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Back to football (briefly !) . It woukd be so Grimsby Town if our first ever live appearance on match of the day was cancelled by this spat.
Soo Grimsby Town if the only clubs to suffer financially from this spat would be man City (world richest club), Burnley (virtually certain to be in the world's richest league next season), Brighton (current members of the world's richest league)...and us. The others wouldn't even notice. Couldn't make it up. |
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You might find it hard to believe, especially on a Saturday, but some things, like hard earned freedoms, are even more important than football.
Maybe but it’s a football forum and there are plenty of other places to exercise moral outrage some of them may even be places that might actually achieve something. |
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Even thinking an article from The Spectator could show something worthwhile is a pretty remarkable view. A toxic right-wing mag with a tiny circulation yet which wields much greater influence than it deserves thanks to the likes of Neil and Nelson who can appear on any BBC political problem they wish. Can't remember if The New Statesman had similar influence during the New Labour years, but I'd tend to doubt it. Glad the Tories are going full on culture war instead of attempting to fix everything they've copulated up over the past dozen years or so. It has worked so well in the US. The Tories will always copy the very worst actions of the Republicans if it gives them a chance to keep milking the system. The reason the 'small boats' (which are full of living, breathing people, don't forget) are coming across because of the cynical ineptitude of the Tory headbangers which makes it pretty much impossible to claim asylum. All this coming at a time when our aging country desperately needs young workers to come in and look after the baby boomers, staff our hospitals, harvest our food etc etc. As always, I'll refer to Umberto Eco's common features of fascism: https://www.openculture.com/20.....ures-of-fascism.htmlEven if you're sceptical, try getting your pen out to tick off the behaviours of the Conservative government over the past half a dozen years. Impossible to deny that these features aren't all in play. Given the ineptitude of many of those in government in recent years, I suspect most of them don't really realise what they are doing, but I'm sure that a substantial number of them know what they are doing and are happy with the slide towards fascism.
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No! None of it was true, none of those things we thought we could see existed at all.
All that was really there was still more misery
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Maybe we are all missing the point here, it's not about what he said it's the fact he said something. Under no duress whatsover he signed a very lucrative contract with the BBC. Part of that contract is the BBC's code of conduct and their rules on impartialality. On many occasions he has been warned of his conduct on social media, and on this occasion he has said he will keep breaking his employers rules and therefore his contract.
If he want's to continue sharing his opinions on social media then I suggest he resigns and goes to Sky or BT.
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I know Clarkson doesn't work on the BBC any longer, but he seemed to be allowed to say whatever he pleased back in the day.
Alan Sugar allowed to make nonsensical claims against Corbyn the other year and has been attacking Mick Lynch on twitter recently as well. When is he getting the boot?
Not to mention the fact that one of the board of Directors was head of staff for Theresa May before being parachuted into the BBC. The Chairman donated £400K to the Tories in the past, even before any dodgy dealings with Johnson. The Chief Executive a former Conservative Party candidate (and donor).
If these people not involved in the news or politics side of things at the corporation are allowed to do all this, why should Lineker making a factual comment on his private twitter account be any different
It would be interesting to hear the reasoning behind why one of these cases requires suspension and the others don't require even a comment. Anybody willing to give it a try?
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Maybe we are all missing the point here, it's not about what he said it's the fact he said something. Under no duress whatsover he signed a very lucrative contract with the BBC. Part of that contract is the BBC's code of conduct and their rules on impartialality. On many occasions he has been warned of his conduct on social media, and on this occasion he has said he will keep breaking his employers rules and therefore his contract.
If he want's to continue sharing his opinions on social media then I suggest he resigns and goes to Sky or BT.
And there are no double standards going on here at all? He's a left leaning oik from working class roots, so he is censured. Plenty of other BBC employees say what they like with impunity, but are generally favourable to the government. Hypocrisy in action. |
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Can someone please explain to me how perfectly legal asylum seekers are supposed to get here? Get on a plane? Maybe a ferry at Calais? Swim? Walk on water?
The only recourse they have to get to these shores is by boat, often very dangerously overloaded and totally inadequate boats at that, often using all the money they have in the world.
They have every right to come here and seek asylum and yet have no safe means of doing so. The government is now about to take away that as well. So although we signed up to international treaties to accept asylum seekers, we are making it impossible for them to do so.
My thoughts exactly on the Button
Football is and has become part of our social foundation and escape for the working class when we look back at Foreign players Trueman Robeldo would they have had a chance to stay or even play in our so called modern society I doubt it with the reteroric and disgusting Legislation that's evolving from Westminster. Having been Born Abroad my Q is how English are you ?
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And there are no double standards going on here at all?
He's a left leaning oik from working class roots, so he is censured. Plenty of other BBC employees say what they like with impunity, but are generally favourable to the government.
Hypocrisy in action.
I totally agree with you, but it's the fact that he is publically unrependant that has forced the BBC's hand |
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Propaganda must not investigate the truth objectively (…) it must present only that aspect of the truth which is favorable to its own side. (...) The receptive powers of the masses are very restricted (…) On the other hand, they quickly forget. All effective propaganda must be confined to a few bare essentials and those must be expressed as far as possible in stereotyped formulas. These slogans should be persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea that has been put forward.
The above passage could have been lifted directly from the current right wing playbook. The whole Gary Lineker situation and the ‘Culture Wars’ in general seem to distraction to stop people focusing on the numerous messes the current government has made.
This one in particular looks like an own goal as it’s reignited the story about the last but one Prime Minster allegedly needing help from Richard Sharp to borrow money from his own ‘cousin’.
Gary Lineker’s opinion doesn’t really matter and shouldn’t be the main news story.
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In other words if I don't follow or agree with your narrative or views then I am wrong and you are right.
Isn't it rather ironic that you believe in freedom of speech ? Of course, providing it follows your views. Obviously, in your eyes, I'm a fool , gullible and can't think for myself and come up with my own opinion.
No I was only pointing out the hypocrisy of your “freedom of speech is sacrosanct but…” post, and how you have chosen to interpret what Lineker actually said. Unlike some I am quite happy to be proved wrong when facts are presented to me to undermine my argument |
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