Mason Greenwood

Quoted from mimma

Lot of people on here seem to know all the "facts" and can make all sorts of stories up to suit their own moral standpoint. The only fact is we don't know what exactly has gone on and why the decision has been reached, but that doesn't stop anyone from drawing their own conclusions

Ah, the rapist defenders have logged on. I’ll leave you to it then.

Quoted from mimma

Lot of people on here seem to know all the "facts" and can make all sorts of stories up to suit their own moral standpoint. The only fact is we don't know what exactly has gone on and why the decision has been reached, but that doesn't stop anyone from drawing their own conclusions

That voicenote sounded pretty damning to me.

Quoted from Poojah

I think the problem he’s got is that some of what happened is the public domain (the clip in which he’s heard to be forcing himself on his girlfriend, followed by threats of physical violence).

I think back to when clubs (Sheffield United and Oldham if memory serves) tried to sign Ched Evans prior to his conviction being quashed. The clubs were prepared to do it, but threats from sponsors to pull out (as well as a handful of death threats) made it impossible for clubs to go ahead.

I suspect the same will happen to Greenwood, convicted or not. No way will the likes of Adidas be happy with him parading about on the pitch with their logo on.

If he plays professional football again, I predict it won’t be in this country.

I wasn’t necessarily meaning in this country mate.

Quoted from mimma

Lot of people on here seem to know all the "facts" and can make all sorts of stories up to suit their own moral standpoint. The only fact is we don't know what exactly has gone on and why the decision has been reached, but that doesn't stop anyone from drawing their own conclusions

listen to the voicenotes, look at the pictures. idiot

Be signing with a Middle East club the minute his contract is torn up, which will likely be very soon.

Cretin.

Quoted from Hagrid

Means His Victim chooses Money and Staying with him over the course of justice

Which is shocking of her, and a kick in the teeth for all victims of sexual beasts.

I hope no one in football goes anywhere near him, disgusting animal

That's a firstly outlandish comment to make. Complete conjecture.

Absolutely nowhere does it state this.

There could be many reasons behind this. Including the emotional toll on the victim that goes with such a high profile case.

To start blaming a possible rape victim for " she'd rather take money " just because she may be finding it hard to deal with both being raped and for it to be publicly known ( including the case )  is disgusting to be honest.

Innocent until proven guilty stands, but vilifying the victim is not OK.

Quoted from Grimsby2012

That's a firstly outlandish comment to make. Complete conjecture.

Absolutely nowhere does it state this.

There could be many reasons behind this. Including the emotional toll on the victim that goes with such a high profile case.

To start blaming a possible rape victim for " she'd rather take money " just because she may be finding it hard to deal with both being raped and for it to be publicly known ( including the case )  is disgusting to be honest.

Innocent until proven guilty stands, but vilifying the victim is not OK.

its all over the media, they are back together, and the fact that a key witness is now no longer willing to testify, says it all.

Reckon Man Utd will try and shift him on loan abroad.

The voice note made me feel physically sick.

Should "innocent until proven guilty" apply to society as a whole?

Inevitably, there will be those who argue that Greenwood should be able to move on with his life as if nothing has happened; anything else would amount to a "cancellation". And to some extent, that point of view is justified. Greenwood does not have to prove his innocence before the law as he is no longer being accused of anything.

But given the publicly available photographs and audio recordings, I think society still has a right to treat him with heavy suspicion. Manchester United also have more than enough justification to terminate his contract if they feel he has brought the club into disrepute, or even that he poses a danger to their employees.

In terms of the actual reasons for the case being dropped, it unfortunately sounds like a classic case of coercive control, if the rumours of them getting back together are true. Even the girl's father was downplaying the recordings at the time. I hope she can see the light one day, but if the massive outpouring of public support couldn't give her the courage to leave him for good, I'm not sure what will.