players who produce the odd good performance here and there but are poor or anonymous the rest of the time.
More drivers and fewer passengers
thats our fanbase in a nutshell. Wanting Green kept on because he's improved for 5 games for example. He's been here 2 years, cant fault his effort, but he isnt good enough. |
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I'd guess Conteh wasn't on a pittance, just in terms of managing to get him here in the first place.
Big part of being smarter could be the use of the fringe players too, especially those young lads who won't be drawing big money yet. Over the course of the season how much did players like Khan, Efete, Amos and Waterfall, even Hunt cost. Players who were in or around the squad but had limited contributions on the field.
You don't have as many of those 'just in case' types and you don't need as big a squad, in theory anyway. Young lads could help bridge those numbers a bit.
Generally just better recruitment and squad building would help too. It's beyond poor that we've used 3 left-backs and 3 right-backs over the course of the season and not because of injuries either. We've even played a few games towards the back end of the season with Vernam and Clifton down those flank instead of players you might think are better fits.
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I have to disagree, not saying a starter but would I have him in the squad, all about opinions and Artell made him captain. We know we need some better players but Green has a role for me. At least he can win a header utm
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If we're gonna improve, be it from whatever starting position, then it has to be a case that we continually improve on what is in the starting eleven.
I think the question with Green is do you want him to stay around as back up, does he want to be back and can we afford to have him as back up?
If we can bring in someone who is better than him as first choice AND someone who is better than him as back up, fantastic. It's bye-bye Kieran, thanks for your efforts. It's not likely though. Improve on him now with new body. Next season we improve again, new body becomes the back up and even newer body becomes the first choice.
There's 3 contracted midfielders (Thompson, Hunt and Khouri), plus Ainley. That doesn't leave an awful lot of room to play with. Khouri you can potentially offload but I don't think it frees up big money. Hunt will be on good money considering he signed a new deal at Sheff Weds six-months before we paid a fee for him, getting rid of him will be tough. Thompson is your main man. 3 heading out, including Clifton. All be high end earners but with a reduced budget/smarter way of spending/wages used in other positions.
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I'd guess Conteh wasn't on a pittance, just in terms of managing to get him here in the first place.
Big part of being smarter could be the use of the fringe players too, especially those young lads who won't be drawing big money yet. Over the course of the season how much did players like Khan, Efete, Amos and Waterfall, even Hunt cost. Players who were in or around the squad but had limited contributions on the field.
You don't have as many of those 'just in case' types and you don't need as big a squad, in theory anyway. Young lads could help bridge those numbers a bit.
Generally just better recruitment and squad building would help too. It's beyond poor that we've used 3 left-backs and 3 right-backs over the course of the season and not because of injuries either. We've even played a few games towards the back end of the season with Vernam and Clifton down those flank instead of players you might think are better fits.
it'll be interesting to see if we give any of the young lads a new deal, we signed Bramwell from Newcastle and i've been impressed every time i've seen him play but those opportunities have been very limited. We have Gardner on a 3 year deal and I hope we don't let him stagnate like Khouri because he's a real talent, he just has that nack of scoring goals and is just a natural goalscorer. I'm hoping we start giving the young lads more of a chance to break into the first team. |
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One habit I really want the club to get out of is retaining so many players who produce the odd good performance here and there but are poor or anonymous the rest of the time.
More drivers and fewer passengers
But another terrible habit we have is to get rid of players who are pretty good but inconsistent, or haven't reached their full potential yet, believing that we can "do much better", only to be left fighting over scraps at the end of the summer and ultimately being left with a worse squad. What I really want for us is to be able to release/sell players knowing we have one or two similar or better replacements already in the pipeline. It's what Lincoln have been doing well, with Joe Hutchinson part of that process, and it's what we should be aiming for with our new centralised, data-driven recruitment approach. Take Donovan Wilson for example. Most people don't seem to rate him, but if you look at his goals/min ( https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/109/stats/season/20723/players/goals_per_90/league-two-players) he's actually quite a high performer at this level, sitting 12th in the Goals per 90 chart. Whenever I've watched him this season he's always managed to get into goal scoring positions and he has a pretty good chance conversion rate (apart from the Newport game). But most people seem to think we can do better. Can we? I'd like us to be very confident that we can before we decide to give him away. Elsewhere, I think Liam Smith has been quietly impressive since he came back into the side. His contract at Cheltenham is up in the summer and he's looked increasingly assured in that RWB role, he could be worth a contract. I also agree with DHM that Niall Maher has been unfairly maligned and has looked comfortable with bringing the ball out of defence, at least until the whole squad's confidence crumbled at the tail end of 2023. But if we think we need an upgrade in central defence (and we almost certainly do), he might have to make way. |
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If we're gonna improve, be it from whatever starting position, then it has to be a case that we continually improve on what is in the starting eleven.
I think the question with Green is do you want him to stay around as back up, does he want to be back and can we afford to have him as back up?
If we can bring in someone who is better than him as first choice AND someone who is better than him as back up, fantastic. It's bye-bye Kieran, thanks for your efforts. It's not likely though. Improve on him now with new body. Next season we improve again, new body becomes the back up and even newer body becomes the first choice.
There's 3 contracted midfielders (Thompson, Hunt and Khouri), plus Ainley. That doesn't leave an awful lot of room to play with. Khouri you can potentially offload but I don't think it frees up big money. Hunt will be on good money considering he signed a new deal at Sheff Weds six-months before we paid a fee for him, getting rid of him will be tough. Thompson is your main man. 3 heading out, including Clifton. All be high end earners but with a reduced budget/smarter way of spending/wages used in other positions.
I’d be very disappointed if we kept Hunt. at the expense of Green. One wants to play for us the other seems like he isn’t that bothered. |
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But another terrible habit we have is to get rid of players who are pretty good but inconsistent, or haven't reached their full potential yet, believing that we can "do much better", only to be left fighting over scraps at the end of the summer and ultimately being left with a worse squad. What I really want for us is to be able to release/sell players knowing we have one or two similar or better replacements already in the pipeline. It's what Lincoln have been doing well, with Joe Hutchinson part of that process, and it's what we should be aiming for with our new centralised, data-driven recruitment approach. Take Donovan Wilson for example. Most people don't seem to rate him, but if you look at his goals/min ( https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/109/stats/season/20723/players/goals_per_90/league-two-players) he's actually quite a high performer at this level, sitting 12th in the Goals per 90 chart. Whenever I've watched him this season he's always managed to get into goal scoring positions and he has a pretty good chance conversion rate (apart from the Newport game). But most people seem to think we can do better. Can we? I'd like us to be very confident that we can before we decide to give him away. Elsewhere, I think Liam Smith has been quietly impressive since he came back into the side. His contract at Cheltenham is up in the summer and he's looked increasingly assured in that RWB role, he could be worth a contract. I also agree with DHM that Niall Maher has been unfairly maligned and has looked comfortable with bringing the ball out of defence, at least until the whole squad's confidence crumbled at the tail end of 2023. But if we think we need an upgrade in central defence (and we almost certainly do), he might have to make way.
Very good points. I am as guilty as anyone in thinking we can do better than xyz player, only to find we can't. That criticism is also certainly true of Paul Hurst. As with everything else in football it is about context. A good player can look poor in some sides, yet fulfill his potential in another. Orsi being the most prominent recent example. I have more confidence in Artell to get the balance and blend right, as I think he will be able to improve and bring the best out of players. One thing I would like to steer clear of is academy players from Championship other PL clubs who like to play the game as if it is a glorified training session. That is the way they have been brought up but it doesn't really work in league 2. |
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And hopefully , the new better recruits won’t have to play pre - season at Cleethorpes Town and Grimsby Borough to get injured - as usually happens each season - Groundhog Day - so frustrating
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One thing I would like to steer clear of is academy players from Championship other PL clubs who like to play the game as if it is a glorified training session. That is the way they have been brought up but it doesn't really work in league 2.
Think that is more to do with selecting the right players off the top of my head, in recent years, we have had Embleton, Robson, Richardson (when fit), Glennon, Benson, Smith and the blond haired central defender from Bristol City. All of these had the right attitude and were good enough to play in L2. Lincoln had Morgan Rogers and Brennan Johnson in the year they made the playoffs so quality lads are about we’ve just not always got our choices right. |
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Surely they have to play someone so the Coaches can asses the squad, and if the local team(s) are up for it why not?
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I think some of the concerns are about the poor playing surfaces causing injury.
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I’d be very disappointed if we kept Hunt. at the expense of Green. One wants to play for us the other seems like he isn’t that bothered.
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Hunt is under contract. Green is out of contract.
We do have a one-year option on Green though, so could easily keep him if we wanted to. I'm 50/50 on him. I think it will come down to his wages, if he's a relatively high earner and we can bring in a midfielder who can add the same sort of physicality, and who we're confident is better, then we should get rid. Otherwise he's worth another year. |
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I’d be very disappointed if we kept Hunt. at the expense of Green. One wants to play for us the other seems like he isn’t that bothered.
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Very true. But not keeping Hunt isn't really an option.
I've spent far too long on this forum defending, backing, praising and showing frustration at his lack of game time. But putting that to one side, Hunt isn't likely to appeal to anyone willing to pick up the final year of his contract.
His career so far has amounted to a decent third of a Conference campaign with us and a six or seven game run where he impressed with a York side who ended up staying in the Conference by the skin of their teeth. He kept threatening to break into a Wednesday first team but never did, didn't impress in a Ragarse Rovers Oldham side in League Two and has failed to gain the trust of 3 different sets of managers in 2 seasons at League Two level with us. Six months before he signed a 3-year deal for us he signed a new contract at Sheff Weds, it's incredibly likely we would have given him a fairly decent contract to sign for us. Who's going to take that on?
If you're a League Two side are you looking at the lad who failed to break into the fourth worst side in the division? Might be a few Conference sides who would like him (his best football has come there and I'd say he's proved he can cut it at that level) but there isn't any money sides there now.
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I’m surprised that you would keep someone who is not suited to playing the ‘game style’ the owners want.
You and I agree on most things- With the exception of Hunt-! Does it sit right with you that the owners are actively dictating the way with play? Deeply uncomfortable with me, they are not football men, for me they shouldnt have any say in the style of football we play, or the types of player we are identifying |
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You and I agree on most things- With the exception of Hunt-!
Does it sit right with you that the owners are actively dictating the way with play? Deeply uncomfortable with me, they are not football men, for me they shouldnt have any say in the style of football we play, or the types of player we are identifying
I really don't agree. In any business the tone is set from the top, the owners/leaders say 'this is where we're going and this is what we want it to look like'. They then recruit the right people to deliver that vision. I'm sure Artell was told the vision and he agreed that he could deliver it. I would be worried if they were telling DA who to play and what positions certain players should play but there is no hint of that. How to get there (the execution of it) is DA's job but not the vision, that would be the tail wagging the dog. |
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You and I agree on most things- With the exception of Hunt-!
Does it sit right with you that the owners are actively dictating the way with play? Deeply uncomfortable with me, they are not football men, for me they shouldnt have any say in the style of football we play, or the types of player we are identifying
There's a reason David Moyes is being replaced by West Ham, despite numerous top half finishes and winning a European cup with them. Owners want managers that play nice football, i'd be concerned if Jason and Andrew were on cheapside dictating how he runs training or who plays where but they aren't. They have a footballing ethos they want to represent the club and DA is the man chosen to get us playing that way. |
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With the exception of a great season at Shrewsbury, his EFL record is not very impressive. However, his NL record is outstanding. He got us into the playoffs all five seasons that he was in sole charge. Should become available I would imagine he would be highly attractive to any ambitious NL club.
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I’m surprised that you would keep someone who is not suited to playing the ‘game style’ the owners want.
Hunt is simply not good enough. Another of those who are better when not playing here. |
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Hunt is under contract. Green is out of contract.
Doesn’t mean a lot really. If we don’t see a future in Hunt he’ll be gone to a club at his level. |
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Ryan Bennet is a free agent .Lives in Gy .Rumours hurst didnt want him but hes gone Might be worth a punt .Especially if Artell wants footballing centre backs .Having played at the highest level and still only 34 he should find this level well wumithin his capabilities
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Ryan Bennet is a free agent .Lives in Gy .Rumours hurst didnt want him ,but he's gone .Might be worth a punt .Especially if Artell wants footballing centre backs .Having played at the highest level , and still only 34 he should find this level well within his capabilities
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Ryan Bennet is a free agent .Lives in Gy .Rumours hurst didnt want him but hes gone Might be worth a punt .Especially if Artell wants footballing centre backs .Having played at the highest level and still only 34 he should find this level well wumithin his capabilities
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There's a reason David Moyes is being replaced by West Ham, despite numerous top half finishes and winning a European cup with them. Owners want managers that play nice football, i'd be concerned if Jason and Andrew were on cheapside dictating how he runs training or who plays where but they aren't. They have a footballing ethos they want to represent the club and DA is the man chosen to get us playing that way.
West Ham will be fighting relegation in 2 years and begging someone like moyes to save them . Grimsby Town . Will always be fighting relegation too if “ The Grimsby Way “ project is allowed to continue. You end up with a manager becoming a yes man . You should trust people to do their job and trust a football manager to do it in the best way to get results with the players you have . |
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We did that, it ended up with Hurst assembling one of the worst Town squads in years with one of the best budgets we’ve had in years. And not being able to get a tune out of them at all.
Even last season where we finished in our highest position in years, a huge amount of fans on here and socials were complaining about the poor standard of football.
I think it’s good ownership/management to have a plan and I imagine most decent clubs in our league operate in the same way.
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There's a reason David Moyes is being replaced by West Ham, despite numerous top half finishes and winning a European cup with them. Owners want managers that play nice football, i'd be concerned if Jason and Andrew were on cheapside dictating how he runs training or who plays where but they aren't. They have a footballing ethos they want to represent the club and DA is the man chosen to get us playing that way.
The owners don't care what football West Ham play. The fans want them to play the West Ham way and have forced him out. I'm sure they all think it's for the best, but I'd put a fairly large bet on them being bottom half in 2 seasons. My Everton mates all celebrated him going and the first season after they played good football whilst winning they said how he held them back. Since then they've been awful and I'm sure with hindsight they'd have taken 10 years of turgid football that finishes close to European qualification. |
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Doesn’t mean a lot really. If we don’t see a future in Hunt he’ll be gone to a club at his level.
Other than the fact it would require him walking away from his decent contract to take a lesser one you mean? |
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Other than the fact it would require him walking away from his decent contract to take a lesser one you mean?
In that if he has no future here he will leave “by mutual consent” Namely being paid enough for him to accept. |
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West Ham will be fighting relegation in 2 years and begging someone like moyes to save them .
Grimsby Town . Will always be fighting relegation too if “ The Grimsby Way “ project is allowed to continue. You end up with a manager becoming a yes man . You should trust people to do their job and trust a football manager to do it in the best way to get results with the players you have .
You end up like Luton, Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth.. the most successful recent examples of having a clear game model throughout the club. You only have to take one look at the two clubs in Manchester... one of them has a clear footballing ethos and has every single team within the club all the way down to U6's playing the exact same way and reaps the rewards. Look over the red side of Manchester and the club is in a mess because it's employed 5 different managers since Ferguson left, all with different ideas of how to play football meaning they've spent a heck load of money signing players and then when a new manager comes in they get rid of them players and sign new ones... rinse and repeat. |
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The owners don't care what football West Ham play. The fans want them to play the West Ham way and have forced him out. I'm sure they all think it's for the best, but I'd put a fairly large bet on them being bottom half in 2 seasons.
My Everton mates all celebrated him going and the first season after they played good football whilst winning they said how he held them back. Since then they've been awful and I'm sure with hindsight they'd have taken 10 years of turgid football that finishes close to European qualification.
No that's because of terrible ownership coupled with horrific recruitment and appointments.. like seriously appointing Rafa Benitez was going to work? Another example of a poorly run club and them not sticking to an ethos that results in large player and manager turnover. They've had 8 managers in 11 years... like seriously appointing Big Sam and Frank Lampard is ever going to be a success. |
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In that if he has no future here he will leave “by mutual consent” Namely being paid enough for him to accept.
I don't think we've had a player paid up by mutual consent since 1878 took over. Not saying it won't or couldn't happen, but it doesn't seem to fit the ethos at the club really. Regardless, I think he gets a fair chance under Artell this summer. Be interesting to see if he's involved on Saturday. |
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I don't think we've had a player paid up by mutual consent since 1878 took over. Not saying it won't or couldn't happen, but it doesn't seem to fit the ethos at the club really.
Regardless, I think he gets a fair chance under Artell this summer. Be interesting to see if he's involved on Saturday.
Not sure we'd have to pay his contract up, I imagine we'll have interest in the summer from York for him anyway. |
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Only one I can think of is Joel Grant and he probably had 3 months left anyway.
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Not sure we'd have to pay his contract up, I imagine we'll have interest in the summer from York for him anyway.
Me neither. I'd just tell him that he not in our plans and won't be getting many minutes next season if he stays. Then its up to him whether he takes a pay-cut to try to get his career back on track somewhere else. |
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I don't think we've had a player paid up by mutual consent since 1878 took over. Not saying it won't or couldn't happen, but it doesn't seem to fit the ethos at the club really.
Regardless, I think he gets a fair chance under Artell this summer. Be interesting to see if he's involved on Saturday.
Off the pitch, I think the owners and Debbie have managed poor performing people out of the club, and I would like to think that we wouldn't be averse to doing that with a player. I would like to think that after a terrible season, all players futures are under review, not just those that are out of contract. |
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Non-footballing staff is a different kettle though. Most will have a relatively short period of notice on both sides. Hunt has a year and (he's not alone in this) will do well to get close to matching the terms he's got here.
Let's just wait and see.
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I think it’d underestimated just what damage a complete overhaul can do. If some of the players we don’t seem quite good enough become squad players then that’s worth doing as opposed to taking your chances in the window.
Green is a good example of it, I personally think we’d do well to replicate a player like Green who would be willing to probably not play every week, especially given he’s undoubtedly improved as a footballer recently.
There’s more than enough that should go, but I do think we should be careful with this mentality of ‘bin the lot them’.
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I think it’d underestimated just what damage a complete overhaul can do. If some of the players we don’t seem quite good enough become squad players then that’s worth doing as opposed to taking your chances in the window.
Green is a good example of it, I personally think we’d do well to replicate a player like Green who would be willing to probably not play every week, especially given he’s undoubtedly improved as a footballer recently.
There’s more than enough that should go, but I do think we should be careful with this mentality of ‘bin the lot them’.
I think binning the lot of them would be problematic as we then need to recruit 24 instead of about 12, but I do think futures should be under review regardless of contract status. |
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Not sure if complete overall would be true statement as i wouldnt be adverse to this starting next year
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New keeper
New No.2
RB
New RB/WB x 2
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New LB/WB x 2
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Harvey Rodgers
Doug Tharme
Toby Mullarkey
Niall Maher (New Contract)
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Curtis Thompson
Harry Clifton (offer new contract)
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Danny Rose
2 x new striker
Donavan Wilson
Cameron Gardner
I would release, Eastwood, Hunt and Pyke from their contracts
All the out of contract players apart from Maher and Clifton let go.
All this meaning for a starting 11 we would have the spine mostly in place with the exception of GL, RB, LB, a winger and 1 or 2 CM's, ST
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Not sure if complete overall would be true statement as i wouldnt be adverse to this starting next year
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New keeper
New No.2
RB
New RB/WB x 2
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New LB/WB x 2
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Harvey Rodgers
Doug Tharme
Toby Mullarkey
Niall Maher (New Contract)
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CM
Curtis Thompson
Harry Clifton (offer new contract)
2 x new midfielders
ST
Danny Rose
2 x new striker
Donavan Wilson
Cameron Gardner
I would release, Eastwood, Hunt and Pyke from their contracts
All the out of contract players apart from Maher and Clifton let go.
All this meaning for a starting 11 we would have the spine mostly in place with the exception of GL, RB, LB, a winger and 1 or 2 CM's, ST
What would be the point of releasing Eastwood? We know more than likely he'll be number 2 next season and he's shown that he is more than capable of stepping in when required and has 3 clean sheets in 5 games. More than capable of being a number 2 and fighting for the number 1 spot. |
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What would be the point of releasing Eastwood? We know more than likely he'll be number 2 next season and he's shown that he is more than capable of stepping in when required and has 3 clean sheets in 5 games. More than capable of being a number 2 and fighting for the number 1 spot.
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Eastwood has done fine since he came back into the team. Good handling, no real chance of saving the goals which he conceded (that I saw at BP) and a massive kick which is helpful when it's windy as it so often is during the season. I sound like Slade now, talking about a goalkeeper's massive kick!
I don't think Cartwright was that bad, either, and I don't blame him for many of the goals we conceded, but he probably wasn't quite ready for the pressure of a relegation scrap.
As Eastwood is under contract, I suspect we'll sign somebody to compete with him for the position. Might be Cartwright again, who knows? It depends what Artell thinks about Eastwood, I suppose.
Otherwise, I'd release/attempt to move on/not attempt retain the following players:
Glennon, Amos, Maher
Holohan, Green, Khan, Eisa, Hunt (?), Gnahoua
Pyke, Wilson
As I think I've already said in this thread, I just don't fancy Wilson, though he's done OK in the goalscoring stakes. I'd be fine if he stayed, but don't think he will.
Of the current loan players, I'd try to keep Smith. I don't think Hume is very good at defending (and is especially crap in the air), so doesn't offer enough for me. I wouldn't be averse to Andrews returning on loan next season, as I think he can improve further and has done well at times this season, even in a rubbish midfield. Not sure I'd be trying to sign him full-time, however. I think Ainley could be a very good signing if his fitness is up to scratch and he's recovered from his treatment. On Saturday, I think he showed a lot of what we've been missing in midfield for much of the season.
Obikwu is a no for me as he looked clueless way too often, even when he nicked the odd goal here and there. Same goes for Wood who has a vast amount to learn yet. He could do with sticking a few kebabs down his neck as well as he looks like he could be blown away by a strong wind at the moment.
I just don't rate Hunt, but think he'll perhaps get (yet) another chance to prove me wrong as he's under contract. As I've said before, I like Gnahoua as he has a lot of ability, but his injury record this season isn't good so we'll probably see him move on as well.
No idea about the youngsters as I haven't seen anything of them to be able to decide. Khouri has been one for the future for a long time but has been injured/ill so often, I've no idea if he's up to the job or not.
It is a big churn of players, but I really think a big change is required. With the players we have under contract (plus one or two we try to retain), I think we have a good basis for a more competent side. Let's face it, we'd all accept a solid season next year with perhaps a Cup run and a chance of getting into the play-offs. A play-off spot would be miles better than we've managed for decades, but I think it could potentially be possible.
Just got to get the players, of course. It doesn't really matter what formation or style of play you plan if the players aren't up to the job.
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Eastwood has done fine since he came back into the team. Good handling, no real chance of saving the goals which he conceded (that I saw at BP) and a massive kick which is helpful when it's windy as it so often is during the season. I sound like Slade now, talking about a goalkeeper's massive kick!
I don't think Cartwright was that bad, either, and I don't blame him for many of the goals we conceded, but he probably wasn't quite ready for the pressure of a relegation scrap.
As Eastwood is under contract, I suspect we'll sign somebody to compete with him for the position. Might be Cartwright again, who knows? It depends what Artell thinks about Eastwood, I suppose.
Otherwise, I'd release/attempt to move on/not attempt retain the following players:
Glennon, Amos, Maher
Holohan, Green, Khan, Eisa, Hunt (?), Gnahoua
Pyke, Wilson
As I think I've already said in this thread, I just don't fancy Wilson, though he's done OK in the goalscoring stakes. I'd be fine if he stayed, but don't think he will.
Of the current loan players, I'd try to keep Smith. I don't think Hume is very good at defending (and is especially crap in the air), so doesn't offer enough for me. I wouldn't be averse to Andrews returning on loan next season, as I think he can improve further and has done well at times this season, even in a rubbish midfield. Not sure I'd be trying to sign him full-time, however. I think Ainley could be a very good signing if his fitness is up to scratch and he's recovered from his treatment. On Saturday, I think he showed a lot of what we've been missing in midfield for much of the season.
Obikwu is a no for me as he looked clueless way too often, even when he nicked the odd goal here and there. Same goes for Wood who has a vast amount to learn yet. He could do with sticking a few kebabs down his neck as well as he looks like he could be blown away by a strong wind at the moment.
I just don't rate Hunt, but think he'll perhaps get (yet) another chance to prove me wrong as he's under contract. As I've said before, I like Gnahoua as he has a lot of ability, but his injury record this season isn't good so we'll probably see him move on as well.
No idea about the youngsters as I haven't seen anything of them to be able to decide. Khouri has been one for the future for a long time but has been injured/ill so often, I've no idea if he's up to the job or not.
It is a big churn of players, but I really think a big change is required. With the players we have under contract (plus one or two we try to retain), I think we have a good basis for a more competent side. Let's face it, we'd all accept a solid season next year with perhaps a Cup run and a chance of getting into the play-offs. A play-off spot would be miles better than we've managed for decades, but I think it could potentially be possible.
Just got to get the players, of course. It doesn't really matter what formation or style of play you plan if the players aren't up to the job.
Wouldn't want both Eastwood and Cartwright as our options again, I don't think Cartwright is commanding enough right now to be a number 1 imo and would again leave us with a distinct lack of experience in goal.. i'd like someone that's a bit more commanding in the Crocombe mould. |
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Wouldn't want both Eastwood and Cartwright as our options again, I don't think Cartwright is commanding enough right now to be a number 1 imo and would again leave us with a distinct lack of experience in goal.. i'd like someone that's a bit more commanding in the Crocombe mould.
I wouldn't disagree with that but, other than Crocombe, I think the last commanding keeper we had was probably Davison (unless I'm forgetting somebody). A long time ago now! Henderson as well, of course, but we're not likely to sign somebody with his potential on loan again in a hurry. You don't get all that many 'commanding' keepers at this level which makes it doubly disappointing that we didn't try hard enough to retain Crocombe. |
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I wouldn't disagree with that but, other than Crocombe, I think the last commanding keeper we had was probably Davison (unless I'm forgetting somebody). A long time ago now! Henderson as well, of course, but we're not likely to sign somebody with his potential on loan again in a hurry. You don't get all that many 'commanding' keepers at this level which makes it doubly disappointing that we didn't try hard enough to retain Crocombe.
I don't mean neccassarily commanding as in coming and claiming everything, but a bit more of a presence in the sticks and someone that marshalls the back four. I like Cartwright and think he'll go on to have a good career but you used to be able to hear Max marshalling his back 4 and talking to them.. Harvey not so much. |
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Not sure if complete overall would be true statement as i wouldnt be adverse to this starting next year
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New keeper
New No.2
RB
New RB/WB x 2
LB
New LB/WB x 2
CB
Harvey Rodgers
Doug Tharme
Toby Mullarkey
Niall Maher (New Contract)
RW
2 x new wingers
LW
Charles Vernam
1 x new winger
CM
Curtis Thompson
Harry Clifton (offer new contract)
2 x new midfielders
ST
Danny Rose
2 x new striker
Donavan Wilson
Cameron Gardner
I would release, Eastwood, Hunt and Pyke from their contracts
All the out of contract players apart from Maher and Clifton let go.
All this meaning for a starting 11 we would have the spine mostly in place with the exception of GL, RB, LB, a winger and 1 or 2 CM's, ST
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Got to get away from signing highly injury prone players just because they may come in at better value on terms, using us as stepping stones.
The ratio for success is low, meaning we still have to dip into a very hard to crack loan market each season.
Experience also costs money, but we need some proper fit ball players with no black and white colour blindness to actually pass well to our own players at a decent rate of speed.
Geographical location has always been a problem, so possibly look for players within a reasonable commute distance.
Can we improve the relationship with Hull city if we do need loans to enhance the squad after the permanent signings or will their release list have any opportunities for us?
Are there any rough diamonds in other leagues such as Ireland or Scotland?
Going further afield could be problematic, but could also see what technical players could be found more cheaply.
Look at the Brighton process of conveyor belt production of fast skilful young players who can play well, impress and move on for a profit.
Can Town find a lower level at better prices?
Mr Hutchinson will be having a lot of time snd a red hot phone trying to give Artell names to supplement Artell's own wish list.
A couple of Conteh type signings in different positions would be great, even if we are being used as a step up the leagues for them.
Progress on a new training complex could also prove a selling point, so when will that move forward?
Are any new vetted investors going to come on board this year, not a lot happening on that score?
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I don't know the names but how about 2/3 players in the mould of Wymark and Birtles?. It might cost a bit but these types of players don't have to think about running to get in a good position, because they have thought 2 moves ahead and are already there waiting for the ball.
There is also an added benefit that they can help younger players with their knowledge of the game.
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I wouldn't disagree with that but, other than Crocombe, I think the last commanding keeper we had was probably Davison (unless I'm forgetting somebody). A long time ago now! Henderson as well, of course, but we're not likely to sign somebody with his potential on loan again in a hurry. You don't get all that many 'commanding' keepers at this level which makes it doubly disappointing that we didn't try hard enough to retain Crocombe.
Mildenhall? I don't think he was as spectacular a 'keeper as a McKeown, Crocombe or even someone like Danny Coyne. But he was just very, very good all round and commanded his area with authority. The improvement in Rob Jones between 2004/05 to 2005/06 is often talked about, the sports psychology he tapped into and the value in trusting someone beyond their first run of games. But I wonder how much of his improvement was down to having someone like Mildenhall behind him. |
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I don't know the names but how about 2/3 players in the mould of Wymark and Birtles?. It might cost a bit but these types of players don't have to think about running to get in a good position, because they have thought 2 moves ahead and are already there waiting for the ball.
There is also an added benefit that they can help younger players with their knowledge of the game.
Artell built that youthful and developing Crewe side around the vastly experienced Paul Green, Nicky Hunt and Chris Dagnall through the spine. Our squad lacks experience, still. Wouldn't shock me at all if we bring in a few older heads this summer. |
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Artell built that youthful and developing Crewe side around the vastly experienced Paul Green, Nicky Hunt and Chris Dagnall through the spine.
Our squad lacks experience, still. Wouldn't shock me at all if we bring in a few older heads this summer.
Hope we bring in a couple of winners aswell, lads that have been around promotion squads. Having that knack of knowing how to win games of football is very underrated. |
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I think some of the concerns are about the poor playing surfaces causing injury.
Cleeps Town looks decent to me, can't comment on Gy Borough. |
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I don't know the names but how about 2/3 players in the mould of Wymark and Birtles?. It might cost a bit but these types of players don't have to think about running to get in a good position, because they have thought 2 moves ahead and are already there waiting for the ball.
There is also an added benefit that they can help younger players with their knowledge of the game.
Times have changed . Look at Charlie Austin on Saturday, his touch was woeful . Most of them type of players don’t need the money now |
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Mildenhall?
I don't think he was as spectacular a 'keeper as a McKeown, Crocombe or even someone like Danny Coyne. But he was just very, very good all round and commanded his area with authority. The improvement in Rob Jones between 2004/05 to 2005/06 is often talked about, the sports psychology he tapped into and the value in trusting someone beyond their first run of games. But I wonder how much of his improvement was down to having someone like Mildenhall behind him.
You could also argue that not having Anthony Williams flapping around behind him was part of the upturn in Rob Jones form. Mildenhall was a very solid keeper. As you say, a dependable all rounder. |
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You could also argue that not having Anthony Williams flapping around behind him was part of the upturn in Rob Jones form.
Mildenhall was a very solid keeper. As you say, a dependable all rounder.
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