Hillsborough

Quoted from Mariner_09

People seem to ignore that there were 2000 extra idiotic Liverpool fans who ran into the ground after the equally inept police opened that gate. Plus at the time, it was only 5 years after the Heysel disaster, which was entirely the fault of Liverpool fans, this meant it was easier for the police to cover up because they had previous, likewise the general public belived Liverpool were a bunch of drunk up looneys. It wasn't as clear cut as either side tell us.

Your "2000 extra idiotic fans who ran into ground"  DID NOT OPEN THE GATE FACT, get your facts right.
Were you there!

I guess his argument will be that had he not opened the gates then there would have been fatalities outside the ground , getting angry on here with each other will not prove anything . Everyone will get their day in court now , albeit very late after the event.

Quoted from Mariner_09

People seem to ignore that there were 2000 extra idiotic Liverpool fans who ran into the ground after the equally inept police opened that gate. Plus at the time, it was only 5 years after the Heysel disaster, which was entirely the fault of Liverpool fans, this meant it was easier for the police to cover up because they had previous, likewise the general public believed Liverpool were a bunch of drunk up looneys. It wasn't as clear cut as either side tell us.

You mean the 2000 fans who had purchased tickets and walked to the ground and expected to be let in for 3pm as we've all done countless times - not sure whats idiotic about that.

It's amazing given the coverage the second inquest result got that there are still morons out there who believe the Sun's version of events rather than that of a public inquiry that took two years to be heard.

Quoted from Mariner_09

People seem to ignore that there were 2000 extra idiotic Liverpool fans who ran into the ground after the equally inept police opened that gate. Plus at the time, it was only 5 years after the Heysel disaster, which was entirely the fault of Liverpool fans, this meant it was easier for the police to cover up because they had previous, likewise the general public belived Liverpool were a bunch of drunk up looneys. It wasn't as clear cut as either side tell us.

Heysel was in 1985 4 years before Hillsborough, you need to read back what you write sometimes as people may take offence.

Quoted from Mariner_09

People seem to ignore that there were 2000 extra idiotic Liverpool fans who ran into the ground after the equally inept police opened that gate. Plus at the time, it was only 5 years after the Heysel disaster, which was entirely the fault of Liverpool fans, this meant it was easier for the police to cover up because they had previous, likewise the general public belived Liverpool were a bunch of drunk up looneys. It wasn't as clear cut as either side tell us.

The absolute flipping state of this.

Quoted from Mariner_09

People seem to ignore that there were 2000 extra idiotic Liverpool fans who ran into the ground after the equally inept police opened that gate. Plus at the time, it was only 5 years after the Heysel disaster, which was entirely the fault of Liverpool fans, this meant it was easier for the police to cover up because they had previous, likewise the general public belived Liverpool were a bunch of drunk up looneys. It wasn't as clear cut as either side tell us.

Get in the flipping sea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35473732

Quoted from LH

It's amazing given the coverage the second inquest result got that there are still morons out there who believe the Sun's version of events rather than that of a public inquiry that took two years to be heard.

It's astonishing. The fans have been proven to be totally blameless. It's such a shame that people still want to make excuses for a wholly avoidable disaster and blame victims.

That victim blaming continues to this day with the Mail printing pictures last week of the Grenfell resident who's fridge set alight. I bet there are some people with connections to that incident having trouble nodding off tonight after this decision.

I've been in numerous situations, even in the Pontoon when it used to hold many thousands more than it does now and the fans swayed all over the place, when I've literally had my breath taken away from by crushing. That's one step away from asphyxiation which is what happened to those who perished at Hillsborough.

I've also been swept off my feet and carried along in a huge mob of Town fans at a couple of games. Even though I'm nearly 6'3" and was fairly well built there was little I could do to even try and stop it. That's what also happened at Hillsborough. Combine the two elements and you have the perfect storm for a disaster if there is nowhere to go. There but for the grace of god.....

Couple that with police incompetence, lying, collusion over statements, perverting the course of justice, and support from the very top of the then government and it's hardly surprising it's taken do long to get to this point. The 96 haven't got justice yet though, and I feel the establishment will do all that it possibly can to maintain the status quo - what's the odds that the trials may collapse because everyone now has an opinion on he matter and it might be dificult to find a jury who could be totally impartial?

Justice for The 96. YNWA.