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The reality is we are closer to the play offs than relegation, we are in the 4th round of the cup with a chance of getting into the 5th round. We've got 2 weeks of the window left and half a season of games to improve.

Things could improve to be very exciting. More likely is we will cement our place in league 2 and build for next year.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

The reality is we are closer to the play offs than relegation, we are in the 4th round of the cup with a chance of getting into the 5th round. We've got 2 weeks of the window left and half a season of games to improve.

Things could improve to be very exciting. More likely is we will cement our place in league 2 and build for next year.

You can look at it like that, or like our form is 23rd over the last 10 games. Slade had us in the playoffs at the end of November the season we nearly went down. The teams down at the bottom are improving, if we don't then relegation is a real possibility.

Not that I think we will go down, but there's some misguided optimism that we're nailed on to stay up because the bottom teams were so bad for the first 15 or so games, they're spending to fix that and we aren't. Our confidence from the end of last season is well and truly gone. Promoted sides are often worse in the second half of the season when the bounce is over and the other teams figure them out.

Quoted from realist

So many defending the current management team that have proven themselves to be totally inept in the transfer market. We will end up with the usual cross and loanees as before. We need a new manager asap.  

Grow up and try using your brain before you type.

Quoted from pen penfras

You can look at it like that, or like our form is 23rd over the last 10 games. Slade had us in the playoffs at the end of November the season we nearly went down. The teams down at the bottom are improving, if we don't then relegation is a real possibility.

Not that I think we will go down, but there's some misguided optimism that we're nailed on to stay up because the bottom teams were so bad for the first 15 or so games, they're spending to fix that and we aren't. Our confidence from the end of last season is well and truly gone. Promoted sides are often worse in the second half of the season when the bounce is over and the other teams figure them out.

Can you give us some examples of the money spent/players signed by Rochdale, Hartlepool, Harrogate, Crawley etc and your assessment on the quality of those players so we can start a balanced assessment of who’s doing what, and don’t get sucked into an alarmist, negative, moany swamp.

@ pen penfras.  Sorry to pick you out, but your post was the last I read.

So, hypothetically, if you were the Manager of GTFC, how would you go about buying a suitable striker for the team?

Lets see, you know the striker you want and you make a bid to the club for X amount of money.  The club turns it down so after much thought you offer them XX amount, again it is turned down.  So you add a couple of clauses and a few more XX's, and the cub accepts the bid, HURRAH!

Now you have to speak to the player about his contract, after 3 attempts to entice him to the club with very good weekly wage offers, in fact the top wage earner in the club, he refuses and wants more.  You can't pay him any more, so it's a No Sale.

What if this same scenario happens two or three times with different players, maybe with different reasons not to sign, what do you do then?

Quoted from 123614

@ pen penfras.  Sorry to pick you out, but your post was the last I read.

So, hypothetically, if you were the Manager of GTFC, how would you go about buying a suitable striker for the team?

Lets see, you know the striker you want and you make a bid to the club for X amount of money.  The club turns it down so after much thought you offer them XX amount, again it is turned down.  So you add a couple of clauses and a few more XX's, and the cub accepts the bid, HURRAH!

Now you have to speak to the player about his contract, after 3 attempts to entice him to the club with very good weekly wage offers, in fact the top wage earner in the club, he refuses and wants more.  You can't pay him any more, so it's a No Sale.

What if this same scenario happens two or three times with different players, maybe with different reasons not to sign, what do you do then?

A la Mudryk....Arsenal would not break their wage structure, Chelsea with their bottomless pockets just paid and agreed to whatever his agent asked for!..
Unfortunately at our level, there are multiple factors why a player will chose, for the sake of the discussion, say Barrow over us, its never just the money on offer because in reality there's not a huge difference between 2 and 3k a week, our best bargaining tool would have to be length of contract, could we offer 3 years, over 2 years?...

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

A la Mudryk....Arsenal would not break their wage structure, Chelsea with their bottomless pockets just paid and agreed to whatever his agent asked for!..
Unfortunately at our level, there are multiple factors why a player will chose, for the sake of the discussion, say Barrow over us, its never just the money on offer because in reality there's not a huge difference between 2 and 3k a week, our best bargaining tool would have to be length of contract, could we offer 3 years, over 2 years?...

I think Barrow train in Manchester during the week and travel to Barrow every 2nd weekend for games

I would like to see Paul be more adventurous with the line up, rather than inviting pressure and playing to defend first.

O'Neill
Khan-McAtee-Kiernan
Clifton Hunt
Glennon-Maher-Smith-Efete
Crocombe

Something like the above, and utilise Clifton's pressing and energy.

No idea why Hunt is not getting a look as we paid a fee and he could be a difference maker in tight games. I admit we need to improve defensively and we are still waiting for the elusive striker..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

A la Mudryk....Arsenal would not break their wage structure, Chelsea with their bottomless pockets just paid and agreed to whatever his agent asked for!..
Unfortunately at our level, there are multiple factors why a player will chose, for the sake of the discussion, say Barrow over us, its never just the money on offer because in reality there's not a huge difference between 2 and 3k a week, our best bargaining tool would have to be length of contract, could we offer 3 years, over 2 years?...

You think there's not much difference between 2k and 3k a week? Unless you're a millionaire, there's a massive difference.

Quoted from pen penfras

You think there's not much difference between 2k and 3k a week? Unless you're a millionaire, there's a massive difference.

I know you’re not being specific and it’s just an example/point made but if we were to start paying players £150K a year I’d be a bit worried. I suspect there are quite a few L2 clubs that wouldn’t blink at it which also begs the question if a player was good enough to be paid that by Town what could they get elsewhere closer to home or at a club in a promotion position?