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HotToddy
April 8, 2017, 9:13pm
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Putting today's win into perspective, we were poor today but Blackpool were poorer. We were under far more pressure than they were but our goals came at good times. I'm not saying it is all bad but it was an awful game today and i can't see it getting any better under Bignot.
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Radio Hull seem to disagree and it sounded quite entertaining.
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I'm not saying it is all bad but it was an awful game today and i can't see it getting any better under Bignot.


If you can't take any joy from winning 3-1 away then you might as well give up now.
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Hot toddy, you could've waited a day or 2 to post such comment after a win 😂 FFS fun sponge
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Fun sponge? Not heard that one before. It sounds vaguely fun.


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Putting today's win into perspective, we were poor today but Blackpool were poorer. We were under far more pressure than they were but our goals came at good times. I'm not saying it is all bad but it was an awful game today and i can't see it getting any better under Bignot.


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3:1 win away from home wobble your head mate
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So we've cracked it then? Bignots going to take us on to big and better things?
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Quoted from HotToddy
So we've cracked it then? Bignots going to take us on to big and better things?


Small steps mate. Small steps...


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I dont think anyone is saying that Toddy but the teams just put in a good performance away at a play off chasing side and come away with a 3-1 win, surely there isnt a negative to come from that?
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I genuinely think so.


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Some people won't be happy with bignot whatever he does,some want him to fail more than they do the team to succeed...if you can't give credit where it's due then why are you a supporter
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Some people won't be happy with bignot whatever he does,some want him to fail more than they do the team to succeed...if you can't give credit where it's due then why are you a supporter


You are not really an idiot are you mate ?


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Quoted from grimsby pete


You are not really an idiot are you mate ?


I like to think not pete tho some will no doubt disagree
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Blackpool are above us in the table and on the play off fringes so they can't be rubbish relative to the standards of the league.  People spend too long watching Premier league and expecting L2 to be the same.
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Think it's time Gunning got a bit of praise. After yesterdays performance perhaps the doubters can see why he's in the team-adds much needed bite. Well done the whole team.
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Passing to a team mate is not asking to much if you look at the teams at the top of all the divisions they all try to play first ,(fact)
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I couldn't go due to work but spoke to my neighbour last night and he said the only negatives was he couldn't get in a few pubs on the Friday night and he'd spent a fortune
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Hot Toddy is the kind of wind-up fan that every club doesn't need.
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Personally i want to be challenging at the top of league 2, not worrying about relegation next season.  I think Bignot is totally out of his depth in league 2. I can't see us getting 3000 season ticket sales this summer and that will effect what players we bring in. .  
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Personally i want to be challenging at the top of league 2, not worrying about relegation next season.  I think Bignot is totally out of his depth in league 2. I can't see us getting 3000 season ticket sales this summer and that will effect what players we bring in. .  


Well that is just a self-fulfilling prophecy if you allow it to.


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Personally i want to be challenging at the top of league 2, not worrying about relegation next season.  I think Bignot is totally out of his depth in league 2. I can't see us getting 3000 season ticket sales this summer and that will effect what players we bring in. .  


I'll be renewing mine!


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I'll be renewing mine plus 2 more for my grandsons. UTM



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Quoted from HotToddy
Personally i want to be challenging at the top of league 2, not worrying about relegation next season.  I think Bignot is totally out of his depth in league 2. I can't see us getting 3000 season ticket sales this summer and that will effect what players we bring in. .  


I don't know if you are trolling or not but the point needs answering anyway.

My reasons for wanting a change of manager this year were exactly the ones you say. We need to be ambitious not to stand still and I don't think we would have been so forward looking with the steady eddie footie we saw at the start.

Maybe MB has made mistakes but I would rather see a positive learning curve than a negative one. To me there has been far more good than bad for the club this season despite last Saturday at BP. The biggest problem is MB sometimes seems to think his players are capable of changing positions and systems without a hiccup. That problem will diminish with time and as long as MB does not go into Tinkerman mode he will be OK. Certainly his signings have been positive and the players seem happy to play for him and share his philosophy that it's wins that matter. If you win 3 and lose 2 out of 5 games you are 4 points better off than being unbeaten with 5 draws.

We will finish in the position most of us expected and if we had gone for avoiding relegation as we did from the start the table might read the same, but I have a feeling there might have been a few itchy bums during March before safety was achieved.


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Great result yesterday with no negatives . The op has his own view but to have a go after a 3-1 win will lose any credibility the op had .


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Great result yesterday with no negatives . The op has his own view but to have a go after a 3-1 win will lose any credibility the op had .


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That was a very good win yesterday - on paper. Sam Jones' goal was niiiiiiice.


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Bignot 38 points in 27 games , equates to 65 points a season. Don't quite know how the haters think we are doomed to relegation with that record
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Bignot 38 points in 27 games , equates to 65 points a season. Don't quite know how the haters think we are doomed to relegation with that record


Nah! Can't be true, he's clueless.
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I know it's fashionable to 'snipe' whenever the opportunity presents itself, but I try, mostly, to take the longer view, not least because it takes much longer to build than to destroy. Like everyone else, I'm sad when Town are thumped/humiliated, but 'bite my lip' rather than show a tantrum, which always seems rather ridiculous within a few days. I think/hope the club is progressing and that better players will ultimately replace those less able, but it all takes time. At least we are back as a league club and seem able to hold our own in League 2, even if we are well below League 1 standard at present. I'll be renewing my ST even whilst unable/unwilling to make the long journey to Cleethorpes for each home game. I'm hoping to be there for Cambridge, which will probably be my last of the season.
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I think the warning signs have been there since November:

Bignot is a good manager and will take us forwards.
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For me now we should look at Easter weekend and say we want to aim for 6 points but be happy with 4. Cambridge aren't a bad side and cheltenham are fighting for survival.. Im just slightly concerned he'll change the team around because we have 3 games in 9 days. To me jusr drop the training load for a week or two. Sadly we have fans who will come only based on results so let's get some wins under our belts and get people in the gates next season.

To add as I haven't posted for a while. Very happy with the result, seen the goals and they're all good in their own ways. Jones looks a good catch.
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Yesterday was definitely a positive result, nothing negative to say about it. What I would say is that I'd like to see some consistency between now and the end of the season. I'm not saying we should win every game, but we need to back results up, starting with Cambridge on good Friday.


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Yesterday was definitely a positive result, nothing negative to say about it. What I would say is that I'd like to see some consistency between now and the end of the season. I'm not saying we should win every game, but we need to back results up, starting with Cambridge on good Friday.


I certainly think the home fans deserve a rousing finish. A win v Cambridge would be great and follow that up by taking 3 points v Yeovil. That just leaves the last game when we should go hung ho attack v Plymouth who no doubt win be promoted well before then.

Hopefully end the season on a positive note, get season tickets on sale immediately and try and get a war chest together to give promotion  challenge  a real go
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Putting today's win into perspective, we were poor today but Blackpool were poorer. We were under far more pressure than they were but our goals came at good times. I'm not saying it is all bad but it was an awful game today and i can't see it getting any better under Bignot.


So what I'm reading from that is we defended well as we were under pressure, but we scored with the chances we had. Sounds like a brilliant performance to me!
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Putting today's win into perspective, we were poor today but Blackpool were poorer. We were under far more pressure than they were but our goals came at good times. I'm not saying it is all bad but it was an awful game today and i can't see it getting any better under Bignot.


Your perspective obviously as most seem quite chuffed with the performance. I also don't understand how Blackpool were poorer than us, yet we were under far more pressure than them?
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I thought we deserved that yeah we needed to defend well which we did. Their defence always looked vulnerable in the air and on the break.

Sam Jones took his goals very well and the fact the only goal they scored was an unfortunate own goal (brilliant diving header) says a lot about how well we kept them out.

Vose also calmed things down near the end and was so close to getting a forth all in all a superb TEAM effort well done lads and well done to Bignot we looked more like 442 to me and covered the flanks better.  
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No denying that it was a great win and I think very few of us expected that going into the weekend.

That said I do understand what the original poster is saying.  Whilst I thought we looked a lot more organised than we have in recent weeks, especially in terms of shape, I still think we look disjointed.  I fully understand that it's about trying things at this stage and seeing how pairings work together but I would be concerned if that's our midfield going into next season.   Clements is tidy and I actually think there's a role for someone like him in the team, someone who does the unspectacular role.  Gunning doesn't look anywhere near mobile enough to be in midfield and Dan Jones simply doesn't look a midfielder.  In Jones' defence when it was his turn to slot in on the left he did a decent job of helping Andrew out, which also allowed the full-back to bomb on a bit more.  Jamey Osborne has the ability to be a massive player for us, providing we can get him over his shin splints and as a result producing some sort of consistency.  He, however, is never a right winger.    

Up top Sam Jones gets better with each game and has the rare ability to score both great and ugly goals.  He's got a little bit of everything in his locker and I think we've got ourselves a very, very good player who will go onto make us a lot of money in the near future.  Not quite sure why Bignot is persisting with Callum Dyson when we've got our own players in the building, unless there's a deal in place for next season.   If there is I'm not sure they are the best pairing, too similar for my liking with Jones edging the Everton lad in every department.  

The game itself we were the better team and deserved the win but Blackpool were poor.  It highlights the weakness of this league when they are in the position they are.  Perhaps it was a bad day at the office for them, which wouldn't be unusual as very few teams seem capable of consistency.

What worries me the most is that we were sold the line of we're doing our pre-season now so we can hit the ground running next season.  But by my reckoning we've got a right-back (Mills), a central midfielder (Clements), another central midfielder/lad playing out on the right (Osborne) and a striker (Sam Jones) who are here next season from the core of players Bignot seems to favour.  That doesn't even represent a spine of the team.   I know there's Yussuf, Asante, Berrett, Summerfield and a few others under contract but Bignot seems reluctant to use them, even the ones he's signed.
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I think this particularly applies to Yussuf who Bignot doesn't seem to fancy at the moment and hasn't told us he's injured. Obviously Asante has been injured which has prevented his selection.


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Good points Diehard the thing that concerned me was the amount of daft free kicks we concede and the deepness we defend Osborne has good awareness and can turn players around Mills is solid,Andrew is better we desperately need him and a worthy partner on that flank. Sam Jones is the real deal for me he as goals in him as he is proving need a striking partner for him to link up with love to see Asante s that man. I think the pieces are there just need to find the best set up.
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And JFs recent interview on RH confirms that this post was spot on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04zvp0p

Also, thanks John for the Aussie reference - barking up a gum tree - priceless
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Hot Toddy vindicated. Who'd have thunk it?
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Good for him. Too many overbearing regular posters on here who think their opinion is the only one worth reading. Intolerant and wrong.
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Quoted from Chris Packit
Good for him. Too many overbearing regular posters on here who think their opinion is the only one worth reading. Intolerant and wrong.


now there's a barbed comment if ever i read one!!
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Quoted from Chris Packit
Good for him. Too many overbearing regular posters on here who think their opinion is the only one worth reading. Intolerant and wrong.


Irony at it's finest.

If this reflects your sense of humour sir I salute you. !!


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Thread title inspires JF response to Matt Dean, who'd have thought?

Barking up a gum tree or the wrong tree? Slade was up a mountain on Tuesday and at the BP on Wednesday, must've been a good signal on his mountain or was it Caistor top?

This morning's press conference was a load of shifty old bollox if you ask me.
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When Matt Dean asked Slade when he first knew about the interest from Town, he had to think for a minute and then hurriedly said the day after Marcus was dismissed, which was yesterday and he was up a mountain. Now call me cynical, but going from a first approach yesterday, to a done and dusted appointment having had a board meeting at some stage too and a press conference this morning at 10.00am come on I am not buying that. Must have been done well before Marcus left. Not that it matters but why can't people be straight? Fan's are not all stupid, sometimes we know when things don't stack up. This sort of thing just puts doubt into everything which comes out of the club. Anyway we are where we are and I will be there on Friday and will renew my season ticket, that's what true fans do...no bullshit.
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When Matt Dean asked Slade when he first knew about the interest from Town, he had to think for a minute and then hurriedly said the day after Marcus was dismissed, which was yesterday and he was up a mountain. Now call me cynical, but going from a first approach yesterday, to a done and dusted appointment having had a board meeting at some stage too and a press conference this morning at 10.00am come on I am not buying that. Must have been done well before Marcus left. Not that it matters but why can't people be straight? Fan's are not all stupid, sometimes we know when things don't stack up. This sort of thing just puts doubt into everything which comes out of the club. Anyway we are where we are and I will be there on Friday and will renew my season ticket, that's what true fans do...no bullshit.


Probably so Bignot can't do the club for wrongful dismissal or something?  

Not a cat in hells chance that Slade wasn't lined up well before Bignot was sacked.  It's not just Slade is it either, it's Wilkinson too.  From Bignot and his mob getting the shove to Town announcing the press conference was give or take 24 hours.  If they have actually managed to open and close talks with both Slade and Wilkinson in that time it's some bloody good work. It also makes the usual delay in sorting a quick statement about season ticket prices look even worse!
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