Hillsborough

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Re the surging of the crowd and crush, plus your earlier post re the Pontoon, sure I can recall a wooden barrier collapsing at a Grimsby v Scunthorpe game. Think it was Good Friday in 1971 ish and resulted in many bodies being piled up on the floor but fortunately no serious injuries.

Or did I just dream that happened?

No. It definitely happened.

Quoted from Mariner_09

As I said there is fault on both sides, but mainly the police's. Those who authorised and insisted on the changing of statements are the real criminals. You get idiotic football fans and you get police officers who make mistakes when under pressure but actively making a conscious decision to hide the truth about the disaster is criminal.

In reality there is not two sides to this, in my mind on the day the authorities had a duty of care to the fans attending the game and the general public they did not exercise that and subsequently tried to cover their ineptitude up.

The interesting thing now the charges are there is will the 2 top cops suddenly become ill and not fit for trial (the usual get out for these types of people (See Guinness non trial as the best example). Only the minnions will get done in the end.

Duckenfield will pay, he was clueless and out of his depth on the day and remains so today.
Bettison is the big one, nasty bit of work and already up to his neck with his interference in the Steven Lawrence case but he's high up the hierarchy, with some very influential friends.

Fortunately for the families of the 96 (and the UK in general), the public are not putting up with the
ducking and diving by those in charge of such matters any more. Both parties realise that in the next election every vote will count. So they can not be seen to be shirking or looking after their own.
Those charged will never ever get what they deserve, but I do believe that life will be a lot tougher than it would have been where it not for Grenfell. No doubt there will be still be massive amounts of wriggling, but allies will be a lot harder to come by than they would have been.  As others have said, making a very poor decision on the ground is bad enough.  
But those that engaged in the subsequent cover up should surely be charged (at the very least) with perverting the cause of justice.  All should by rights receive Jail sentences, but I won't hold my breath on that one.  

I have said before that the stand was a disaster waiting to happen,

You go down a longish tunnel to get into the stand,

Even when you are nearly through  you could not see most of what was in front of you,

So the vast majority would just keep on pushing trying to get to see the game that had already kicked off,

They would have had no idea what was happing further down the line.

Thank god it's all changed now.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Re the surging of the crowd and crush, plus your earlier post re the Pontoon, sure I can recall a wooden barrier collapsing at a Grimsby v Scunthorpe game. Think it was Good Friday in 1971 ish and resulted in many bodies being piled up on the floor but fortunately no serious injuries.

Or did I just dream that happened?

I don't remember bodies being piled up as I was stood with my back to that barrier when it happened as that was our usual spot.

It was a bit of a crush though, although with me being at the back I would have ended up on top of those in front of me.

Must admit when I went in the Pontoon in the late seventies early eighties, in certain games you could lift your feet of the ground and still be carried out after the final whistle.
It's the way it was then, scary when you think about it now.