Scanz interview

Thanks for that!

Scannell injured yet again today, there's definitely a player in there but......

Quoted from promotion plaice

Scannell injured yet again today, there's definitely a player in there but......

I’m sure he didn’t plan to rupture his Achilles 😢

That a disaster of an injury for him. Absolutely gutted for us and him

Pity about the injury, hes just one of those players like Wright that always pick up injuries just by playing, can't fault his application but like Max, can't afford to keep him on next season if he hardly plays.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Pity about the injury, hes just one of those players like Wright that always pick up injuries just by playing, can't fault his application but like Max, can't afford to keep him on next season if he hardly plays.

A ruptured Achilles is 9 to 12 months. An absolute disaster for the lad. A bit of compassion wouldn’t go amiss.

Knew it was bad when he came off and then the club doctor going down and then talking to Dave Moore confirmed it was a bad one.

Suspect we won't see him again. As an out of contract winger, there can't be a worse time to succumb to an injury like that.

Efete in a plastic boot today as well. I've been critical of Scannell over the last couple of years but I'm absolutely gutted for the lad, he's really made an impression the last couple of months and had a great opening 10 minutes today.

In his post match Hurst said “that’s him finished” I hope he meant for the season and not at the club.

He looked different class before the injury. Real shame but it makes any decision about a new contract redundant sadly. Really felt for him.

It was a pleasure to watch what Scannell offered in those first twenty minutes. The lad is pure class at this level. Absolutely gutted for him and us.

For me losing Scannell is far worse than losing to Maidenhead. Hopefully it’s not the end of him at our club.

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In his post match Hurst said “that’s him finished” I hope he meant for the season and not at the club.

It's a massive shame for us and him but there's zero chance we're going to offer him a contract when he's just suffered an injury that's going to keep him out until probably half way through next season at the earliest.

i'm gutted for scanz the football gods not been kind today

Can’t help but feel unfortunately it’s not just he’s season, not just his time with us but potentially his career done with if that’s correct. Such a shame for the bloke, really starting to shine for us and someone who definitely would have done us more good than bad for the run in and the play offs.

Quoted from Chrisblor

It's a massive shame for us and him but there's zero chance we're going to offer him a contract when he's just suffered an injury that's going to keep him out until probably half way through next season at the earliest.

I would hope that we look after him in terms of operation, after care and rehab.

My man of the match today for his first 10 minutes cameo. We don't need to rush into a decision as to a future contract, the main thing is to get his recovery programme started, that's the least we owe him.

Quoted from GrimRob

My man of the match today for his first 10 minutes cameo. We don't need to rush into a decision as to a future contract, the main thing is to get his recovery programme started, that's the least we owe him.

Total sickener for him and a real blow to our chances but we certainly don't 'owe' him anything and that's for sure. We've been paying his wages for 18 months when he wasn't fit for a start, he had just started to pay us back for all that if anything.

All in all its just a very unlucky, if not entirely unpredictable situation. I dare say that is the longest streak he has had playing for a team for quite some time. Like Wright he is a player that has a body that is simply not up to full time football.

Quoted from toontown

Total sickener for him and a real blow to our chances but we certainly don't 'owe' him anything and that's for sure. We've been paying his wages for 18 months when he wasn't fit for a start, he had just started to pay us back for all that if anything.

All in all its just a very unlucky, if not entirely unpredictable situation. I dare say that is the longest streak he has had playing for a team for quite some time. Like Wright he is a player that has a body that is simply not up to full time football.

As you’re clearly medically trained, please tell me how a ruptured Achilles is ‘not entirely unpredictable’. FFS.

Was a pleasure to watch today until he went off. As others have said, I hope we look after his recovery, even if he ends up retiring. Apparently he's a really top bloke as well.

If he can't play again, is there an insurance payment for crocked footballers?

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As you’re clearly medically trained, please tell me how a ruptured Achilles is ‘not entirely unpredictable’. FFS.

Him not being able to maintain fitness is not surprising, In fact it's to be expected, albeit very unfortunate cos the guy looks a class above when he plays. The key part of that statement being 'when he plays'. Hes managed about 10 or 12 games a year consistently for years now.

Quoted from toontown

Him not being able to maintain fitness is not surprising, In fact it's to be expected, albeit very unfortunate cos the guy looks a class above when he plays. The key part of that statement being 'when he plays'. Hes managed about 10 or 12 games a year consistently for years now.

A ruptured Achilles is absolutely fuckall to do with fitness.

It seems what most of you are presuming, and we don't know either way as yet, is that he hasn't already signed an extension.

There has been no word on any contract talks so depending on whether Hurst and/or JS and AP think he is deserving of another contract, he and others could already have signed on the dotted line.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

A ruptured Achilles is absolutely fuckall to do with fitness.

Well your not fit when you've got one that's for sure

It's a terrible shame on a day when absolutely nothing went right. The fans were not too disappointed as most realised it was just one of those days.

I just hope and pray we can get the point we need on Tuesday and are able to rest a few at the weekend.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It's a terrible shame on a day when absolutely nothing went right. The fans were not too disappointed as most realised it was just one of those days.

I just hope and pray we can get the point we need on Tuesday and are able to rest a few at the weekend.

100% this

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m sure he didn’t plan to rupture his Achilles 😢

I'm sure he didn't but he seems to be prone to injury.
Being hard-nosed about it his playing days came to a stutter in 2017-18 when he was on loan to Burton. It's all fits and starts since, and his time at GTFC is just a continuance. Not sure how many games he's played for us, but I guess 25% of possible?
Shame but there it is.

Quoted from GrimPol

I'm sure he didn't but he seems to be prone to injury.
Being hard-nosed about it his playing days came to a stutter in 2017-18 when he was on loan to Burton. It's all fits and starts since, and his time at GTFC is just a continuance. Not sure how many games he's played for us, but I guess 25% of possible?
Shame but there it is.

I’d like to be a bit less blasé about an injury to possibly our most talented player. All season we’ve been going on about Max getting fitter, and without being disrespectful, he’s nothing like at the same level as Scanz. I hope he gets properly looked after and that yesterday wasn’t his last game as a pro footballer.

From a purely selfish point of view, it compounds matters quite significantly. We're now looking at going into the playoffs with no Scannell, Efete and at best a half fit McAtee, plus I didn't think Amos looked 100% yesterday. That's basically all our threat gone.

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From a purely selfish point of view, it compounds matters quite significantly. We're now looking at going into the playoffs with no Scannell, Efete and at best a half fit McAtee, plus I didn't think Amos looked 100% yesterday. That's basically all our threat gone.

Add to that JMD who’s nowhere near fit & Holohan who was once again blowing out of his backside after half an hour.

Quoted from Mariner_09

From a purely selfish point of view, it compounds matters quite significantly. We're now looking at going into the playoffs with no Scannell, Efete and at best a half fit McAtee, plus I didn't think Amos looked 100% yesterday. That's basically all our threat gone.

understandable if we miss out because of this, but it won't stop the fans moaning if we dont go up.  Some are so unrealistic with their expectations.

Bloody hell listening to you guys we might as well tell the league we’ll give our playoff place to someone else as we have no chance at all……It’s a lottery, anything can happen, we still have plenty of talent and I don’t believe that Mcatee will only be half fit….

Quoted from oochiad

Bloody hell listening to you guys we might as well tell the league we’ll give our playoff place to someone else as we have no chance at all……It’s a lottery, anything can happen, we still have plenty of talent and I don’t believe that Mcatee will only be half fit….

I see that you have posted 1600 or so times but your comment suggests that you may be new here. Or you are one of those people who supports Town but is not actually from Grimsby and therefore have never truly achieved (or understood) the Olympic levels of pessimism that are part and parcel of Grimsbyness.

You will only truly master the zen of this when you are stood in the Town end at The London Stadium in late May, Town are leading 3-0 with 4 minutes to go and Wrexham have just had their third defender sent off. If you think 'I'd take the draw now' you are truly home.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’d like to be a bit less blasé about an injury to possibly our most talented player. All season we’ve been going on about Max getting fitter, and without being disrespectful, he’s nothing like at the same level as Scanz. I hope he gets properly looked after and that yesterday wasn’t his last game as a pro footballer.

There is no doubt he's a class act, but there is a reason he's playing in Tier5 dropping from Tier2. He spends too much time in the clinic.
If he could go through a season clear, the fact is he wouldn't be playing for us. That's how it works at our level.
PH must have "gambled" on a few good games from him. Has it paid off, each to their own opinion?

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I see that you have posted 1600 or so times but your comment suggests that you may be new here. Or you are one of those people who supports Town but is not actually from Grimsby and therefore have never truly achieved (or understood) the Olympic levels of pessimism that are part and parcel of Grimsbyness.

You will only truly master the zen of this when you are stood in the Town end at The London Stadium in late May, Town are leading 3-0 with 4 minutes to go and Wrexham have just had their third defender sent off. If you think 'I'd take the draw now' you are truly home.

Ha ha ha! I like it! I try to be optimistic but I agree it’s bloody hard at times!😂🤣😂

Quoted from GrimPol

I'm sure he didn't but he seems to be prone to injury.
Being hard-nosed about it his playing days came to a stutter in 2017-18 when he was on loan to Burton. It's all fits and starts since, and his time at GTFC is just a continuance. Not sure how many games he's played for us, but I guess 25% of possible?
Shame but there it is.

I think he has started 11 games in two seasons.

Considering his appearances over the past 5 or 6 years It would be utter madness to sign him next season especially as I would think he is one of the highest paid players.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I think he has started 11 games in two seasons.

Considering his appearances over the past 5 or 6 years It would be utter madness to sign him next season especially as I would think he is one of the highest paid players.

Sadly, I have to agree with this. He's been class when he's been fit but he's just not fit enough of the time.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Sadly, I have to agree with this. He's been class when he's been fit but he's just not fit enough of the time.

Given the gravity of the injury, he won’t be playing for anyone much before the end of next season.

Saturday was the first time I'd seen him since his emergence as a starter in recent weeks and for the 13 minutes he played he was brilliant. Even with 10 men I think the game would have played out differently if you take it that his performance lasted the entire 90.

Quite obviously that wasn't the case so no point dwelling on the game. For a new deal though I think he's blown his chance of getting one. I was chatting with my brother-in-law the other week and said that I thought if he maintained his form and fitness it wouldn't be out the question that he'd get a new deal, get injured and that's him done at GTFC.

Sadly - sort of - I think he's going to be gone now. It's sad because we've finally seen the talent he has in recent weeks, albeit not exactly a lengthy period of time. At the same time though, we knew his ability to stay injury free was questionable as has proven to be the case so it's not as if we're set to lose a mainstay of the side.

Even though we've barely seen him I hope the Club look after him. Hurst clearly liked his character enough to keep him even though he wasn't likely to feature much and has spoken highly of him behind the scenes.

If a player is injured playing for Town and while he is off injured his contract runs out is he booted out the door or do we keep paying him until the injury clears up ?. I know what seems fair.

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If a player is injured playing for Town and while he is off injured his contract runs out is he booted out the door or do we keep paying him until the injury clears up ?. I know what seems fair.

A contract is a contract and when it ends the player is given another one or leaves injured or not, in exactly the same way your best player could just walk away if their contract is up.

As regards Scannell considering minutes on the pitch he has been very well paid.

I know what I would do with Scans.  We will not get another player of HIS ability easily . Give him a six month rolling contract on a mutually agreed wage . If he can come back from this latest injury which no one could predict then we have a player on our hands.  If he can't get fit we have only lost 6 months wages max .

The road to recovery is a tough one so being around Grimsby might actually be exactly what he doesn't need but under the new ownership, things are supposed to be done differently. Scannell is a good player, he probably knows a lot of talented people in the game and if we can ensure we do everything we can do to make his long recovery as positive as possible then we should.

Like I said, it might benefit him to go back to somewhere he's got support around him so we should let him do that but we should also check in on him regularly, use our contacts to help set him up with a club to train at in his recovery if that is what he needs.

What happened to him on Saturday has basically made him unemployable as a player for the next 9-12 months. He is a 31 year old bloke, he is likely to have financial responsibilities to meet and I think the least we can do, is help the lad out.

Sadly I think this one has now reached a natural conclusion and has probably cleared up one of PH’s summer headaches. I can’t see how a club at this level can give a contract to someone we know won’t kick a ball before Xmas at the earliest. It would have been interesting to know if the manager would have given him a new deal if it ran out last summer, again probably not in my opinion.

I wish the lad all the best though, here or not. He’s been professional enough while out of the team, apparently the lads love him and he’s been very good during his little cameo at the back end of this season. I actually think it would fit in with the ethos of JS and AP to continue to support him in his recovery until he finds a new employer. But we’ll move on, plenty of quality players available this summer.

Quoted from arryarryarry

A contract is a contract and when it ends the player is given another one or leaves injured or not, in exactly the same way your best player could just walk away if their contract is up.

As regards Scannell considering minutes on the pitch he has been very well paid.

Agreed. However plenty of examples of clubs allowing the player to make use of club doctors, physio’s, facilities etc to recover, even if they don’t have a contract.

Sam Habergham for example thanked a club for their help in his recovery prior to joining us last year.

I would imagine geography is a problem, and Scannell would want to head towards home, but stranger things have happened.

Quoted from blundellpork

Agreed. However plenty of examples of clubs allowing the player to make use of club doctors, physio’s, facilities etc to recover, even if they don’t have a contract.

Sam Habergham for example thanked a club for their help in his recovery prior to joining us last year.

I would imagine geography is a problem, and Scannell would want to head towards home, but stranger things have happened.

I don't have a problem with that, except it shouldn't be at the cost to the club apart from utilising facilities that are already there, but I would have thought that if he is not being paid a wage then would he want to travel to Grimsby on a regular basis?

Quoted from barrattstandman

I know what I would do with Scans.  We will not get another player of HIS ability easily . Give him a six month rolling contract on a mutually agreed wage . If he can come back from this latest injury which no one could predict then we have a player on our hands.  If he can't get fit we have only lost 6 months wages max .

I think you misunderstand what a rolling contract means. Say we give him until Xmas to get fit and then at that time we make a decision to get rid, then he still has six months left on his contract. Effectively he will have been paid for a year in that scenario.

Quoted from blundellpork

Agreed. However plenty of examples of clubs allowing the player to make use of club doctors, physio’s, facilities etc to recover, even if they don’t have a contract.

Sam Habergham for example thanked a club for their help in his recovery prior to joining us last year.

I would imagine geography is a problem, and Scannell would want to head towards home, but stranger things have happened.

Have you been to Croydon?

Quoted from arryarryarry

I don't have a problem with that, except it shouldn't be at the cost to the club apart from utilising facilities that are already there, but I would have thought that if he is not being paid a wage then would he want to travel to Grimsby on a regular basis?

I'm glad you're not my boss.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I'm glad you're not my boss.

I'm glad I'm not your boss and I had over 30 years of being a boss.

If his contract is ended then GTFC wouldn't be his boss.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I'm glad I'm not your boss and I had over 30 years of being a boss.

If his contract is ended then GTFC wouldn't be his boss.

I hope the club show a fair bit more compassion than you propose. Whilst fully accepting he’s out of contract, he’s sustained a serious injury whilst in the club’s employment. I’ve no idea if there’s any insurance implications.

Unfortunately this is one for the head, not the heart:
He has been here for 2 years and has only just come good in the past 2 months or so.
His ratio of games played versus time he's been here is woeful (statistically) and therefore what he's been paid per game played will be a lot (relatively).
He now won't play again before Christmas, being optimistic.
His wage could be being paid to a player who is ever present and could score 10 goals in the same period.
His contract is due to end so letting him go will cost the club nothing.

It's hard but the reality is that he should not be offered a new contract. I would absolutely allow him to use our facilities to help him get fit again and then we could look at him again if he gets fit.

I like him and I think it's been impressive how he's grafted to get in the team when it appeared he had no future here. I also think he's played really well over the past couple of months and would offer him a contract in a heartbeat if he is going to be fit. But he won't be.

It is better for the long term future of Grimsby Town FC if he is let go.

That'll be it for his time here i'm sure. Watch him sign for Dartford or Dulwich around October. Thanks for the last couple of months Sean, wish him well

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Unfortunately this is one for the head, not the heart:
He has been here for 2 years and has only just come good in the past 2 months or so.
His ratio of games played versus time he's been here is woeful (statistically) and therefore what he's been paid per game played will be a lot (relatively).
He now won't play again before Christmas, being optimistic.
His wage could be being paid to a player who is ever present and could score 10 goals in the same period.
His contract is due to end so letting him go will cost the club nothing.

It's hard but the reality is that he should not be offered a new contract. I would absolutely allow him to use our facilities to help him get fit again and then we could look at him again if he gets fit.

I like him and I think it's been impressive how he's grafted to get in the team when it appeared he had no future here. I also think he's played really well over the past couple of months and would offer him a contract in a heartbeat if he is going to be fit. But he won't be.

It is better for the long term future of Grimsby Town FC if he is let go.

I suspect it's the worst part of a Managers job to give the bad news to a player.
However it must be done (I'm speaking here with partial and not the full facts) In the end PH has a budget and whilst he won't get a Scannel, he might get a worker who is available for all the matches.
A Carthorse which is available all/most of the time is better than a thoroughbred racer which mostly isn't. I mean no disrespect.

He has shown what a good player he is, and looked great on Saturday until the injury. There is no doubt that a player of his quality is an asset at this level.

I guess it depends what league we are in next season. If we stay down, having a player of his ability available in the  run in could be very advantageous. If a deal can be done that retains his services without breaking the bank then I would vote to keep him. Let's face it no one else is going to offer him a contract so a reduced deal with adds ons for appearances might be something that could benefit club and player.

I would at least pay his gas and electric bill if we can afford it.

Quoted from golfer

I would at least pay his gas and electric bill if we can afford it.

Be cheaper to give him a 3yr contract

Quoted from golfer

I would at least pay his gas and electric bill if we can afford it.

Maybe we could loan him it instead, providing he's Council Tax Band C or below and take it back at the end of next season whether he's taken is up on our offer or not?