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Just received mine in the post. A few notable elements:
- Between 1,800 and 2,200 tickets available
- Up to six people from two households able to sit together
- Only one league game expected to be played behind closed doors, with the first game open to attend being 3rd October
- No refunds available in the event that games have to revert to behind closed doors
That last one may put a few off, but it’s completely understandable from the club’s point of view - they need guaranteed income. Personally, it’s a financial risk I’m prepared to make though I respect anyone who doesn’t want to / isn’t able to.
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Just received mine in the post. A few notable elements:
- Between 1,800 and 2,200 tickets available
- Up to six people from two households able to sit together
- Only one league game expected to be played behind closed doors, with the first game open to attend being 3rd October
- No refunds available in the event that games have to revert to behind closed doors
That last one may put a few off, but it’s completely understandable from the club’s point of view - they need guaranteed income. Personally, it’s a financial risk I’m prepared to make though I respect anyone who doesn’t want to / isn’t able to.
Never been a gambler but I'll take this one. Cleethorpes still has the lowest infection rate in England. One assumes that EFL/SKY/IFollow deal would kick back in if local lockdowns prevent access for spectators later in the season? |
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Never been a gambler but I'll take this one. Cleethorpes still has the lowest infection rate in England. One assumes that EFL/SKY/IFollow deal would kick back in if local lockdowns prevent access for spectators later in the season?
Home matches are free to stream for season ticket holders until capacity exceeds 50%. |
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They offering the pay monthly scheme? Or not doing it this year?
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Just arrived! Lots to digest so best read it all first. Hopefully club will publish the FAQ'S pages later as so much is different. No Trust discount is one example of change to affordability. OS has this long version of t's and C's. https://www.grimsby-townfc.co......s-and-conditions.pdf |
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I can’t figure out if it’s detailed or just extremely long winded?
I suspect the short notice of the purchase period is more likely to put people off than the actual virus and the like...
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I would think not having your seat of choice would be a major factor for some, you may not even get the stand you want depending upon demand.
Staggered arrival times
Bars and refreshments not necessarily open
No end aisle seats to be used
Club are doing their best given the circumstances but just so many unknowns.
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Staggered entry times will be bizarre and I’m not entirely sure they serve a purpose.
Providing people just queue similar to shops then it seems unnecessary.
I agree about the seat thing, especially if you’re used to sitting in say the lower findus and you get the main stand. I think the bigger issue is the club are gonna be having to get the abacus our to figure out alleged social bubbles and the like...which let’s face it, aren’t really happening anywhere else...
Also, thinking about it, some poor girl private will be sat back corner of the osmond paying the same price as some bloke sat on the half way line in the lower...
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Staggered entry times will be bizarre and I’m not entirely sure they serve a purpose.
Providing people just queue similar to shops then it seems unnecessary.
I agree about the seat thing, especially if you’re used to sitting in say the lower fondue and you get the main stand. I think the bigger issue is the club are gonna be having to get the abacus our to figure out alleged social bubbles and the like...which let’s face it, aren’t really happening anywhere else...
I do wonder if the club will be diligent enough to vet "bubbles" to ensure there are only two addresses/household involved? Seat wise, I have mates who are very attached to their particular upper findus seats which they consider the best view in the ground....moving just a few seats either way may prove too much for them never mind rows or stands. |
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If there are limited tickets for each game (and presuming these will be ONLY sth’s), the turnstiles would surely be made redundant for the time being and the emergency gates opened to allow for faster processing?
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I think that’s the issue regarding seats.
I’ve literally had my seat since it was put in. Sitting elsewhere is just plain weird but moving to a different stand is even more bizarre.
I don’t think the club can or will vet the whole bubble thing. Let’s face it, it’s not being enforced elsewhere. Let’s face it, people will still do what they always do in a football ground.
Paying more for a ticket in a lesser stand will certainly put people off...
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Provided you get your seat from last season (and the five/ten/twenty odd for some before) back at the earlist opportunity I’m not particularly arsed where I sit as long as I am funding the club and watching live footy.
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Given the complicated system and the cost, combined with short time to find the money I can see us having actual match day tickets for sale...
If they have to use turnstiles (I mean plenty of us go through the side gate in the lower findus anyway) then it’s quite easy to just stand in a ‘socially distanced’ queue as we used to at supermarkets...won’t take any longer to get folk through...
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Given the complicated system and the cost, combined with short time to find the money I can see us having actual match day tickets for sale...
If they have to use turnstiles (I mean plenty of us go through the side gate in the lower findus anyway) then it’s quite easy to just stand in a ‘socially distanced’ queue as we used to at supermarkets...won’t take any longer to get folk through...
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It says in my letter there will not be tickets issued but you will be given a card to scan at the turnstiles. Crikey!
So after all the time wasted when other clubs finally bit the bullet and realised cards were the easiest and cheapest method than printing tickets...we waited and waited until now? This is gonna be very complicated... |
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So after all the time wasted when other clubs finally bit the bullet and realised cards were the easiest and cheapest method than printing tickets...we waited and waited until now?
This is gonna be very complicated...
I mean you can always stay at home if its too complicated for you. Clubs doing there best just give it a rest |
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I don’t think anyone has said they’re not doing their best...
I think the points made by most people are valid, the short space of time to find the money for one, possibly two ST could stop people purchasing.
Where clubs like town get shafted here is the size of our stadium...some team will still have the same gates, minus a couple of hundred away fans...Bolton, Franchise scum, Colchester and the likes.
Side note...are social bubbles still actually a thing?
Given the optimism about possibly only playing 1 home game behind closed doors, is that just for us or the wider league...surely they’re not gonna stagger that? Perhaps the EFL could at least help clubs out here and provide some clarity?
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Sounds like a daft question but do you think there’s a chance these might hit general sale? I’m not likely to make every single game but it’d be good to put something towards the club and have a chance of seeing us play this season.
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Do you mean match tickets or STs?
I think ST will hit general sale purely because of the short notice for folk to find cash, I’m not sure we’ll sell them out either so it would be a good chance for folk to pick up match tickets and still contribute...
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Sounds like a daft question but do you think there’s a chance these might hit general sale? I’m not likely to make every single game but it’d be good to put something towards the club and have a chance of seeing us play this season.
Doubt they will hit general sale. We have a regular take up of about 3000 season ticket holders, so i assume they will all go to those that are regulars. I was a regular until i decided not to buy one last season, so i'm not expecting to receive a pack this year. I think there will be a good few that want one, and had one last season, but will be disappointed. Don't know how they are going to allocate them. By rights they should go to those that have had one the longest first, which will take a bit of sorting through the ledgers. Maybe it will be a first come first served basis from those sent packs. As for the social bubble bit. Surely that will be down to the individuals in the bubble to police themselves. Once those named in the bubble are allocated their seats together, it will be up to them to uphold the rules. No slipping your ticket to a mate if you can't attend for some reason. You can't expect the club to check everyone for validity. |
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So after all the time wasted when other clubs finally bit the bullet and realised cards were the easiest and cheapest method than printing tickets...we waited and waited until now?
This is gonna be very complicated...
Good opportunity to transition from old clunky ticketing to one that can provide lots of useful data for future marketing and planning. At least you can claim you were right in the end! |
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Side note...having not read it more than once, is there any mention of the trust bar being open pre match?
If they took out an area of the car park and put up a gazebo they could provide refreshments of whatever takes folks fancy there at a safe distance...or is that simply out of the question?
In some ways, this might actually move us forward in terms of ticketing, away from the clunky system and the handwritten ST book...
So how many folk are gonna be convincing their significant others that they need 300/400 within two weeks?
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I mean i certainly am, im in the process of saving for a mortgage and always do my ST pay monthly. Without that option im a bit stumped
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They offering the pay monthly scheme? Or not doing it this year?
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I won’t be able to make many games this season due to work commitments but I’d still purchase a season ticket to help with income for the club, I’m sure many others would to.
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I won’t be able to make many games this season due to work commitments but I’d still purchase a season ticket to help with income for the club, I’m sure many others would to.
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Good idea LH I hadn’t thought of that, it makes sense to do that.
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Good idea LH I hadn’t thought of that, it makes sense to do that.
Sorry that I was a bit abrupt with how I posted that! Inevitably there are going to be people who are going to be disappointed initially that they are unable to get in. Using other means of funding the club (shares predominantly as the club gets the lot and doesn’t lose any money to manufacturing costs or whatever) is going to allow more people who want to to get in. Those who are disappointed in the first ballot need to keep in mind that one day we will all be allowed back in. It would be nice if the club could clarify how they’ll allocate tickets in the second, third etc ballots though. |
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I totally understand what you meant LH and didn’t take any offence to it at all, you made a very valid point, I will be looking into purchasing shares later next week mate.
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I’m a bit in the dark as I haven’t had mine yet.
How much are they? And how do you order them?
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I’m a bit in the dark as I haven’t had mine yet.
How much are they? And how do you order them?
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We’ve not had our pack yet so I’m assuming they are staggered on the basis of how long you’ve been a STH. We had a break if 2 years and then took one again 3 years ago so I guess we’ll be towards the back of any queue, or is it first come first served?
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Thanks. How weird that they’ve gone up and not passed on the VAT cut. Thanks for donanting your ST money here’s a £30 rise 😂 |
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Just got my pack don't think I can agree to terms,specially if season ends early.Not sure as I am 65 in Oct whether I qualify for over 65 concession.Does not say if toilets are open but says refreshment kiosk will be closed to minimise movement round stadium.
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When I spoke to the club on Friday about change of address they said all letters would go out so I’m assuming they haven’t staggered them...I’m assuming that we only had around 2500 STH last season, suggest only 300 or so will miss out, that’s assuming every STH wants to renew...
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If the club are planning on using 'loaded' cards instead of tickets for match day entrance, then surely that would make it possible and cost effective for supporters to choose to add individual games, half seasons or full seasons depending on the individuals budget.
It wouldnt cost the club anything extra between loading one match on as it would loading a full season on, as all it would entail is the card being scanned in a reader.
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If I were the club I’d be looking at a ‘future season ticket’ scheme. The idea would be to have some sort of pre paid for waiting list who are given access to tickets as the percentage we can accommodate increases during the season. In the meantime you get an iFollow pass for free to watch the games.
There’s enough of us daft enough to pay for them for a chance to watch us later in the season and the club get more revenue. Win win all round.
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We’ve not had our pack yet so I’m assuming they are staggered on the basis of how long you’ve been a STH. We had a break if 2 years and then took one again 3 years ago so I guess we’ll be towards the back of any queue, or is it first come first served?
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Had one 15 years and not had my pack either
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We’ve not had our pack yet so I’m assuming they are staggered on the basis of how long you’ve been a STH. We had a break if 2 years and then took one again 3 years ago so I guess we’ll be towards the back of any queue, or is it first come first served?
First FAQ on the list sent out! 'Following the deadline of Friday Sept 11th we will assess the number of applications from 2019/20 STH's and if this exceeds capacity, we will perform a ballot to allocate 2020/21 season tickets. If applications are below capacity, we will invite applications from all other supporters on a first come first served basis.' Algorithm anyone? Given the timescale, keeping it simple has it's benefits but it may be unfortunate for some. Bound to be a ballot for Upper Youngs I'd say. |
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When I spoke to the club on Friday about change of address they said all letters would go out so I’m assuming they haven’t staggered them...I’m assuming that we only had around 2500 STH last season, suggest only 300 or so will miss out, that’s assuming every STH wants to renew...
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First FAQ on the list sent out!
'Following the deadline of Friday Sept 11th we will assess the number of applications from 2019/20 STH's and if this exceeds capacity, we will perform a ballot to allocate 2020/21 season tickets. If applications are below capacity, we will invite applications from all other supporters on a first come first served basis.'
Algorithm anyone? Given the timescale, keeping it simple has it's benefits but it may be unfortunate for some.
Bound to be a ballot for Upper Youngs I'd say.
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I guess cash is a consideration as well as they’ll be a fair proportion of people who have had it a bit tough in recent months.
This is my point really, yes there are folk who think it’s their way of doing their bit etc. But this sort of short notice, in an area that hardly flush with cash and so many on short money and the likes...I can see a few giving the purchase a miss and understandably so... |
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Cheltenham, like Colchester perhaps had a less magnificent response from their fans in terms of not claiming refunds, buying shares etc. and had to get cash in from selling season tickets early. Don't really know. By going early they were able to stage it by offering 'loyalty' renewals first up to Aug 7th. since then it has been in batches of 100. Online sales available, '5 clicks from a season ticket'. No promise of a nominated seat though.
The staff in GTFC ticket office have a month to sort it all out. Should be fine!
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Imagine if the ballot split a family or bubble.........or if a long standing STH loses out over someone who had their first STH last year.......has to be more than just a name out of a hat surely ?
Also as the club firstly dont know how many applications there are, what the split between bubbles and individuals will be they cant even approach the council for a safety certificate......the council may even knock back any proposal the club put forward and reduce capacity a bit more.
All with just a couple of weeks to go before kick off. Going to be a bumpy ride this.
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Imagine if the ballot split a family or bubble.........or if a long standing STH loses out over someone who had their first STH last year.......has to be more than just a name out of a hat surely ?
Also as the club firstly dont know how many applications there are, what the split between bubbles and individuals will be they cant even approach the council for a safety certificate......the council may even knock back any proposal the club put forward and reduce capacity a bit more.
All with just a couple of weeks to go before kick off. Going to be a bumpy ride this.
And not good news for the staff in the ticket office I would imagine as they’ll potentially be no tickets for them to sell. Also the test events could have a bearing on government restrictions either way at some point. |
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Also if there are limited season tickets and the ballot dishes out concession/junior/young adult passes consistently there is a big gulf in income from a full paying season ticket holder!
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Also if there are limited season tickets and the ballot dishes out concession/junior/young adult passes consistently there is a big gulf in income from a full paying season ticket holder!
Well the notice did say under 14's have to be accompanied by an adult.......so if a junior went on their own last year they now need to bring an adult......but there arent any new season ticket holder slots...so they cant....effectively this can only reduce the number of junior season ticket holders. |
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I haven't waded through this thread so apologies if there is repetition. These views are my own (i,e nothing to do with the Trust).
Just talking to friends who are around a similar age and not all of them have trust in attending football matches per se, Having been shielding for three months I think it mirrors how I feel. I suspect there will be more than a few who were season ticket holders last year who will pass on the opportunity for this year which may open up availability that bit more.
If I did buy one to be honest I wouldn't care where it was-I understand it's temporary for this season only. The important thing would be seeing the game live.
Hopefully if there is no further escalation in the number of cases then during the season more fans will be allowed in.
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We’ve not had our pack yet so I’m assuming they are staggered on the basis of how long you’ve been a STH. We had a break if 2 years and then took one again 3 years ago so I guess we’ll be towards the back of any queue, or is it first come first served?
Nope, it was literally a case of those that were stuff in envelopes by postage cut off went yesterday and the rest go Tuesday. I've not had mine yet and been a season ticket holder for years. It's neither back of the queue nor 1st come, 1st served. Each stand will be unique and none will be looked at until after the 11th September cut off where they'll then be matched to the stand and bubbles if that make's sense? |
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Just got my pack don't think I can agree to terms,specially if season ends early.Not sure as I am 65 in Oct whether I qualify for over 65 concession.Does not say if toilets are open but says refreshment kiosk will be closed to minimise movement round stadium.
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If the club are planning on using 'loaded' cards instead of tickets for match day entrance, then surely that would make it possible and cost effective for supporters to choose to add individual games, half seasons or full seasons depending on the individuals budget.
It wouldnt cost the club anything extra between loading one match on as it would loading a full season on, as all it would entail is the card being scanned in a reader.
One for the future but with social bubbles part of match day planning its just not feasible to have all sorts of different seating plans that this would entail. One for the future when the ground is back up to capacity or at least has far less restrictions. |
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This is my point really, yes there are folk who think it’s their way of doing their bit etc. But this sort of short notice, in an area that hardly flush with cash and so many on short money and the likes...I can see a few giving the purchase a miss and understandably so...
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One thing i dont see in the info to date is ....just how will it work on matchday. As you dont appear to be choosing your specific seat at purchase then ;
will you be allocated a specific seat in whichever stand by the club which becomes yours for now .... or .....
will it be a case of you enter your allocated stand and be directed to where you will be seated by stewards/ matchday staff. ie the next empty seat in the "safe" pattern
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One thing i dont see in the info to date is ....just how will it work on matchday. As you dont appear to be choosing your specific seat at purchase then ;
will you be allocated a specific seat in whichever stand by the club which becomes yours for now .... or .....
will it be a case of you enter your allocated stand and be directed to where you will be seated by stewards/ matchday staff. ie the next empty seat in the "safe" pattern
Once all season ticket applications are in, the next bit depends on how they look in terms of bubble sizes and over subscription. Once that part of the process is sorted you'll be allocated a specific seat, probably until such a time as guidance changes significantly. |
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I haven't waded through this thread so apologies if there is repetition. These views are my own (i,e nothing to do with the Trust).
Just talking to friends who are around a similar age and not all of them have trust in attending football matches per se, Having been shielding for three months I think it mirrors how I feel. I suspect there will be more than a few who were season ticket holders last year who will pass on the opportunity for this year which may open up availability that bit more.
If I did buy one to be honest I wouldn't care where it was-I understand it's temporary for this season only. The important thing would be seeing the game live.
Hopefully if there is no further escalation in the number of cases then during the season more fans will be allowed in.
A lot of STH are if they older generation like my dad who’s 74 and not in great health. Going to games is one of his only reasons to leave the house these days personally if he didn’t get a ticket until this passes it would be quite a relief don’t tell him I said that though he however feels the exact opposite. |
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Once all season ticket applications are in, the next bit depends on how they look in terms of bubble sizes and over subscription. Once that part of the process is sorted you'll be allocated a specific seat, probably until such a time as guidance changes significantly.
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Got my renewal pack.
I know we are at a time when money is tight for clubs, but I just feel the price rise is a bit insulting. STHs donated a lot of money at the end of the season and we are putting it up when we will miss some games.
Selling a price rise as “tidying the prices up” as well, don’t urine in my face and tell me it’s raining.
I’m surprised that has happened considering we have the trust on the board.
I also think we should’ve gone down the route of other clubs by selling as many as we could at a lower price and balloting tickets for each game, the remaining supporters getting the ifollow pass.
Saying all that, I’ll be trying to renew.
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I doubt we’ll sell the full allocation, but I really hope I’m proved wrong. I just think that with the average age of town fans seemingly being quite high, I’d imagine that plenty will stay away.
I’ve not had a season ticket since maybe 2002 and have no intention of getting one again, but I cannot wait to be allowed in the ground again, so will bide my time. I’ll pay for iFollow every game for as long as it takes.
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One thing the present situation really dictates the need for is some kind of ticket exchange system. I’ve been a season ticket holder for as long as I can remember but haven’t lived in town for nearly 20 years. As such, I tend to miss 7 or 8 games a season due to work and family commitments.
It’s never really been cost-efficient buying a season ticket, but I like the club to have my money, welcome the priority when it comes to away and big cup games and like the convenience of not having to go to the ticket office every time I’m back for a game.
However, in the current situation those 7 or 8 games I can’t make are denying someone else the opportunity to go. In fact, I’d happily donate my tickets for those games back to the club for nothing in order for someone else to purchase.
I wonder how difficult it would be to get something like that in place, because it would be win-win for everyone.
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One thing the present situation really dictates the need for is some kind of ticket exchange system. I’ve been a season ticket holder for as long as I can remember but haven’t lived in town for nearly 20 years. As such, I tend to miss 7 or 8 games a season due to work and family commitments.
It’s never really been cost-efficient buying a season ticket, but I like the club to have my money, welcome the priority when it comes to away and big cup games and like the convenience of not having to go to the ticket office every time I’m back for a game.
However, in the current situation those 7 or 8 games I can’t make are denying someone else the opportunity to go. In fact, I’d happily donate my tickets for those games back to the club for nothing in order for someone else to purchase.
I wonder how difficult it would be to get something like that in place, because it would be win-win for everyone.
I think this is a very sensible idea, and if we’re going to a card system you’d imagine there would be an IT solution to sort it....maybe? I can’t get to most Tuesday night games at home and if I get a “pass” as it’s now being termed would be more than happy to give any games away (for free) that I couldn’t make especially if it was to someone who’d been furloughed etc.. and hadn’t had the cash to stump up for a session ticket. |
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However, in the current situation those 7 or 8 games I can’t make are denying someone else the opportunity to go. In fact, I’d happily donate my tickets for those games back to the club for nothing in order for someone else to purchase.
I wonder how difficult it would be to get something like that in place, because it would be win-win for everyone.
As noble a gesture Poojah, the club will already have had the money for the ticket, so whether you turn up or not, they are not losing out. It'd probably cost them more in Admin fees to resell your ticket than the cost of the ticket in the first place. |
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One thing the present situation really dictates the need for is some kind of ticket exchange system. I’ve been a season ticket holder for as long as I can remember but haven’t lived in town for nearly 20 years. As such, I tend to miss 7 or 8 games a season due to work and family commitments.
It’s never really been cost-efficient buying a season ticket, but I like the club to have my money, welcome the priority when it comes to away and big cup games and like the convenience of not having to go to the ticket office every time I’m back for a game.
However, in the current situation those 7 or 8 games I can’t make are denying someone else the opportunity to go. In fact, I’d happily donate my tickets for those games back to the club for nothing in order for someone else to purchase.
I wonder how difficult it would be to get something like that in place, because it would be win-win for everyone.
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Its already in place, its one of the F.A.Q's in the renewal pack.
I haven’t had chance to read it through in full, so that’s great news, thanks! |
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Yep completely understandable and why their 19/20 season ticket seat will be frozen for them.
That's probably the best point. Eventually you will get the seat you want, and that includes those current season ticket holders who aren't able to renew at the moment, as far as I could tell. As soon as more capacity is allowed any 19/20 season ticket holders will still get first dibs. Biggest issue for me, likely to be made redundant by Christmas, is the gamble of having no option of any refund even if the whole season was written off after an early winter spike in Covid. Something which is far from impossible! |
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Helps protect the immediate future of the club though. If the season is abandoned could the club transfer it to shares or something so you at least get something from it?
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Helps protect the immediate future of the club though. If the season is abandoned could the club transfer it to shares or something so you at least get something from it?
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Helps protect the immediate future of the club though. If the season is abandoned could the club transfer it to shares or something so you at least get something from it?
I can't blame the club for the position they are taking, but it is a personal gamble for people like myself. |
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I don't understand this £10 for season ticket holders to watch away games on Ifollow, can't we normally watch away games on ifollow anyway?
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I don't understand this £10 for season ticket holders to watch away games on Ifollow, can't we normally watch away games on ifollow anyway?
Not legally; if you pay £140 per year as an ‘overseas’ customer you can stream any game provided that you, or more pertinently your IP address, is outside the UK. Up until now, this rule has been relatively easy to circumvent through the use of VPNs which for the uninitiated allow you to spoof your location to make it look as though you are watching from outside the UK. VPNs are actually relatively easy for service providers to detect, however I’ve always been of the opinion that iFollow have been happy to turn a blind eye given that clamping down would negatively impact their revenue. Given the shift in the landscape and the iFollow revenue model, it may turn out to be more difficult to play the system than it has historically been. |
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I don't understand this £10 for season ticket holders to watch away games on Ifollow, can't we normally watch away games on ifollow anyway?
Only if you live outside the UK and pay a subscription, or buy a match pass. Other games outside of a Saturday 3pm kick off are available to UK audiences, again with a match pass. That's how it usually works, but this season isn't usual. Of course, if you know how and have a VPN, you can get them all. |
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Does the pack mention toilet access?
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Does the pack mention toilet access?
Yes, using JF's council connections they have installed the 20p a go turnstiles from the redundant toilets on the sea front. There will be an attendant though offering something for the weekend and fresh towels , sanitizer and aftershave. |
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Does the pack mention toilet access?
You need to pre-book the toilet for half time to stop the wife and kids using up the window. |
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Really, really disappointing that the club have put all season tickets up around £15 rather than a flat percentage on all ticket types.
An Adult ST in the Pontoon has gone up from £325 to £340 (a 4.6% increase).
A Kids (under 14) ST has gone up from £70 to £85 (a 21.4% increase).
It really doesn't seem right or fair that "Dave" who goes on his own is paying an extra 4.6%, but "Mrs Smith" who buys 1 adult STs & 3 kids STs have seen their prices rise from £535 to £595 which is an increase of 11.2%
The club should be encouraging the younger generation by making it affordable for their parents to bring them. But they choose to use them as a cash cow.
And the Trust say and do nothing as usual.
It would be fairer if the club just increased all prices by the same percentage. Maybe 6%?
That way everybody is paying the same increase in terms of percentage.
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Really, really disappointing that the club have put all season tickets up around £15 rather than a flat percentage on all ticket types.
An Adult ST in the Pontoon has gone up from £325 to £340 (a 4.6% increase).
A Kids (under 14) ST has gone up from £70 to £85 (a 21.4% increase).
It really doesn't seem right or fair that "Dave" who goes on his own is paying an extra 4.6%, but "Mrs Smith" who buys 1 adult STs & 3 kids STs have seen their prices rise from £535 to £595 which is an increase of 11.2%
The club should be encouraging the younger generation by making it affordable for their parents to bring them. But they choose to use them as a cash cow.
And the Trust say and do nothing as usual.
It would be fairer if the club just increased all prices by the same percentage. Maybe 6%?
That way everybody is paying the same increase in terms of percentage.
Cue the comments of; “In these difficult times the clubs needs to generate income” “Where else do you think the club will make cash” “I’ll happily pay that small increase if it means the club exists” “If you don’t like it, don’t pay it. What else did you want the club to do” I mean there’s a whole raft of comments people will come out with in response to your answer but I do get your point and whilst the club does need to recoup some cash lost, putting up ST does seem like a bit of a kick in the twit...especially when many fans dipped their hands in to their pockets for that campaign thing... |
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The club did this when we got promoted, £20 increase on every season ticket and £2 increase on match tickets so the child tickets face a bigger % increase than the adult season tickets
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Cue the comments of;
“In these difficult times the clubs needs to generate income”
“Where else do you think the club will make cash”
“I’ll happily pay that small increase if it means the club exists”
“If you don’t like it, don’t pay it. What else did you want the club to do”
I mean there’s a whole raft of comments people will come out with in response to your answer but I do get your point and whilst the club does need to recoup some cash lost, putting up ST does seem like a bit of a kick in the twit...especially when many fans dipped their hands in to their pockets for that campaign thing...
I'm not complaining that they've gone up. But putting up Kids ST prices by 21.4% is disgraceful when an Adult ST has only gone up by 4.6%. |
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The club did this when we got promoted, £20 increase on every season ticket and £2 increase on match tickets so the child tickets face a bigger % increase than the adult season tickets
Exactly. And the trust do and say nothing AGAIN. What is their purpose exactly? |
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Really, really disappointing that the club have put all season tickets up around £15 rather than a flat percentage on all ticket types.
An Adult ST in the Pontoon has gone up from £325 to £340 (a 4.6% increase).
A Kids (under 14) ST has gone up from £70 to £85 (a 21.4% increase).
It really doesn't seem right or fair that "Dave" who goes on his own is paying an extra 4.6%, but "Mrs Smith" who buys 1 adult STs & 3 kids STs have seen their prices rise from £535 to £595 which is an increase of 11.2%
The club should be encouraging the younger generation by making it affordable for their parents to bring them. But they choose to use them as a cash cow.
And the Trust say and do nothing as usual.
It would be fairer if the club just increased all prices by the same percentage. Maybe 6%?
That way everybody is paying the same increase in terms of percentage.
Totally expected really, the club take take take. Less facilities, lesser squad, random seat and i would imagine a lot less enjoyable matchday experience with more restrictions in place, 85% of supporters not taking the refund they were entitled to, crowdfunding, share sales, the club has financial plans in place for every scenario, the club will survive this 100%, fantastic support.. etc etc ............ so we will just put the prices up regardless, cancel any discount schemes and ignore the fact that the paying public have also experienced COVID and incomes have been severley effected in some households. There was a strong argument to not support the crowdfundng due to the previous slap in the face following O.P .......the board show again the fans are just a cash cow. Keep your eyes on the end of year finances. |
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Really, really disappointing that the club have put all season tickets up around £15 rather than a flat percentage on all ticket types.
An Adult ST in the Pontoon has gone up from £325 to £340 (a 4.6% increase).
A Kids (under 14) ST has gone up from £70 to £85 (a 21.4% increase).
It really doesn't seem right or fair that "Dave" who goes on his own is paying an extra 4.6%, but "Mrs Smith" who buys 1 adult STs & 3 kids STs have seen their prices rise from £535 to £595 which is an increase of 11.2%
The club should be encouraging the younger generation by making it affordable for their parents to bring them. But they choose to use them as a cash cow.
And the Trust say and do nothing as usual.
It would be fairer if the club just increased all prices by the same percentage. Maybe 6%?
That way everybody is paying the same increase in terms of percentage.
Don’t think it’s fair to play the % increase game. It’s £15 more for Christ’s sake. Less than £1 a match assuming the games are played. How much do kids spend on mobile phones and internet gaming? Bet it’s more than 50p a week. |
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Totally expected really, the club take take take. Less facilities, lesser squad, random seat and i would imagine a lot less enjoyable matchday experience with more restrictions in place, 85% of supporters not taking the refund they were entitled to, crowdfunding, share sales, the club has financial plans in place for every scenario, the club will survive this 100%, fantastic support.. etc etc ............ so we will just put the prices up regardless, cancel any discount schemes and ignore the fact that the paying public have also experienced COVID and incomes have been severley effected in some households.
There was a strong argument to not support the crowdfundng due to the previous slap in the face following O.P .......the board show again the fans are just a cash cow. Keep your eyes on the end of year finances.
There was also strong criticism of people who dared to oppose giving to a crowdfunder & actually requesting were the monies would be spent. |
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Exactly. And the trust do and say nothing AGAIN. What is their purpose exactly?
I have in the past been quite a vocal critic of the trust, I totally appreciate they are all volunteers and care greatly about the club and it is admirable and commendable that they give up their free time for the club but I do feel they are too cosy with the club, and this is just another example. |
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Don’t think it’s fair to play the % increase game. It’s £15 more for Christ’s sake. Less than £1 a match assuming the games are played. How much do kids spend on mobile phones and internet gaming? Bet it’s more than 50p a week.
How is it not fair "to play the % increase game"? Lets look at Kids season ticket prices... 2013/14 - £20 2014/15 - £50 2016/17 - £70 2020/21 - £85 In 7 years Kids season ticket prices have gone up 325%. That is absolutely disgusting. The club are using Kids as a cash cow to be exploited. From memory an adult season ticket was £285 back in 2013/14 and is £340 now. An increase of 19.3%. How can anybody think this is justifiable? |
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Got my pack yesterday (sat) , no ST application form.
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I'm a season ticket holder, but with so many imponderables this season, I can't agree to these t&c's, so I'll probably give it a miss this season, or see how things pan out and maybe consider a half season ticket later on. I know the club are trying their best, but with these arrangements in place, many other season ticket holders I know, feel the same, as we all sit together, and it's the social aspect we're going to miss as well.....Sorry to say, but given these circumstances i'd be surprised if more than 2000 renew.
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I'm a season ticket holder, but with so many imponderables this season, I can't agree to these t&c's, so I'll probably give it a miss this season, or see how things pan out and maybe consider a half season ticket later on. I know the club are trying their best, but with these arrangements in place, many other season ticket holders I know, feel the same, as we all sit together, and it's the social aspect we're going to miss as well.....Sorry to say, but given these circumstances i'd be surprised if more than 2000 renew.
Spoke to my nephew yesterday, a long term season ticket holder, and he says he'll probably give it a miss this season, though will still attend when the shackles are lifted. Too many imponderables for some i guess, but i think for every previous regular that decides against one, someone else will fill their shoes. I reckon they will all sell myself. Think it will be the older, more vulnerable supporters that think twice, but younger fans will buy one just to get to see some games. I am however a bit baffled by the price rises, given the current state of the economy and the fact that inflation has been at it's lowest for yonks. Seems a bit of a kick in the goolies to me. |
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I wonder if we will end up doing similar: "Cheltenham Season tickets set to go temporarily off sale."https://www.ctfc.com/news/2020/august/season-tickets-set-to-go-temporarily-off-sale/
They have the luxury of being a month ahead and have had a 'positive' response on renewals. They can now sort out their bubbles and match further applications to available spaces. This potential clarity should avoid the dreaded ballot process. Even though I'm a lone, flask smuggling, 70 year old exile I'm prepared to put up with temporary disruption if it enables family groups to be together. The young have been hit hard and there will be difficult choices for many households. |
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I completely understand not being happy with a price increase in the current climate, but season tickets are limited and we need to maximise income. The chairman said yesterday that the projection is £1 million lower income this season. Yet we still need to somehow be competitive, the only option is to charge more and hope the limited supply means they will all sell.
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The cost is always pushed back on to the fans and think that’s what frustrates people.
I appreciate not everyone donated to the crowd funder, and those people had valid reasons, but nonetheless, £200k was raised and then add a price increase to ST and some folk just wont be able to justify it.
I’m not saying for a minute that directors and the like should be made to dip their hands in their pockets but perhaps a statement of goodwill on their part would help.
I think the short notice may deter some from purchasing but then others may capitalise on that. There could also be others that won’t return until its normal again.
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I completely understand not being happy with a price increase in the current climate, but season tickets are limited and we need to maximise income. The chairman said yesterday that the projection is £1 million lower income this season. Yet we still need to somehow be competitive, the only option is to charge more and hope the limited supply means they will all sell.
If only we were beholden to a rich owner on the condition that he guarantees the club’s survival in financial hardship. |
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I completely understand not being happy with a price increase in the current climate, but season tickets are limited and we need to maximise income. The chairman said yesterday that the projection is £1 million lower income this season. Yet we still need to somehow be competitive, the only option is to charge more and hope the limited supply means they will all sell.
Ohhhhh.....so because the club is looking at a downturn in income the remaining customers pay more to make up the difference ??? Fck that line of thinking. When the club has a succesful season and makes a profit do they return money to fans ? do they even give them a cheaper deal the next season ? Do they fck, they increase prices even more. It is the boards every decision that effects where this club is going yet they dont have to pay for their mistakes, we do. |
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I'm a season ticket holder, but with so many imponderables this season, I can't agree to these t&c's, so I'll probably give it a miss this season, or see how things pan out and maybe consider a half season ticket later on. I know the club are trying their best, but with these arrangements in place, many other season ticket holders I know, feel the same, as we all sit together, and it's the social aspect we're going to miss as well.....Sorry to say, but given these circumstances i'd be surprised if more than 2000 renew.
Feel exactly the same the club are expecting the supporters to take all the risks if the season is curtailed early,I quite well off but I cannot justify this risk never mind someone who is struggling financially, after 25 years giving it a miss. |
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With a reduced capacity, filling the ground with cheaper kids tickets will cripple our finances even more. The club need to be pragmatic and balance reduced capacity with revenue generation. £85 for 22 games (ignoring the first non attendance) works out at less than £4 per game. That’s still damn good value.
But ok, let’s find yet another reason to bash the club.
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I won't be renewing this season, I'm happy to watch the games on iFollow until everything get's back to sort of normal.
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With a reduced capacity, filling the ground with cheaper kids tickets will cripple our finances even more. The club need to be pragmatic and balance reduced capacity with revenue generation. £85 for 22 games (ignoring the first non attendance) works out at less than £4 per game. That’s still damn good value.
But ok, let’s find yet another reason to bash the club.
When you break it down that’s cheap but assuming that junior ticket is purchased with at least one adult ticket, in the short turn around it is a lot of money to get hold of. Literally pushing it back on to us because the club have predicted a short fall whilst nobody else is expected or seemingly willing to put additional cash in, you can see why some aren’t happy. It’s not club bashing though really, it’s just people posing questions and giving their opinion... Club bashing would be complaining that nobody involved in the club has offered, or would appear to not have, put anything in. They’ve just sat back and allowed the fans to dip their hands in their pockets... |
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An Adult ST in the Pontoon has gone up from £325 to £340 (a 4.6% increase).
A Kids (under 14) ST has gone up from £70 to £85 (a 21.4% increase).
Look at it another way. The club are losing out by selling cheaper tickets for kids.
If the club sold 2000 adult season tickets at £340 each that equates to £680,000 in the coffers.
Now if they sold 1000 adult season tickets and a thousand kids season tickets the club would still have sold the same number of seats but will take just £425,000 losing out on potentially £255,000.
And people are moaning about the kids tickets going up £15 per season, about 70 pence per game.
Imagine what an extra quarter of a million could do for the club over the coming season?
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When you break it down that’s cheap but assuming that junior ticket is purchased with at least one adult ticket, in the short turn around it is a lot of money to get hold of.
Literally pushing it back on to us because the club have predicted a short fall whilst nobody else is expected or seemingly willing to put additional cash in, you can see why some aren’t happy.
It’s not club bashing though really, it’s just people posing questions and giving their opinion...
Club bashing would be complaining that nobody involved in the club has offered, or would appear to not have, put anything in. They’ve just sat back and allowed the fans to dip their hands in their pockets...
Good post. There's no unaccompanied kids season tickets this season. 1 adult & 1 kids ST was £395 last season. This season it's gone up to £445. A 12.7% rise. As I have posted previously 1 adult ST has gone up from £325 to £340. An increase of just 4.6%. I am not arguing against a fair price increase, but this increase is not fair. A fair increase would be an even X% increase across all season tickets. And I've said this before, Shutes' consortium was expected to show he had the funds to see the club through a downturn in fortunes, but the current regime just get the begging bowl out. And what's worse is they get the Trust to do it on their behalf. It will be very interesting to see the accounts for 2019/20 & the coming season when they are published this November and the following year and see if Fenty has actually returned some of the money that was repaid to him in the good times to cover the bad times. I'm not sure how the published T&C on the season tickets would stand up against relevant consumer protection laws if this season was aborted. I don't want to go all Martin Lewis on here, but I would suggest those able to purchase using a credit card rather than debit card as it will offer more protection if the worst happens this season. The Office of Fair Trade has previously taken legal action against football clubs in relation to their season ticket conditions which place consumers at an unfair advantage. Charging them for 23 matches and possibly having the season aborted at any time could certainly be considered to place consumers at an unfair advantage, The club have acted appallingly in my opinion. |
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I won't be renewing this season, I'm happy to watch the games on iFollow until everything get's back to sort of normal.
This is my thought exactly, although I don’t have a season ticket anyway. I had the pleasure (😢) of being on Cleethorpes seafront today, and other than Armed Forces Weekend I have never seen it like that, ever. The weather was cack for August, yet everywhere was shoulder-to-shoulder madness. We went in the arcades and I would say 50% of the adults completely ignored the ‘request’ for face masks, nobody gave a sh#t, it was incredible! On this basis, why on earth should the club worry about ‘bubbles’ and all that nonsense? Get football, and life in general, back on track, and get 8,000 in for the Bradford game. This country has been crippled for far too long, and for what? Trust me, for no good reason, football is back of the queue for returning to normality. Other than the signs about COVID , which were being ignored, you would never have known there was a crisis today. We have to move on. But if football fans have to live through this charade, I’ll skip it until it’s back to normal. |
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With regards to bubbles:
My missus teaches year one kids at a school in Grimsby. On Tuesday she will return to teaching a whole class for the first time since March and will bubble with around 60 other people whilst at work. Those 60 people are - according to the rules - allowed to bubble with another household socially. If we go off government stats the average household consists of 2.4 people. Therefore the bubble my missus is part of will be approx 288 people.
I work closely with 8 others but share tooling, computers and rest areas with up to 150 others. Doing the maths out again and my bubble is 360 people. So in effect our bubble for us two is 650ish+ people. That doesn’t factor in her mum who is also a teacher and also in our bubble.
I would love the Govt (who we both indirectly work for) to explain why I might have to ‘win’ my season ticket in a ballot for this season.
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I think it’s a valid point. As with schools, gigs, even bloody buying shopping, the guidance has always been Woolley at best and in some places people are fed up.
Recently they bigger up that socially distanced Sam Fender gig as a success...deep down everyone knows it wasn’t. If you wanna sit at a table in a ‘bubble’ for a gig go to see a show in Vegas.
Football will be the same, I do wonder if people will swerve it until it’s what we normally get. The time slots to turn up, the probably unnecessary one way system, the convoluted seating arrangement, I just wondering folk will just say “intercourse it” and not go.
On the other hand I’m sure there are folk chomping at the bit to go...
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Each to their own.
Im sure this season, with it hopefully being Ollie's first full season with us, if STH from previous years want to give it a miss this season, then I'm pretty sure any shortfall in numbers will be taken up by new STH.
Even if numbers are down, just going on what people say on here, if 500 stream each match on iFollow, then that's between 3 and 4 grand wending it's way to GTFC every game. If a 1000 stream it, between 6 and 8 grand on top of the individual match season ticket money. In these times of belt tightening, that's nothing to be sniffed at.
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With regards to bubbles:
My missus teaches year one kids at a school in Grimsby. On Tuesday she will return to teaching a whole class for the first time since March and will bubble with around 60 other people whilst at work. Those 60 people are - according to the rules - allowed to bubble with another household socially. If we go off government stats the average household consists of 2.4 people. Therefore the bubble my missus is part of will be approx 288 people.
I work closely with 8 others but share tooling, computers and rest areas with up to 150 others. Doing the maths out again and my bubble is 360 people. So in effect our bubble for us two is 650ish+ people. That doesn’t factor in her mum who is also a teacher and also in our bubble.
I would love the Govt (who we both indirectly work for) to explain why I might have to ‘win’ my season ticket in a ballot for this season.
You make a valid point; the bubble situation is literally made up, or so it would appear. You mention schools, locally several schools are all doing different things, some have whole school bubbles, others class bubbles, year bubbles and the likes. All different sizes. As you say, many work places have again implemented a bubble system but of varying sizes and so forth, therefore it makes you wonder what the point is to implementing social bubbles and as you say, people having to possibly ‘win’ their season ticket. The folk around me at BP could be classed as one of my social bubbles yet I only see them in the pub on a match day or at BP, it’s highly unlikely I see them any other time...but they could effectively be my bubble within BP even though they’re not outside of BP. I think the policing of such things is likely to put incredible strain and pressure on the club when perhaps they’d be better off just selling the tickets in as normal was as possible... |
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With regards to bubbles:
My missus teaches year one kids at a school in Grimsby. On Tuesday she will return to teaching a whole class for the first time since March and will bubble with around 60 other people whilst at work. Those 60 people are - according to the rules - allowed to bubble with another household socially. If we go off government stats the average household consists of 2.4 people. Therefore the bubble my missus is part of will be approx 288 people.
I work closely with 8 others but share tooling, computers and rest areas with up to 150 others. Doing the maths out again and my bubble is 360 people. So in effect our bubble for us two is 650ish+ people. That doesn’t factor in her mum who is also a teacher and also in our bubble.
I would love the Govt (who we both indirectly work for) to explain why I might have to ‘win’ my season ticket in a ballot for this season.
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Please spare a thought for the Ancient Mariners - the over 75's.
Whilst I've not yet received my renewal pack, from what I've read
on here the price of my ticket in the Upper Youngs will be about
£100 more than it was last season.
My Saturday afternoon comprised an 80 mile round trip, a pint
with some mates before going to the ground and sitting in the
seat I have occupied since the stand was built. This experience
is a thing of the past.
None of this is the club's fault so I will almost certainly be renewing.
As I am now into my eighties I only hope I won't be allocated a seat
in Row Z.
If so the only mask I will be a bloody OXYGEN mask.
I won't even mention the word toilet otherwise I'll be off !
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If you restrict the childrens' season ticket availibilty too much you risk losing them to TV football which will be even more readily available than ever before. It might be a short term win to have the majority of the crowd adults but long term GTFC lose out.
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Please spare a thought for the Ancient Mariners - the over 75's.
Whilst I've not yet received my renewal pack, from what I've read
on here the price of my ticket in the Upper Youngs will be about
£100 more than it was last season.
My Saturday afternoon comprised an 80 mile round trip, a pint
with some mates before going to the ground and sitting in the
seat I have occupied since the stand was built. This experience
is a thing of the past.
None of this is the club's fault so I will almost certainly be renewing.
As I am now into my eighties I only hope I won't be allocated a seat
in Row Z.
If so the only mask I will be a bloody OXYGEN mask.
I won't even mention the word toilet otherwise I'll be off !
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Flasks will be multi use in the upper this season 😉 The pricing is a bit of a mess and clearly unfair. Are we going to hear the views of the Trust on this? I am assuming they were hugely involved in the decisions. |
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With regards to bubbles:
My missus teaches year one kids at a school in Grimsby. On Tuesday she will return to teaching a whole class for the first time since March and will bubble with around 60 other people whilst at work. Those 60 people are - according to the rules - allowed to bubble with another household socially. If we go off government stats the average household consists of 2.4 people. Therefore the bubble my missus is part of will be approx 288 people.
I work closely with 8 others but share tooling, computers and rest areas with up to 150 others. Doing the maths out again and my bubble is 360 people. So in effect our bubble for us two is 650ish+ people. That doesn’t factor in her mum who is also a teacher and also in our bubble.
I would love the Govt (who we both indirectly work for) to explain why I might have to ‘win’ my season ticket in a ballot for this season.
I work in a school down south, we're being operated In bubbles within year groups. So give my year group for example.. I have 30 children and 4 adults. Each one of thhem has a family at home. Giving my situation as an example as I am one of those 34 people in this bubble... I have a son at a different school who also has a year group bubble. I see my son and hug him etc so my year group has increased by 30, then youu have my sons family.. Then you have to think about everyone ellse who they're in contact with etc etc etc... I know its all to do with minimising the risk hence why they are trying to do these bubbles but I just feel the one place that should be allowed to go back to 'normal' is schools. Think of the children's mental health... Oh and obviously we're now not allowed to eat all together in the lunch hall, not allowed assemblies and only 4 members of staff are allowed in the staff room at a time (30 members of staff to eat within a space of an hour...) |
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This is my thought exactly, although I don’t have a season ticket anyway.
I had the pleasure (😢) of being on Cleethorpes seafront today, and other than Armed Forces Weekend I have never seen it like that, ever. The weather was cack for August, yet everywhere was shoulder-to-shoulder madness. We went in the arcades and I would say 50% of the adults completely ignored the ‘request’ for face masks, nobody gave a sh#t, it was incredible!
On this basis, why on earth should the club worry about ‘bubbles’ and all that nonsense? Get football, and life in general, back on track, and get 8,000 in for the Bradford game. This country has been crippled for far too long, and for what? Trust me, for no good reason, football is back of the queue for returning to normality. Other than the signs about COVID , which were being ignored, you would never have known there was a crisis today. We have to move on. But if football fans have to live through this charade, I’ll skip it until it’s back to normal.
I dont know why clubs have agreed to these restrictions. It is either safe to watch outdoor sport or it isnt. One way systems and bubbles? Ruining the very thing we go for - the comradery of the crowd - is it worth it? I obviously could understand it if we were having large numbers of deaths from the virus but if we can go to the pub we can go back to the match. |
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I dont know why clubs have agreed to these restrictions. It is either safe to watch outdoor sport or it isnt.
One way systems and bubbles? Ruining the very thing we go for - the comradery of the crowd - is it worth it?
I obviously could understand it if we were having large numbers of deaths from the virus but if we can go to the pub we can go back to the match.
I’m confused? What choice would the clubs have had? The rules will be set by the EFL on advice (legally binding unless I’m very much mistaken) from the Department of Health/Government. What do you expect the clubs to do exactly? Let everyone in, therefore getting fines, points deductions and possibly being thrown out of the league? I understand the frustration about the overall rule(s), but I don’t think the clubs have a choice. |
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I’m confused? What choice would the clubs have had? The rules will be set by the EFL on advice (legally binding unless I’m very much mistaken) from the Department of Health/Government.
What do you expect the clubs to do exactly? Let everyone in, therefore getting fines, points deductions and possibly being thrown out of the league?
I understand the frustration about the overall rule(s), but I don’t think the clubs have a choice.
Oh it's easy to capitulate. The clubs should have called it out for what it is - a lot of old nonsense. A reduced capacity maybe but then let adults make their own decisions. You couldn't expel all clubs if they said no. |
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Oh it's easy to capitulate. The clubs should have called it out for what it is - a lot of old nonsense.
A reduced capacity maybe but then let adults make their own decisions.
You couldn't expel all clubs if they said no.
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I dont know why clubs have agreed to these restrictions. It is either safe to watch outdoor sport or it isnt.
One way systems and bubbles? Ruining the very thing we go for - the comradery of the crowd - is it worth it?
I obviously could understand it if we were having large numbers of deaths from the virus but if we can go to the pub we can go back to the match.
They have no choice do they? Isn't it the the remit of this wonderful government you support that is driving these restrictions? The whole lockdown/non lockdown is a complete shambles and has been from day one. The things you are allowed to do or not allowed to do don't make any sense at all. Everyone is confused, none more so than the government. Maybe they will do another of their u turns, probably on the eve of the season to cause maximum confusion. |
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They have no choice do they? Isn't it the the remit of this wonderful government you support that is driving these restrictions? The whole lockdown/non lockdown is a complete shambles and has been from day one. The things you are allowed to do or not allowed to do don't make any sense at all. Everyone is confused, none more so than the government. Maybe they will do another of their u turns, probably on the eve of the season to cause maximum confusion.
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Oh it's easy to capitulate. The clubs should have called it out for what it is - a lot of old nonsense.
A reduced capacity maybe but then let adults make their own decisions.
You couldn't expel all clubs if they said no.
It’s mental that we’re 8 months into this pandemic and people like you still haven’t grasped the most basic aspects of it. It isn’t about individual decisions - it’s about the impact that those individual decisions then have on those around you. When people cram into a football ground then get the bus home, go to work the next day, visit relatives or go shopping, that’s the problem. The country doesn’t have the infrastructure to deal with a pandemic, you may have missed this but I think it may have been on the news recently. |
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We could end up paying over £300 for a season ticket,there could be a second surge in Oct Nov grounds shut again,no refunds those few games that were played could work out very expensive.
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Maybe they will do another of their u turns, probably on the eve of the season to cause maximum confusion.
Friday nights around 10pm seem to be their favoured point to announce some new regulation in an adhoc manner. |
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Got my pack on Saturday and wanted to have a good read of it and take it all in before really making a comment on it.
On one hand, it's important to remember just how tricky the situation is. When it comes to capacity and bubbles, the club are bound by what they're told. There isn't wiggle room here, the club aren't doing it for the sake of it. Skaface's point about why this is happening is also very valid, make no mistake the threat is still there. We can dismiss it, we can sneer at the actual number of cases at present all we like. But it doesn't change the fact that if a real pandemic hits, we won't cope as a country.
I then also understand that the club are automatically looking at a reduction in the number of season tickets they've sold straight away - from 2500 to 2000. 25% cut in income straight away, that's from the bread and butter that they probably bank on each year coming in. Then you add that once those tickets are sold, that's it. You're no getting anyone else in. Even rounding it down, it's a 50% hit minimum. Added to that a period of 6 months with no income at all really bar shirt sales. It's grim reading for a club that doesn't have a lot of rainy day reserves.
But then at the back of my mind I can't help have this little nagging thought about how Day said something along the lines that the club could survive without matchday revenue for a year if needed. If that's the case, why hit the fans with an increase now? Equally so (as others have said) why was Fenty asking for evidence that prospective buyers have the reserves to deal with such circumstances if there doesn't appear to be an appetite for this board to do the same?
Added to this the crowdfunder and the donations from season ticket holders who didn't want a refund, it feels another slap in the face. I waived my right to a refund and would do it again, I know there was talk of some form of compensation of sorts which I thought at best would be slightly reduced season ticket price this season. I didn't expect that and I'm not complaining we haven't got it. But to make the gesture ourselves and then be hit with an actual increase....Hmm, leaves a bit of a bitter taste doesn't it?
Stating that there's no refund is pretty poor all round, I think this is the bit that really annoyed me. I think even if the club curtailed games after one game I would be accepting that the club would need that money and I'd probably write it off again (this time probably expecting a significant reduction when things returned to normal) but it's the fact they're stating it that gets me. Sometimes I don't think the club actually realise that without us, the fans, they're nothing.
The fact we can't sit in our normal seats, it's not something the club can control. The fact we might have to get into the ground at a set time, it's not something the club can control. None of the actual details are anything we can blame the club for.
How they process this whole thing in terms of sales is something they can control though. Again, fully accepting that it's not easy and I wouldn't for the life of me want the job card of sorting out the bubbles in the ground. But I think the club have shot themselves in the foot a bit here.
Frustrated is probably the word I would use rather than angry. Personally, I'll probably look to renew. I think the club will have a number of spaces available, solely based on the number of people I've spoken to who will are going to wait before going back. I think we'll sell the majority of the seats but it wouldn't at all surprise me if we don't actually reach the capacity of tickets.
Slightly off note, I can't see that the reduced capacity will remain for long at all. Not saying I agree or disagree but too many things are returning to 'normal' with less social distancing going on than what you would get in football grounds. Not sure how it's working at Premier League level regards ticket sales but that's where the pressure will tell, you can be sure that once the big guns start grumbling then the Government will start to sit up and (as they're showing a penchant for) bending over to popular/media opinion.
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It’s mental that we’re 8 months into this pandemic and people like you still haven’t grasped the most basic aspects of it.
It isn’t about individual decisions - it’s about the impact that those individual decisions then have on those around you. When people cram into a football ground then get the bus home, go to work the next day, visit relatives or go shopping, that’s the problem. The country doesn’t have the infrastructure to deal with a pandemic, you may have missed this but I think it may have been on the news recently.
I think people like you are a bit behind the times. We were told we needed to lockdown to flatten the curve and protect the NHS. We have done both and the curve is as flat as a snakes belly. Explain the difference between going into a crowded pub then home on the bus to going to a match in the outdoors and then getting home by bus? |
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Explain the difference between going into a crowded pub then home on the bus to going to a match in the outdoors and then getting home by bus?
Not many pubs with a 60,000 person capacity would be my initial observation... |
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Not many pubs with a 60,000 person capacity would be my initial observation...
My observation would be that there are hundreds of thousands going into crowded pubs every Saturday night.. |
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Side note...has anyone found the link to put your purchase in online as per the pack sent out...
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I wouldn't buy a season ticket this season noo matter what. Simple reason being we are going to go back to lockdown...
Those extra buildings they've created with 1000s of beds and ventilators that have hardly been used yet weren't built for the first wave, they where built and prepared quickly ready for the second wave which willl arrive around October / November.
Anyone here work for the NHS? You'll be aware I'm sure that as of April they refused anyone within the NHS to book any time off in November this year. I wonder why... 🤐
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I wouldn't buy a season ticket this season noo matter what. Simple reason being we are going to go back to lockdown...
Those extra buildings they've created with 1000s of beds and ventilators that have hardly been used yet weren't built for the first wave, they where built and prepared quickly ready for the second wave which willl arrive around October / November.
Anyone here work for the NHS? You'll be aware I'm sure that as of April they refused anyone within the NHS to book any time off in November this year. I wonder why... 🤐
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All in the same one?
It doesn't matter does it? In Grimsby alone there will be many more that go to the pub than to the match. I ask again - going a match in the open air is better than going into a crowded pub where their inhibitions will be relaxed due to alcohol so what is the difference? |
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Well if you’ve got 60,000 sat next to each other for 2 hours, or 100 people in a space where social distancing is enforced, then yeah it probably makes a difference.
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The cost is always pushed back on to the fans and think that’s what frustrates people.
I appreciate not everyone donated to the crowd funder, and those people had valid reasons, but nonetheless, £200k was raised and then add a price increase to ST and some folk just wont be able to justify it.
I’m not saying for a minute that directors and the like should be made to dip their hands in their pockets but perhaps a statement of goodwill on their part would help.
I think the short notice may deter some from purchasing but then others may capitalise on that. There could also be others that won’t return until its normal again.
But surely the football is for the fans and while I agree there has to be a limit to what increases can be afforded or tolerated the fact remains that it's the fans income that keeps the club afloat. We are living in difficult times down to the pandemic but it is the survival of our club that is at risk. I got my season ticket today and look forward to finally seeing live football again. I'm a pensioner and although I have a small private pension I certainly don't live in the lap of luxury. But I do want to continue seeing the football club of my home town, so I regard any moderate increase a small price to pay for that opportunity. |
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Well if you’ve got 60,000 sat next to each other for 2 hours, or 100 people in a space where social distancing is enforced, then yeah it probably makes a difference.
You are floundering a bit. Social distancing in a pub? What about those people who go to several pubs? Going to a match in the open air is safer than doing a lot of things, or at least on a par, with things we can do with fewer restrictions. |
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I wouldn't buy a season ticket this season noo matter what. Simple reason being we are going to go back to lockdown...
Those extra buildings they've created with 1000s of beds and ventilators that have hardly been used yet weren't built for the first wave, they where built and prepared quickly ready for the second wave which willl arrive around October / November.
Anyone here work for the NHS? You'll be aware I'm sure that as of April they refused anyone within the NHS to book any time off in November this year. I wonder why... 🤐
They were built as a distraction. Like everything this government do. They try and distract the public from their own failings and incompetence by getting them (often with the help of the friendly right wing print media) to look over there and be either proud or (more often) angry at something else. Building Nightingale Hospitals. BBC having to charge pensioners for a TV licence. Vilifying refugees trying the cross the channel. Accusing BBC of "banning" patriot songs at the Proms. When all this started their distraction was "well look at Italy and Spain, it's not as bad as it is over there is it?" And when that quickly changed and we were hit as bad (and then worse) than every other country in Europe they distracted the public by building ICU hospitals they knew they would never need to use and supporting people in the clap every Thursday for the NHS and key workers. Burying bad news on a big news day is not a new tactic by any means. But this government does it shamelessly and often generates the distraction news themselves. |
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You are floundering a bit. Social distancing in a pub? What about those people who go to several pubs?
Going to a match in the open air is safer than doing a lot of things, or at least on a par, with things we can do with fewer restrictions.
You been in many pubs recently? The one I was in last weekend was all seated, tables about 2m apart, limited capacity, table service only, hand sanitiser on entry & every table, cashless & everyone had to check in on entry. Easily done somewhere small & under threat of losing a license if not adhered to. How do you apply that to a football ground? Forgive my ignorance, Prof Whitty, but surely if going to a match was on par with being in a pub or restaurant, we’d all be going on Saturday wouldn’t we? |
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But surely the football is for the fans and while I agree there has to be a limit to what increases can be afforded or tolerated the fact remains that it's the fans income that keeps the club afloat. We are living in difficult times down to the pandemic but it is the survival of our club that is at risk.
I got my season ticket today and look forward to finally seeing live football again. I'm a pensioner and although I have a small private pension I certainly don't live in the lap of luxury. But I do want to continue seeing the football club of my home town, so I regard any moderate increase a small price to pay for that opportunity.
Yeah it is, but anything over and above what keeps us afloat (which isn't a great deal to begin with, hence the club embracing the salary cap) seems to disappear out of the accounts. During times of surplus, money has been recouped. During times of strife, the fans can pay for the shortfall, even after stumping up £200.000 over the summer. How can they justify this rise during these times and with inflation running at virtually zero? It's a big kick in the nethers. Still, if everyone blindly accepts the situation, they will just keep on doing it. |
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I hope I'm wrong.
I haven't read the full thread, speed read your comments, forgive me it's already been stated, but the nightingale hospitals you referenced have been decommissioned and emptied of all the beds and ICU equipment. I'd be surprised to see anywhere normal gates throughout the 20/21 so if purchasing a season ticket allied a modicum of a competitive budget I will be buying one and I am quite happy to forgo any refund, which I know me happily accept as a condition of the purchase of the country does go into full lockdown and the season is again curtailed early. |
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I wouldn't buy a season ticket this season noo matter what. Simple reason being we are going to go back to lockdown...
Those extra buildings they've created with 1000s of beds and ventilators that have hardly been used yet weren't built for the first wave, they where built and prepared quickly ready for the second wave which willl arrive around October / November.
Anyone here work for the NHS? You'll be aware I'm sure that as of April they refused anyone within the NHS to book any time off in November this year. I wonder why... 🤐
You're making it sound like some sort of conspiracy theory. There was always a risk that there would be second wave in winter, since, generally speaking, these sorts of diseases are much more prone to spread due to colder weather, etc. The chances are that they were erring on the side of caution with booking time off for that reason. As Northbank mentioned tho, the Nightingale hospitals have all been decommissioned now (rightly or wrongly, i think the latter but that's irrelevant). |
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You been in many pubs recently?
The one I was in last weekend was all seated, tables about 2m apart, limited capacity, table service only, hand sanitiser on entry & every table, cashless & everyone had to check in on entry. Easily done somewhere small & under threat of losing a license if not adhered to. How do you apply that to a football ground?
Forgive my ignorance, Prof Whitty, but surely if going to a match was on par with being in a pub or restaurant, we’d all be going on Saturday wouldn’t we?
I go to the match. Simple social distancing fair enough. Everyone has to check in on entry through a season ticket or match day ticket. I take my own Mars bar and flask for half time. Simple and easily done so why cannot everyone go to the match if they wish, in Town's case say 4,500 ? What do you reckon Ska, or may I call you Wolfie ? |
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I wouldn't buy a season ticket this season noo matter what. Simple reason being we are going to go back to lockdown...
Those extra buildings they've created with 1000s of beds and ventilators that have hardly been used yet weren't built for the first wave, they where built and prepared quickly ready for the second wave which willl arrive around October / November.
Anyone here work for the NHS? You'll be aware I'm sure that as of April they refused anyone within the NHS to book any time off in November this year. I wonder why... 🤐
Whether we go into a second lockdown or not (which personally I don’t think will happen, they will just do local lockdowns as they currently are doing), you’re trying to tell me that a government who despite for years of warnings that this was something that might happen, didn’t have enough PPE to last for more than a few weeks, with no contingency plan, and no where near enough ventilators for the first wave, spent time and millions of pounds getting these Nightingale Hospitals ready months and months in advance of a second wave? I think you seriously misjudge how this government (and previous governments) work. A project being completed months in advance of when it ‘might’ be needed? Not a chance IMHO. They were being done and set up so quickly for the first wave. Nothing to do with a future wave, although them being done might well be beneficial if this happens. |
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I haven't read the full thread, speed read your comments, forgive me it's already been stated, but the nightingale hospitals you referenced have been decommissioned and emptied of all the beds and ICU equipment. I'd be surprised to see anywhere normal gates throughout the 20/21 so if purchasing a season ticket allied a modicum of a competitive budget I will be buying one and I am quite happy to forgo any refund, which I know me happily accept as a condition of the purchase of the country does go into full lockdown and the season is again curtailed early.
Would you still be happy if the season was suspended on 1st October after 1 match (watched on iFollow) and then abandoned/cancelled and you have spent £340 on a season ticket with no refund according to the T&Cs? |
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Yeah it is, but anything over and above what keeps us afloat (which isn't a great deal to begin with, hence the club embracing the salary cap) seems to disappear out of the accounts. During times of surplus, money has been recouped. During times of strife, the fans can pay for the shortfall, even after stumping up £200.000 over the summer. How can they justify this rise during these times and with inflation running at virtually zero? It's a big kick in the nethers.
Still, if everyone blindly accepts the situation, they will just keep on doing it.
Your attitude comes over as not really supporting the club if it affects you. Football is a spectator sport and as such surely the spectators must pay to spectate. Maybe you would rather have sponsorship, advertising and cash contributions from the Board funding the club so that you can watch your team for nothing |
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Would you still be happy if the season was suspended on 1st October after 1 match (watched on iFollow) and then abandoned/cancelled and you have spent £340 on a season ticket with no refund according to the T&Cs?
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But surely the football is for the fans and while I agree there has to be a limit to what increases can be afforded or tolerated the fact remains that it's the fans income that keeps the club afloat. We are living in difficult times down to the pandemic but it is the survival of our club that is at risk.
I got my season ticket today and look forward to finally seeing live football again. I'm a pensioner and although I have a small private pension I certainly don't live in the lap of luxury. But I do want to continue seeing the football club of my home town, so I regard any moderate increase a small price to pay for that opportunity.
You actually bought one today? I thought they where quantifying demand first? |
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Your attitude comes over as not really supporting the club if it affects you. Football is a spectator sport and as such surely the spectators must pay to spectate. Maybe you would rather have sponsorship, advertising and cash contributions from the Board funding the club so that you can watch your team for nothing
Not about not supporting the club,but the terms and conditions means we pay whether spectate or not. |
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Having had the pick a few days now my own views have remained pretty much the same but after some conversations it would appear some fans aren’t financially prepared to take the risk that the season, however unlikely, could be curtailed.
I’ve also spoken to some fans who are quite angry at the lack of anything from the trust to say whether they were part of this, listened to or even support the process.
Again, 200k has been raised, which caused great debate on whether it should’ve been done etc. as predicted, little has really been made of this. Fans don’t do it to have smoke blown up just bottom but still, some ongoing recognition, especially as the club are now asking for more money for a season ticket, in what is likely to be a very odd season.
Could they have said that anyone who has had a ST for over say 25 years automatically got one? Does that make them more of a fan than someone else? Of course not but I guess it would recognise that person’s commitment, plenty of top end clubs do this and the rest of the fans just accept it. Do they like it? Probably not but it’s another perk of being a ST holder.
The club were never gonna please everyone and it’s a debate that will rumble on and I guess we’ll still be talking about it next year and for a long time yet.
The club have said you can pay/sign up online and then send the form but it’s impossible to find, if at all it exists. There will be some disappointed folk I think but we’re copulated as fans either way.
Someone made a valid point about Fenty and wanting proof of funds in case of something like this happening to keep the club going...any sign of the boards commitment to live up to their own request? It’s a valid point I guess.
And let’s face it, what we all wanna know is, when can we do away games again...they’re always a better day than home games.
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Havent even got my ST pack yet
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Not received my pack yet - someone on this thread is saying they’ve got their ticket. Do we have to go into the office to get it or can we get it online?
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Not received my pack yet - someone on this thread is saying they’ve got their ticket. Do we have to go into the office to get it or can we get it online?
I’m a bit confused now too .... |
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You don’t get a ticket surely? It’s not first come first served, it’s pay by next week and then if it goes over 2200 it’ll be a ballot, if not, your seat will be allocated.
It does say you can buy online and then send your form in.
It’s all a bit confusing...
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You don’t get a ticket surely? It’s not first come first served, it’s pay by next week and then if it goes over 2200 it’ll be a ballot, if not, your seat will be allocated.
It does say you can buy online and then send your form in.
It’s all a bit confusing...
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Not received my pack yet - someone on this thread is saying they’ve got their ticket. Do we have to go into the office to get it or can we get it online?
Nobodys got their ticket. Anyone who went to the club shop may have PAID for a ticket, or rather the chance of one. But ST,s wont be allocated till all applications are in. You cant choose what seat you want , so anyone expecting their usual seat will be dissapointed, they will be allocated to you by the club. All very confusing. |
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I mean cynically, I’m half expecting chums of the ticket office will likely get their seat or as close to...much like palace away when exiles ended up with white tickets but those in the know got some lovely seats in the middle.
In all seriousness though, it’s very confusing and the fact folk think by paying that they’ve actually got a ticket suggests it wasn’t very clear.
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All the replies are exactly why I asked. I didn’t expect anything other than confusion. Would like to know what the deal is with it so I can make space to go to BP to buy my £400 lottery ticket or wait for the carrier pigeon arrive from the club to send my application off.
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Your attitude comes over as not really supporting the club if it affects you. Football is a spectator sport and as such surely the spectators must pay to spectate. Maybe you would rather have sponsorship, advertising and cash contributions from the Board funding the club so that you can watch your team for nothing
I've supported the club for 48 years through the good and the bad. Don't expect anything for nothing, never have, never will. The situation we are in now is as bad as it's ever been, and the fans, myself included, have dug deep more than once, but from what I can see, the board members haven't put up anything for a long time. All the onus is on us again and if the season gets scrapped, then we lose our money. If you are happy with that then that's your choice. If the club is run on fan income, why do we even need this board? |
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GTFC are a football club and a business. They are in it to make money.
GTFC put season ticket and entry prices up every year without fail.
GTFC make their own T's and C's.
If you dont agree with their T+C's or their price structuring, DONT BUY A SEASON TICKET. Simple!
No amount of moaning will change anything.
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The FAQ's in the pack are pretty straightforward and ,now that they are on the OS too, available to non STH's. The bit about applying online for 'a pass' is puzzling however. Either way, the form has to be returned.
Kristine has also replied to some points raised but it does seem unusual that there is so little chat on FB and Twitter or follow up from the Trust. It's not so much a lack of clarity as a sense of weariness from the PR dept.
I have no doubt that Dave Roberts, Kristine and others who have given freely of their time during lockdown are working hard to secure our seats and accommodate as many of us as possible by October.
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If we say the average ST sold price this season will be £300 (and that's generous) and we say 2,200 are sold that's...
£300 x 2,200 = £660,000
If we estimate the average ST price rise is 6% then the price rise has got the club approximately an extra £38,000
John Fenty was repaid £650,000 by the club in the first 3 seasons back in the EFL.
Just saying!
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If we say the average ST sold price this season will be £300 (and that's generous) and we say 2,200 are sold that's...
£300 x 2,200 = £660,000
If we estimate the average ST price rise is 6% then the price rise has got the club approximately an extra £38,000
John Fenty was repaid £650,000 by the club in the first 3 seasons back in the EFL.
Just saying!
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Will he though? He’s been unusually quiet during all of this...
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With the club expected to make a 1mil loss this season JF will be putting it all back in and some
Really? So the Premier League isn't going to bail out the lower league clubs? |
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Really? So the Premier League isn't going to bail out the lower league clubs?
All we will ever get from the Prem/EFL/whoever is a loan, still has to be payed back  |
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Why are we waiting for someone else to bail us out when the current owner and non non chairman said he wanted proof of funds that any new owner could cover, financially, the club in these sorts of situations yet hasn’t done that himself...
We should the top flight even offer us a penny?
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Why are we waiting for someone else to bail us out when the current owner and non non chairman said he wanted proof of funds that any new owner could cover, financially, the club in these sorts of situations yet hasn’t done that himself...
We should the top flight even offer us a penny?
Well they already give every League Two club about £470,000 each per season don't they? |
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That was my understanding...but why are people obsessed with the top flight handing us cash?
It’s a nonsense, if we ever had a club and leaders forward thinking enough to take us there, if some no mark club like scunny came along and begged for cash for survival we wouldn’t bottom ourselves so why are we waiting now? The club have been given 200k additional money that wasn’t budgeted for...
This cap in hand act, not just from us is just becoming a bit of joke...
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That was my understanding...but why are people obsessed with the top flight handing us cash?
It’s a nonsense, if we ever had a club and leaders forward thinking enough to take us there, if some no mark club like scunny came along and begged for cash for survival we wouldn’t bottom ourselves so why are we waiting now? The club have been given 200k additional money that wasn’t budgeted for...
This cap in hand act, not just from us is just becoming a bit of joke...
Because most clubs aren't in our position and are very much more hand to mouth, don't have fans good/stupid enough to donate £200k and don't have a multi-millionaire owner who will bail the club out if necessary because if the club goes under his shareholding would instantly become worthless and he'd only get 25p in the £1 back from his "benign loan". When the EPL bail out the lower leagues what should Town do? Refuse the money? |
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Oh I’m under non illusions that we should take it, but as you said earlier, asking for cash to prop the club up when 200k has been raised and over 500k has gone out the club since returning to the league seems a little cheeky.
As you say, it’s not in Fenty’s interest to ever let the club end up in a mess else he literally never gets the loan back (sole may argue he’s had plenty back so far) but his silence during all this has actually been a surprise...
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Don't feel bad about accepting the Premier League's money. It won't be free. From what has been leaked the EFL will have to fall inline with them in their current war against the FA. See it more as a £500,000 per club bung to facilitate the abolishing of the rules on home grown players and to allow unrestricted work permits from January 1st 2021.
You might find a bail out will be a more long term agreement. Something like a 50% increase in solidarity payments going forward and the option of an advance of 25% to 33% from 2021/22 season solidarity payments. But like I said, at a cost to the EFL's independence in decision making.
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I received my season ticket pack in the post at the weekend. But, even before then, I had reached the conclusion that I was very unlikely to buy one this year. In many ways I did so reluctantly, because I'm optimistic about what we can achieve this season. But the main issue is that the number of non-Saturday games means it is not financially viable for me, with my work commitments and living a good two hours' drive from Blundell Park, to buy one. I can, and will, look to support the club in other ways until such time as things return to something more like normal and I would rather that someone who is able to get the most value out of it took a seat that I might have occupied.
More broadly, I understand many of the frustrations expressed in this thread about the pricing structure and how the whole issue has been handled. I would just make two observations. First, the most expensive adult season ticket at Blundell Park still costs less than the cheapest standing season ticket at my local National League club and other tickets are at least 30 per cent more expensive. Second, it does seem to me that there is more of an openness and transparency about the club's communications of late than there has been previously. I hope this is not a false dawn and I know it won't satisfy everyone. But I, for one, am more prepared to offer the benefit of the doubt than I might have been in previous years.
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I appreciate that put STs still aren’t as expensive as others but if you’re struggling financially or having to make sacrifices to purchase one that doesn’t really factor in to the thinking.
I guess for many fans that live out of town, deciding to purchase one will depend on how many games they can attend etc. out of curiosity, just how many more midweeks than normal is there this season?
There is some confusion though and of people think the club are transparent then perhaps they could pick up on that. I had two/three messages yesterday from people saying they’d purchased their ticket...they haven’t. They’ve paid and assuming less than 2200 buy one they’ll definitely get one, if it’s more then it’s a ballot.
A simple sentence like this would may be help. Just to clarify it again.
I understand the club couldn’t please all of the people and I get the importance of providing as much information as possible but that pack was a little overwhelming...
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I aint had a pack yet - what do I do
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I aint had a pack yet - what do I do
I haven't received my pack yet but I just went to the club yesterday, filled in the form and paid my money. |
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I appreciate that put STs still aren’t as expensive as others but if you’re struggling financially or having to make sacrifices to purchase one that doesn’t really factor in to the thinking.
I guess for many fans that live out of town, deciding to purchase one will depend on how many games they can attend etc. out of curiosity, just how many more midweeks than normal is there this season?
There is some confusion though and of people think the club are transparent then perhaps they could pick up on that. I had two/three messages yesterday from people saying they’d purchased their ticket...they haven’t. They’ve paid and assuming less than 2200 buy one they’ll definitely get one, if it’s more then it’s a ballot.
A simple sentence like this would may be help. Just to clarify it again.
I understand the club couldn’t please all of the people and I get the importance of providing as much information as possible but that pack was a little overwhelming...
But surely if the ground will only hold 2,000 then once that figure is reached then they won't sell any more? If they do sell more then they will have to refund the money for the excess. The only thing not guaranteed in buying a "ticket" is where you will sit. Because of the social distancing and the fact that so many from one social bubble can sit together, then the actual spacing can't be decided until the ticket response has been looked at. As I understand it from Steve Wraith yesterday then it won't be a ticket as such but more like the some of kindness of swipe card |
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Just been in to renew, nice to see a queue and people wanting to be back watching the Mariners again. I appreciate that everyone’s circumstances are different but it was good to see.
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But surely if the ground will only hold 2,000 then once that figure is reached then they won't sell any more? If they do sell more then they will have to refund the money for the excess. The only thing not guaranteed in buying a "ticket" is where you will sit. Because of the social distancing and the fact that so many from one social bubble can sit together, then the actual spacing can't be decided until the ticket response has been looked at. As I understand it from Steve Wraith yesterday then it won't be a ticket as such but more like the some of kindness of swipe card
But it doesn’t say first come first served...it says put in an application and if the 2200 is reached then all will be added to a ballot. |
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But it doesn’t say first come first served...it says put in an application and if the 2200 is reached then all will be added to a ballot.
That means then that if there are 2,500 applications then after the ballot there will be 300 refunds. Admittedly I haven't received my pack yet so I don't know the full details, only what Steve Wraith told me yesterday. Could be interesting if that is the situation. |
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Of course that’s whats going to happen. If they’ve ‘sold out’ of all of the tickets what would be the point of running a ballot for the excess?
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That means then that if there are 2,500 applications then after the ballot there will be 300 refunds. Admittedly I haven't received my pack yet so I don't know the full details, only what Steve Wraith told me yesterday. Could be interesting if that is the situation.
If the club are taking money now you'd imagine they must be pretty confident that demand will meet provision as issuing refunds to people who missed out will not a be a pretty experience. |
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Working on that assumption are we saying we only had 2200 STH last season, therefore assuming there’s enough to fulfil demand?
If we had 2500 last season and all renew then it will be a ballot.
No where on the forms does it say that at this state it’s first come first served regarding tickets...
It would help if they’d answer the phone, tried 6 times today to ask why I’ve only received one pack and to clarify something...
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Working on that assumption are we saying we only had 2200 STH last season, therefore assuming there’s enough to fulfil demand?
If we had 2500 last season and all renew then it will be a ballot.
No where on the forms does it say that at this state it’s first come first served regarding tickets...
It would help if they’d answer the phone, tried 6 times today to ask why I’ve only received one pack and to clarify something...
My dad called them at about 09.50 despite the 10am opening and they picked up. You would imagine that based upon previous years the club would have an idea regarding renewal rates versus take up, pre COVID with the IH effect it would have been bigger but now I’d suspect one factor will off set the other and renewals could stay the same % as previous years. So if usually 88% renew then based upon 2500 last year that would be 2200 |
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Working on that assumption are we saying we only had 2200 STH last season, therefore assuming there’s enough to fulfil demand?
If we had 2500 last season and all renew then it will be a ballot.
No where on the forms does it say that at this state it’s first come first served regarding tickets...
It would help if they’d answer the phone, tried 6 times today to ask why I’ve only received one pack and to clarify something...
On the FAQ sheet enclosed with the pack : Question - How will the club decide which supporters get to attend games in person if capacity is limited? Answer - Following the deadline of Friday September 11th, we will assess the number of applications from 2019/2020 season ticket holders and if this exceeds capacity, we will perform a ballot to allocate 2020/2021 season tickets. If allocation is below capacity, we will invite applications from all other supporters on arrival first come fist served basis. Judging by the uncertainty surrounding the situation regarding existing ST holders renewing then IMO it is quite likely that the 2200 places available won't be exceeded. If it is then things could be interesting as to how the club deal with the excess tickets sold. |
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On the FAQ sheet enclosed with the pack :
Question - How will the club decide which supporters get to attend games in person if capacity is limited?
Answer - Following the deadline of Friday September 11th, we will assess the number of applications from 2019/2020 season ticket holders and if this exceeds capacity, we will perform a ballot to allocate 2020/2021 season tickets. If allocation is below capacity, we will invite applications from all other supporters on arrival first come fist served basis.
Judging by the uncertainty surrounding the situation regarding existing ST holders renewing then IMO it is quite likely that the 2200 places available won't be exceeded. If it is then things could be interesting as to how the club deal with the excess tickets sold.
That’s my worry, I agree with what you’re saying but it seems a fair few folk are paying and assuming they’ve got their ticket...they haven’t. After next Friday one would assume that by at least Wednesday the following week you’d know either way. |
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Working on that assumption are we saying we only had 2200 STH last season, therefore assuming there’s enough to fulfil demand?
If we had 2500 last season and all renew then it will be a ballot.
No where on the forms does it say that at this state it’s first come first served regarding tickets...
It would help if they’d answer the phone, tried 6 times today to ask why I’ve only received one pack and to clarify something...
Probably saw your number come and thought, ‘nah, we’ll give that one a miss’ 😉 |
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We sold 2900 odd ST's last season. Think getting IH on board would have increased that number this season. I would have got one based on the way we were starting to play at the end of last season, but alas, i didn't get one last year, so won't be receiving a pack. The final numbers available will be determined by how many bubbles there are. The more bubbles, the more there will be available, but i think we will sell out personally.
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We sold 2900 odd ST's last season. Think getting IH on board would have increased that number this season. I would have got one based on the way we were starting to play at the end of last season, but alas, i didn't get one last year, so won't be receiving a pack. The final numbers available will be determined by how many bubbles there are. The more bubbles, the more there will be available, but i think we will sell out personally.
very true...if we are all billy no mates then the capacity will be well below 2200, also only fill in 1 form for everyone if you are in a bubble. Me and my mate both filled ours in...oops. |
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We sold 2900 odd ST's last season. Think getting IH on board would have increased that number this season. I would have got one based on the way we were starting to play at the end of last season, but alas, i didn't get one last year, so won't be receiving a pack. The final numbers available will be determined by how many bubbles there are. The more bubbles, the more there will be available, but i think we will sell out personally.
Isn't the opposite true? Can we not get more people in the ground if there are fewer bubbles which are larger in size than a greater number of small bubbles, as that means fewer seats have to remain empty in order to enforce so called social distancing? I'm not trying to be pedantic, that's just how I had it worked out in my head - conscious I may very well be wrong! |
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Isn't the opposite true? Can we not get more people in the ground if there are fewer bubbles which are larger in size than a greater number of small bubbles, as that means fewer seats have to remain empty in order to enforce so called social distancing?
I'm not trying to be pedantic, that's just how I had it worked out in my head - conscious I may very well be wrong!
I sort of expect the club to allocate as many seats as possible starting with the biggest bubbles first ie Sixes then fives, fours etc. Surely it’s in everyone’s interests for them to sell as many season tickets as possible. |
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Isn't the opposite true? Can we not get more people in the ground if there are fewer bubbles which are larger in size than a greater number of small bubbles, as that means fewer seats have to remain empty in order to enforce so called social distancing?
I'm not trying to be pedantic, that's just how I had it worked out in my head - conscious I may very well be wrong!
6 people in a bubble (I presume) then 2 empty seats, then 6 more in a bubble, then 2 empty seats again until the end of the row. Otherwise it's 1 person, 2 empty seats, 1 person, 2 empty seats. Of course bubbles might only be 2 people, but the more sat side by side means less empty seats. Unless I'm being really dumb? |
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I sort of expect the club to allocate as many seats as possible starting with the biggest bubbles first ie Sixes then fives, fours etc. Surely it’s in everyone’s interests for them to sell as many season tickets as possible.
My bubble is only two which would obviously put me towards the bottom end of the priority list on that basis, however under the circumstances I'd completely understand it if that was the approach the club took and I'd go as far as to say that I hope they have the foresight to do that (or something similar) As others have said though - don't de-prioritise children irrespective of their lower value in the immediate term. We absolutely need to get through this, but we can't afford to kill off the next generation of Town fans either. |
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6 people in a bubble (I presume) then 2 empty seats, then 6 more in a bubble, then 2 empty seats again until the end of the row. Otherwise it's 1 person, 2 empty seats, 1 person, 2 empty seats. Of course bubbles might only be 2 people, but the more sat side by side means less empty seats. Unless I'm being really dumb?
Yeah, that's how I understand it. I may have misunderstood your original post as I thought you were suggesting that more bubbles = more availability. Apologies, my bad! |
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Yeah, that's how I understand it. I may have misunderstood your original post as I thought you were suggesting that more bubbles = more availability. Apologies, my bad!
No worries. Socially distanced football matches are a new and inexact science. More bubbles does mean more availability. If every fan applied singly, it will be the lower figure. If every fan applied as part of a 6 person bubble, it will be the higher figure quoted by the club. It will be somewhere in between of course. |
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The other thing i have been thinking about is the clubs insistence that tickets cannot be given to someone else if the ticket holder can't attend. Why not?
The seat is bought and paid for, and if for example one of the people in my bubble has a ST and can't attend, my nephew for example, why can't i use his ticket for a seat already paid for? Similarly, why can't someone give an individual seat to a mate, who will be socially distanced from other fans? I've often given my ST to friends and family in the past when i can't attend, and i imagine most other ST holders have, so why not now?
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The other thing i have been thinking about is the clubs insistence that tickets cannot be given to someone else if the ticket holder can't attend. Why not?
The seat is bought and paid for, and if for example one of the people in my bubble has a ST and can't attend, my nephew for example, why can't i use his ticket for a seat already paid for? Similarly, why can't someone give an individual seat to a mate, who will be socially distanced from other fans? I've often given my ST to friends and family in the past when i can't attend, and i imagine most other ST holders have, so why not now?
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The other thing i have been thinking about is the clubs insistence that tickets cannot be given to someone else if the ticket holder can't attend. Why not?
The seat is bought and paid for, and if for example one of the people in my bubble has a ST and can't attend, my nephew for example, why can't i use his ticket for a seat already paid for? Similarly, why can't someone give an individual seat to a mate, who will be socially distanced from other fans? I've often given my ST to friends and family in the past when i can't attend, and i imagine most other ST holders have, so why not now?
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Glad I've decided to initially watch the games on iFollow, I'm one of those classed as a "Billy no mates".
Sometimes my wife attends games with me but that's it so probably well down the list anyway.
I'm going to see how it goes and consider buying a half-season ticket later on.
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Have ST's ever been transferable under the t&c's?
Dunno, but everyone does it. Non attendees can donate unused tickets back to the club for re-sale. Suppose that way they can add said person to the track and trace list, and make another 20 odd quid into the bargain. Makes sense now I've given it some thought, so fair enough, that answers my question. Strange times are these. |
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Whilst I understand that perhaps allocating larger social bubbles first would in some way make sense, it penalises folk. My bubble could be 5 but 3 have decided against purchasing a ST therefor that leaves only two of us through no fault of our own...should people in that situation be penalised or pushed further down a list for something that’s not their fault?
ST’s have never technically been allowed to be given to someone else but it’s been happening forever...at all levels. I understand this is arguably about track and trace but it will happen still and I’m not sure how the club can fully enforce it...
It’s becoming more confusing as it goes on and with people still believing that by paying that’s a guarantee then it could get really messy with some very disgruntled folk...some might argue that whilst length of time holding a ST doesn’t make you more or less than a fan, the prospect that someone who’s held one for over 25 years seems harsh.
Anxiety amongst fans is clearly there, is that anyone’s fault? Perhaps not but it’s very understandable.
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Bubbles, ballots, track and control.
No shouting, no singing.
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Glad I've decided to initially watch the games on iFollow, I'm one of those classed as a "Billy no mates".
Sometimes my wife attends games with me but that's it so probably well down the list anyway.
I'm going to see how it goes and consider buying a half-season ticket later on.
whats the deal with I Follow.... are games at 3pm on a Saturday going to be made available? I know the Morecambe game is on, on Saturday, |
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Those with season tickets will get codes or links for the home league games that they cannot are in person.
Cup games are separate so need to be paid for separately.
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whats the deal with I Follow....
are games at 3pm on a Saturday going to be made available? I know the Morecambe game is on, on Saturday,
Good question. I can't remember whether it seemed like only games not open to fans were on, or if only those games were free to STH |
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My "bubble " of two have decided against renewing for the time being for some of the reasons already mentioned.
The joy of going to the match has been stripped bare and in our estimation will be more like going to a series of friendly games in terms of atmosphere etc.
I know the club dont make the rules but the restrictions aren't our cup of tea and seem excessive for an outdoor venue. I noticed some things in the pack were left open including the wearing of masks and other restrictions might yet come in. Like a poster above said- seems a recipe for a depressing and soulless experience.
Added to all that there is a price increase, the chance albeit slight of losing your money in the event of further lockdown, and the letter came across that GTFC was a charity where we do all the giving and they do all the taking.
The board are negligent for relying on one man to have such a hold over the club.It sticks in the craw that he is happy to allow people to lose their hard earned income in case of a lockdown when he is protecting his own stake in the club. He should have secured other investors by now.
Our season tickets are being held for when normality returns and that is when we will buy them.
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My "bubble " of two have decided against renewing for the time being for some of the reasons already mentioned.
The joy of going to the match has been stripped bare and in our estimation will be more like going to a series of friendly games in terms of atmosphere etc.
I know the club dont make the rules but the restrictions aren't our cup of tea and seem excessive for an outdoor venue. I noticed some things in the pack were left open including the wearing of masks and other restrictions might yet come in. Like a poster above said- seems a recipe for a depressing and soulless experience.
Added to all that there is a price increase, the chance albeit slight of losing your money in the event of further lockdown, and the letter came across that GTFC was a charity where we do all the giving and they do all the taking.
The board are negligent for relying on one man to have such a hold over the club.It sticks in the craw that he is happy to allow people to lose their hard earned income in case of a lockdown when he is protecting his own stake in the club. He should have secured other investors by now.
Our season tickets are being held for when normality returns and that is when we will buy them.
This pretty much sums up where I am at the minute too. I will not be renewing right now, but I expect I'll be pondering this right up until the deadline next Friday. The one good thing is that they are holding 2019/20 seats until normality resumes, which is when I'll renew. I guess they'll do a "rest of season" price when that time comes. The restrictions, price rise and lack of acknowledgement for those that did not take the refund last season has been enough to put me (and my bubble) off from renewing for now. |
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This pretty much sums up where I am at the minute too. I will not be renewing right now, but I expect I'll be pondering this right up until the deadline next Friday. The one good thing is that they are holding 2019/20 seats until normality resumes, which is when I'll renew. I guess they'll do a "rest of season" price when that time comes. The restrictions, price rise and lack of acknowledgement for those that did not take the refund last season has been enough to put me (and my bubble) off from renewing for now.
How many times does it have to be acknowledged for you to be happy? Every interview I've heard with the chairman, he's sung the praises of the fans for the fundraiser and not asking for refunds. I don't think we're going to make prime time news... |
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Made the trip up to Blundell Park today to buy/apply for STs. Apparently the uptake has been dreadful so far. Looking like they will not even get close to selling the maximum possible sales to existing STHs.
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Made the trip up to Blundell Park today to buy/apply for STs. Apparently the uptake has been dreadful so far. Looking like they will not even get close to selling the maximum possible sales to existing STHs.
I went today as well, as well as 3 season tickets, and 3 shirts I bought shares to the delight of staff. Seem that apart from buying shares through the trust I was the first to purchase any. |
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I wonder if the uptake being slow is people pondering or getting money together etc.
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I wonder if the uptake being slow is people pondering or getting money together etc.
I heard Steve Wraith tell another customer that one person came in to purchase a season ticket who usually buys as a group of 10 in the Main Stand. He is the only one of the ten who is renewing for this season. |
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The chance of a second lockdown is high so I can understand fans thinking twice before buying a ST.
Not sure if we do have a lockdown and no refunds is legal but knowing this before you purchase might make it legal.
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The chance of a second lockdown is high so I can understand fans thinking twice before buying a ST.
Not sure if we do have a lockdown and no refunds is legal but knowing this before you purchase might make it legal.
Any Legal bods on here ?
Almost certainly not legal. Buy using a credit card. If the season is aborted the credit card company won't care about GTFC T&Cs, they'll only care about consumer protection laws. |
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Made the trip up to Blundell Park today to buy/apply for STs. Apparently the uptake has been dreadful so far. Looking like they will not even get close to selling the maximum possible sales to existing STHs.
Really I was quite surprised by the queues |
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Almost certainly not legal.
Buy using a credit card. If the season is aborted the credit card company won't care about GTFC T&Cs, they'll only care about consumer protection laws.
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I heard Steve Wraith tell another customer that one person came in to purchase a season ticket who usually buys as a group of 10 in the Main Stand. He is the only one of the ten who is renewing for this season.
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Reading some of the comments on here it sounds as though the Club will not need an algorithm to manage demand v capacity. I sent my renewal off with the usual optimism, this year we could win the League. UTM
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Quoted from 28195
Reading some of the comments on here it sounds as though the Club will not need an algorithm to manage demand v capacity. I sent my renewal off with the usual optimism, this year we could win the League. UTM
I wonder if they dont sell out the new capacity to STH how or would they go to general sale to top it up ? They would definatley make up the difference by putting on spare capacity on general sale. |
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I wonder if they dont sell out the new capacity to STH how or would they go to general sale to top it up ? They would definatley make up the difference by putting on spare capacity on general sale.
I was just thinking the same Moosey, maybe 1st come first served and just online sales with seat number allocated? |
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I completely understand not being happy with a price increase in the current climate, but season tickets are limited and we need to maximise income. The chairman said yesterday that the projection is £1 million lower income this season. Yet we still need to somehow be competitive, the only option is to charge more and hope the limited supply means they will all sell.
Surely all other clubs in League Two will be having to contend with very similar shortfalls in income, so even if we are going to have such a large reduction in income, if others do too, then isn't our budget likely to be equally as competitive as it would have been if circumstances had been normal? |
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I'm a season ticket holder, but with so many imponderables this season, I can't agree to these t&c's, so I'll probably give it a miss this season, or see how things pan out and maybe consider a half season ticket later on. I know the club are trying their best, but with these arrangements in place, many other season ticket holders I know, feel the same, as we all sit together, and it's the social aspect we're going to miss as well.....Sorry to say, but given these circumstances i'd be surprised if more than 2000 renew.
Like many others, I'm in a quandry It's not so much about the costs of the tickets ( you always expect price rises with Town ) but more about the experience and whether or not it will be enjoyable I make a 100+ mile return journey as things stand but it can be closer to 200 if I pick up my son from his uni residence in Lincoln en route so that's not cheap He could form part of my bubble but then my mate who I've known for 40+ years with us having been all over the place following Town can't be in my bubble There is another lad who sits next to us all the time and he too would miss out on us sharing the same bubble So four of us who don't live together but who could meet for a pre-match drink and sit together can't do that inside BP I understand the EFL ( following advice from the "government" ) would argue that this is to limit the spread of the virus but sitting inside the stadium together, safely spaced, rather than outside is not going to be allowed The other thing is where will the club decide to seat you if you are successful in the ballot? I don't have much faith in their ticketing policy so even if you get the stand you want, you could end up absolutely anywhere My gut feeling is that even though I want to be at the ground, it makes more sense to me to just watch on iFollow and then when things settle down more, see what chances there are say around the turn of the year, to see if half-season tickets might be a thing? |
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Like many others, I'm in a quandry
It's not so much about the costs of the tickets ( you always expect price rises with Town ) but more about the experience and whether or not it will be enjoyable
I make a 100+ mile return journey as things stand but it can be closer to 200 if I pick up my son from his uni residence in Lincoln en route so that's not cheap
He could form part of my bubble but then my mate who I've known for 40+ years with us having been all over the place following Town can't be in my bubble
There is another lad who sits next to us all the time and he too would miss out on us sharing the same bubble
So four of us who don't live together but who could meet for a pre-match drink and sit together can't do that inside BP
I understand the EFL ( following advice from the "government" ) would argue that this is to limit the spread of the virus but sitting inside the stadium together, safely spaced, rather than outside is not going to be allowed
The other thing is where will the club decide to seat you if you are successful in the ballot? I don't have much faith in their ticketing policy so even if you get the stand you want, you could end up absolutely anywhere
My gut feeling is that even though I want to be at the ground, it makes more sense to me to just watch on iFollow and then when things settle down more, see what chances there are say around the turn of the year, to see if half-season tickets might be a thing?
I'm sure STs will be made available if we are allowed back with no restrictions. I would renew then. I have had a ST for many years and most of the time it has been about the day out with friends. If we can't sit together or even in the same stand, it dilutes the experience. I can't see well enough to enjoy the game from the Pontoon or Osmond stands if placed there. I'm not convinced we'll be back in October either given the increased rate of infections and I can't be sure of getting back after midweek games if and when fans are allowed back. Finally, I think the increase in ST prices is out of order but I wouldn't expect anything else from Town. Hope to see you at Town games sooner rather than later, Tim. |
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I don’t think the price increase would’ve been such an issue had they actually explicitly made fans away but to essentially let you know as your pack dropped on the door mat, and then expect you to find the money in a short space of time was cheeky to say the least.
The unpredictability is what is putting a fair few or so it seems, then there’s the issue with the diluted experience and it’s likely to actually impact sales negatively. The so called Holloway factor as all but disappeared too so that won’t even be a catalyst for folk to purchase one.
I’ve met folk and spoken to people who have been STH for well over 25 years and they feel a little apprehensive that they may not get one yet they’ve committed for years. It’s not the sense of entitlement but more the lack of acknowledgement that they’ve had one for so long.
It’s a bit of mess to be honest and clearly the paperwork confused a fair few and need a good couple of reads to fathom it out. Only Saturday did I meet someone that thinks they’ve got a ticket...
I agree about the budgets being hit at almost every club so in theory overall budgets will still be equal so to speak but I do believe some clubs haven’t decreased their budget, taking the season as serious as normal perhaps whereas GTFC have been open about literally cutting everything...again, it seems we’re the only club that have imposed the 25%.
In reality intercourse knows. It’s all a bit of a mess and you can fully understand why folk won’t be purchasing one but for some, not having one is alien...
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I haven't had a season ticket for many years, but as soon as Ollie joined I thought it very possible I'd get one this season. Then the pandemic hit, but I thought we'd be back 100% by now, which obviously I got horribly wrong, so I'll not be getting one this season either.
In truth, I have very little interest in socially distanced football, so until things are back to normal, I'll not be going. I'm simply going to watch on iFollow.
I hate to say it, but it's sounding more and more likely it won't be like the olds days for this whole season. I hope I'm wrong with that one too.
I'm not one of these idiotic non-believers who thinks that Covid-19 is a hoax, but I do think the way it is hitting football at our level is completely OTT. In places like Bradford where they have appalling Covid figures and a local lockdown, it makes complete sense to bring in restrictions, but I do think it's harsh on GTFC, as the rate is so low here. I get that even a single person getting in the ground and having it could cause problems, but BP is socially distanced anyway; it holds 8,500 and we never trouble getting anywhere near that many in!
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I'm sure STs will be made available if we are allowed back with no restrictions. I would renew then. I have had a ST for many years and most of the time it has been about the day out with friends. If we can't sit together or even in the same stand, it dilutes the experience. I can't see well enough to enjoy the game from the Pontoon or Osmond stands if placed there.
I'm not convinced we'll be back in October either given the increased rate of infections and I can't be sure of getting back after midweek games if and when fans are allowed back.
Finally, I think the increase in ST prices is out of order but I wouldn't expect anything else from Town.
Hope to see you at Town games sooner rather than later, Tim.
Good points in general Chris and also with regards to your own specific requirements, moving you from the upper to one of the stands behind the goal obviously won't work with your sight issues The crazy thing for you is if you were to come in by train you could be in a carriage with any number of people who don't adhere to any social distancing and/or who won't wear masks so you are totally compromised there and have to abide by their behaviour, yet once off the train, the club / EFL will impose what are quite draconian measures on you I'm not sure what each stand at BP holds but if the figures in the letter are going to be adhered to ( 1800- 2200 ) would that mean there's an intention to split the crowd four ways, so 450-550 per stand? I guess we have this week to think about it all and to get off the fence, either take the risk of buying a ticket and then being left to a random selection or staying away this season altogether It's a tough decision to make - head and heart but as it stands my head is telling me it doesn't bode well going with a ST for this coming season |
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Mine were paid for yesterday, and I managed to convince our friends to buy theirs putting our bubble up to 4.
Ticket office were decent to be fair, it’s very obvious they didn’t have a clue what the content of the letter was going to say and are now, as usual dealing with the shitty end of the stick caused by people out of touch and clueless to everything.
My mum made the trip and said they were honest about the letter and understood the frustrations and in some cases, anger from fans. Many of us have a dig at the club and it’s pretty much entirely justified but these poor fornicators aren’t the ones who need the excrement, it’s the people above them. They seemed to reiterate several times that they had nothing to do with any of the planning.
I reiterate my point about the price increase being dropped on folk and I think, reading between the lines that is having an affect on sales and that’s entirely understandable, plus the unpredictability; perhaps the powers that be could’ve removed themselves from their ivory tower and spoke to the very staff they furloughed who acruslly deal with the fans day in day out and asked what they Thought the reaction may be to a price increase.
Folk are disgruntled about the fact they may be placed elsewhere, the short notice and again, the letter is confusing and overly complicated.
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When do we find out if we are “lucky” in obtaining a ticket, does anyone know?
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| Croxton |
| September 8, 2020, 8:28am |
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Mine were paid for yesterday, and I managed to convince our friends to buy theirs putting our bubble up to 4.
Ticket office were decent to be fair, it’s very obvious they didn’t have a clue what the content of the letter was going to say and are now, as usual dealing with the shitty end of the stick caused by people out of touch and clueless to everything.
My mum made the trip and said they were honest about the letter and understood the frustrations and in some cases, anger from fans. Many of us have a dig at the club and it’s pretty much entirely justified but these poor fornicators aren’t the ones who need the excrement, it’s the people above them. They seemed to reiterate several times that they had nothing to do with any of the planning.
I reiterate my point about the price increase being dropped on folk and I think, reading between the lines that is having an affect on sales and that’s entirely understandable, plus the unpredictability; perhaps the powers that be could’ve removed themselves from their ivory tower and spoke to the very staff they furloughed who acruslly deal with the fans day in day out and asked what they Thought the reaction may be to a price increase.
Folk are disgruntled about the fact they may be placed elsewhere, the short notice and again, the letter is confusing and overly complicated.
Confusion is pretty common to other clubs too but for perhaps for different reasons. Every club has similar FAQ's and enhanced behaviour codes. The key difference has been that they started educating fans earlier about the changes. Some released ST renewals very soon to get some cash in and then paused until they did their sums re EFL protocols. Bradford set out a bold target, froze prices, and divided their fans into 'red' and 'amber' as a way of sharing games fairly. It''s not perfect but at least far less random than a ballot. Their ST average is 14000 and their capacity set at 7000. The club have updated the fans on numbers sold. |
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| September 8, 2020, 4:42pm |
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When do we find out if we are “lucky” in obtaining a ticket, does anyone know?
Do we have an update of renewals applied for? |
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| pizzzza |
| September 8, 2020, 5:45pm |
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Do we have an update of renewals applied for?
I suppose by now we'd usually have had Steve Wraith on the back page of the GT announcing "record-breaking" sales... |
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| blundellpork |
| September 8, 2020, 5:48pm |
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I suppose by now we'd usually have had Steve Wraith on the back page of the GT announcing "record-breaking" sales...
This year offers huge potential for most season ticket sales during a pandemic, or most sold in September. |
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