Hurst or Bignot

Entered on behalf of Neal Flett who does not have an account on the forum:

This is the first time I have written on this website for a long time. for all those who wished the former two managers the sack. Look what we have got now. It was a crazy decision to sack Bignot.  Remember John Fenty saying he was head and shoulders above the rest. He was 6 months into his first full-time managers job. Yes, there was some strange tactics at the time, but he did make some good signings. None of Slade's signings have enhanced the squad. As supporters, we deserve better. Maybe it's time for John Fenty to pass the baton on.

I hate to say this but I miss Paul Hurst 😩

Quoted from OllieGTFC

I hate to say this but I miss Paul Hurst 😩

I am beginning to think we was right when he said we were spoilt

Hurst has done well no doubt about it, but theres no debating that it went stale here in the end. He took us up but it took him several goes and patience was wearing thin. After Halifax away I think it was inevitable that he would be gone one way or another sooner rather than later.

Bignot looked a good appointment and given time may have proved to be so, or maybe not we will never know. What I don't agree with is the way he was dismissed. If JF didn't want such a radical approach this should have been weeded out at interview or made clear from day 1. I honestly think what done for him was him saying it as it was I.e. we had less staff than Solihull, every team at our level had an s&c coach.

Quoted from GrimRob

Entered on behalf of Neal Flett who does not have an account on the forum:

This is the first time I have written on this website for a long time. for all those who wished the former two managers the sack. Look what we have got now. It was a crazy decision to sack Bignot.  Remember John Fenty saying he was head and shoulders above the rest. He was 6 months into his first full-time managers job. Yes, there was some strange tactics at the time, but he did make some good signings. None of Slade's signings have enhanced the squad. As supporters, we deserve better. Maybe it's time for John Fenty to pass the baton on.

Give the man an account Rob, as for Fenty I think he should go and beg Parker to take over and agree to any of his demands.

I still don't know how Bignot went from outstanding candidate to someone the board had no faith in within 6 months, despite the fact that we were more than comfortable in the league and at the start of a "project".

What did he do that scared the board so much? Surely what he was doing was sanctioned and if it wasn't, it should have been. He can't have been sacked based on results, given that he only had 6 months in the job and hadn't had a pre season, yet we were skirting with the play offs. He also had form for doing the same thing at his previous club, again something that should have been known by all concerned.

As for Hurst, he achieved what he set out to do and i think it had become stale and he needed a new challenge. He was offered League 1 football at a club with a new ground and facilities, in a nice part of the country and probably on more money. You can't blame him for accepting.

There is a school of thought that Slade was brought in purely because he was available, not because we particularly needed a change of manager. It's still early days yet and he may well come good, so we wait and see if it was the right decision, but it wouldn't surprise me if we are introducing a new manager who was "the outstanding candidate" before the season is over. Hurst apart, managers come and go with alarming regularity. Players also.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Give the man an account Rob, as for Fenty I think he should go and beg Parker to take over and agree to any of his demands.

I doubt that Parker would ever come back after our trust sold him down the river when they sold his gifted shares back to Fenty for a place on the board .
What have these trust board member ever been except nodding donkeys ? They had no influence over Fenty or if they have it's been minimal

Exactly in what way do the Trust represent the rank and file supporters.

Quoted from grimps

I doubt that Parker would ever come back after our trust sold him down the river when they sold his gifted shares back to Fenty for a place on the board .
What have these trust board member ever been except nodding donkeys ? They had no influence over Fenty or if they have it's been minimal

Well that was a strategic error by both the Trust Board and the membership that was obvious at the time.

What Ginny said.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Well that was a strategic error by both the Trust Board and the membership that was obvious at the time.

Yeah Fenty obviously isnt as thick as he looks , he run rings around the Trust and Parker on that deal

Wenger or Mourhinio, an equally irrelevant question in terms of our current predicament!

Unicorn or Dragon just as relevant.

Sacking Bignot was strange to me. I have been a very keen lifelong supporter and for the first time ever I am losing interest. We seem to be without ambition, the current squad is quite old and really lacking in pace. I thought we were 6/10 versus Crewe and so was expecting a hammering yesterday, Slade needs to sort this by Xmas or we will have to roll the dice I fear, I really hope jot as I love stability but so many carp players in this squad at their final league club is pathetic utm

Quoted from grimps

I doubt that Parker would ever come back after our trust sold him down the river when they sold his gifted shares back to Fenty for a place on the board .
What have these trust board member ever been except nodding donkeys ? They had no influence over Fenty or if they have it's been minimal

The shares were not just for a place on the board, the trust were told by JF at the time if he didn't have overall control he would not further invest and Hearn would be sold. What option did the trust have but to give in, they did it to help the club progress. Fenty may not like it but the trust can speak on behalf of the supporters, whether he listens or not is not in their control. I think it's unfair on those who do hard work for the trust to call them nodding donkeys.

As for Fenty's dealing with the shares issues, I think it painted a truer picture of what he is actually like.

Bignot was sacked for a non footballing incident, and if what I was told is true then rightly so.

Quoted from jimgtfc

Bignot was sacked for a non footballing incident, and if what I was told is true then rightly so.

Of course you cannot reveal the details.

Quoted from jimgtfc

Bignot was sacked for a non footballing incident, and if what I was told is true then rightly so.

Are you saying Fenty lied as to why he sacked him.

Was it because he threw Henderson under the bus and told the driver to reverse over him ?

As far as Hurst goes he had passed his sell by date as far as Town were concerned.

Bignot was an utter crack pot.

Slades time was over years ago.

Cheers Fenty ye toss pot.

Quoted from TAGG

As far as Hurst goes he had passed his sell by date as far as Town were concerned.

Bignot was an utter crack pot.

Slades time was over years ago.

Cheers Fenty ye toss pot.

No fence-sitting going on there then!

Why are people still raving about Paul hurst ffs,it took him nearly 5 years to get us back in the league and we Had to watch some s*i*e performances along the way, we scraped promotion and he tore the team to shreds ??? Remember we went bottom yes bottom of the conference !!! listening to his interviews well let's not even go there bore off yes he's doing well now but that's in the past he's gone people need to get over it,we got rid of bignot far to early because john wanted his mate back and we are still no better off now than what we were then ever since Fenty has been here he's made urine poor decisions season after season,we have no ambition going forward forget about the stadium we've been waiting for that for over 20 years tough times at the club atm and it needs sorting fast because at this rate we are looking like we are gonna end up we're we have just come from yes we're only 6 games in but the team looks poor all over the pitch attendances are dropping home and away it's Very worrying only my opinion but something has to give and fast !!!

Bignot had a 3 year plan. Which was to overhaul the club which included the training and medical facilities and to look at the youth set up. Main priority was to ensure survival last season.
Fenty does not like spending money. So Bignot had to go. There were one or two players who had been there for some time and did not like what they saw so told Fenty bignot had lost the dressing room. Load of rubbish, but it gave Fenty an excuse to get rid.
RS is a yes man

I'd like to know what the incident was to lead to Bignots sacking. Something not serious enough for instant dismissal, but not un-serious enough to try and smooth things over (like chucking a plate at a players face), but semi-serious enough to let the guy know he was heading out of the door but had to attend the next game in full knowledge it was his last.
But of course in the Boards statement it was none of these, and down to performances and results.

On the field stuff is bad enough but pales to the mess we have off it. I'm tempted to let a bunch of sem-trained chimps into the GTFC boardroom and let them loose on the phones, paperwork and fax machines and see if we notice the difference.

Quoted from RoboCod

I'd like to know what the incident was to lead to Bignots sacking. Something not serious enough for instant dismissal, but not un-serious enough to try and smooth things over (like chucking a plate at a players face), but semi-serious enough to let the guy know he was heading out of the door but had to attend the next game in full knowledge it was his last.
But of course in the Boards statement it was none of these, and down to performances and results.

On the field stuff is bad enough but pales to the mess we have off it. I'm tempted to let a bunch of sem-trained chimps into the GTFC boardroom and let them loose on the phones, paperwork and fax machines and see if we notice the difference.

Potentially, we could end up with the complete works of Shakespeare  !!!

Maybe he broke a chair or a flag or took a flask into work?

Quoted from friskneymariner

Unicorn or Dragon just as relevant.

Dragon. Every time.

Unicorns are for girls.

Quoted from psgmariner

Dragon. Every time.

Unicorns are for girls.

Gender specific assignment so out of date have you not heard of gender fluidity.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Exactly in what way do the Trust represent the rank and file supporters.

Looks like the Trust are listening to you Friskney.

On Saturday there is an open meeting for members and non members alike to express their views on the future direction of the Trust. To say what you want of the Trust moving forward, to say what is important to you.

I really hope people attend rather than voicing their disapproval through social media. You have a chance to shape the future. Hope you use it.

Dont be shy


Next Saturday between 11 and 12 we are hosting an open meeting to discuss any issues you want. Members and non members are welcome to attend and ask questions to the Chair and Vice Chair of the Trust. If you can't make the meeting you can send questions in advance which we will answer on the day - send to enquiries@mariners.co.uk We are also hoping to broadcast live on the web. The meeting will take place in the Trust bar in the Lower Findus.

I would add for the likes of Barra/Kristine that i thought this would have already been posted and even more so wonder why it isnt on the website??

I'm really struggling with the whole point of the Hurst/Bignot saga every day.
PH came, did and ok job, got "promoted" to Shrewsbury. He's gone so forget him
Marcus may have had a 3 year plan for off the field but it was chaos on it. If the rumours are to be believed training was badly organised, player discipline (timekeeping etc.) was falling apart and anyone with ability would have left anyway had he stayed. Personally I'm surprised it took JF as long as it did to pull the trigger. He's gone so forget him as well.
We are in the mire today and that's well worth talking about. If RS has any sense he'll be sitting down with the players and trying to inject a sense of pride and a strategy for the next few games. If he can't he should be gone by October. If he can, I'll be delighted. I'm thinking of Exeter who this time last year were pants but finished in the play offs

Quoted from GrimRob

Entered on behalf of Neal Flett who does not have an account on the forum:

This is the first time I have written on this website for a long time. for all those who wished the former two managers the sack. Look what we have got now. It was a crazy decision to sack Bignot.  Remember John Fenty saying he was head and shoulders above the rest. He was 6 months into his first full-time managers job. Yes, there was some strange tactics at the time, but he did make some good signings. None of Slade's signings have enhanced the squad. As supporters, we deserve better. Maybe it's time for John Fenty to pass the baton on.

Hurst just rubbed some sensitive sorts up the wrong way. The way he took us from a joke to a consistently professional outfit was pretty good. He was a young improving manager and I always felt he was intelligent. He will continue to be a success in the leagues above us and I thought it was a major error to allow him to leave for Shrewsbury. All that said I am pretty fed up of hearing about him now.

Bignot was a complete tinkerman, the fact he changed so much in such a short time and copulated about with the team like it was preseason when we still had a chance of the play offs made me think he wasn't very bright. No real method to his teams play and just talked absolute bollox. I actually think Fenty getting rid was the right decision.

It's early days yet but I think we will be far better off with Slade than with Bignot. We will improve as the season goes on.

I don't buy this theory that Bignot had the same method which worked wonders at Solihull. It's made out as though he came in and tinkered around with the team and the fans weren't sure what he was doing. Then they took the league by storm the next season and he was revered as a tactical genius. Now either he was tinkering for four whole seasons or that's complete bollocks. Their finishes in his first four seasons were 19th, 9th, 8th, 12th so this idea that there was method behind his madness that could have come to instant fruition this season seems fanciful. Even if he was tinkering in his 4th season, I'd say that had less impact than the financial troubles that Kidderminster and Nuneaton were having during the summer of 2015 leaving some good players in the local area without clubs. And he signed 7 players from Nuneaton and 4 from Kidderminster (including Asante) which is a whole new team.

Perhaps I'm cynical and there really was method behind his odd selections. But I'm willing to bet that it was far more likely that he got lucky from the sudden influx of players in the local area who'd played at a higher level becoming available and allowing him to sign virtually a new team. The fact that he'd never got any higher than 8th place before these particular circumstances suggests to me that it was opportunistic and not some long term, well thought out masterplan.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Hurst just rubbed some sensitive sorts up the wrong way. The way he took us from a joke to a consistently professional outfit was pretty good. He was a young improving manager and I always felt he was intelligent. He will continue to be a success in the leagues above us and I thought it was a major error to allow him to leave for Shrewsbury. All that said I am pretty fed up of hearing about him now.

Bignot was a complete tinkerman, the fact he changed so much in such a short time and copulated about with the team like it was preseason when we still had a chance of the play offs made me think he wasn't very bright. No real method to his teams play and just talked absolute bollox. I actually think Fenty getting rid was the right decision.

It's early days yet but I think we will be far better off with Slade than with Bignot. We will improve as the season goes on.

This is my fervent hope.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Hurst just rubbed some sensitive sorts up the wrong way. The way he took us from a joke to a consistently professional outfit was pretty good. He was a young improving manager and I always felt he was intelligent. He will continue to be a success in the leagues above us and I thought it was a major error to allow him to leave for Shrewsbury. All that said I am pretty fed up of hearing about him now.

Bignot was a complete tinkerman, the fact he changed so much in such a short time and copulated about with the team like it was preseason when we still had a chance of the play offs made me think he wasn't very bright. No real method to his teams play and just talked absolute bollox. I actually think Fenty getting rid was the right decision.

It's early days yet but I think we will be far better off with Slade than with Bignot. We will improve as the season goes on.

Having seen quite a few of the 1,700 that went to Halifax, sensitive is not a word that I would use to describe them.

Quoted from RoboCod

I'd like to know what the incident was to lead to Bignots sacking. Something not serious enough for instant dismissal, but not un-serious enough to try and smooth things over (like chucking a plate at a players face), but semi-serious enough to let the guy know he was heading out of the door but had to attend the next game in full knowledge it was his last.
But of course in the Boards statement it was none of these, and down to performances and results.

On the field stuff is bad enough but pales to the mess we have off it. I'm tempted to let a bunch of sem-trained chimps into the GTFC boardroom and let them loose on the phones, paperwork and fax machines and see if we notice the difference.

I don't think they will do it for the love of the club! and on that note Fenty will vote no.

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[quote=419]I don't buy this theory that Bignot had the same method which worked wonders at Solihull. It's made out as though he came in and tinkered around with the team and the fans weren't sure what he was doing. Then they took the league by storm the next season and he was revered as a tactical genius. Now either he was tinkering for four whole seasons or that's complete bollocks. Their finishes in his first four seasons were 19th, 9th, 8th, 12th so this idea that there was method behind his madness that could have come to instant fruition this season seems fanciful. Even if he was tinkering in his 4th season, I'd say that had less impact than the financial troubles that Kidderminster and Nuneaton were having during the summer of 2015 leaving some good players in the local area without clubs. And he signed 7 players from Nuneaton and 4 from Kidderminster (including Asante) which is a whole new team.

Perhaps I'm cynical and there really was method behind his odd selections. But I'm willing to bet that it was far more likely that he got lucky from the sudden influx of players in the local area who'd played at a higher level becoming available and allowing him to sign virtually a new team. The fact that he'd never got any higher than 8th place before these particular circumstances suggests to me that it was opportunistic and not some long term, well thought out masterplan. [/quote

I agree yea I do