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Quoted from Mappers

These stats can be quite flawed though , players like Carrick and Busquets always had seriously high pass completion rate  yet just rolled it to the CB's / sidewards all game .

Quoted from diehardmariner

That's interesting regards Morris/Green with their ball retention.  I would have thought Morris' ball retention rate would be much higher because he often plays a very simple, short pass to the nearest player to him.

If we're talking ideal world and we've got someone in that holding midfield role (again, talking about a 3-man midfield rather than a 2) then you want someone who isn't just there to break up play but also ping it about effectively too.  There's an art to retaining possession but then there's actually doing something with that possession too.  Not every pass has to be one that splits a defence apart.  But the pass needs a purpose, even if it's just slightly building up the chain by moving someone out of place slightly or picking up the tempo.  As harsh as it sounds, I don't see that when Morris passes the ball, it's akin to those free-kicks where one player moves it forward about three inches for the other player to then make a simple pass to someone else.

Morris' positional sense is ok but just that.  It's not exceptional.   He'll react to play quite play but he doesn't anticipate.  Again, it's very aspirational and difficult to get at this level but if we're deploying someone in that role they need to have something that really justifies it.  Unfortunately I don't think Morris has that in his locker.  Green on the otherhand does have his sheer tenacity and for all his criticism rather his actual footballing ability I think he's alright.  His anticipation of play is far better than he gets credit for, which is why he often manages to get in the way of opposition play.  Same with Waterfall, that doesn't continually happen by luck.

The emergence of Khouri will add a different element to how Hurst looks at his midfield next season, as will our ability/inability to hold onto Clifton.

Quoted from Maringer

On Tuesday, a few of his passes went astray in the first half, which was much the same as most of his teammates. Much better in the second as he kept it simple and retained possession well.

He's not a silky ball player, but I wouldn't say he's any worse at keeping possession than Holohan. There's always room for a grafter alongside the better ball players. Unless we sign better, of course.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The alternative argument might be that there's a reason Morris has played League One and why Green's career has been almost exclusively non league. If we are to progress, we need better players and other players in the past who had 'tenacity' as an attribute could also either add goals, movement or aerial ability - in Paul Groves and John Cockerill's case, all of the above.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Most of our midfielders are contracted for next season!

Quoted from diehardmariner

Yep, fair points.  

You can also counter that Morris' career appears to be on a downward trajectory whereas Green's is upwards.

No doubt that neither Morris or Green are likely to be good enough to take us back to levels we all remember fondly.  But for the here and now, if I had to choose between the two I would go for Green.  I think he's got more than just tenacity to his game, but that alone is more significant than what Morris brings.
At no point am I comparing the two, but for all the adulation he received Alan Pouton offered very little in terms of actual output until he started taking penalties.  Technically he was miles below a lot of his team-mates but he gave us an edge that we didn't otherwise have.  It was that edge and tenacity that set him apart from the likes of Stuart Campbell, Danny Butterfield, Wayne Burnett...all players he paired in midfield with who were levels above him with the ball.  But he complimented them and vice-versa.  To me that how's you get the best out of someone like Green, you put them with a better footballer and he does their dirty work.

Quoted from Marshy634

Green is only affective in hoofball games. When its horrible pitches and he can be hussle and bussle. Which is what leauge 2 is about mostly so probably do suit it more but for me its crap to watch and he hasnt been involved in many outstanding team perfomaces this season and many wins. He looks clueless when he has the ball.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Yep, fair points.  

You can also counter that Morris' career appears to be on a downward trajectory whereas Green's is upwards.

No doubt that neither Morris or Green are likely to be good enough to take us back to levels we all remember fondly.  But for the here and now, if I had to choose between the two I would go for Green.  I think he's got more than just tenacity to his game, but that alone is more significant than what Morris brings

At no point am I comparing the two, but for all the adulation he received Alan Pouton offered very little in terms of actual output until he started taking penalties.  Technically he was miles below a lot of his team-mates but he gave us an edge that we didn't otherwise have.  It was that edge and tenacity that set him apart from the likes of Stuart Campbell, Danny Butterfield, Wayne Burnett...all players he paired in midfield with who were levels above him with the ball.  But he complimented them and vice-versa.  To me that how's you get the best out of someone like Green, you put them with a better footballer and he does their dirty work.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Bryn Morris’ pass completion is only 65.6% in League 2 this season. That ranks him 181st out of 346 in the division. i.e. he gives the ball away far too much.

But he’s not the only one…

Gavan Holohan pass completion is 65.8%. Harry Clifton is 64.3%. And Kieran Green’s is even lower at 56.3%.

Alex Hunt is 77.6%.

For context George Moncur is 1st in League 2 with 88.5% pass completion. There are 17 players in League 2 with 80% or higher.

This is the key area he need to improve.