And you can Stick the FA Trophy up your bottom

Let's give this Arsewipe and his team of jokers the send off they deserve , let them walk out at Wembley to one man and his dog and boycott the final

Looking at the ticket sales, I think we already are !

All that travelling time and hard earned cash to watch that shower of excrement, no thank you !

Sod em.

I live on a good day 45 - 60 mins away from Wembley and on the 22nd I am now planning to go to a garden show with the Mrs instead.

The problem is PH has been very clever as he knows that if we win the trophy the man who allowed the manager to take us down to this league keep his job will never sack him.

Win the league and get up to a million pounds.  Win the trophy and get 50,000 so obviously, the trophy is more important

For me its either we play and win the playoff final or the FAT at Wembley is a non event.

Don't write off 22 May just yet as victory on 15th will result in a rush for tickets.

Even with a double, PH has to go-he has taken us as far as he can.

Well, I'm sorry but I haven't boycotted a game in 48 years. I'm not starting with one at the National Stadium...I'll bring my dog though so two men and their dogs.

Quoted from barralad

Well, I'm sorry but I haven't boycotted a game in 48 years. I'm not starting with one at the National Stadium...I'll bring my dog though so two men and their dogs.

If we don't win the play offs Barra they'll have plenty of room to run around in, that's for sure.  !!

Quoted from barralad

Well, I'm sorry but I haven't boycotted a game in 48 years. I'm not starting with one at the National Stadium...I'll bring my dog though so two men and their dogs.

At least the dogs will chase the ball with a bit of enthusiasm so I'm sure you will give Halifax a better game as well.

Someone said just that to Fenty on his way out last night.

Quoted from Civvy at last

If we don't win the play offs Barra they'll have plenty of room to run around in, that's for sure.  !!

Quoted from ginnywings

Someone said just that to Fenty on his way out last night.

This is making me laugh.  

If last night is anything to go by I doubt we will beat Halifax anyway.  It looks all set to be a humiliating end to a humiliating season.

Quoted from RonMariner

If last night is anything to go by I doubt we will beat Halifax anyway.  It looks all set to be a humiliating end to a humiliating season.

You would have to question as a supporter how on earth the players/manager could motivate themselves more for a Trophy Final than a play off and personally they can ram it unless they have achieved an unlikely promotion the week before.I cant and wont justify wasting time,money and effort when I have seen nothing in return for Months.

I hear Vardy's going back to Halifax on loan just so he can run faster than Barra's dogs!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I hear Vardy's going back to Halifax on loan just so he can run faster than Barra's dogs!

My dog's 12 with arthritis in her back legs so he should be O.K.-just!

I can't face the prospect of Hurst beaming and smiling as if he has done a great job as he leads the team out at Wembley in the Tinpot Cup Final

If he doesn't go voluntarily after we once again fail to get promoted then he must be sacked before the 22nd.

We haven't failed to get promoted yet. Angry and dissappointed as anyone last night, but I'll save determining the outcome before it happens, and keep some optimism at least. If that turns out to be in vain, then I'll give my twopence on the future of management and players.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

For me its either we play and win the playoff final or the FAT at Wembley is a non event.

Don't write off 22 May just yet as victory on 15th will result in a rush for tickets.

Even with a double, PH has to go-he has taken us as far as he can.

Surely if he gets us promoted and wins the Trophy he has done more than required and his defensive mindset might not be a bad footing to reestablish ourselves in the league?

Sacking a manager who wins a cup and promotion? Ridiculous.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

Surely if he gets us promoted and wins the Trophy he has done more than required and his defensive mindset might not be a bad footing to reestablish ourselves in the league?

Sacking a manager who wins a cup and promotion? Ridiculous.

No-one outside of the club can know what targets P.H. has been set but it cannot be any more than promotion. There would be absolutely no justfication for sacking a manager who had just got us back in the league. The Trophy in that respect IS irrelevant....

Winning the FAT but not winning the play offs is failure pure and simple.

Getting promotion is all that counts. Nice to have a bit of silverware, but frankly I suspect most of us will think the season is over the minute we are out of the play offs.  

Quoted from barralad

No-one outside of the club can know what targets P.H. has been set but it cannot be any more than promotion. There would be absolutely no justfication for sacking a manager who had just got us back in the league. The Trophy in that respect IS irrelevant....

JF has said a few times, the minimum he expects is play offs.  Hurst has managed that for the past 4 years, so his job is safe.  AT NO TIME has JF mentioned getting promoted.

Quoted from barralad

No-one outside of the club can know what targets P.H. has been set but it cannot be any more than promotion. There would be absolutely no justfication for sacking a manager who had just got us back in the league. The Trophy in that respect IS irrelevant....

It's the cumulative effect of signing players who were only deemed good enough to play/bench-warm in the Trophy but not good enough to get in the first team.

In business, life and footy, there comes a time when you have to ask whether a manager is capable of moving the situation forward, irrespective of what has been achieved in the past.

PH is not capable of moving it forward.

Even if he gets us promoted, he should not be rewarded for that. The question is when not if to part ways.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

In business, life and footy, there comes a time when you have to ask whether a manager is capable of moving the situation forward, irrespective of what has been achieved in the past.

PH is not capable of moving it forward.

Even if he gets us promoted, he should not be rewarded for that. The question is when not if to part ways.

But getting us promoted is moving us forward.

Not if we immediately get relegated or stagnate for another 6 years.

That would happen under PH

Get a good manager like Coleman from Accrington, Still from Dagenham or Johnson from Cheltenham.

I am sick of failure

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Not if we immediately get relegated or stagnate for another 6 years.

That would happen under PH

Get a good manager like Coleman from Accrington, Still from Dagenham or Johnson from Cheltenham.

I am sick of failure

Not a big fan but surely Ronnie Moore would inject a bit of much needed energy into the club.

Though I did not like their tact tics Cheltenham impressed me at their place in that it looked like Johnson had used his experience to start building for league 2 before they had actually won the National League by building a fit, strong, bullying physical side that won't get bossed around next season.

Stranger things have happened but I cant see how he'll have a job by Monday morning if we lose. What would be the point?
Unless he's staying on for next season of course. That doesn't bare thinking about

Quoted from Tangerine Chris

JF has said a few times, the minimum he expects is play offs.  Hurst has managed that for the past 4 years, so his job is safe.  AT NO TIME has JF mentioned getting promoted.

And you believe everything that JF says?

What he should be saying to PH is failure on Sunday means the sack.

I'll be at the trophy final, only because I've promised somebody already and I don't let people down, but I won't be happy even if we win, promotion is priority and winning the trophy will not make up for not gaining promotion, therefore it shouldn't save Hursts job

I'm not going to this tin pot final, I'm also genuinely on the verge of walking away from the club. Any club that allows it's 36 goal strikers contract to expire isn't right in the head. One of many reasons, after 32 years I've had enough.

That said, I'll be there on Sunday, I'll be behind the players and the manager until Braintree are through. Then I will turn on the illegitimates! Go on Paul, shove my words down my throat.

Despite living in the London area*, unless we win on 15th I don't think I'll have the heart to turn up on 22nd. I've had enough of this under-achievement. The more people who go in those circumstances the more the board will be encouraged to persist with a failed strategy.

* I could totally understand someone not wanting to travel 160 miles to do it.

Not so long ago I would have made alternative arrangements for the family commitment I have on Sunday, and got myself a ticket by hook or by crook. I can't do it any more.

Quoted from 75

I'm not going to this tin pot final, I'm also genuinely on the verge of walking away from the club. Any club that allows it's 36 goal strikers contract to expire isn't right in the head. One of many reasons, after 32 years I've had enough.

That said, I'll be there on Sunday, I'll be behind the players and the manager until Braintree are through. Then I will turn on the illegitimates! Go on Paul, shove my words down my throat.

You make an interesting point BPV I just wonder if the apathy on the pitch may be down to certain players being p1ssed off with not having their immediate futures secured until after the Trophy final.

Think it's pretty clear
Win on Sunday or close the club
We can all get on with our lives then

Quoted from HertsGTFC

You make an interesting point BPV I just wonder if the apathy on the pitch may be down to certain players being p1ssed off with not having their immediate futures secured until after the Trophy final.

You'd be worried about going into 50/50's when you're a leg break away from losing your house.

The policy of not rewarding excellence bit us on the bottom last season when we lost our player of the year for free. It's shortsightedness at best and sums up our club. When Hurst has gone, we need to get the manager right. Cheltenham's manager won them the league, we finished 21 POINTS behind a squad no better than ours IMO. If I'm not happy with the managerial appointment then don't bother sending me the renewal pack.

Agreed

Quoted from 75

You'd be worried about going into 50/50's when you're a leg break away from losing your house.

The policy of not rewarding excellence bit us on the bottom last season when we lost our player of the year for free. It's short shortsightedness at best and sums up our club. When Hurst has gone, we need to get the manager right. Cheltenham's manager won them the league, we finished 21 POINTS behind a squad no better than ours IMO. If I'm not happy with the managerial appointment then don't bother sending me the renewal pack.

I am not sure I know another supposedly ambitious club who will lose their player of the year tow seasons but it looks highly likely we will do exactly that.

PH says that awarding deals mid season p1sses other players off but its part of the game at every professional level, we could have saved cash on the Straker, Jennings and Stewarts and spent it towards a deal for Podge. It might not have covered the whole of it but it would have been a start.

I always thought the policy of waiting until we know what division we're in before offering new contracts was the board's. Not Hursty's fault.

That being the case, my advice to the board for next season is, if the manager is Paul Hurst you can safely offer contracts for the next two seasons.  

I've always said it and we've been relatively lucky with regards to player loyalty but that not the norm. Still our best players get cherry picked and massive uncertainty every single year.

Because of a job balls ups in past (Makofo three year deal etc) we don't dare do it anymore.

Write in clauses to trigger pay increases if go up for God's sake. Or 30 gsmes triggers a year extension or whatever, sure there's plenty of fair ways to sort the wheat from the chaff

Its a win win for me.

Win on sunday win at wembley = win all round , we are promoted.

Lose on sunday  = win all round, paul hurst will no longer be Grimsby town manager and the club gets a fresh approach.


Surely .

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Its a win win for me.

Win on sunday win at wembley = win all round , we are promoted.

Lose on sunday  = win all round, paul hurst will no longer be Grimsby town manager and the club gets a fresh approach.


Surely .

Not really. We will still have the same regime running the show if we lose on Sunday and that is where the real problems lie. Our only hope is success on the pitch so let us hope we can turn it around tomorrow.

Quoted from nightrider

Stranger things have happened but I cant see how he'll have a job by Monday morning if we lose. What would be the point?
Unless he's staying on for next season of course. That doesn't bare thinking about

The 'board' will give him the Trophy game I'd have thought. But we should start interviewing before then. We are already behind in terms of preparation for next season as other clubs are releasing players, agents will already be talking and deals will have been agreed.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I always thought the policy of waiting until we know what division we're in before offering new contracts was the board's. Not Hursty's fault.

I'm sure it is, no blame attached to the manager at all here. Probably stems from the Makofo balls up, and other losers having their contract paid off but the 'board' have gone too far. We don't reward excellence, proven players that are outstanding have demonstrated their worth. It's not like when Carl Magnay or Padraig Amond leave on free transfers they won't need to be replaced is it? Then, to a degree despite some digging into their character (or am I giving them too much credit?) you are signing an unknown quantity. It's a bizarre policy, I am not naive - maybe the player himself may have clubs sniffing around, maybe Amond knows he is playing at a level or even two beneath him and wouldn't sign anyway, but the stupid policy is holding the club back. For one, I do believe Carl Magnay would have signed last January, he was on Twitter practically begging for an extension.

Anyway,  talking of paying off shite players, what would you give for Scott Neilson on the left wing tomorrow?

Quoted from 75

The 'board' will give him the Trophy game I'd have thought. But we should start interviewing before then. We are already behind in terms of preparation for next season as other clubs are releasing players, agents will already be talking and deals will have been agreed.

That's my big worry, we are going to be 3 weeks behind already with no manager. The club needs to be thinking about who they want to interview and who they'd like to pursue now. Unless we somehow win promotion, Hurst has to go as he's had enough time and he's not improving us or as a manager. If we don't get somebody in quickly to replace him then we'll lose most of the squad because they want to sort themselves out first. Then we'll be signing players when a lot have already been signed, it will lead to a very poor season next year. I really hope the board are being proactive but somehow I doubt it.

The even bigger concern is that "if" not when we sack Hurst as affirmative action cannot be guaranteed with JF and the boys our current squad will be easy pickings for other clubs as they will not sign anything until a new manager is appointed. Generally players play for managers and not clubs.

If Paul goes on the 23rd do we really expect the set of Muppets who run this club to have someone waiting in the wings.  

Oh and BTW if Hurst goes Doig needs to follow............No offence to Doigy but complete clear-out required.

To not get promoted isn't a 'win' in any shape  or form, johnnyboy. I'll take no pleasure in getting rid of a manager because we'll still be in non-league. I actually think this speaks volumes that the two outcomes are comparable (even equal) in some people's eyes.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I always thought the policy of waiting until we know what division we're in before offering new contracts was the board's. Not Hursty's fault.

That being the case, my advice to the board for next season is, if the manager is Paul Hurst you can safely offer contracts for the next two seasons.  

Very nicely put KM.  

Whilst the policy is understandable - at least in a financial perspective - it does suggest that as a football club we're not confident of spotting a player we want, and want to hang on to regardless (e.g. Podge).
I'd trust AB's opinion on a player (still), though whether the club takes advantage of his 1,000+ games as a manager I couldn't say.

The point I'm trying to make is that we appear to be set up not to succeed....'from the top'.

Most clubs in this league would be delighted to have our fan-base (spoilt or otherwise) without a doubt.

Regarding contracts, there isn't a right answer. I personally feel that the players have to earn the contract.

I hope to God we rediscover our last seasons away form and beat a well prepared Braintree side tomorrow, and if we don't then Hurst has to go... Not for any dislike of the man, I do think he has a post playing career in football but not as a manager. He clearly has an eye for a player, and if we fail tomorrow he should go into scouting and we can find a manager with the minerals to take us up.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

Regarding contracts, there isn't a right answer. I personally feel that the players have to earn the contract.

Do you not think Amond had earned a contract extension by January when he'd bagged about 20 goals? Now I fully expect him to leave on a free transfer. Great business that.

Is the oft-repeated notion that Hurst 'clearly has an eye for a player' a bit of a myth, or at least, a received idea?

Seems to me that he's signed just as many duffs as good players. His acquisitions in the January window were of a generally substandard quality and haven't strengthened what is already a fairly average team give or take one or two outstanding individuals. Look at our options for Sunday in terms of who could come into the team and provide something different or offer an improvement. Hmm. Not good is it.

There are many sources of information on players and clubs have scouts and contacts. I'd say that he's no better or worse than most other managers at 'spotting a player', plus spotting, and signing players are two different things, to say nothing of the ability to be able to manage, coach and improve them. Look at all the players he has now and those he has acquired in his 6 year tenure. How many great players has he spotted, signed, improved, and used effectively to deliver some success?

Rather like this received idea that we have 'the strongest squad in the division', the assumption that he clearly has an eye for a player is paper thin on evidence IMO.

Quoted from chaos33

Is the oft-repeated notion that Hurst 'clearly has an eye for a player' a bit of a myth, or at least, a received idea?

Seems to me that he's signed just as many duffs as good players. His acquisitions in the January window were of a generally substandard quality and haven't strengthened what is already a fairly average team give or take one or two outstanding individuals. Look at our options for Sunday in terms of who could come into the team and provide something different or offer an improvement. Hmm. Not good is it.

There are many sources of information on players and clubs have scouts and contacts. I'd say that he's no better or worse than most other managers at 'spotting a player', plus spotting, and signing players are two different things, to say nothing of the ability to be able to manage, coach and improve them. Look at all the players he has now and those he has acquired in his 6 year tenure. How many great players has he spotted, signed, improved, and used effectively to deliver some success?

Rather like this received idea that we have 'the strongest squad in the division', the assumption that he clearly has an eye for a player is paper thin on evidence IMO.

Exactly.

Quoted from chaos33

Is the oft-repeated notion that Hurst 'clearly has an eye for a player' a bit of a myth, or at least, a received idea?

Seems to me that he's signed just as many duffs as good players.

Seems to me he's signed many more duffs - and wasn't it Watkiss who recommended Townsend and Toto who gave him the word about Podge?

Plus he's looked at a couple of players he decided we couldn't use, who've been instrumental in Cheltenham's stroll to the title.

How many decent players has he failed to improve? Cook, Nielson, Bogle, every youngster who gets a contract....

Think PH can only see one way to do things, and is too stubborn to learn.