JT’s succesor

Abu Obaida as Tondeur’s replacement?

Quoted from Grimsby Is Not In Yorkshire

Cannot stand BBC, way too left leaning. If you think they’re impartial why did they refuse to call hamas terrorists when they executed thousands of innocent Israelis last year? I bet if it had been the other way around they’d have called the IDF terrorists. Gary Linekar sums the beeb up for me. No thanks.

Government ministers, newspaper columnists, ordinary people - they're all asking why the BBC doesn't say the Hamas gunmen who carried out appalling atrocities in southern Israel are terrorists.
The answer goes right back to the BBC's founding principles.
Terrorism is a loaded word, which people use about an outfit they disapprove of morally. It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn - who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
We regularly point out that the British and other governments have condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation, but that's their business. We also run interviews with guests and quote contributors who describe Hamas as terrorists.
The key point is that we don't say it in our voice. Our business is to present our audiences with the facts, and let them make up their own minds.
As it happens, of course, many of the people who've attacked us for not using the word terrorist have seen our pictures, heard our audio or read our stories, and made up their minds on the basis of our reporting, so it's not as though we're hiding the truth in any way - far from it.
Any reasonable person would be appalled by the kind of thing we've seen. It's perfectly reasonable to call the incidents that have occurred "atrocities", because that's exactly what they are.
No-one can possibly defend the murder of civilians, especially children and even babies - nor attacks on innocent, peace-loving people who are attending a music festival.

Note, they aren't calling the IDF terrorists, either. Hamas kicked it all off with their terrorist attacks (well, the latest round of this never-ending conflict), but the IDF is killing innocent civilians in the tens of thousands and deliberately starving millions. That's a bit terroristy if you ask me.

The Israeli settlers currently stealing Palestinian land whilst backed by the IDF are certainly terrorists by any definition of the term, but the Beeb isn't calling them that, either.

Can all just agree that Netanyahu is the biggest villain of the piece? One of the very worst people on the planet who has been stoking conflict in the region to stay in power for years.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Government ministers, newspaper columnists, ordinary people - they're all asking why the BBC doesn't say the Hamas gunmen who carried out appalling atrocities in southern Israel are terrorists.
The answer goes right back to the BBC's founding principles.
Terrorism is a loaded word, which people use about an outfit they disapprove of morally. It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn - who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
We regularly point out that the British and other governments have condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation, but that's their business. We also run interviews with guests and quote contributors who describe Hamas as terrorists.
The key point is that we don't say it in our voice. Our business is to present our audiences with the facts, and let them make up their own minds.
As it happens, of course, many of the people who've attacked us for not using the word terrorist have seen our pictures, heard our audio or read our stories, and made up their minds on the basis of our reporting, so it's not as though we're hiding the truth in any way - far from it.
Any reasonable person would be appalled by the kind of thing we've seen. It's perfectly reasonable to call the incidents that have occurred "atrocities", because that's exactly what they are.
No-one can possibly defend the murder of civilians, especially children and even babies - nor attacks on innocent, peace-loving people who are attending a music festival.

Spot on.

Any chance we can start a thread under “politics and the BBC”, put it in non football and then the rights and wrongs can be put in there, while this thread talks about JTs successor

Quoted from Maringer

Note, they aren't calling the IDF terrorists, either. Hamas kicked it all off with their terrorist attacks (well, the latest round of this never-ending conflict), but the IDF is killing innocent civilians in the tens of thousands and deliberately starving millions. That's a bit terroristy if you ask me.
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The definition of terrorism is acts of violence (or threats or perceived threats) carried out by non governmental organisations. Hamas are technically not a terrorist organisation because they have a role in the government of Gaza/Palestine but several countries have defined them as a terrorist organisation as this fits their commentary. The IDF cannot be a terrorist organisation because they are the official Israeli army and are acting on orders from the Israeli government.

It is possible to see the Hamas attacks on Israel as terrorism (they were not the acts of and ordered by a Gaza/Palestinian government) while the Israeli response could be characterised as invasion, regime change or attempted genocide but not terrorism. Israel's own characterisation of it as self defence is designed to appease public opinion across the world while justifying huge casualties and attacks on schools and hospitals among other targets.

Oxford dictionary definition:

noun
noun: terrorism

    the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

No mentions of governments in there, that I can see.

The question is, when will JT or Matt Dean interject and tell us what they think about the whole Palestine question?

how has a discussion on who might/should replace JT turned into "who is a terrorist? Hamas or the IDF?"

P.S. The answer is both.

Was talking to someone at work about this on Tuesday. They were wearing a Palestinian flag on their jumper. I couldn’t understand why, as he’s from dungannon. And he said due to the ongoing dispute. I asked how he picks a side and if he is on russias side too, because, like hamas did in Israel, Russia invaded and decided to have a bit of fisticuffs with Ukraine.

Now, I can’t claim to know anything about either of the ‘wars’, I leave that to all the experts on social media.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

No-one can possibly defend the murder of civilians, especially children and even babies .

You need to brush up your history a bit. I'd suggest starting with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

This has swerved a bit far from JT though. Aside from known quantities, surely there's some young media pups from Grimsby looking for a break like this.