Hint of handball....

Not a chance. That is all.

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It's a poem.  

As blatant a handball as you will see from Serge but hey we take the rough with the smooth  

WAHEY, WHO CARES!

Handball?  Sorry - I didn't see a thing.  

It hit his hand but it would have been harsh

A handball requires deliberate contact by the player. I don't think anybody could claim Serge bounced it deliberately!

Probably 95% of referees would have given a free-kick there. Nice to see a referee actually applying the rules correctly for a change...  

As wenger would say I truly did not get a view who cares, for once it went our way

From where I was it looked blatent and deliberate enough but wey-hey, who gives a intercourse !

Wonder, could the ref have overseen it because of the I'Anson's effort that looked as if it may have crossed the line ?

Ref was poor and got some stick tonight, but cheers mate, you've done us proud !  

It actually hit his hand in the other attack about a minute before we scored aswell lol almost the exact same position maybe our luck is finally changing, a penno last week and a ball to hand that is given 8 times out of 10 tonight which resulted in a goal .

UTM

Was you there tonight ? Thought the ref had a reasonable game ok there may have been a few contagious decisions eg was it over the line was it handball ? But on the whole thought he quite a good game which was also backed up by the assessor after the game

Had a fair slice of the luck tonight I think. McKeown tipped onto the post and made a save that he didn't know much about just before. Definite handball from Makofo, but who cares?!

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Was you there tonight ? Thought the ref had a reasonable game ok there may have been a few contagious decisions eg was it over the line was it handball ? But on the whole thought he quite a good game which was also backed up by the assessor after the game

They do seem to catch on!   There were also a few contentious decisions IMO!!!

I think we were the better team overall and yes we did ride our luck a bit but justice was done in the end.
Bradley Woods played brill tonight and was easily my man of the match. Elding missed some chances but I think he played really well and kept winning his headers and knock on's for Hearn.

Negatives were Panther who made loads of mistakes in the first half and looked really nervous everytime someone passed to him and Serge who although scored with a lovely "Harlem Globe Trotter move" , was largely disappointing.

A decent battling performance against a poor League 2 side !

UTM

From where I was sat (Lower Findus towards the Ponny) it looked a blatant handball. But as mention previously who gives a flying intercourse; we deserved to win!

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

They do seem to catch on!   There were also a few contentious decisions IMO!!!

Lol chuffing I pad again trying to guess what I am typing

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Lol chuffing I pad again trying to guess what I am typing

You use that i pad to put in your final predictions to Les mate in the predictions competition  

Can't believe for the last 2 home matches we've got away with blatant handball!
Believe me from where I'm sat in the Pontoon Serge has created 2 goals with the might of his MIT! (whether he meant to or not)!!
Think in his spare time he's been playing volleyball!!
Nice one Serge, keep this new tactic going, as the refs in this league are so shite you might just keep getting away with it  

Clearly patted the ball down with his hand and amazed that the ref allowed the goal but having seen it back it looked as if the ref may have had some chunk of a Port Vale player between him and the incident.

I was amazed at the lack of reaction from some of the Port Vale players but I got the impression they were not that bothered whether they won or lost, just wondered if they are playing to get Micky Adams the sack.

The ball bounced up onto his hand and back down to his feet. Clearly, there is no intent at all so the laws say that it wasn't a handball.

Of course, in the real world, most referees would have given it as a handball whether it was intentional or not.

[quote=748]You use that i pad to put in your final predictions to Les mate in the predictions

I have done so every week and  ;each Saturday I check and think did I really predict that  

Looked a clear handball to me but overall I thought the referee was very good. Generally he let the players get on with it, wasnt over fussy and let it flow.

I thought the ref, let them away with a lot of fouls such as jumping into players and high feet, gave them numerous free kicks which they played for. That said Vale seemed to be very canny, for instance bringing Makofo down just outside our box by their defender to break up the counter attack and being caught out of position. Serge intentionally used his hand by his side to pat the ball past the defenders I was sat right in front of it both times, ergo the pontoon breaking into song "Are we playing basketball".

I didn't see a deliberate handball.

But then again I was 120 miles away watching House on tv.

By the laws of the game it wasn't handball as the ref didn't penalise Makofo n the goal stood, so Serges Meadowlark skills paid dividend! Watch us moan like hell the first time it happens agin us!

Remember conlon pen against Aldershot a couple of years ago, he handled it, claimed the pen, scored the winner from it five mins from time.

when the ball hits his hand
but the ref lets it stand

thats makofo

CLASSIC  

it was nicked from wickers

Quoted from Maringer

The ball bounced up onto his hand and back down to his feet. Clearly, there is no intent at all so the laws say that it wasn't a handball.

Of course, in the real world, most referees would have given it as a handball whether it was intentional or not.

The law also stats controlling the ball... To me if the ball is bouncing away and it hits the hand/arm then falls at his feet thats controlling meaning to or not. Assistant should have given that right in front of him. Hey ho as somebody said rough with the smooth

I'd argue that the ref was unsighted by Makofo's body. It was blind side of him and the angle he was at he wouldn't have any clear view of a hand hitting the ball. The lino however.......!!

Quoted from timmo

The law also stats controlling the ball... To me if the ball is bouncing away and it hits the hand/arm then falls at his feet thats controlling meaning to or not. Assistant should have given that right in front of him. Hey ho as somebody said rough with the smooth

Nope, it doesn't matter where the ball has gone if the action of touching the ball with the hand wasn't deliberate. In theory, an attacker could knock the ball into the goal with his hand and be awarded a goal if the action was unintentional. Intent is the only thing of relevance, but most referees bottle it and award free-kicks where the ball has clearly hit a hand/arm.

Put it this way, I don't think many referees would have awarded a penalty if the ball had bounced up onto a defender's arm in that manner but I think most would award a defensive free-kick when it happens to a forward.

It's nice to get the benefit of the doubt, even though we benefited from the erroneous penalty decision on Saturday!

The ball didn't bounce up n hit Makofo, it was directly in front of us twice and on both occasions Makofo deliberately patted the ball a la basketball style and was not seen by the ref, therefore no handball goal stood UTM.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Clearly patted the ball down with his hand and amazed that the ref allowed the goal but having seen it back

Where did  you see it?

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with
the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into
consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an
infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)
counts as an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an
infringement

This is from the 'Laws of the game' and what we teach on Referee courses. I was not at the game so can not comment on Mokofo and his handling of the situation. The commentators on RH did not mention handball as I recall so it was blind side to them as well.
UTMM

Quoted from Maringer

Nope, it doesn't matter where the ball has gone if the action of touching the ball with the hand wasn't deliberate. In theory, an attacker could knock the ball into the goal with his hand and be awarded a goal if the action was unintentional. Intent is the only thing of relevance, but most referees bottle it and award free-kicks where the ball has clearly hit a hand/arm.

Put it this way, I don't think many referees would have awarded a penalty if the ball had bounced up onto a defender's arm in that manner but I think most would award a defensive free-kick when it happens to a forward.

It's nice to get the benefit of the doubt, even though we benefited from the erroneous penalty decision on Saturday!

Trust me on this 1. If you control the ball with your hand its an offence.

Intent? There is no such word in the Laws of the Game. Youve got that from the pundits on MOTD

The clue about the pontoons view was echoed in the brief song "are we playing basketball"!

Quoted from timmo

Trust me on this 1. If you control the ball with your hand its an offence.

Intent? There is no such word in the Laws of the Game. Youve got that from the pundits on MOTD

Are you sure ?

If you accidentally handle or can't avoid it, I would argue it's NOT just so long as it doesn't prevent a goal or a goalscoring opportunity.

Imagine if a guy has literally fallen asleep leaning against the goal post with his arm.
The ball heads towards goal but hits his arm and prevents the goal.
Is it penalty ? Yes.

But I don't buy any shot whacked at 100mph straight onto the arm of an opponent when it's not even heading towards goal is one.

As I say I don't know the rules, but IMO that's what common sense should say.

Law stats deliberate, we get told as part of the term deliberate to also include controlling it. Its what the referee deems as deliberate. As Gobby stated those things are what we are traught to look at, in the ponny at the time my 1st thought was handball because his used his arm/hand to gain an advantage, 'intentionally' or not

Quoted from timmo

Law stats deliberate, we get told as part of the term deliberate to also include controlling it. Its what the referee deems as deliberate. As Gobby stated those things are what we are traught to look at, in the ponny at the time my 1st thought was handball because his used his arm/hand to gain an advantage, 'intentionally' or not

So if a defender had done what Serge did (though obviously booting the ball away from goal instead of in it*) for you it'd be a definite peno?



* Unless you're Rob Scott

yeah, the player gained an advantage. Doesnt matter where an offence is committed if its an offence it should be punished. I thought it was a crazy decision, by the assistant, but hey whos complaining its about time we had a little bit of luck.

Quoted from timmo

Trust me on this 1. If you control the ball with your hand its an offence.

Intent? There is no such word in the Laws of the Game. Youve got that from the pundits on MOTD

Believe me, MoTD has nothing to do with my viewpoint - most of the pundits on there don't seem to have a clue about the rules, despite decades playing the game.

If you do something deliberately, you have an intent to do it. If it is not deliberate there is no intent. In the context of my previous post they mean the same thing.

If the ball hits your hand and you didn't intend it to i.e. you didn't let the ball hit you deliberately or deliberately touch the ball, it doesn't matter if it lands straight at your feet or bounces up into row Z, it shouldn't be penalised.

Gobby quotes the particular law of the game in his post above so I'm not quite sure how you can read that and believe that controlling the ball accidentally with your hand somehow becomes an offence?

just seen the look north's view.
great goal and celebration

utfm  

Personally, I don't think there's any doubt that there's deliberate control from Serge. Who cares? Round Two, bit of prize money and a bit of excitement and magic in an otherwise dull season. Long may the luck continue.

Ok i see what you mean now regarding intent. Intent gets thrown around too much such as when people say 'aww ref come on he didnt intend to' etc no but he did.

We get told if your arms are in an 'un natural' postion aka not the normal walking position, if there is no chance of the player pulling his arm away.

In our situation the balls stuck his hand then fell at his feet for him to then put it in the back of the net, if thats not gaining an advantage then i dont know what is.

I think the thing is that referees tend give a handball when the ball clearly hits the hand or arm whether or not it was deliberate. However, whether or not this is given usually depends where on the pitch the incident takes place and by which side.

For instance, few referees would have awarded a penalty if the ball had bounced up onto the arm of the defender in that manner but most would have awarded a free-kick when the ball hits an attacker in the same way. On the other hand, if the incident had been in the middle of the pitch, referees would give the free-kick most of the time!

The fact that the ref applied the rules correctly on this occasion is unusual, but I'm not complaining!

I've now seen the brief replay on Look North and still think it was accidental - I don't think Serge is clever enough to control it like that deliberately.  

You must be the only one then, even the tv replays showed it from different angles and used the basketball analogy!! Glad I pay no interest to your opinions on matches! Hand at shoulder level not a natural position and blatant downward movement to control the ball. But eh oh as previously said Goal counted so no handball! Spec savers next stop for you I suggest, then the upcoming refs course n learn the application of the laws of the game.

Oooh, get her!

It counted, he scored, don't knock a bit of luck going our way for once this season - how many dodgy not over the line disallowed goals this year? - how many penalties have we been awarded this year??

Refs give us next to nothing, so I have no sympathy for another to get it wrong, but our way for once !!

A good run of luck for the rest of this season is well overdue, it would also help if players in the team perform to their potential.

Good luck to both newcomers on loan !

ye defo handball,he new what he was doing and did exact same thing seconds earlier.ball not over line from header and i thought ref had a decent game but  good job lino missed handball as well.
great to see/hear crowd getting behind the lads and hope it continues.also just a quick word about elding who i thought was very good and close to m o t m