Lineker has been told to step back from presenting MOTD for the time being.
That can only be good for us on Super Sunday as we wont have him creaming his pants over his beloved Wrexham with multiple mentions of them, even though they are out of the Cup.
Hopefully Shearer and his happy smiling face will support Lineker and not be a pundit either.
I reckon we will have Mark Chapman as the frontman in 9 days time
Lineker has been told to step back from presenting MOTD for the time being.
That can only be good for us on Super Sunday as we wont have him creaming his pants over his beloved Wrexham with multiple mentions of them, even though they are out of the Cup.
Hopefully Shearer and his happy smiling face will support Lineker and not be a pundit either.
I reckon we will have Mark Chapman as the frontman in 9 days time
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Lineker has been told to step back from presenting MOTD for the time being.
That can only be good for us on Super Sunday as we wont have him creaming his pants over his beloved Wrexham with multiple mentions of them, even though they are out of the Cup.
Hopefully Shearer and his happy smiling face will support Lineker and not be a pundit either.
I reckon we will have Mark Chapman as the frontman in 9 days time
I’m going for Nadine Dorres presenting with Matt Le Tissier, Paulo Di Canio and Peter Shilton on pundit duty.
He should be allowed to say what he wants on his own Twitter. He never said it on air. He doesn't represent the BBC 24 hours a day. Doesn't matter whether he was right or wrong.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
Tomorrow’s MOTD might be highlights shunted together broken up by excrement graphics of the kits the teams are wearing like the early rounds of the cup are.
The govt have inadvertently proven his point by putting pressure on the BBC to act thus suppressing his free speech.
Surely you can't expect all Presenters to be given free reign to use their privileged positions to push their personal political agendas? You are old enough to know that BBC employees are constrained by the terms of their contract to uphold a non partisan position as a condition of the licence fee?
If another high profile figure was spouting the opposite views then they would also need to be spoken to.
You will also know that Lineker is pushing his podcast pairing with Alastair Campbell so all publicity is good for him. Despite being in 'talks' with BBC management for days he arrogantly told press that he would be presenting MOTD as usual.
It is not a question of whether you support his views as such. Rather a question of whether we want a national broadcaster or not. The more you call for BBC employees to exert unfettered freedom of speech the sooner the whole concept collapses.
Surely you can't expect all Presenters to be given free reign to use their privileged positions to push their personal political agendas? You are old enough to know that BBC employees are constrained by the terms of their contract to uphold a non partisan position as a condition of the licence fee?
If another high profile figure was spouting the opposite views then they would also need to be spoken to.
You will also know that Lineker is pushing his podcast pairing with Alastair Campbell so all publicity is good for him. Despite being in 'talks' with BBC management for days he arrogantly told press that he would be presenting MOTD as usual.
It is not a question of whether you support his views as such. Rather a question of whether we want a national broadcaster or not. The more you call for BBC employees to exert unfettered freedom of speech the sooner the whole concept collapses.
Surely you can't expect all Presenters to be given free reign to use their privileged positions to push their personal political agendas? You are old enough to know that BBC employees are constrained by the terms of their contract to uphold a non partisan position as a condition of the licence fee?
If another high profile figure was spouting the opposite views then they would also need to be spoken to.
You will also know that Lineker is pushing his podcast pairing with Alastair Campbell so all publicity is good for him. Despite being in 'talks' with BBC management for days he arrogantly told press that he would be presenting MOTD as usual.
It is not a question of whether you support his views as such. Rather a question of whether we want a national broadcaster or not. The more you call for BBC employees to exert unfettered freedom of speech the sooner the whole concept collapses.
He posted it on his own personal twitter account and is a freelance worker who happens to present some BBC (sports) programmes. Andrew Neil had a weekly political programme on BBC One and was allowed to post whatever the hell he liked on Twitter for years.
The same Andrew Neil who trolled Boris for avoiding an interview? Neil was feared and respected by politicians across the board and was admired by fellow political presenters. His views on football I am less familiar with.
As with Gary Neville, Lineker confuses popularity and Twitter reach with gravitas. Money and ego have powered his flight rather too close to the sun.
I wonder what Keeley Donovan's opinions are about the Government's levelling up policies. I pay my licence fee, I need to know!
Surely you can't expect all Presenters to be given free reign to use their privileged positions to push their personal political agendas? You are old enough to know that BBC employees are constrained by the terms of their contract to uphold a non partisan position as a condition of the licence fee?
If another high profile figure was spouting the opposite views then they would also need to be spoken to.
You will also know that Lineker is pushing his podcast pairing with Alastair Campbell so all publicity is good for him. Despite being in 'talks' with BBC management for days he arrogantly told press that he would be presenting MOTD as usual.
It is not a question of whether you support his views as such. Rather a question of whether we want a national broadcaster or not. The more you call for BBC employees to exert unfettered freedom of speech the sooner the whole concept collapses.
It’s not just Lineker that’s falling foul of this though. One of Sir David Attenborough episodes has been pulled for highlighting the damage being done to the countryside, nature and the pollution poured into rivers because it may upset landowners, big business, the water companies and the Daily Telegraph
intercourse kids, corpses and the disabled, BBC love you and you get a knighthood, speak the truth and you’re outcast…ironic really isn’t it? Those who bemoan cancel culture and all it stands for have inadvertently just done the very thing they so loudly detest…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
It's mad that the BBC let Jimmy Saville shag kids but god forbid someone criticises the Tories!
OUCH that's a good way of putting it cuts to the bone. UTM
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They’ve copulated everything else up so have put out some policy to appeal to the lowest common denominators to try and revive some support. It’s backfiring massively - only the anti-cancel culturists who are tying themselves in knots to justify the Lineker stuff are on side with it.
Taxpayer will save £1.6m a year on his salary that isn’t a salary and he will have time to sort out his £5m tax dispute with HMRC . Seems like a win all round.
I have quoted before The pen is mightier than the sword! But in this day and modern age social media is now a serious weapon and people interpret what you say /put your opinion across. And so have we had a taste of it dare i say a social media platform and a woman with a disabled son. ( No Names - No Packdrill). The chance for the BBC to axe Gary Lineker and save on wages. For MOTD with out Gary lineker is a non starter As for Alan Shearer and Ian Wright well done for standing by ,backing up Gary. BBC & Government and politicians don't mix with sport for me.
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Personally I would enjoy MOTD more if they got rid of the presenter and the studio “experts”. I only want to see the football and not have someone tell me what I’ve just watched. Enjoy the league 1 & 2 goals program on Sky, just show the goals/action. Next Sunday will be the second time, after the Southampton game, I will actually watch the half time chat, usually it’s the ideal time to make a cuppa.
The BBC is a woke corporation and completely out of touch with the modern world. They can stuff MOTD , not that I watch it very much but it is obvious to me that the BBC is controlled by the government.
Dead Eye Dobbin stood motionless waiting, waiting, waiting for the ball to arrive. Back came the right foot, Down came the right foot, Bang ! Headlines around the world as the ball flew into the very top right hand corner of the goal.( Jim Dobbin scoring in the 89th minute for Town against Newcastle United away 24/10/1992 )
In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions. Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them. GOD
He posted it on his own personal twitter account and is a freelance worker who happens to present some BBC (sports) programmes. Andrew Neil had a weekly political programme on BBC One and was allowed to post whatever the hell he liked on Twitter for years.
You completely miss the point again that it is through the platform of MOTD that Lineker has such an audience anyway. At our considerable expense too. The fact that many of the Beeb's high earners are not salaried is a getaround for tax and the awkwardness of parity pay awards.
Lineker could still talk about issues of the day on Twitter but be a little cleverer about it. Surely he knew that he was way over the top. He did well at school. His knowledge of the Second World War can't be that bad. No, he did it because he wanted the limelight and perhaps his talks with the BBC were not going his way. Another one heading to LBC?
Perhaps you are right and the BBC is no longer fit for it's original purpose. I don't want to pay the licence fee any more but my wife does. Many households will be divided. The kids don't care. Lineker knows it and wants maximum exposure on his way out.
He has been sacked. This government is something else
Hes a hypocrite champagne socilist who has broken impartiality rules time and time again whilst taking a huge Salary paid for by licence fee payers including OAPs.
Personally I would enjoy MOTD more if they got rid of the presenter and the studio “experts”. I only want to see the football and not have someone tell me what I’ve just watched. Enjoy the league 1 & 2 goals program on Sky, just show the goals/action. Next Sunday will be the second time, after the Southampton game, I will actually watch the half time chat, usually it’s the ideal time to make a cuppa.
The BBC are constrained on the length of highlights they are allowed to show. They'd have to shorten the programme.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
He should be allowed to say what he wants on his own Twitter. He never said it on air. He doesn't represent the BBC 24 hours a day. Doesn't matter whether he was right or wrong.
That is exactly how I see it. I don’t agree with what he’s said, as such, but he can say what he wants. The BBC have always perplexed me, they really are a law unto themselves.
Lineker should take note of this. And if he cares to do some research before opening his big gob, he will find a lot more of this. Even his home town of Leicester became the first city in this country where whites are the ethnic minority.
Most Albanians crossing the Channel in small boats are male – for example, from 2018 to June 2022, 95% of Albanian small boat arrivals were male.
Those coming from Albania – a safe and prosperous country – are travelling through multiple countries to make the journey to the UK. Following the passing of the Nationality and Borders Act, asylum claims may be inadmissible if someone travels through a safe third country before reaching the UK.
Thank god "Jug Lugs" has gone and not before time the smarmy bar steward. Just need him to take Shearer, Jenas, Richards and all the other overpaid prima donnas with him and then we could have more football and less talking balderdash !
Thank you BBC, you've grown a pair at last !
I'm all for reincarnating Brian Moore, a proper football pundit
I don't imagine Lineker cares too much whether he's reinstated or not (so won't agree to be gagged) as he'll quickly be snapped up by a commercial station who'll pay more.
This thread, and all the others on social media, evidence why the BBC has an impartiality policy and why they felt that they needed to act.
Everyone has a strong view on who is right and who is wrong, exactly the sort of controversy they wish to avoid. There is room for Lineker to express his views, but in this case his comparison to Nazi Germany was a step too far. He could have achieved the airing of his views, but in a less controversial manner, and this furure would have been avoided.
Freedom of speech can remain in tact, but we must all have a filter to know where to draw the line.
Lineker should take note of this. And if he cares to do some research before opening his big gob, he will find a lot more of this. Even his home town of Leicester became the first city in this country where whites are the ethnic minority.
White people in Leicester are not the ethnic minority.
People who identify as Asian / British Asian are the ethnic majority in Leicester.
Lineker should take note of this. And if he cares to do some research before opening his big gob, he will find a lot more of this. Even his home town of Leicester became the first city in this country where whites are the ethnic minority.
Most Albanians crossing the Channel in small boats are male – for example, from 2018 to June 2022, 95% of Albanian small boat arrivals were male.
Those coming from Albania – a safe and prosperous country – are travelling through multiple countries to make the journey to the UK. Following the passing of the Nationality and Borders Act, asylum claims may be inadmissible if someone travels through a safe third country before reaching the UK.
Be interested to see the sources for all those stats.
This thread, and all the others on social media, evidence why the BBC has an impartiality policy and why they felt that they needed to act.
Everyone has a strong view on who is right and who is wrong, exactly the sort of controversy they wish to avoid. There is room for Lineker to express his views, but in this case his comparison to Nazi Germany was a step too far. He could have achieved the airing of his views, but in a less controversial manner, and this furure would have been avoided.
Freedom of speech can remain in tact, but we must all have a filter to know where to draw the line.
He compared the language used by the government to 1930's Germany, which is a perfectly accurate and relevant comparison.
This thread, and all the others on social media, evidence why the BBC has an impartiality policy and why they felt that they needed to act.
Everyone has a strong view on who is right and who is wrong, exactly the sort of controversy they wish to avoid. There is room for Lineker to express his views, but in this case his comparison to Nazi Germany was a step too far. He could have achieved the airing of his views, but in a less controversial manner, and this furure would have been avoided.
Freedom of speech can remain in tact, but we must all have a filter to know where to draw the line.
“You can have free speech but don’t you dare say that!”
Lineker should take note of this. And if he cares to do some research before opening his big gob, he will find a lot more of this. Even his home town of Leicester became the first city in this country where whites are the ethnic minority.
Most Albanians crossing the Channel in small boats are male – for example, from 2018 to June 2022, 95% of Albanian small boat arrivals were male.
Those coming from Albania – a safe and prosperous country – are travelling through multiple countries to make the journey to the UK. Following the passing of the Nationality and Borders Act, asylum claims may be inadmissible if someone travels through a safe third country before reaching the UK.
This thread, and all the others on social media, evidence why the BBC has an impartiality policy and why they felt that they needed to act.
Everyone has a strong view on who is right and who is wrong, exactly the sort of controversy they wish to avoid. There is room for Lineker to express his views, but in this case his comparison to Nazi Germany was a step too far. He could have achieved the airing of his views, but in a less controversial manner, and this furure would have been avoided.
Freedom of speech can remain in tact, but we must all have a filter to know where to draw the line.
If I wanted to avoid being likened to Nazi Germany, I would simply avoid silencing my critics.
You completely miss the point again that it is through the platform of MOTD that Lineker has such an audience anyway. At our considerable expense too. The fact that many of the Beeb's high earners are not salaried is a getaround for tax and the awkwardness of parity pay awards.
Lineker could still talk about issues of the day on Twitter but be a little cleverer about it. Surely he knew that he was way over the top. He did well at school. His knowledge of the Second World War can't be that bad. No, he did it because he wanted the limelight and perhaps his talks with the BBC were not going his way. Another one heading to LBC?
Perhaps you are right and the BBC is no longer fit for it's original purpose. I don't want to pay the licence fee any more but my wife does. Many households will be divided. The kids don't care. Lineker knows it and wants maximum exposure on his way out.
We have all been played.
I dont pay it and dont watch it but if you touch any bbc product on your phone they are sending emails about their operatives coming round and checking you dont use it at home....lets hope they dont come next Sunday !
Binned off for telling the truth. WTF are we becoming?
What flipping truth, the fact that many in this country want to stop illegal immigrants coming into the UK costing millions of pounds giving them free board, free food, free health care probably for years that many in this country can only dream of and comparing that to the gassing of 6 million Jews.
What flipping truth, the fact that many in this country want to stop illegal immigrants coming into the UK costing millions of pounds giving them free board, free food, free health care probably for years that many in this country can only dream of and comparing that to the gassing of 6 million Jews.
He didn’t say Nazi or mention the holocaust in his tweet.
Lineker should take note of this. And if he cares to do some research before opening his big gob, he will find a lot more of this. Even his home town of Leicester became the first city in this country where whites are the ethnic minority.
Most Albanians crossing the Channel in small boats are male – for example, from 2018 to June 2022, 95% of Albanian small boat arrivals were male.
Those coming from Albania – a safe and prosperous country – are travelling through multiple countries to make the journey to the UK. Following the passing of the Nationality and Borders Act, asylum claims may be inadmissible if someone travels through a safe third country before reaching the UK.
It always confuses me so much as to why older white men in particular care so much about ethnic demographics. Who the intercourse cares if white people are the main ethnicity in a city or not? You do realise non-white people are humans too?
Good point about Albania being safe and prosperous, I propose you move there. It'll do you good to see more of the world, expand your horizons, and meet human beings. Maybe then you'll realise that they're actual people.
It's clear to see you're a very scared old man, and it will do you well meeting people from different backgrounds.
What flipping truth, the fact that many in this country want to stop illegal immigrants coming into the UK costing millions of pounds giving them free board, free food, free health care probably for years that many in this country can only dream of and comparing that to the gassing of 6 million Jews.
There’s no such thing as illegal immigration and every single person on a train, boat or plane has the right to claim asylum. It’s up to us to have a system that’s fit to process the claims.
What flipping truth, the fact that many in this country want to stop illegal immigrants coming into the UK costing millions of pounds giving them free board, free food, free health care probably for years that many in this country can only dream of and comparing that to the gassing of 6 million Jews.
What flipping truth, the fact that many in this country want to stop illegal immigrants coming into the UK costing millions of pounds giving them free board, free food, free health care probably for years that many in this country can only dream of and comparing that to the gassing of 6 million Jews.
Always guesswork from these types. They never research facts, what's the point in them? I'll come up with my own misguided judgments that I have no idea are factually correct or not, and stick a probably on the end.
If I wanted to avoid being likened to Nazi Germany, I would simply avoid silencing my critics.
He chose to take the shilling of an organisation constrained by rules about impartiality thus silencing himself to a degree but not totally. He wants a high profile on Twitter to heavily criticise the current Government on a tranche of issues. Actual political journos at the BBC can't do that.
Saying he is an independent hired contractor won't wash. The obligation still applies under such a high profile role as the highest paid employee.
Would you accept a replacement on his money who spouted right wing bollox?
They can get rid of the whole programme as far as I'm concerned. Miss the cricket though.
He chose to take the shilling of an organisation constrained by rules about impartiality thus silencing himself to a degree but not totally. He wants a high profile on Twitter to heavily criticise the current Government on a tranche of issues. Actual political journos at the BBC can't do that.
Saying he is an independent hired contractor won't wash. The obligation still applies under such a high profile role as the highest paid employee.
Would you accept a replacement on his money who spouted right wing bollox?
They can get rid of the whole programme as far as I'm concerned. Miss the cricket though.
The cricket with Geoff Boycott who expressed his views on a no-deal brexit publicly?
He chose to take the shilling of an organisation constrained by rules about impartiality thus silencing himself to a degree but not totally. He wants a high profile on Twitter to heavily criticise the current Government on a tranche of issues. Actual political journos at the BBC can't do that.
Saying he is an independent hired contractor won't wash. The obligation still applies under such a high profile role as the highest paid employee.
Would you accept a replacement on his money who spouted right wing bollox?
They can get rid of the whole programme as far as I'm concerned. Miss the cricket though.
Then I look forward to The Apprentice being binned as Lord Sugar is equally as vocal with his political thoughts.
Except we both know he won’t get silenced because he’s pro-Tory.
He chose to take the shilling of an organisation constrained by rules about impartiality thus silencing himself to a degree but not totally. He wants a high profile on Twitter to heavily criticise the current Government on a tranche of issues. Actual political journos at the BBC can't do that.
Saying he is an independent hired contractor won't wash. The obligation still applies under such a high profile role as the highest paid employee.
Would you accept a replacement on his money who spouted right wing bollox?
They can get rid of the whole programme as far as I'm concerned. Miss the cricket though.
Then I look forward to The Apprentice being binned as Lord Sugar is equally as vocal with his political thoughts.
Except we both know he won’t get silenced because he’s pro-Tory.
Oh yes please take the Apprentice and all the rest of the shrieking populist rammel.
Repeat no one is being silenced. Negotiations are taking place but the BBC clearly want a better understanding of his obligations regarding impartiality. If Lineker insists that he is an exception there will be a parting of the ways.
To be clear, The BBC has lost credibility as far as News and Politics is concerned anyhow. There is hardly a journalist without an obvious bias and the dumming down of everything makes most output unwatchable.
These binary times are tearing the organisation apart. The more we ape the U.S.A in our media discourse the worse it gets.
What flipping truth, the fact that many in this country want to stop illegal immigrants coming into the UK costing millions of pounds giving them free board, free food, free health care probably for years that many in this country can only dream of and comparing that to the gassing of 6 million Jews.
The moment you had to add the word ‘probably’ to your nonsensical diatribe meant your comment is irrelevant. It’s not fact, it’s barely opinion…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
What flipping truth, the fact that many in this country want to stop illegal immigrants coming into the UK costing millions of pounds giving them free board, free food, free health care probably for years that many in this country can only dream of and comparing that to the gassing of 6 million Jews.
Lineker: ‘…in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s’
arryarryarry: ‘…comparing that to the gassing of 6 million Jews’
Now. Can you see the differences in those two statements?
Firstly, Lineker is discussing the language used, not the acts carried out. He also mentions the 1930s.
You compare it to a monstrous act that happened in the 1940s. The groundwork for the genocide may have started in the 30s, but that was aided by the state control of the media, state propaganda and the dehumanisation of certain groups of people.
Obviously, vulnerable people such as the physically and mentally disabled were being tortured, poisoned and killed by the Nazis in the 30s ***. However, you could argue that the Government of the past 13 years have had a pretty good crack at that themselves through their incompetence, fraud and mismanagement.
***whilst the UK Govt of the 1930s and the English FA were forcing the England football team to heil Hitler and give Nazi salutes
Fortunately for the Tories they have got what they always wanted after years of complaining the BBC is too left wing, a Director General of the BBC who is both a donor to the Tory party and a loan arranger for Boris who can now bow to their demands. What better plan to take the heat off the criticism of their proposed (doomed to failure AGAIN) immigration bill than to get a few MP,s who you have never heard of before to complain about Lineker's comments, which only his followers would have seen anyway in the short time it was displayed. Blasted all over the Tory newspapers, a demand for his sacking, no coincidence there was there? He was probably a little naive to think his comments wouldn't be pounced on, but he's entitled to his opinion like all of us.
To be clear, The BBC has lost credibility as far as News and Politics is concerned anyhow.
True. They've been basing their reportage around what is printed on the front page of the Times, Telegraph, Mail etc for a very long time now. Any hint of impartiality way out of the window this being the case, even before considering the obvious biases of Robinson, Neil, Humphries, Kuenssberg etc etc which has been clear.
I find the comments about getting rid of the pundits amusing. A relative of mine told me she really liked the programme come dine with me, but she said they should get rid of the commentator as he’s so rude. She completely missed the point the commentator was the programme and he’s the reason it’s funny and popular. If you got to the pub and a discussion about the match comes up, do you just say I saw Dave pass to Pete and score then drink your beer or do you talk about how someone’s playing and their runs or shots or defensive errors. Why the managers picked a certain team etc etc. Just watching football without talking or without reference is so much less enjoyable. . John Motson is a legend because of his punditry not because he said Dave’s passed to Pete and scored!
Our players’ well deserved day in the limelight in front of the biggest television audience they could possibly play in front of now in doubt because of xenophobic pensioners moaning about some tweets. Nice one, nob ‘eds.
Christ you all wanted him sacked a few months ago. 6th place finish and he's now the messiah and can do no wrong Update: I think I've got this right - He was the messiah. He then wasn't. He then was again. Then it turned out he actually wasnt. He turned into one big huge messiah again. Now he's not actually the messiah we thought he was . Now I'm hoping he rises again quickly
Well thanks everyone (nearly) for turning this thread about who could be left to present the live coverage of the Brighton game into a diatribe against the BBC and the Government which in turn will send this to non-football like so many other threads that start off with totally innocent subjects.
Some people just love to spit venom whenever they get the chance.
Well thanks everyone (nearly) for turning this thread about who could be left to present the live coverage of the Brighton game into a diatribe against the BBC and the Government which in turn will send this to non-football like so many other threads that start off with totally innocent subjects.
Some people just love to spit venom whenever they get the chance.
Thanks again. You really are the worst.
If you cannot see beyond "who'll present the TV show?" in the BBC's sacking of Gary Lineker, I'm afraid your world-view is sadly narrow.
The UK Government plans to introduce a scheme which breaks international agreements we have signed concerning the proper treatment of asylum seekers. They know full well that it does break these agreements, but can't openly admit it - so they admit there is a 'greater than 50% chance' that the proposals conflict with our international obligations. Which is true, as 100% is indeed greater than 50%.
By referring to asylum seekers as "illegal immigrants" they are employing inflammatory language in an effort justify their xenophobic plans. Lineker pointed out (correctly, as many others have) that this sort of demonising rhetoric is reminiscent of Germany in the 1930s, as Hitler's fascists tried to dredge up some moral justification for their actions and policies.
So Lineker gets sacked by the BBC - whose chairman was appointed by liar-in-chief/lockdown-partygoer Boris Johnson (likely as a thank you for helping BJ arrange financial support).
Every right-wing Government seeks to muzzle the press (so dissent is stifled) and weaken the power of courts (so that they cannot be challenged). Israel being the obvious case in point, Hungary another. We are in danger of heading the same way.
If we don't learn the lessons from the mistakes of history we will inevitably repeat them.
I'm pleased that so many Fishy posts take a broader view than "Oh - I wonder who'll present MOTD when we're on it...?".
He should be allowed to say what he wants on his own Twitter. He never said it on air. He doesn't represent the BBC 24 hours a day. Doesn't matter whether he was right or wrong.
I agree .
I reckon Lineker is a smug twit sometimes but free speech is feee speech. To be fair I reckon he’s had enough of MOTD anyway and knew full well the us would happen
Sugar was a donor to the Labour Party , where do you think his Lordship came from ?
Yep. But he had publicly endorsed the Tories in the last three elections. So should, if he’s to get the same treatment as Lineker, have been removed from his show for not being impartial.
It’s time for 3 non footballers to inject new life into MOTD and turn it more towards a post match pub analysis instead of the usual boring bollo.cks that everyone just fast forwards anyway . Come on … we all do it . Just facking admit it . Who wants to watch slow mo’s and arrows . It’s all a load of blabbering.
Personally, I'm looking forward to hearing what Rees-Mogg and Dorries think about the tactical benefits of three at the back or playing a false 9 on MoTD tonight.
Sharon Jones’ uncles mate who once stopped at Leicester services…’full of em he said’, white minority he claims. Said it all with a profile picture of himself on a lounger in Benidorm wearing Union Jack shorts and a sunburnt head.
http://www.dinghysaredangerous.com (naturally, this is a website to help protect children in summer, playing in the sea but the bigots don’t know and assume it’s been set up by some nonce like the guy from National Action)…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Football pundits should stick to football we are not bothered about their political leanings. He was well overpaid for 30 minutes of talking a week. There are plenty of ex professional footballers that can take over from him, I used to like Garth Crookes but he doesn’t seem to get on tv now also Jermaine Jenas is good.
Football pundits should stick to football we are not bothered about their political leanings. He was well overpaid for 30 minutes of talking a week. There are plenty of ex professional footballers that can take over from him, I used to like Garth Crookes but he doesn’t seem to get on tv now also Jermaine Jenas is good.
That’s a weird logic, does that mean that a bloke who’s a teacher, or doctor or whatever isn’t allowed to air a political view?
What was your view on local comedian using his large social media presence to draw attention to a very suspect character cosying up to our owner? That’s essentially what Lineker has done…
Crooked was taken off the telly for the same reason Le Tissier and co were, they’re dreadful. Besides, Crookes has a regular article on the Beebs website.
Out of interest, I’d your boss offered you an inflated salary for the same or less work, you turning it down?
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Perhaps the people moaning about politics entering a discussion could also meet up at Sidney Park to have a good moan together? This thread is entirely about Lineker's removal from MoTD for political reasons - why post on it if you're not interested in reading about it? Truly bizarre.
If people aren't interested in politics and how it interacts with football and society, that's entirely their choice. However, just be aware that the policies implemented by the politicians won't ignore you even if you ignore them.
I reckon Lineker is a smug twit sometimes but free speech is feee speech. To be fair I reckon he’s had enough of MOTD anyway and knew full well the us would happen
Freedom of speech is sacrosanct and should be defended. I have no objections to Lineker criticising Government policy but what I do object to is his comparison with the Nazi movement in Germany pre and during WW2. How he can draw any comparison with mass murder and genocide of the Jewish people to the refusal of illegal entry into the UK by refugees is just so wrong.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
Freedom of speech is sacrosanct and should be defended. I have no objections to Lineker criticising Government policy but what I do object to is his comparison with the Nazi movement in Germany pre and during WW2. How he can draw any comparison with mass murder and genocide of the Jewish people to the refusal of illegal entry into the UK by refugees is just so wrong.
Except he didn’t say that did he?
You’ve either misinterpreted what he said or listened to someone else tell you that is what he said without reading the tweet yourself.
You can’t just make stuff up to fit the narrative of what you wanted Lineker to say to get him out. Now, that is what happened in 1930s Germany.
Thank god "Jug Lugs" has gone and not before time the smarmy bar steward. Just need him to take Shearer, Jenas, Richards and all the other overpaid prima donnas with him and then we could have more football and less talking balderdash !
Thank you BBC, you've grown a pair at last !
I'm all for reincarnating Brian Moore, a proper football pundit
And what about " Saints & Greavsie" back in the day Coined the immortal phrase "Funny old game football". UTM LETS sit back and let it all unfold We got Brighton to think about.
An Exile and Proud !! UTM Mariners Trust Life Member. In the words of my Uncle Fred "You can take the man outta of Grimsby BUT you can't take the Grimsby! Out the man!"
You’ve either misinterpreted what he said or listened to someone else tell you that is what he said without reading the tweet yourself.
You can’t just make stuff up to fit the narrative of what you wanted Lineker to say to get him out. Now, that is what happened in 1930s Germany.
" This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in a language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the '30s ' By ' not dissimilar' obviously interprets as ' similar ' and what 'vulnerable people' was he alluding to in '30s Germany?
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
BBC will no doubt have its revenge by changing the format and the overpaid presenter, pundits and tired format will be out on its ear. Wonder what Gary’s mates will be thinking then.
Freedom of speech is sacrosanct and should be defended. I have no objections to Lineker criticising Government policy but what I do object to is his comparison with the Nazi movement in Germany pre and during WW2. How he can draw any comparison with mass murder and genocide of the Jewish people to the refusal of illegal entry into the UK by refugees is just so wrong.
You can explain it to people, but you can’t understand it for them!
Gary Lineker didn’t compare the current government to the Nazi’s of the Holocaust. He said the current language being deployed is comparable to language used in 1930s Germany. And he’s 100% correct to say that.
Terms and phrases like “invasion”, “swarms”, “overrun”, “unwelcome”, “illegal”, “coming over here”, “no right to be be here” and many many more are all designed to dehumanise the refugees who are attempting to come the UK.
Dehumanising language just like in 1930s Germany when persecution of the Jews, Gypsies and many others was being slowly ramped up.
" This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in a language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the '30s ' By ' not dissimilar' obviously interprets as ' similar ' and what 'vulnerable people' was he alluding to in '30s Germany?
I’ve already covered this a few pages ago (bottom of page 8 ).
You do realise that it wasn’t just Jews who were persecuted and killed by the Nazis don’t you? Obviously, in the 1940s, the Jews suffered terribly. It was disgusting. Words can’t express how terrible it was.
However, in the 1930s, your life was at equal or greater risk from the Nazis - in that decade that Lineker referred to - if you were mentally or physically disabled, homosexual, black, Asian, Roma or had political views that didn’t match those of the Reich.
Wouldn't lose any sleep if none of the so-called 'experts' appeared on MOTD again. They are all self-opinionated and totally boring. You all know what an expert is don't you? An ex is a has-been and spurt is a drip under pressure!
Much prefer the lads that cover the games on Supersport or Bein Sport.
Interestingly enough, during the 1930s, the Nazis had a plan to remove the Jews from Germany by forcibly emigrating them to Madagascar. Now, why does that sound familiar to me? I'm sure there has been something on the news recently...
If you don't want to be accused of acting like fascists, then don't act like a fascist. We're already a good way down a slippery slope, which is pretty shameful.
In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions. Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them. GOD
Which probably highlights once more the fact football and politics are intrinsically linked and forever will be…anyone that thinks otherwise needs to give their head a wobble…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Which probably highlights once more the fact football and politics are intrinsically linked and forever will be…anyone that thinks otherwise needs to give their head a wobble…
Maybe so but this has turned into a whole political thread and as such should now be non football.
In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions. Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them. GOD
Genuinely can't believe some of the #%## I'm reading here. I really do pity society.
Coming from Jewish ancestry I can certainly, and unequivocally tell you that Gary's liking of the immigration policy to that of Nazi Germany in the 30s is completely bull $@$ and frankly offensive. Just a millionaire with a mansion telling all us little folks how to be " a good citizen" laughable. Does he help the homeless?
One of the main reasons ( other than nazie belief that they were a pure blood superior race ) was the increase in Jewish immigration and the wealth that the brought with the. They often would open business in multiple locations which often put the Germans out of business. These 2 things were a big contributer in the nazis causing "Mass hysteria" and ultimately killing millions of Jews in gas Chambers and concentration camps. How on earth anyone in their right mind can compare that will immigration control of today is beyond me.
If anything. Part of the immigration control is to try and prevent channel crossing which are extremely dangerous and often kill a high percentage that attempt it.
I'm all for giving underprivileged people a chance but I've often seen immigrants with large families given 4-5 bedroom homes and benefits whilst there's people out there on the streets, begging for food, who's paid taxes and treated like vermin... not to mention ex military and the vast number of British nationals struggling with food banks.
Why can't we at least sort our nation out and put this much concentration into helping our own in need? And maybe then look at helping people from abroad?
The fact no one is even discussing that says everything...
I blocked seeing red ticks years ago so go ahead If I don't reply to you then i didn't read your replies
Genuinely can't believe some of the #%## I'm reading here. I really do pity society.
Coming from Jewish ancestry I can certainly, and unequivocally tell you that Gary's liking of the immigration policy to that of Nazi Germany in the 30s is completely bull $@$ and frankly offensive. Just a millionaire with a mansion telling all us little folks how to be " a good citizen" laughable. Does he help the homeless?
One of the main reasons ( other than nazie belief that they were a pure blood superior race ) was the increase in Jewish immigration and the wealth that the brought with the. They often would open business in multiple locations which often put the Germans out of business. These 2 things were a big contributer in the nazis causing "Mass hysteria" and ultimately killing millions of Jews in gas Chambers and concentration camps. How on earth anyone in their right mind can compare that will immigration control of today is beyond me.
If anything. Part of the immigration control is to try and prevent channel crossing which are extremely dangerous and often kill a high percentage that attempt it.
I'm all for giving underprivileged people a chance but I've often seen immigrants with large families given 4-5 bedroom homes and benefits whilst there's people out there on the streets, begging for food, who's paid taxes and treated like vermin... not to mention ex military and the vast number of British nationals struggling with food banks.
Why can't we at least sort our nation out and put this much concentration into helping our own in need? And maybe then look at helping people from abroad?
The fact no one is even discussing that says everything...
How odd…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
When I was a girl, footballers had a somewhat limited vocabulary. That wasn’t to say that they were seen as inferior to wordy types – on the contrary, like blind piano-tuners, they were seen as accessing a higher level of excellence in one specific realm which we Normals had no chance of achieving. Thus when they spoke of being over the moon/sick as a parrot, we accepted that their brains were in their feet and happily indulged them. Even when humble hometown heroes were succeeded by flashy feet-for-hire mercenaries from Best to Gascoigne, who were worshipped like deities, their fans wouldn’t have given tuppence for their opinions on any burning moral issues of the day, which was just as well as these idols were linked by a tendency to beat up women. Even now it’s a rare season that doesn’t see a footballer accused of rape.
When taking the knee was all the rage, was anything done to pay similar respect to the victims of femicide? Not once. But then, those who embrace the brotherhood of man often believe that this gives them a free pass to insult women, as the Ghandi of sport, Gary Lineker, was accused of last year when his response to the Lionesses historic victory was a creepy Tweet about brassieres. But maybe it’s a good thing that Lineker hasn’t led the charge for women’s rights, as anything he touches with his cheese-and-oniony hands tends to end up smelling none too sweet.
He trivialised the very real evil of racism awhile back when, in an interview with Jake Humphrey, he pretty much claimed to be non-white, saying that as a youngster he had endured ‘pretty much racist abuse… without being good at sport, life would have been very different for me… I think I would have been bullied at school, I was kind of marginally that way anyway because I was this tiny geeky kid, with darkish skin and I had pretty much racist abuse although I’m not, I’m as English as they come.
Of course, if a man can be a woman at will, then Gary can certainly be black but with this statement – so hideously insulting to actual victims of racism – his preposterousness was established once and for all. Now he’s said something equally offensive, claiming that the language used about stopping economic migration to this country is in some way equivalent to ‘Germany in the 30s’. Yes, it’s our old friend ‘Everyone I don’t like is literally Hitler’, last used this offensively when India Knight wrote of being born in Brussels in a post-Brexit Britain ‘I now have a letter from the Home Office that I carry about on my phone, in case I need to show it to someone, like a Jew in late 1930s Berlin.’
Lineker is a long-time Israel-basher, which makes these comparisons even more revolting than they otherwise might be. His ignorance shines through, too. The Jews so viciously persecuted in 1930s Germany were citizens of that country – not migrants without documentation coming from a safe country. When you bring up Nazism in a discussion about immigration, you are continuing to spread the lie that the Jews of Europe had no right to be there. And not only is saying ‘They’re just like the Nazis’ about anyone who isn’t literally committing genocide a vile affront to everyone who suffered or died at the hands of the actual Nazis, as a rhetorical flourish it carries about as much weight as ‘I know you are but what am I?’
Are we really acting like stormtroopers if we enquire if it’s absolutely necessary for Albanians to relocate to Surrey? At one point last year, four out of ten illegal immigrants rocking up on the beaches of Kent were from a democracy where there has not been a war in 25 years. Are we really behaving like the Waffen SS if we ask when thousands of young men from the Middle East – many raised in cultures where un-shrouded women are regarded as scum – arrive in British cities, what their attitudes to women are? Even disregarding the effects mass immigration has on a host community, what about the harm to the migrants themselves? The English Channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world; dissuading small boats from crossing it is a moral obligation.
The dung heap of filthy lucre which Lineker sits atop of – including the millions of pounds he has pocketed over the past 25 years urging the nation to neck as many units of salt, fat and sugar that we can manage to consume in the shape of Walkers crisps – is a huge one, believed to be £30 million. Think of all the good that money could be doing if he joined the UK branch of Patriotic Millionaires, those adorable moneybags who are currently clamouring to be taxed until the pips squeak. According to analysis from the USA where the idea started it could generate a whopping $2.50 trillion a year if for those with more than $5 million paid tax starting at 2 per cent annually, rising to 3 per cent for those with more than $50 million, and 5 per cent for billionaires. Over here on Nazi Island, such a taxation system is reckoned to be able to raise £43.71 billion a year. Go on, Gaz – do it for England! Though as he’s currently embroiled in a row with HMRC – who claim that he owes them nearly £5 million in back taxes – this seems unlikely.
We all know what this is about, of course – like so many cultural scuffles, it’s about Brexit, which Lineker came out against in the run-up to the 2016 referendum. ‘Personally I believe there are plenty of reasons to remain but barely any to leave. Love Europe, love being part of Europe. #Remain’ he tweeted. Ever since the Great and the Good – incorporating the Smug and the Superior – were defeated by the will of the people, they’ve been displaying all the good grace of Miss Havisham in her decaying wedding dress railing against the horridness of humankind. Lineker, like other footballers past and present, has been taken up by these sore losers as a Good Prole who can be waved in the faces of Bad Proles who felt that not being hog-tied by a bunch of Brussels bureaucrats might be worth taking a punt on.
But telling the proles to play nicely and share the state’s ever-dwindling resources from your cushy billet at the BBC (on a salary of £1.35 million, Lineker is the corporation’s highest-paid employee) was never going to be a good look and now Saint Gaz has been sent for an early bath by his BBC paymasters: ‘The BBC has decided that he will step back from presenting Match of the Day until we’ve got an agreed and clear position on his use of social media. We have never said that Gary should be an opinion-free zone, or that he can’t have a view on issues that matter to him, but we have said that he should keep well away from taking sides on party political issues or political controversies.’ I daresay he’ll have a horrid time sitting around in his £4 million London house. Though it must hurt that he no longer has his villa in Barbados – it was shown in the Paradise Papers leak that he sold the five-bedroomed, marble-bathroomed colonial-style mansion on the Royal Westmoreland Golf and Country Club development via his Goalhanger Inc firm, which was registered in the British Virgin Islands and thus seemed to avoid paying Barbadian stamp duty (Lineker’s representative said there had been ‘no tax irregularity’).
The BBC sending Saint Gaz to the subs bench for a cooling off period has caused a collective temper tantrum amongst his impoverished co-presenters Ian Wright and Alan Shearer who have sworn to boycott Match of the Day. Never mind – maybe the BBC could draft in some actual football fans, people who understand that it doesn’t make one a fascist to believe that endless immigration can sometimes be bad for Britons who don’t live in live in gated communities, don’t have extensive private health cover and whose kiddies don’t attend private schools.
I don’t have any faith in the BBC to have a backbone for more than a fortnight, so I’m sure that Lineker’s more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger smirk will soon be delighting us again. But Saint Gaz really needs to think about whether he wants to grace the BBC with his presence because amongst the licence-fee payers who keep him in the luxury he has become accustomed to will be a lot of people who don’t believe that a permanently open-door immigration policy will make life on this island better, either for the people already here or indeed the migrants themselves. As I write, an Iraqi migrant, Rebaz Mohammed, who arrived here on a small boat, has just been sentenced to six years in prison for stabbing a student because he wanted to be deported back to Iraq – having previously been cautioned for criminal damage and battery and jailed for 12 weeks for racially-aggravated harassment and stalking. Much of the £1.35 million a year Lineker is rewarded comes from BBC licence payers who may think that he should never have been allowed to come here – are they Nazis too? If so, surely Saint Gaz would never want to take blood money from people who are Literally Hitler.
When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
When I was a girl, footballers had a somewhat limited vocabulary. That wasn’t to say that they were seen as inferior to wordy types – on the contrary, like blind piano-tuners, they were seen as accessing a higher level of excellence in one specific realm which we Normals had no chance of achieving. Thus when they spoke of being over the moon/sick as a parrot, we accepted that their brains were in their feet and happily indulged them. Even when humble hometown heroes were succeeded by flashy feet-for-hire mercenaries from Best to Gascoigne, who were worshipped like deities, their fans wouldn’t have given tuppence for their opinions on any burning moral issues of the day, which was just as well as these idols were linked by a tendency to beat up women. Even now it’s a rare season that doesn’t see a footballer accused of rape.
When taking the knee was all the rage, was anything done to pay similar respect to the victims of femicide? Not once. But then, those who embrace the brotherhood of man often believe that this gives them a free pass to insult women, as the Ghandi of sport, Gary Lineker, was accused of last year when his response to the Lionesses historic victory was a creepy Tweet about brassieres. But maybe it’s a good thing that Lineker hasn’t led the charge for women’s rights, as anything he touches with his cheese-and-oniony hands tends to end up smelling none too sweet.
He trivialised the very real evil of racism awhile back when, in an interview with Jake Humphrey, he pretty much claimed to be non-white, saying that as a youngster he had endured ‘pretty much racist abuse… without being good at sport, life would have been very different for me… I think I would have been bullied at school, I was kind of marginally that way anyway because I was this tiny geeky kid, with darkish skin and I had pretty much racist abuse although I’m not, I’m as English as they come.
Of course, if a man can be a woman at will, then Gary can certainly be black but with this statement – so hideously insulting to actual victims of racism – his preposterousness was established once and for all. Now he’s said something equally offensive, claiming that the language used about stopping economic migration to this country is in some way equivalent to ‘Germany in the 30s’. Yes, it’s our old friend ‘Everyone I don’t like is literally Hitler’, last used this offensively when India Knight wrote of being born in Brussels in a post-Brexit Britain ‘I now have a letter from the Home Office that I carry about on my phone, in case I need to show it to someone, like a Jew in late 1930s Berlin.’
Lineker is a long-time Israel-basher, which makes these comparisons even more revolting than they otherwise might be. His ignorance shines through, too. The Jews so viciously persecuted in 1930s Germany were citizens of that country – not migrants without documentation coming from a safe country. When you bring up Nazism in a discussion about immigration, you are continuing to spread the lie that the Jews of Europe had no right to be there. And not only is saying ‘They’re just like the Nazis’ about anyone who isn’t literally committing genocide a vile affront to everyone who suffered or died at the hands of the actual Nazis, as a rhetorical flourish it carries about as much weight as ‘I know you are but what am I?’
Are we really acting like stormtroopers if we enquire if it’s absolutely necessary for Albanians to relocate to Surrey? At one point last year, four out of ten illegal immigrants rocking up on the beaches of Kent were from a democracy where there has not been a war in 25 years. Are we really behaving like the Waffen SS if we ask when thousands of young men from the Middle East – many raised in cultures where un-shrouded women are regarded as scum – arrive in British cities, what their attitudes to women are? Even disregarding the effects mass immigration has on a host community, what about the harm to the migrants themselves? The English Channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world; dissuading small boats from crossing it is a moral obligation.
The dung heap of filthy lucre which Lineker sits atop of – including the millions of pounds he has pocketed over the past 25 years urging the nation to neck as many units of salt, fat and sugar that we can manage to consume in the shape of Walkers crisps – is a huge one, believed to be £30 million. Think of all the good that money could be doing if he joined the UK branch of Patriotic Millionaires, those adorable moneybags who are currently clamouring to be taxed until the pips squeak. According to analysis from the USA where the idea started it could generate a whopping $2.50 trillion a year if for those with more than $5 million paid tax starting at 2 per cent annually, rising to 3 per cent for those with more than $50 million, and 5 per cent for billionaires. Over here on Nazi Island, such a taxation system is reckoned to be able to raise £43.71 billion a year. Go on, Gaz – do it for England! Though as he’s currently embroiled in a row with HMRC – who claim that he owes them nearly £5 million in back taxes – this seems unlikely.
We all know what this is about, of course – like so many cultural scuffles, it’s about Brexit, which Lineker came out against in the run-up to the 2016 referendum. ‘Personally I believe there are plenty of reasons to remain but barely any to leave. Love Europe, love being part of Europe. #Remain’ he tweeted. Ever since the Great and the Good – incorporating the Smug and the Superior – were defeated by the will of the people, they’ve been displaying all the good grace of Miss Havisham in her decaying wedding dress railing against the horridness of humankind. Lineker, like other footballers past and present, has been taken up by these sore losers as a Good Prole who can be waved in the faces of Bad Proles who felt that not being hog-tied by a bunch of Brussels bureaucrats might be worth taking a punt on.
But telling the proles to play nicely and share the state’s ever-dwindling resources from your cushy billet at the BBC (on a salary of £1.35 million, Lineker is the corporation’s highest-paid employee) was never going to be a good look and now Saint Gaz has been sent for an early bath by his BBC paymasters: ‘The BBC has decided that he will step back from presenting Match of the Day until we’ve got an agreed and clear position on his use of social media. We have never said that Gary should be an opinion-free zone, or that he can’t have a view on issues that matter to him, but we have said that he should keep well away from taking sides on party political issues or political controversies.’ I daresay he’ll have a horrid time sitting around in his £4 million London house. Though it must hurt that he no longer has his villa in Barbados – it was shown in the Paradise Papers leak that he sold the five-bedroomed, marble-bathroomed colonial-style mansion on the Royal Westmoreland Golf and Country Club development via his Goalhanger Inc firm, which was registered in the British Virgin Islands and thus seemed to avoid paying Barbadian stamp duty (Lineker’s representative said there had been ‘no tax irregularity’).
The BBC sending Saint Gaz to the subs bench for a cooling off period has caused a collective temper tantrum amongst his impoverished co-presenters Ian Wright and Alan Shearer who have sworn to boycott Match of the Day. Never mind – maybe the BBC could draft in some actual football fans, people who understand that it doesn’t make one a fascist to believe that endless immigration can sometimes be bad for Britons who don’t live in live in gated communities, don’t have extensive private health cover and whose kiddies don’t attend private schools.
I don’t have any faith in the BBC to have a backbone for more than a fortnight, so I’m sure that Lineker’s more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger smirk will soon be delighting us again. But Saint Gaz really needs to think about whether he wants to grace the BBC with his presence because amongst the licence-fee payers who keep him in the luxury he has become accustomed to will be a lot of people who don’t believe that a permanently open-door immigration policy will make life on this island better, either for the people already here or indeed the migrants themselves. As I write, an Iraqi migrant, Rebaz Mohammed, who arrived here on a small boat, has just been sentenced to six years in prison for stabbing a student because he wanted to be deported back to Iraq – having previously been cautioned for criminal damage and battery and jailed for 12 weeks for racially-aggravated harassment and stalking. Much of the £1.35 million a year Lineker is rewarded comes from BBC licence payers who may think that he should never have been allowed to come here – are they Nazis too? If so, surely Saint Gaz would never want to take blood money from people who are Literally Hitler.
The Spectator, home to Boris Johnson and his muslim women look like letterboxes, black people have watermelon smiles and gay men are tank topped bumboys. Add to that a collection of contributors who regularly spout sexist, racist, homophobic nonsense and pro Tory propaganda.
Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice.
You’re sounding more and more Tiranacal with every post
I think you meant tyrannical. That is such a pathetic statement you just made. Albania is not a country that has ongoing internal wars, their residents are not at risk of losing their lives if they continue living there, so you tell me why they are travelling through several countries to get to the UK by illegal means. Surely even you can work that out. Or maybe not.......
Wow. You see yourself as some master of the mis-truth yet can't even answer a simple yes/no Q. You can't wade into discussions with simplistic Daily Mail quotes and not expect to ex[plain yourself.
Fact is you and your kind would have stopped Mo Farrah coming here, and failing that you would now have him deported. No getting around it, which is why the PM and Braverman are ducking this very question. That grown up enough for you?
Freedom of speech is sacrosanct and should be defended. I have no objections to Lineker criticising Government policy but what I do object to is his comparison with the Nazi movement in Germany pre and during WW2. How he can draw any comparison with mass murder and genocide of the Jewish people to the refusal of illegal entry into the UK by refugees is just so wrong.
Freedom of speech is sacrosanct but it’s not if you don’t like or agree with what is being said? You are not employing your brain when interpreting what Lineker has posted you are following the narrative being pumped into you by the Tory propaganda machine. Some of the stuff they are spouting is disgraceful, they are targeting ignorant fools and stirring up hatred in a desperate attempt to raise their poll ratings, if it looks like it’s working expect more of the same and worse. Lineker has every right as a citizen to air his views, his Twitter does not belong to the BBC and they cannot dictate what he can say or think The BBC have bowed to Government pressure and it will severely damage their reputation
I think you meant tyrannical. That is such a pathetic statement you just made. Albania is not a country that has ongoing internal wars, their residents are not at risk of losing their lives if they continue living there, so you tell me why they are travelling through several countries to get to the UK by illegal means. Surely even you can work that out. Or maybe not.......
Tell us you don’t know much about Albania without telling us you don’t know much about Albania.
I think you meant tyrannical. That is such a pathetic statement you just made. Albania is not a country that has ongoing internal wars, their residents are not at risk of losing their lives if they continue living there, so you tell me why they are travelling through several countries to get to the UK by illegal means. Surely even you can work that out. Or maybe not.......
Maybe some have family here, possibly most haven't. That's why we need a proper system to sort out the legitimacy of asylum claims. If that can be sorted before they leave France, so much the better.
I think you meant tyrannical. That is such a pathetic statement you just made. Albania is not a country that has ongoing internal wars, their residents are not at risk of losing their lives if they continue living there, so you tell me why they are travelling through several countries to get to the UK by illegal means. Surely even you can work that out. Or maybe not.......
I think you meant tyrannical. That is such a pathetic statement you just made. Albania is not a country that has ongoing internal wars, their residents are not at risk of losing their lives if they continue living there, so you tell me why they are travelling through several countries to get to the UK by illegal means. Surely even you can work that out. Or maybe not.......
I know you’re old, army veteran as well? But this is such an outdated backwards view. Some Albanians will have no option but to leave their homeland, some have family here, some yes of course wont be suitable to stay, but a proper system needs implementing.
Not just flipping turn the boats round or deport them to Rwanda. These are living human beings, not cattle, not below you or I.
Argh yes The spectator The bastion of Free Speech Satirical look at current affairs written by Right wing Tory writers who follow the Tory lobbyists Who turn on public figures for polictal points When our Government is discredited.
Even thinking an article from The Spectator could show something worthwhile is a pretty remarkable view. A toxic right-wing mag with a tiny circulation yet which wields much greater influence than it deserves thanks to the likes of Neil and Nelson who can appear on any BBC political problem they wish. Can't remember if The New Statesman had similar influence during the New Labour years, but I'd tend to doubt it.
Glad the Tories are going full on culture war instead of attempting to fix everything they've copulated up over the past dozen years or so. It has worked so well in the US. The Tories will always copy the very worst actions of the Republicans if it gives them a chance to keep milking the system.
The reason the 'small boats' (which are full of living, breathing people, don't forget) are coming across because of the cynical ineptitude of the Tory headbangers which makes it pretty much impossible to claim asylum. All this coming at a time when our aging country desperately needs young workers to come in and look after the baby boomers, staff our hospitals, harvest our food etc etc.
As always, I'll refer to Umberto Eco's common features of fascism:
Even if you're sceptical, try getting your pen out to tick off the behaviours of the Conservative government over the past half a dozen years. Impossible to deny that these features aren't all in play. Given the ineptitude of many of those in government in recent years, I suspect most of them don't really realise what they are doing, but I'm sure that a substantial number of them know what they are doing and are happy with the slide towards fascism.
Even thinking an article from The Spectator could show something worthwhile is a pretty remarkable view. A toxic right-wing mag with a tiny circulation yet which wields much greater influence than it deserves thanks to the likes of Neil and Nelson who can appear on any BBC political problem they wish. Can't remember if The New Statesman had similar influence during the New Labour years, but I'd tend to doubt it.
Glad the Tories are going full on culture war instead of attempting to fix everything they've copulated up over the past dozen years or so. It has worked so well in the US. The Tories will always copy the very worst actions of the Republicans if it gives them a chance to keep milking the system.
The reason the 'small boats' (which are full of living, breathing people, don't forget) are coming across because of the cynical ineptitude of the Tory headbangers which makes it pretty much impossible to claim asylum. All this coming at a time when our aging country desperately needs young workers to come in and look after the baby boomers, staff our hospitals, harvest our food etc etc.
As always, I'll refer to Umberto Eco's common features of fascism:
Even if you're sceptical, try getting your pen out to tick off the behaviours of the Conservative government over the past half a dozen years. Impossible to deny that these features aren't all in play. Given the ineptitude of many of those in government in recent years, I suspect most of them don't really realise what they are doing, but I'm sure that a substantial number of them know what they are doing and are happy with the slide towards fascism.
Do we really need the argument moving on in that way even further away from a football forum . We could debate the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and the moral implications of that when we get to page35
Do we really need the argument moving on in that way even further away from a football forum . We could debate the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and the moral implications of that when we get to page35
Well clearly Maringer (who posted it) thinks so - and that's what freedom of speech is all about, surely?
Freedom of speech is sacrosanct but it’s not if you don’t like or agree with what is being said? You are not employing your brain when interpreting what Lineker has posted you are following the narrative being pumped into you by the Tory propaganda machine. Some of the stuff they are spouting is disgraceful, they are targeting ignorant fools and stirring up hatred in a desperate attempt to raise their poll ratings, if it looks like it’s working expect more of the same and worse. Lineker has every right as a citizen to air his views, his Twitter does not belong to the BBC and they cannot dictate what he can say or think The BBC have bowed to Government pressure and it will severely damage their reputation
In other words if I don't follow or agree with your narrative or views then I am wrong and you are right. Isn't it rather ironic that you believe in freedom of speech ? Of course, providing it follows your views. Obviously, in your eyes, I'm a fool , gullible and can't think for myself and come up with my own opinion.
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Given that presenting Match of the Day is a mundane repetitive task it would seem to present the ideal opportunity to replace Lineker with an AI chatbot. The cliches and cheesy jokes could be pre programmed in and it would be cheap. The chatbot would need it’s moral outrage feature turned off .We could them move on to an AI Shearer chatbot though the scar above the lip may be difficult to replicate
Can someone please explain to me how perfectly legal asylum seekers are supposed to get here? Get on a plane? Maybe a ferry at Calais? Swim? Walk on water?
The only recourse they have to get to these shores is by boat, often very dangerously overloaded and totally inadequate boats at that, often using all the money they have in the world.
They have every right to come here and seek asylum and yet have no safe means of doing so. The government is now about to take away that as well. So although we signed up to international treaties to accept asylum seekers, we are making it impossible for them to do so.
Do we really need the argument moving on in that way even further away from a football forum . We could debate the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and the moral implications of that when we get to page35
You might find it hard to believe, especially on a Saturday, but some things, like hard earned freedoms, are even more important than football.
Back to football (briefly !) . It woukd be so Grimsby Town if our first ever live appearance on match of the day was cancelled by this spat.
Soo Grimsby Town if the only clubs to suffer financially from this spat would be man City (world richest club), Burnley (virtually certain to be in the world's richest league next season), Brighton (current members of the world's richest league)...and us. The others wouldn't even notice. Couldn't make it up.
You might find it hard to believe, especially on a Saturday, but some things, like hard earned freedoms, are even more important than football.
Maybe but it’s a football forum and there are plenty of other places to exercise moral outrage some of them may even be places that might actually achieve something.
Even thinking an article from The Spectator could show something worthwhile is a pretty remarkable view. A toxic right-wing mag with a tiny circulation yet which wields much greater influence than it deserves thanks to the likes of Neil and Nelson who can appear on any BBC political problem they wish. Can't remember if The New Statesman had similar influence during the New Labour years, but I'd tend to doubt it.
Glad the Tories are going full on culture war instead of attempting to fix everything they've copulated up over the past dozen years or so. It has worked so well in the US. The Tories will always copy the very worst actions of the Republicans if it gives them a chance to keep milking the system.
The reason the 'small boats' (which are full of living, breathing people, don't forget) are coming across because of the cynical ineptitude of the Tory headbangers which makes it pretty much impossible to claim asylum. All this coming at a time when our aging country desperately needs young workers to come in and look after the baby boomers, staff our hospitals, harvest our food etc etc.
As always, I'll refer to Umberto Eco's common features of fascism:
Even if you're sceptical, try getting your pen out to tick off the behaviours of the Conservative government over the past half a dozen years. Impossible to deny that these features aren't all in play. Given the ineptitude of many of those in government in recent years, I suspect most of them don't really realise what they are doing, but I'm sure that a substantial number of them know what they are doing and are happy with the slide towards fascism.
No.4 and No.6 seem very true.
And when you fall back into the mud it hurts a lot. No! None of it was true, none of those things we thought we could see existed at all. All that was really there was still more misery
Maybe we are all missing the point here, it's not about what he said it's the fact he said something. Under no duress whatsover he signed a very lucrative contract with the BBC. Part of that contract is the BBC's code of conduct and their rules on impartialality. On many occasions he has been warned of his conduct on social media, and on this occasion he has said he will keep breaking his employers rules and therefore his contract.
If he want's to continue sharing his opinions on social media then I suggest he resigns and goes to Sky or BT.
I know Clarkson doesn't work on the BBC any longer, but he seemed to be allowed to say whatever he pleased back in the day.
Alan Sugar allowed to make nonsensical claims against Corbyn the other year and has been attacking Mick Lynch on twitter recently as well. When is he getting the boot?
Not to mention the fact that one of the board of Directors was head of staff for Theresa May before being parachuted into the BBC. The Chairman donated £400K to the Tories in the past, even before any dodgy dealings with Johnson. The Chief Executive a former Conservative Party candidate (and donor).
If these people not involved in the news or politics side of things at the corporation are allowed to do all this, why should Lineker making a factual comment on his private twitter account be any different It would be interesting to hear the reasoning behind why one of these cases requires suspension and the others don't require even a comment. Anybody willing to give it a try?
Maybe we are all missing the point here, it's not about what he said it's the fact he said something. Under no duress whatsover he signed a very lucrative contract with the BBC. Part of that contract is the BBC's code of conduct and their rules on impartialality. On many occasions he has been warned of his conduct on social media, and on this occasion he has said he will keep breaking his employers rules and therefore his contract.
If he want's to continue sharing his opinions on social media then I suggest he resigns and goes to Sky or BT.
And there are no double standards going on here at all?
He's a left leaning oik from working class roots, so he is censured. Plenty of other BBC employees say what they like with impunity, but are generally favourable to the government.
Can someone please explain to me how perfectly legal asylum seekers are supposed to get here? Get on a plane? Maybe a ferry at Calais? Swim? Walk on water?
The only recourse they have to get to these shores is by boat, often very dangerously overloaded and totally inadequate boats at that, often using all the money they have in the world.
They have every right to come here and seek asylum and yet have no safe means of doing so. The government is now about to take away that as well. So although we signed up to international treaties to accept asylum seekers, we are making it impossible for them to do so.
My thoughts exactly on the Button
Football is and has become part of our social foundation and escape for the working class when we look back at Foreign players Trueman Robeldo would they have had a chance to stay or even play in our so called modern society I doubt it with the reteroric and disgusting Legislation that's evolving from Westminster. Having been Born Abroad my Q is how English are you ?
And there are no double standards going on here at all?
He's a left leaning oik from working class roots, so he is censured. Plenty of other BBC employees say what they like with impunity, but are generally favourable to the government.
Hypocrisy in action.
I totally agree with you, but it's the fact that he is publically unrependant that has forced the BBC's hand
Propaganda must not investigate the truth objectively (…) it must present only that aspect of the truth which is favorable to its own side. (...) The receptive powers of the masses are very restricted (…) On the other hand, they quickly forget. All effective propaganda must be confined to a few bare essentials and those must be expressed as far as possible in stereotyped formulas. These slogans should be persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea that has been put forward.
The above passage could have been lifted directly from the current right wing playbook. The whole Gary Lineker situation and the ‘Culture Wars’ in general seem to distraction to stop people focusing on the numerous messes the current government has made.
This one in particular looks like an own goal as it’s reignited the story about the last but one Prime Minster allegedly needing help from Richard Sharp to borrow money from his own ‘cousin’.
Gary Lineker’s opinion doesn’t really matter and shouldn’t be the main news story.
In other words if I don't follow or agree with your narrative or views then I am wrong and you are right. Isn't it rather ironic that you believe in freedom of speech ? Of course, providing it follows your views. Obviously, in your eyes, I'm a fool , gullible and can't think for myself and come up with my own opinion.
No I was only pointing out the hypocrisy of your “freedom of speech is sacrosanct but…” post, and how you have chosen to interpret what Lineker actually said. Unlike some I am quite happy to be proved wrong when facts are presented to me to undermine my argument
Can someone please explain to me how perfectly legal asylum seekers are supposed to get here? Get on a plane? Maybe a ferry at Calais? Swim? Walk on water?
The only recourse they have to get to these shores is by boat, often very dangerously overloaded and totally inadequate boats at that, often using all the money they have in the world.
They have every right to come here and seek asylum and yet have no safe means of doing so. The government is now about to take away that as well. So although we signed up to international treaties to accept asylum seekers, we are making it impossible for them to do so.
Ask all the hundreds of thousands of legal, legitimate asylum seekers who settled here. Does every person seeking asylum have the right to travel thousands of miles, passing through perfectly safe European and EU countries and then qualify to settle here? Why seek asylum in the UK and not France, Italy, Greece or any other non-conflict democratic country en route? If we bordered a war torn or despotic ruled, ideological based country then I would welcome them but we don't. Do you advocate a completely open-door policy to all asylum seekers regardless of numbers? What is your personal view on immigration into the UK? It would be interesting and informative to hear your answer to these questions.
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Not surprisingly the usual leftist idiots come out the woodwork on the side of that jug eared cretin lineker. Dear Gary, you've got a massive mansion with plenty of room, why don't you house all these poor asylum seekers (who all seem to be fighting aged males from non war torn countries btw) in your house? Also, the first job of any government is to protect its citizens and secure its borders. Didn't see these luvvies protesting during the world cup which was in a country where people get beheaded and women stoned to death on a daily basis, where was the outrage Gary? All the people supporting him like shearer,wright etc are just cowards who tow the leftist line for fear of being excluded from the BBC gravy train. In a way it's kind of ironic how the ultra left wing BBC has been shafted by the very luvvies they employ and fawn over.
Ask all the hundreds of thousands of legal, legitimate asylum seekers who settled here. Does every person seeking asylum have the right to travel thousands of miles, passing through perfectly safe European and EU countries and then qualify to settle here? Why seek asylum in the UK and not France, Italy, Greece or any other non-conflict democratic country en route? If we bordered a war torn or despotic ruled, ideological based country then I would welcome them but we don't. Do you advocate a completely open-door policy to all asylum seekers regardless of numbers? What is your personal view on immigration into the UK? It would be interesting and informative to hear your answer to these questions.
Well, that's you labelled as a fully paid up member of the waffen SS with such common sense comments, how dare you point out the inconvenient truth.
Well, that's just so stylish of him, hopefully one will revert back to type and chop his stupid head off. Or throw him overboard when he can't recite the Qur'an and they realise he's an infidel. Either way is fine.
Because there is absolutely no obligation to claim asylum in the first state you reach. If you've got family in the UK, speak English or even simply know that there is a decently-sized Albanian community over here, it is perfectly reasonable to want to move here. We need young immigrants to come to the UK. Let's be reasonable people and provide a safe and proper way for them to attempt to claim asylum.
Here's a link to the convention that we played a major part in writing back in the days when our politicians had a bit of compassion and intelligence:
It's a bit ridiculous the way that the Tories are behaving now. Yesterday, we heard that Sunak has agreed to bung a lot of money to the French to step up efforts to stop these dangerous crossings, which is a sensible and good policy. Reduces number of unwanted asylum seekers (for now) and reduces the risks of them losing their lives. However, rather than putting money into the asylum system to clear the backlogs and resolve some of the problems of asylum seekers being housed in expensive hotels or disgraceful camps, they've instead decided to go full culture war for their own electoral benefit. Doing half the job deliberately and intercourse the immigrants who are just reduced to a wedge issue. Awful behaviour from these politicians.
Regardless of whether you agree with Gary (I do FWIW) with the postponement of the radio coverage and disruption to the schedule the BBC have failed in their mandate as a public service broadcaster. Their weak people management and inconsistent governance has meant they can’t provide the free to air schedule they’ve committed too.
The BBC does loads of good stuff but at the most senior level it’s still a Masonic style boys club for those who went to the right school, university and have the right friends.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Not surprisingly the usual leftist idiots come out the woodwork on the side of that jug eared cretin lineker. Dear Gary, you've got a massive mansion with plenty of room, why don't you house all these poor asylum seekers (who all seem to be fighting aged males from non war torn countries btw) in your house? Also, the first job of any government is to protect its citizens and secure its borders. Didn't see these luvvies protesting during the world cup which was in a country where people get beheaded and women stoned to death on a daily basis, where was the outrage Gary? All the people supporting him like shearer,wright etc are just cowards who tow the leftist line for fear of being excluded from the BBC gravy train. In a way it's kind of ironic how the ultra left wing BBC has been shafted by the very luvvies they employ and fawn over.
Nasty little post, also full of incoherent right wing “ england for englanders” nonsense.
Oh btw, he houses asylum seekers and he housed Ukranians.
Well, that's just so stylish of him, hopefully one will revert back to type and chop his stupid head off. Or throw him overboard when he can't recite the Qur'an and they realise he's an infidel. Either way is fine.
What about if it was a persecuted christian from an islamic country or an orthodox Ukrainian? Are they allowed in or are you selective over who is or isn’t worthy of asylum?
Because there is absolutely no obligation to claim asylum in the first state you reach. If you've got family in the UK, speak English or even simply know that there is a decently-sized Albanian community over here, it is perfectly reasonable to want to move here. We need young immigrants to come to the UK. Let's be reasonable people and provide a safe and proper way for them to attempt to claim asylum.
Here's a link to the convention that we played a major part in writing back in the days when our politicians had a bit of compassion and intelligence:
It's a bit ridiculous the way that the Tories are behaving now. Yesterday, we heard that Sunak has agreed to bung a lot of money to the French to step up efforts to stop these dangerous crossings, which is a sensible and good policy. Reduces number of unwanted asylum seekers (for now) and reduces the risks of them losing their lives. However, rather than putting money into the asylum system to clear the backlogs and resolve some of the problems of asylum seekers being housed in expensive hotels or disgraceful camps, they've instead decided to go full culture war for their own electoral benefit. Doing half the job deliberately and intercourse the immigrants who are just reduced to a wedge issue. Awful behaviour from these politicians.
So , in other words, no limit whatsoever in how many people can claim asylum and settle in the UK?
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What about if it was a persecuted christian from an islamic country or an orthodox Ukrainian? Are they allowed in or are you selective over who is or isn’t worthy of asylum?
We are full, try getting a dentist appointment or an ambulance, they pass through many countries to get here that are safe, I don't care about them, I care more for our old people who are scared to put the heating on,or the single mother with nothing to feed her kids, let's look after our own first. People criticise Russia and Hungary etc, I bet you can get a doctor's appointment there.
What about if it was a persecuted christian from an islamic country or an orthodox Ukrainian? Are they allowed in or are you selective over who is or isn’t worthy of asylum?
So what time are we clapping, standing up or singing a Gary Lineker song as it’s all anyone is bothered about on here. Oh you can boo as well, just so we can identify both sides. It might be quite entertaining to watch during this afternoons game. Remember, town are actually playing today.
We are full, try getting a dentist appointment or an ambulance, they pass through many countries to get here that are safe, I don't care about them, I care more for our old people who are scared to put the heating on,or the single mother with nothing to feed her kids, let's look after our own first. People criticise Russia and Hungary etc, I bet you can get a doctor's appointment there.
The lack of dentist appointments and NHS backlogs has very little to do with immigrants. It’s years of underinvestment and training our own people. Rather than investing in training we’ve relied on attracting doctors and dentists trained overseas, many of whom are now going to the Middle East for more money.
We also have an aging population and there are 3 million more over 65’s than we had 25 years ago. This is going to increase over the next few years. Statistically this group is one of the biggest users of public services and investment in the services hasn’t kept up with demand.
Great decision to get rid of him, and all the others going is a bonus. Let’s reclaim football without these opinionated overpaid has beens. Ali Mcoist should step in
We are full, try getting a dentist appointment or an ambulance, they pass through many countries to get here that are safe, I don't care about them, I care more for our old people who are scared to put the heating on,or the single mother with nothing to feed her kids, let's look after our own first. People criticise Russia and Hungary etc, I bet you can get a doctor's appointment there.
I mean we’re not full and do you not see the irony in the fact we’re literally having to go to other countries to recruit for key professions in this country…you are aware the reason you can’t get a dentist, doctor and then there’s lack of teachers and social workers is nothing to do with migration and actually is a recruitment problem….
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Not surprisingly the usual leftist idiots come out the woodwork on the side of that jug eared cretin lineker. Dear Gary, you've got a massive mansion with plenty of room, why don't you house all these poor asylum seekers (who all seem to be fighting aged males from non war torn countries btw) in your house? Also, the first job of any government is to protect its citizens and secure its borders. Didn't see these luvvies protesting during the world cup which was in a country where people get beheaded and women stoned to death on a daily basis, where was the outrage Gary? All the people supporting him like shearer,wright etc are just cowards who tow the leftist line for fear of being excluded from the BBC gravy train. In a way it's kind of ironic how the ultra left wing BBC has been shafted by the very luvvies they employ and fawn over.
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Not surprisingly the usual leftist idiots come out the woodwork on the side of that jug eared cretin lineker. Dear Gary, you've got a massive mansion with plenty of room, why don't you house all these poor asylum seekers (who all seem to be fighting aged males from non war torn countries btw) in your house? Also, the first job of any government is to protect its citizens and secure its borders. Didn't see these luvvies protesting during the world cup which was in a country where people get beheaded and women stoned to death on a daily basis, where was the outrage Gary? All the people supporting him like shearer,wright etc are just cowards who tow the leftist line for fear of being excluded from the BBC gravy train. In a way it's kind of ironic how the ultra left wing BBC has been shafted by the very luvvies they employ and fawn over.
If the country had the likes of you on the beaches in Dover then clearly the world would be a different place.
BTW despite what the government tell you the reason we can’t access basic services is that our feudal overlords in the Tory party who all went to the same school and uni’s have failed once again to provide proper inward investment not because of immigration.
Your ilk should just stick to trading your HE Marshall books and curb your insatiable desire to take us back to how it was.
Anyone who needs to understand this governments agenda and motives just needs to read a great book by Otto Smith called Fake History, you’ll get why the Tories are like they are - control, money, greed, etc.. etc… all the stuff they’ve driven for decades so they can keep what their self serving sense of entitlement tells them is rightfully theirs.
What’s the saying? “When I’m king you’ll be first against the wall” f**k me if I was it would be a bloody busy wall for sure as there is a long queue of Tories who need lining up.
Remember the week before Christmas when Sunak asked a homeless person “have you got any plans for the weekend”? As he served him breakfast in a refuge, completely f*****g divorced from reality.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Not surprisingly the usual leftist idiots come out the woodwork on the side of that jug eared cretin lineker. Dear Gary, you've got a massive mansion with plenty of room, why don't you house all these poor asylum seekers (who all seem to be fighting aged males from non war torn countries btw) in your house? Also, the first job of any government is to protect its citizens and secure its borders. Didn't see these luvvies protesting during the world cup which was in a country where people get beheaded and women stoned to death on a daily basis, where was the outrage Gary? All the people supporting him like shearer,wright etc are just cowards who tow the leftist line for fear of being excluded from the BBC gravy train. In a way it's kind of ironic how the ultra left wing BBC has been shafted by the very luvvies they employ and fawn over.
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I'm thinking this issue has annoyed you?
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
Great decision to get rid of him, and all the others going is a bonus. Let’s reclaim football without these opinionated overpaid has beens. Ali Mcoist should step in
Reclaim football??? Hahahaha......
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
We are full, try getting a dentist appointment or an ambulance, they pass through many countries to get here that are safe, I don't care about them, I care more for our old people who are scared to put the heating on,or the single mother with nothing to feed her kids, let's look after our own first. People criticise Russia and Hungary etc, I bet you can get a doctor's appointment there.
Phil, what, in your view, constitutes full? You do know that only 8.7% of all the land in the UK has actually been built on (contains house, shops, buildings etc). That leaves 91.1% undeveloped land, over half of which, since this is the delightfully unequal UK, owned by less than 1% of the population. So actually, there's loads of space, it's not full, it's just that we still effectively live in mediaeval times.
Those old people you're worried about need young immigrants to come in and help run hospitals, care homes etc, because British people don't really want to do those jobs and, we do not have enough young people to do all of those menial jobs. Also, those immigrants you don't seem to like, because they are young, do not use their local doctors and hospitals and other state-provided amenities, even though they pay for them with their taxes. In fact, they are a net benefit to our country. So I'm assuming your objection is simply because you don't like foreigners?
Great decision to get rid of him, and all the others going is a bonus. Let’s reclaim football without these opinionated overpaid has beens. Ali Mcoist should step in
Wow. You see yourself as some master of the mis-truth yet can't even answer a simple yes/no Q. You can't wade into discussions with simplistic Daily Mail quotes and not expect to ex[plain yourself.
Fact is you and your kind would have stopped Mo Farrah coming here, and failing that you would now have him deported. No getting around it, which is why the PM and Braverman are ducking this very question. That grown up enough for you?
Did you actually read and UNDERSTAND my post? All I said was something along the lines of Albanians are not under threat in their own country. The fact that there is a quite a few of them here, as someone said, does not mean we need to keep letting more of them in, it's bad enough that we have immigrants from other countries entering this country illegally evey day.
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Did you actually read and UNDERSTAND my post? All I said was something along the lines of Albanians are not under threat in their own country. The fact that there is a quite a few of them here, as someone said, does not mean we need to keep letting more of them in, it's bad enough that we have immigrants from other countries entering this country illegally evey day.
And once again for the hard of thinking.......claiming asylum on arrival in any country is not illegal immigration. It is 100% legal.
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Great decision to get rid of him, and all the others going is a bonus. Let’s reclaim football without these opinionated overpaid has beens. Ali Mcoist should step in
Not surprisingly the usual leftist idiots come out the woodwork on the side of that jug eared cretin lineker. Dear Gary, you've got a massive mansion with plenty of room, why don't you house all these poor asylum seekers (who all seem to be fighting aged males from non war torn countries btw) in your house? Also, the first job of any government is to protect its citizens and secure its borders. Didn't see these luvvies protesting during the world cup which was in a country where people get beheaded and women stoned to death on a daily basis, where was the outrage Gary? All the people supporting him like shearer,wright etc are just cowards who tow the leftist line for fear of being excluded from the BBC gravy train. In a way it's kind of ironic how the ultra left wing BBC has been shafted by the very luvvies they employ and fawn over.
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The irony of your post! Insults is about all you’ve got, as a kind of a cherry on the t*rd cake of the utter bilge you’ve just spouted.
You and ‘realist’ and ‘Phil the cod’ and ‘Grimpol’ - not a lucid, even handed, informed argument to be seen anywhere.
And once again for the hard of thinking.......claiming asylum on arrival in any country is not illegal immigration. It is 100% legal.
In 2022, about 13,000 Albanians arrived in the UK by boat, about one-third of the total number of migrants to the country during that period. Along with the future immigration law, the government also announced an agreement with Albania whereby London recognizes its status as a “safe country,” a status that will facilitate deportations of migrants from British territory.
So what is needed in relation to Albania is a proper system for assessing arrivals and their status as genuine asylum seekers, and if they’re not, then a returns agreement would see us send them back. None of that exists. They’ve had years and years and their incompetence has made this crisis. Like everything they’ve set fire to in this country. Take responsibility and fix it.
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In 2022, about 13,000 Albanians arrived in the UK by boat, about one-third of the total number of migrants to the country during that period. Along with the future immigration law, the government also announced an agreement with Albania whereby London recognizes its status as a “safe country,” a status that will facilitate deportations of migrants from British territory.
That may well be true but applying for asylum on arrival in any country does not make you an illegal immigrant.
According to British government data, around 75% of people arriving in the UK and claiming asylum have their claim upheld and are given leave to stay in the UK.
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And once again for the hard of thinking.......claiming asylum on arrival in any country is not illegal immigration. It is 100% legal.
But entering the country by non legal means is indeed illegal, Albanians are entitled to use legal means but choose to enter illegally via people traffickers. There can only be one reason these 90% young men choose to enter illegally and that is to partake in illegal activities, the albanians are now controlling the drugs and most other organised crime in the UK and that is an uncomfortable fact for Lineker and his ilk to swallow, further more, his insinuation that anyone dissagreeing with him is a Nazi is frankly ridiculous and in itself an insult to millions of hard working people of all ethnicities and backgrounds who live and work in this country and have their own opinion which differs from his.
All the people supporting him like shearer,wright etc are just cowards who tow the leftist line for fear of being excluded from the BBC gravy train.
Did you miss the bit were they all stepped out in support of their colleague?
You certainly missed the bit where the whole point of this is that the BBC gravy train has Tory written down the side of it. Lineker was literally sacked for criticising the Conservative party.
That may well be true but applying for asylum on arrival in any country does not make you an illegal immigrant.
According to British government data, around 75% of people arriving in the UK and claiming asylum have their claim upheld and are given leave to stay in the UK.
It does if you enter the country illegally on a boat or a lorry provided by traffickers' for large sums of money.
And once again for the hard of thinking.......claiming asylum on arrival in any country is not illegal immigration. It is 100% legal.
That’s not entirely the point of the questionable new law though is it? The trafficking of the “asylum” seekers is indeed 100% illegal across many countries and exceptionally dangerous. Deadly even. And all to profit illegal organisations. I think the UK are more than prepared to offer asylum to anybody who genuinely needs it, but as several countries are now involved and have agreed, that trafficking needs to stop. This questionable law is designed to let those who decide to use illegal means of entry that they won’t be allowed to stay regardless because of the means of entry.
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But entering the country by non legal means is indeed illegal, Albanians are entitled to use legal means but choose to enter illegally via people traffickers. There can only be one reason these 90% young men choose to enter illegally and that is to partake in illegal activities, the albanians are now controlling the drugs and most other organised crime in the UK and that is an uncomfortable fact for Lineker and his ilk to swallow, further more, his insinuation that anyone dissagreeing with him is a Nazi is frankly ridiculous and in itself an insult to millions of hard working people of all ethnicities and backgrounds who live and work in this country and have their own opinion which differs from his.
Almost every line of that is cobblers. Arriving in a country by any means when seeking asylum is not illegal. You’d have to assess them first to see if they were genuine asylum seekers. There are no legal routes for Albanians or indeed anyone else. There is a massive backlog.
Please show us your evidence that Albanians ‘now control drug supply and organised crime in the UK’.
He doesn’t ‘insinuate that anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi’. What a ludicrous falsehood to peddle. He doesn’t even use the word.
But entering the country by non legal means is indeed illegal, Albanians are entitled to use legal means but choose to enter illegally via people traffickers. There can only be one reason these 90% young men choose to enter illegally and that is to partake in illegal activities, the albanians are now controlling the drugs and most other organised crime in the UK and that is an uncomfortable fact for Lineker and his ilk to swallow, further more, his insinuation that anyone dissagreeing with him is a Nazi is frankly ridiculous and in itself an insult to millions of hard working people of all ethnicities and backgrounds who live and work in this country and have their own opinion which differs from his.
No. Asylum is asylum. It is a way to ask for protection in a country for those escaping war or persecution. In most cases asylum applications will be applied for after arriving 'illegally' because leaving a country where you are (for example) persecuted is in and of itself an illegal act. It is then up to the receiving country to assess the veracity of the asylum claim.
Arriving by a small boat in Dover (or wherever) and applying for asylum is not illegal.
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Funny how we are all as ‘one’ in our love for GTFC, but mention immigration and we are all at each other’s throats.
There are some very humane people on here who are well informed, but some of the right wing views are nasty and vicious. We’re talking about human beings here, folks.
Dividing us like this is exactly what the Tories and the likes of Suella Braverman want. They look upon constituencies such as Grimsby as ‘red wall’, so they have thrown you a piece of red meat. If you think that the Tories are going to level up and make everything hunky-dory have another think. They are only interested in lining their own pockets. Just look at the untreated sewage going into our rivers and beaches, so the shareholders can have their dividends and managament can have their bonuses.
No. Asylum is asylum. It is a way to ask for protection in a country for those escaping war or persecution. In most cases asylum applications will be applied for after arriving 'illegally' because leaving a country where you are (for example) persecuted is in and of itself an illegal act. It is then up to the receiving country to assess the veracity of the asylum claim.
Arriving by a small boat in Dover (or wherever) and applying for asylum is not illegal.
Erm.......they are not leaving because they are being persecuted, they are leaving France for felicitations sake.
Almost every line of that is cobblers. Arriving in a country by any means when seeking asylum is not illegal. You’d have to assess them first to see if they were genuine asylum seekers. There are no legal routes for Albanians or indeed anyone else. There is a massive backlog.
Please show us your evidence that Albanians ‘now control drug supply and organised crime in the UK’.
He doesn’t ‘insinuate that anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi’. What a ludicrous falsehood to peddle. He doesn’t even use the word.
Almost every line of that is cobblers. Arriving in a country by any means when seeking asylum is not illegal. You’d have to assess them first to see if they were genuine asylum seekers. There are no legal routes for Albanians or indeed anyone else. There is a massive backlog.
Please show us your evidence that Albanians ‘now control drug supply and organised crime in the UK’.
He doesn’t ‘insinuate that anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi’. What a ludicrous falsehood to peddle. He doesn’t even use the word.
Why don't Albanians apply to settle in the UK by legal means from Albania? I'm not being controversial just wondered why the don't use the legitimate route. My ex in-laws applied and moved to the USA through the US Embassy and my best friends son applied and was successful in settling in Australia.
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Why don't Albanians apply to settle in the UK by legal means from Albania? I'm not being controversial just wondered why the don't use the legitimate route. My ex in-laws applied and moved to the USA through the US Embassy and my best friends son applied and was successful in settling in Australia.
…because it’s virtually impossible to do so by legal means.
One problem with the “ so called “ illegal immigrants is that it makes the que even longer for those that are try to get here through legitimate means, hence so many having to be put into hotels etc.
The idiocy of the current system is well known. Here's Braverman and her staff unable to tell a committee how a refugee could legally claim asylum at present:
That was just a handful of months ago. Theresa May started the 'hostile environment' nonsense to promote her career (didn't work out very well in the longer term, did it?) and we've still got inept Home Secretary's pursuing the same tack in spite of years of failure. Utterly useless.
One problem with the “ so called “ illegal immigrants is that it makes the que even longer for those that are try to get here through legitimate means, hence so many having to be put into hotels etc.
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Well, that's just so stylish of him, hopefully one will revert back to type and chop his stupid head off. Or throw him overboard when he can't recite the Qur'an and they realise he's an infidel. Either way is fine.
We are full, try getting a dentist appointment or an ambulance, they pass through many countries to get here that are safe, I don't care about them, I care more for our old people who are scared to put the heating on,or the single mother with nothing to feed her kids, let's look after our own first. People criticise Russia and Hungary etc, I bet you can get a doctor's appointment there.
That has intercourse all to do with people coming into the country in small boats. It's because the government cannot run the country and are telling you it's the fault of migrants.
We are full, try getting a dentist appointment or an ambulance, they pass through many countries to get here that are safe, I don't care about them, I care more for our old people who are scared to put the heating on,or the single mother with nothing to feed her kids, let's look after our own first. People criticise Russia and Hungary etc, I bet you can get a doctor's appointment there.
Nothing to do with migrants. In fact a particularly high percentage of the dental work force in Lincolnshire are trained abroad in comparison to the rest of the UK. So without them, you’d have even less chance of seeing one.
That has intercourse all to do with people coming into the country in small boats. It's because the government cannot run the country and are telling you it's the fault of migrants.
If the country UK is run so badly, the government unable to function in even an acceptable manner, and we are on our knees and out for the count, why are so many from several different countries, spending obscene travel fees and literally risking their very lives to come specifically to this group of countries? Instead of other countries or staying where they are?
Not a personal dig at you headingly btw. Just a reflection on your post.
I was there, the day Bradley Wood scored a 35 yarder!
From the black and white striped shirts To the fish in the sea You'll hear us singing Coz we are Grimsby.
You won't hear us crying But you'll hear us shout Coz we are the Grimsby And this is our chant.......... Grimsby! Grimsby! Grimsby!
The fact that anybody thinks a shortage of dentists, ambulances, doctors etc is anything to do with the number of immigrants is one of the most laughable things I've read for some while. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
24 hours 21 pages and ye still at it ffs Move the thread or give it a fukin rest
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The idiocy of the current system is well known. Here's Braverman and her staff unable to tell a committee how a refugee could legally claim asylum at present:
That was just a handful of months ago. Theresa May started the 'hostile environment' nonsense to promote her career (didn't work out very well in the longer term, did it?) and we've still got inept Home Secretary's pursuing the same tack in spite of years of failure. Utterly useless.
Beat me to it Maringer. I was going to post that video showing cretins being cretinous.
The facts are that we signed an international treaty to accept asylum seekers and yet there is no way most of them can get here by legal means. It's a catch 22 which the government have created and show no signs of putting right.
Applying for asylum is just that. Just because they have applied, doesn't mean they will be accepted. That is what the asylum process is supposed to do: weed out the undesirables and send them back from whence they came.
We are nowhere near the top of the list of countries that people seek asylum in, yet some would have us believe we are being overrun. We are behind Germany, France, Spain and Austria on the list.
I really hope that none of you ever have the need to flee the country and seek asylum elsewhere.
I think in the main part because they're refugees or asylum seekers and they'd like to settle in Britain, sometimes because they have family here or they speak English.
Immigration is a side issue brought into focus by the Tories because they can't win an argument on their record. It's scandalous that they've allowed the processing of asylum claims to be so inadequate that refugees and asylum seekers are kept in hotels at great cost to the taxpayer. This is not their fault.
The massive issues in Britain now that the Tories want to deflect from are the cost of living, the NHS crisis, inflation and the damage of brexit. Living standards are dropping and it's nothing to do with people in small boats.
Gary Lineker is absolutely right that the language of the government is reminiscent of that used in 1930's Germany. It has emboldened Far Right morons to demonstrate outside hotels where refugees are staying and even attack these places.
If the bombs started raining on Britain would you stay here with your family and kids? I'd be getting them out of the country as quick as I could and probably not be settling in the closest neighbouring country.
The irony of your post! Insults is about all you’ve got, as a kind of a cherry on the t*rd cake of the utter bilge you’ve just spouted.
You and ‘realist’ and ‘Phil the cod’ and ‘Grimpol’ - not a lucid, even handed, informed argument to be seen anywhere.
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I think you will find my that the above paragraph is a cut n paste and Certainly not my thoughts mate
I have no connection with Realist Phil the cod or Grimpol thank you I may have centre left Views But I take offence at certain words spouted in my Direction get it
The irony of your post! Insults is about all you’ve got, as a kind of a cherry on the t*rd cake of the utter bilge you’ve just spouted.
You and ‘realist’ and ‘Phil the cod’ and ‘Grimpol’ - not a lucid, even handed, informed argument to be seen anywhere.
Chaous 33
I think you will find my that the above paragraph is a cut n paste and Certainly not my thoughts mate
I have no connection with Realist Phil the cod or Grimpol thank you I may have centre left Views But I take offence at certain words spouted in my Direction get it
Think chaos got his wires crossed somewhere. Your views and his generally align.
I'm actually condemning Phil the Cods comments not agreeing with them. Through our government total lack of empathy and incompetence the UK IS becoming a cauldron of hate
I think in the main part because they're refugees or asylum seekers and they'd like to settle in Britain, sometimes because they have family here or they speak English.
Immigration is a side issue brought into focus by the Tories because they can't win an argument on their record. It's scandalous that they've allowed the processing of asylum claims to be so inadequate that refugees and asylum seekers are kept in hotels at great cost to the taxpayer. This is not their fault.
The massive issues in Britain now that the Tories want to deflect from are the cost of living, the NHS crisis, inflation and the damage of brexit. Living standards are dropping and it's nothing to do with people in small boats.
Gary Lineker is absolutely right that the language of the government is reminiscent of that used in 1930's Germany. It has emboldened Far Right morons to demonstrate outside hotels where refugees are staying and even attack these places.
If the bombs started raining on Britain would you stay here with your family and kids? I'd be getting them out of the country as quick as I could and probably not be settling in the closest neighbouring country.
It really must be Hell on Earth living in Tirana with bombs, missiles and suicide drones raining down on a daily basis. It's also very brave of all those Albanian males making the perilous journey across Europe to France and then paying huge amounts of money for the dangerous Channel crossing. Certainly very worrying doing that while their loved ones, family and children are still suffering under the constant danger of living in such a dangerous environment. As a point of interest are there any figures available for what percentage of these Channel boat asylum seekers are escaping the horrors of living in Ukraine?
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It really must be Hell on Earth living in Tirana with bombs, missiles and suicide drones raining down on a daily basis. It's also very brave of all those Albanian males making the perilous journey across Europe to France and then paying huge amounts of money for the dangerous Channel crossing. Certainly very worrying doing that while their loved ones, family and children are still suffering under the constant danger of living in such a dangerous environment. As a point of interest are there any figures available for what percentage of these Channel boat asylum seekers are escaping the horrors of living in Ukraine?
So no small boats migrants are fleeing war? And there are no Ukrainians because there are safe and legal routes available to Ukrainian refugees.
It really must be Hell on Earth living in Tirana with bombs, missiles and suicide drones raining down on a daily basis. It's also very brave of all those Albanian males making the perilous journey across Europe to France and then paying huge amounts of money for the dangerous Channel crossing. Certainly very worrying doing that while their loved ones, family and children are still suffering under the constant danger of living in such a dangerous environment. As a point of interest are there any figures available for what percentage of these Channel boat asylum seekers are escaping the horrors of living in Ukraine?
There are figures available for everything on this thing called the world wide web. Go and educate yourself, but make sure it's an independent site and not one that supports the lying fookers in government.
There are 300,000 vacancies in the NHS and Social Care, and those feckers that call themselves a government direct all attention onto hundreds arriving on small boats.
There are 300,000 vacancies in the NHS and Social Care, and those feckers that call themselves a government direct all attention onto hundreds arriving on small boats.
So, on that logic the 40,000 that arrived last year will all get jobs in the NHS? Hey, problem solved yey!. Again, that's 40,000 not hundreds as you state. Maybe if we made it attractive to work in the NHS we wouldn't need to recruit from abroad.
So, on that logic the 40,000 that arrived last year will all get jobs in the NHS? Hey, problem solved yey!. Again, that's 40,000 not hundreds as you state. Maybe if we made it attractive to work in the NHS we wouldn't need to recruit from abroad.
Are you a troll or do you just miss the point because these things elude you?
How many poor English people could find £5K - £10K to pay for a boat to cross the channel. Maybe the illegal immigrants have accounts with the Bank of Iran or Barclay Card de Taliban.
How many poor English people could find £5K - £10K to pay for a boat to cross the channel. Maybe the illegal immigrants have accounts with the Bank of Iran or Barclay Card de Taliban.
Can you all hang on for ten minutes, I've got to nip out for more popcorn.
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This thread is a very clear symptom of the single largest issue that is tearing this country apart.
Impoverished people arriving across the channel in small boats does not threaten this country in anything like the way it has been presented by the media. But that threat is an important tool in managing the discussion and keeping the focus away from the real threat.
The real threat is billionaires and multi millionaires who want to continue making vast sums of money with little or no regulation, who avoid paying tax through their non dom status and ride on the backs of the rest of us. Almost all of the right wing media outlets who peddle the immigration threat stories are owned by billionaires who do not pay tax in the UK. All of these media outlets tell us what it means to be British and what un British looks like and it's no surprise that a significant part of that message is accept the authority of the 'establishment' and don't question what 'we' tell you. Hate foreigners and the EU but don't look at us.
The Conservative party are the vehicle for this in parliament. There should be no surprise that these non dom billionaires went to the same schools and universities as the government and pour money into the Conservative party as this is how they keep the status quo, which works to their advantage. Placing known Conservative supporters in high positions in the BBC is a further act of managing the conversation because the BBC was, up until fairly recently, a bastion of fair reporting and was prepared to question the government. The Lineker affair shows that that is now consigned to history and the BBC must also bow to the billionaire class.
As an aside, Brexit was never about control or the tyranny of the EU. That was the story we were fed. Brexit was always about the change in EU law to non dom tax status and the billionaire class could not tolerate that change. Our country is in it's current state to protect the wealth of the wealthiest in 'our' society.
Moreover, the current government's craven rule flouting, corruption and profiteering comes from a profound sense that they are on the side of the truly powerful and they can do pretty much whatever they want (and an 80+ majority is also very helpful). They are let down by greedy idiots like Mone and Johnson who have no subtly about it and the fact that the old boy network throws up some seriously untalented individuals who get into power because of that network.
The 'little people' arguing amongst themselves about immigration, Brexit and shortages of tomatoes is exactly waht these people want. While we are doing that we can't be looking closely at what the Billionaire class and their enablers are doing.
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This thread is a very clear symptom of the single largest issue that is tearing this country apart.
Impoverished people arriving across the channel in small boats does not threaten this country in anything like the way it has been presented by the media. But that threat is an important tool in managing the discussion and keeping the focus away from the real threat.
The real threat is billionaires and multi millionaires who want to continue making vast sums of money with little or no regulation, who avoid paying tax through their non dom status and ride on the backs of the rest of us. Almost all of the right wing media outlets who peddle the immigration threat stories are owned by billionaires who do not pay tax in the UK. All of these media outlets tell us what it means to be British and what un British looks like and it's no surprise that a significant part of that message is accept the authority of the 'establishment' and don't question what 'we' tell you. Hate foreigners and the EU but don't look at us.
The Conservative party are the vehicle for this in parliament. There should be no surprise that these non dom billionaires went to the same schools and universities as the government and pour money into the Conservative party as this is how they keep the status quo, which works to their advantage. Placing known Conservative supporters in high positions in the BBC is a further act of managing the conversation because the BBC was, up until fairly recently, a bastion of fair reporting and was prepared to question the government. The Lineker affair shows that that is now consigned to history and the BBC must also bow to the billionaire class.
As an aside, Brexit was never about control or the tyranny of the EU. That was the story we were fed. Brexit was always about the change in EU law to non dom tax status and the billionaire class could not tolerate that change. Our country is in it's current state to protect the wealth of the wealthiest in 'our' society.
Moreover, the current government's craven rule flouting, corruption and profiteering comes from a profound sense that they are on the side of the truly powerful and they can do pretty much whatever they want (and an 80+ majority is also very helpful). They are let down by greedy idiots like Mone and Johnson who have no subtly about it and the fact that the old boy network throws up some seriously untalented individuals who get into power because of that network.
The 'little people' arguing amongst themselves about immigration, Brexit and shortages of tomatoes is exactly waht these people want. While we are doing that we can't be looking closely at what the Billionaire class and their enablers are doing.
This thread is a very clear symptom of the single largest issue that is tearing this country apart.
Impoverished people arriving across the channel in small boats does not threaten this country in anything like the way it has been presented by the media. But that threat is an important tool in managing the discussion and keeping the focus away from the real threat.
The real threat is billionaires and multi millionaires who want to continue making vast sums of money with little or no regulation, who avoid paying tax through their non dom status and ride on the backs of the rest of us. Almost all of the right wing media outlets who peddle the immigration threat stories are owned by billionaires who do not pay tax in the UK. All of these media outlets tell us what it means to be British and what un British looks like and it's no surprise that a significant part of that message is accept the authority of the 'establishment' and don't question what 'we' tell you. Hate foreigners and the EU but don't look at us.
The Conservative party are the vehicle for this in parliament. There should be no surprise that these non dom billionaires went to the same schools and universities as the government and pour money into the Conservative party as this is how they keep the status quo, which works to their advantage. Placing known Conservative supporters in high positions in the BBC is a further act of managing the conversation because the BBC was, up until fairly recently, a bastion of fair reporting and was prepared to question the government. The Lineker affair shows that that is now consigned to history and the BBC must also bow to the billionaire class.
As an aside, Brexit was never about control or the tyranny of the EU. That was the story we were fed. Brexit was always about the change in EU law to non dom tax status and the billionaire class could not tolerate that change. Our country is in it's current state to protect the wealth of the wealthiest in 'our' society.
Moreover, the current government's craven rule flouting, corruption and profiteering comes from a profound sense that they are on the side of the truly powerful and they can do pretty much whatever they want (and an 80+ majority is also very helpful). They are let down by greedy idiots like Mone and Johnson who have no subtly about it and the fact that the old boy network throws up some seriously untalented individuals who get into power because of that network.
The 'little people' arguing amongst themselves about immigration, Brexit and shortages of tomatoes is exactly waht these people want. While we are doing that we can't be looking closely at what the Billionaire class and their enablers are doing.
I’d say anyone scared of a few folk coming over on a dinghy probably needs to have a word with themselves in the mirror…meanwhile, billionaires continue to intercourse us up the bottom every which way…
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I watched an interview with Suella Braverman last night and she brazenly lied on multiple occasions. All the lies she told were disprovable by facts and yet she ploughed on, ignoring the questions and the points raised to challenge her.
Her biggest lie, which she repeated often, was about people entering this country illegally, which is simply not true.
She went on about how much it is costing to keep asylum seekers in hotels, which is clearly meant to inflame people into a false outrage. The government has an obligation to house and feed desperate people seeking safety and it's not their fault there are no dedicated centres for doing so.
We take way less people in than our European partners.
The asylum bill has been around since the 50's and they are driving a coach and horses through it.
Indeed. I had Radio 4 on the other and there was a programme about childcare for working people - it's getting like social care, unavailable or ridiculously expensive - the most costly in the developed world. At every level our care system has disintegrated in the last 13 years. That's what people really care about. Add in large parts of our public transport system being shut down (buses outside of major urban area) trains are the most expensive in Europe when they can get train drivers, rivers are getting more and more full of shite and food supply chains failing. In my business there is a construction time bomb looming; supply chains are as difficult as I can remember, there is no chance of resourcing the fitting of 600k heat pumps needed to progress to low and zero-carbon buildings and the workforce is ageing with nowhere near enough young people coming into the industry.
Unfortunately, as a country we are much poorer than we realise and pay back time is now. There has been massive underinvestment in services and infrastructure for years under the Tories with opportunities missed with all those years of low-interest rates. Everywhere you look we see results of years of the neglect of what is important for ordinary people of average wages. But hey look what government has achieved - we got Brexit done, we've got our sovereignty and control of our borders and our shite covered beaches...
There are 300,000 vacancies in the NHS and Social Care, and those feckers that call themselves a government direct all attention onto hundreds arriving on small boats.
How many of the young men crossing the channel illegally are qualified to work in the NHS?
Indeed. I had Radio 4 on the other and there was a programme about childcare for working people - it's getting like social care, unavailable or ridiculously expensive - the most costly in the developed world. At every level our care system has disintegrated in the last 13 years. That's what people really care about. Add in large parts of our public transport system being shut down (buses outside of major urban area) trains are the most expensive in Europe when they can get train drivers, rivers are getting more and more full of shite and food supply chains failing. In my business there is a construction time bomb looming; supply chains are as difficult as I can remember, there is no chance of resourcing the fitting of 600k heat pumps needed to progress to low and zero-carbon buildings and the workforce is ageing with nowhere near enough young people coming into the industry.
Unfortunately, as a country we are much poorer than we realise and pay back time is now. There has been massive underinvestment in services and infrastructure for years under the Tories with opportunities missed with all those years of low-interest rates. Everywhere you look we see results of years of the neglect of what is important for ordinary people of average wages. But hey look what government has achieved - we got Brexit done, we've got our sovereignty and control of our borders and our shite covered beaches...
Childcare costs in the UK are shocking. We pay £55 a day for our daughter, whenever I’ve said that to people who don’t have young children they assume we send her to the nursery equivalent of Eton, rather than normal nursery.
Luckily we both have good enough jobs to cover the cost but it made us delay having another child. I know people with 2 under 3 who are paying almost 30k a year in childcare costs.
Indeed. I had Radio 4 on the other and there was a programme about childcare for working people - it's getting like social care, unavailable or ridiculously expensive - the most costly in the developed world. At every level our care system has disintegrated in the last 13 years. That's what people really care about. Add in large parts of our public transport system being shut down (buses outside of major urban area) trains are the most expensive in Europe when they can get train drivers, rivers are getting more and more full of shite and food supply chains failing. In my business there is a construction time bomb looming; supply chains are as difficult as I can remember, there is no chance of resourcing the fitting of 600k heat pumps needed to progress to low and zero-carbon buildings and the workforce is ageing with nowhere near enough young people coming into the industry.
Unfortunately, as a country we are much poorer than we realise and pay back time is now. There has been massive underinvestment in services and infrastructure for years under the Tories with opportunities missed with all those years of low-interest rates. Everywhere you look we see results of years of the neglect of what is important for ordinary people of average wages. But hey look what government has achieved - we got Brexit done, we've got our sovereignty and control of our borders and our shite covered beaches...
You're perfectly right - we're heading back to a society with a small privileged "elite" (billionaires, landowners, so-called nobility) and the rest of us being supposedly grateful forelock-tugging peasants.
A primary reason for the fiasco that Brexit has become was the need to remove the authority of the European Court of Human Rights in the UK's daily business. So you can see where we're heading there. It has started with the Home Office trampling on the human rights of asylum seekers, and you can be sure it won't end there. . The problems of the NHS are the result of deliberately malevolent Tory policies. The "elite" were appalled, following WW2, that we peasants could enjoy the same top quality medical care that they were paying for in Harley Street. Now private businesses are leeching the NHS budget. Has anyone calculated how much of the substantial NHS budget provides no health benefit to the nation - but simply appears in the profits colomn of certain company accounts?
This is of no concern to those who can afford private medical care. No doubt we are heading towards the American model where workers are too scared to give up their jobs because they would lose the very expensive medical insurance the companies pay on their behalf. (The "elite" know they need workers...but they like to have them by the balls.)
So we're headed back to the Middle Ages if the Tories get their way. We had a peasant's revolt in the 14th Century which involved a lot of bloodshed. Fortunately we can have the 21st Century peasant's revolt at the ballot box.
How many of the young men crossing the channel illegally are qualified to work in the NHS?
How many more times does it need to be pointed out that it is not illegal to cross the border of a country and seek asylum? It is the major tenet of the asylum bill.
Whether they are subsequently allowed to stay is a wholly different matter, which is what the asylum process is for.
We need young and able people to work in so many areas that are deficient in such numbers. Everything from picking fruit and veg to surgical doctors. Given the chance, many of the young people who end up on our shores can train to be the dentists, doctors and nurses of tomorrow.
Take those blinkers off mate. Net migration is a financial positive for this country, but all you will hear is how much they cost to keep and process.
13 years in power, we’ve ‘taken back control’ and the problem is worse than ever, and, apparently, it’s not their fault. There is no will to address the real issues. The ‘oven ready’ brexit deal had no ‘return agreements’ and there is a woefully inadequate resource and infrastructure in place to deal with the ‘small boats’ (that contain humans) problem. It’s not difficult. You have an immigration policy and system. You have safe and legal routes. You have enough staff to ‘process’ arrivals swiftly. You have a robust Anglo French agreement, and you do your fair share. Asylum seekers and refugees are treated with humanity and kindness and accepted and helped. Economic migrants are a separate group but that needs assessment, and the Tories have got the public using all these terms interchangeably without understanding properly. If you are an asylum seeker, genuinely, arriving anywhere, by any means is NOT ILLEGAL. Fact, Those who are playing the system are returned. Nobody likes the situation as it is - uncontrolled, costing millions, gargantuan backlog, people in genuine need lumped in with others. Criminal gangs promise people in certain countries a better life - work and money and dignity and hope and they tell them they can pay the fee back from their wages. It’s a con and most of the passengers are victims, but it isn’t being seriously tackled. Not strategically, legally, genuinely, charitably. British people are tolerant and kind and empathic - they will always help those in genuine need, but there isn’t a proper structure to manage the whole issue and that, I’m afraid, is deliberate.
Childcare costs in the UK are shocking. We pay £55 a day for our daughter, whenever I’ve said that to people who don’t have young children they assume we send her to the nursery equivalent of Eton, rather than normal nursery.
Hunt is reportedly going to announce something about supporting childcare costs this week. About 6 months before my youngest no longer needs paid childcare, so thanks for that, Tories!
We're actually quite lucky that N.E. Lincs is one of the more affordable places for childcare. The 30 free hours for 3 year olds (for 39 weeks a year) is very helpful and there are no top-ups required around here, unlike in many areas of the country.
Childcare is just another area which is terribly broken in our country and there is no indication that anybody is going to fix it, not the Tories or Labour.
Childcare costs in the UK are shocking. We pay £55 a day for our daughter, whenever I’ve said that to people who don’t have young children they assume we send her to the nursery equivalent of Eton, rather than normal nursery.
Luckily we both have good enough jobs to cover the cost but it made us delay having another child. I know people with 2 under 3 who are paying almost 30k a year in childcare costs.
The cost of under 2s is astronomical but it's not that the nurseries are making vast profits. By law they have to stick to minders/child ratios. In a school you might have 1 teacher to 30 pupils but in a nursery for under 4's it is 2 minders per 6 children and considerably higher for under 2s. The government do not help with rates, rent or the cost of necessary equipment hence the high charges. The above quote of £55 a day sounds unbelievable but is quite correct.
Nurseries in lots of areas are actually going out of business, I believe, as the payment for the 30 hours from the government isn't nearly enough to cover costs. Quite simple, really, more funding required. We've got the highest childcare costs in the world, I believe. Some figures in the following page:
Nurseries in lots of areas are actually going out of business, I believe, as the payment for the 30 hours from the government isn't nearly enough to cover costs. Quite simple, really, more funding required. We've got the highest childcare costs in the world, I believe. Some figures in the following page:
When my youngest starts school in September, I'm looking forward to being a bit less skint!
My partner manages a nursery. The industry is on the brink of a Tory made crisis (if it’s not already in one).
The money nurseries receive from government for funded places has not kept pace with the national minimum wage and every year it gets worse. The big NMW rise next month will have huge consequences. The margins that have been shrinking for years have been destroyed by rising wages, food costs, energy costs & inflation in consumables. It’s virtually impossible to make a profit or should that be not make a loss as things stand.
And like every industry there’s a staffing crisis. And high absenteeism too. Nursery staff can’t give the service they would like and that they got into childcare for. Which leads to illness and people deserting the industry.
My partner manages a nursery. The industry is on the brink of a Tory made crisis (if it’s not already in one).
The money nurseries receive from government for funded places has not kept pace with the national minimum wage and every year it gets worse. The big NMW rise next month will have huge consequences. The margins that have been shrinking for years have been destroyed by rising wages, food costs, energy costs & inflation in consumables. It’s virtually impossible to make a profit or should that be not make a loss as things stand.
And like every industry there’s a staffing crisis. And high absenteeism too. Nursery staff can’t give the service they would like and that they got into childcare for. Which leads to illness and people deserting the industry.
This transcends the entire education sector. Schools can only set a deficit budget once, twice and the ESFA come looking and then you’re under all sorts of scrutiny, regardless of how good your school is.
The strikes recently haven’t been about teachers pay necessarily but about the budgeting and economic and staffing crisis hitting education provisions. Still, because folk refuse to actually do their research, as this thread has shown, people just assume it’s about greedy teachers. I’ve friends who are headteachers and senior leaders like myself who’ve received emails from parents simply having a go.
One recently was quite rude so their responses back went along the lines of ‘the TA in your son’s class is valuable and works hard to ensure your son achieved his outcomes, sadly, it is likely they your son’s class TA along with some others will be made redundant in order for the school to break even…this is why teachers are going on strike’.
Then, you factor in the high needs funding deficit. Recently the government published the green paper response claiming to have invested nearly a billion pounds in to high needs blocks nationally…brilliant, there’s a projected 9bn deficit…LAs are going back to schools to review funding formulas and claw back money for the DSG. Schools have little choice if they’re wanting supporting and funding for the more vulnerable…
Then there’s a serious recruitment crisis, sufficiency issues and everything else to contend with…but none of this is the fault of a few Albanians or refugees…anyone that thinks it is is either stupid or just a bigot…
We’re at a point where almost every Education provision, particularly schools, are likely to have to see deficit budgets…what a flipping mental country we live in…managed to find 37bn overnight for a track and trace system, and hundreds of millions for PPE companies owned by tory mates…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
My partner manages a nursery. The industry is on the brink of a Tory made crisis (if it’s not already in one).
The money nurseries receive from government for funded places has not kept pace with the national minimum wage and every year it gets worse. The big NMW rise next month will have huge consequences. The margins that have been shrinking for years have been destroyed by rising wages, food costs, energy costs & inflation in consumables. It’s virtually impossible to make a profit or should that be not make a loss as things stand.
And like every industry there’s a staffing crisis. And high absenteeism too. Nursery staff can’t give the service they would like and that they got into childcare for. Which leads to illness and people deserting the industry.
The major issue with childcare is the government see it as a cost rather than an investment.
If it was made affordable and the nurseries where adequately compensated it could go a long way to plugging the labour shortages in the market and growing the economy. On top of that it would have a massive improvement in early years development and help children adjust to starting school.
The major issue with childcare is the government see it as a cost rather than an investment.
If it was made affordable and the nurseries where adequately compensated it could go a long way to plugging the labour shortages in the market and growing the economy. On top of that it would have a massive improvement in early years development and help children adjust to starting school.
Exactly. The COVID affected intake into school from nursery largely went in to reception year behind where they should have been both in education terms and social skills. It will take years for those children to catch up and some never will.
There’s a real risk that this will become the norm. Fixing preschool provision will mean less intervention when the children get to primary school. It’s always the best solution to fix the cause of problems rather than constantly having to deal with the consequences.
The major issue with childcare is the government see it as a cost rather than an investment.
If it was made affordable and the nurseries where adequately compensated it could go a long way to plugging the labour shortages in the market and growing the economy. On top of that it would have a massive improvement in early years development and help children adjust to starting school.
Because the Tories know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.
Exactly. The COVID affected intake into school from nursery largely went in to reception year behind where they should have been both in education terms and social skills. It will take years for those children to catch up and some never will.
There’s a real risk that this will become the norm. Fixing preschool provision will mean less intervention when the children get to primary school. It’s always the best solution to fix the cause of problems rather than constantly having to deal with the consequences.
Good point. Services have gradually been chipped away until it becomes the ‘new normal’.
My wife works in children’s mental health, over the past few years they have gradually reduced trainee clinical psychologist positions as it was decided it was too expensive to train them. Now there is a huge shortage of staff and it takes years to complete the training. To top it off the private sector has grown and is offering significantly higher salaries, she gets a number of calls every week overnight to practically double her salary to go private.
In the end it means more kids don’t get the diagnosis or help they need at the right time and end up needing far more interventions when they are older.
This transcends the entire education sector. Schools can only set a deficit budget once, twice and the ESFA come looking and then you’re under all sorts of scrutiny, regardless of how good your school is.
The strikes recently haven’t been about teachers pay necessarily but about the budgeting and economic and staffing crisis hitting education provisions. Still, because folk refuse to actually do their research, as this thread has shown, people just assume it’s about greedy teachers. I’ve friends who are headteachers and senior leaders like myself who’ve received emails from parents simply having a go.
One recently was quite rude so their responses back went along the lines of ‘the TA in your son’s class is valuable and works hard to ensure your son achieved his outcomes, sadly, it is likely they your son’s class TA along with some others will be made redundant in order for the school to break even…this is why teachers are going on strike’.
Then, you factor in the high needs funding deficit. Recently the government published the green paper response claiming to have invested nearly a billion pounds in to high needs blocks nationally…brilliant, there’s a projected 9bn deficit…LAs are going back to schools to review funding formulas and claw back money for the DSG. Schools have little choice if they’re wanting supporting and funding for the more vulnerable…
Then there’s a serious recruitment crisis, sufficiency issues and everything else to contend with…but none of this is the fault of a few Albanians or refugees…anyone that thinks it is is either stupid or just a bigot…
We’re at a point where almost every Education provision, particularly schools, are likely to have to see deficit budgets…what a flipping mental country we live in…managed to find 37bn overnight for a track and trace system, and hundreds of millions for PPE companies owned by tory mates…
You make a very point here about education and child welfare. The sad fact is that it could refer to any aspect of life today, nurses, doctors, railway personnel etc. Our basic road infrastructure was started by the Romans and the railways by the Victorians. We now have congested motorways with no new ones planned and a railway system not fit for purpose and no plans to improve either, with HS2 being shelved in some areas.
I don't want to go on about a north/south divide but the so-called levelling up came to nothing. Money for the Elizabeth underground and nothing to connect the electrification of Hull to Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool lines.
In every aspect of life, everybody has been let down except the billionaires and millionaires.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
You make a very point here about education and child welfare. The sad fact is that it could refer to any aspect of life today, nurses, doctors, railway personnel etc. Our basic road infrastructure was started by the Romans and the railways by the Victorians. We now have congested motorways with no new ones planned and a railway system not fit for purpose and no plans to improve either, with HS2 being shelved in some areas.
I don't want to go on about a north/south divide but the so-called levelling up came to nothing. Money for the Elizabeth underground and nothing to connect the electrification of Hull to Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool lines.
In every aspect of life, everybody has been let down except the billionaires and millionaires.
Who'd have thought that Boris Johnson, a man who has made a career out of lying, would have lied about that?
This might be worth watching for those who think Lineker was out of order or that people coming to these shores in small boats are "illegal Immigrants".
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