Wealdstone goals

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The mistake from Amos was worse, and the subsequent finish from Maskell was better, than I remembered.

First looks like a clear Pearson goal to me!

Quality delivery and 3/4 aggressive runners is very difficult to stop.

Still no idea who scored the first! Bad mistake by Amos in an otherwise faultless performance. He has addressed it via twitter though and cost us 0 points in the end. 2 assists for Raikhy on his full debut ain't bad either.

Quoted from Poojah

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The mistake from Amos was worse, and the subsequent finish from Maskell was better, than I remembered.

Without wishing to exonerate Amos, or incriminate Crocombe, if the keeper (finding himself with the ball a couple of yards from the sideline)
just launches it in the general direction of Taylor that mistake can't happen.

The pass to Amos achieves what - an opportunity for Town to show how good/bad we are at passing the ball around in front of an undefended goal?
Doesn't make sense to me.

It was a perfectly decent and reasonable pass from Crocombe! If we're going to recommend that we stop attempting passes like that, on the off chance that the defender might make a once in a season balls-up, we might as well just play long-ball all the time.

Quoted from Maringer

It was a perfectly decent and reasonable pass from Crocombe! If we're going to recommend that we stop attempting passes like that, on the off chance that the defender might make a once in a season balls-up, we might as well just play long-ball all the time.

I agree the pass was perfectly reasonable - it's the thinking behind doing it in that circumstance that puzzled me.

The point I'm trying to make was that the situation Crocombe found himself in called for 'old-fashioned no-nonsense defending'.

Probably I'm just showing my age...

Quoted from 137

I agree the pass was perfectly reasonable - it's the thinking behind doing it in that circumstance that puzzled me.

The point I'm trying to make was that the situation Crocombe found himself in called for 'old-fashioned no-nonsense defending'.

Probably I'm just showing my age...

We were kicking into the wind too.

Nothing wrong with Crocombe’s pass or decision to retain possession.

It was just a crazy mistake from Amos. Made a nice change to get away with one in the context of the result. That sort of thing usually costs us points.

That's shocking.  He had time to turn.  Who was / wasn't talking to him?   Quick thinking by the Wealdstone player? I wish we good make decisions like that.

Win as a team, lose as a team. We won, move on and don’t make the same mistakes. The lad took his chance well though.

Pretty sure the first goal came off Pearson, judging by the keeper being wrong-footed.  Cracking finish for their goal, you've got to say.

No blame attached to the keeper from me trying to keep possession and build from the back just one of those things it happens.. thought Amos played well esp going forward and as long as his error is just a one off would hope we stick with him for next match..

Looked a Pearson goal to me hadn't realised there was an debate till later..

Quoted from 137

Without wishing to exonerate Amos, or incriminate Crocombe, if the keeper (finding himself with the ball a couple of yards from the sideline)
just launches it in the general direction of Taylor that mistake can't happen.

The pass to Amos achieves what - an opportunity for Town to show how good/bad we are at passing the ball around in front of an undefended goal?
Doesn't make sense to me.

Long balls were a crapshoot all game because of the wind, it was a normal pass in that situation. Why in the hell did he try to pass it back to the keeper with a player in between them? Just a crazy mistake from Amos who should have taken the ball and moved up with no pressure on him at that moment. Crocombe wasn't at fault for that at all.

That will teach Amos to use his right foot! He played really well despite the error and was desperately trying to make up for it afterwards so fair play to the lad.

Playing out from the back is the way to go, just a shame that one mistake tarnished it a bit, but I must say generally our overall play this season has been very good and unlike so many seasons, not much aimless hoof ball and giving possession away.

Our main failing is not getting enough goals when on top as Halifax (twice) Notts and Chesterfield proved amongst others. It is very difficult to come back from a goal down when the goals aren't flying in but we do look a good side if only we could be more ruthless.  

Enjoyed watching the YouTube highlights

I know it's usually biased towards us but we created many chances to get fans excited. Taylor could and probably should have scored first half, few others in the second. Overall looked like we played well.. Efete makes a big difference.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

Cracking finish for their goal, you've got to say.

25 yards out shooting at a target 8 yards wide and nearly 3 yards high. That should be routine for someone paid to play football for a living and we'd be laughing had he missed it. Were it a Sunday league player I'd be saying what you said.

Quoted from lukeo

Enjoyed watching the YouTube highlights

I know it's usually biased towards us but we created many chances to get fans excited. Taylor could and probably should have scored first half, few others in the second. Overall looked like we played well.. Efete makes a big difference.

To be fair the highlights were pretty reflective of the game; it was all Town up until we gifted them a goal, then it understandably got a bit nervy.

2-1 massively flattered them, but it seems we’re going through a phase of not taking chances and being punished by every single mistake we make.

From my view in the Main it looked a nailed on Pearson goal first time round, the video just backs that up.  Not sure how Efete, or even Waterfall have had a claim on that.

Their goal...all on Amos I'm afraid, just very poor.  Wrong pass to make in the first place, shouldn't pass it back the way of the goal when Crocombe is out there and Coke a far better option inside him, but just poorly executed pass regardless.

Curious as to what sort of shouts he got from his team-mates as he had loads of time to turn there.

Quoted from Kris2

Long balls were a crapshoot all game because of the wind, it was a normal pass in that situation. Why in the hell did he try to pass it back to the keeper with a player in between them? Just a crazy mistake from Amos who should have taken the ball and moved up with no pressure on him at that moment. Crocombe wasn't at fault for that at all.

Was the pass intended for the keeper or Waterfall, and in the end neither?

To be honest, Grimsby looked class v W, some of the inter passing  was "just like watching Brasil"  

Quoted from Maringer

It was a perfectly decent and reasonable pass from Crocombe! If we're going to recommend that we stop attempting passes like that, on the off chance that the defender might make a once in a season balls-up, we might as well just play long-ball all the time.

Certainly a mistake by Amos but I would have much rather Crocombe had launched it down the touchline, I know he still wouldn't have saved it but he seems to stand an admire his pass before getting back to his goal.

It definitely takes a small deflection but not sure who off

Quoted from 137

I agree the pass was perfectly reasonable - it's the thinking behind doing it in that circumstance that puzzled me.

The point I'm trying to make was that the situation Crocombe found himself in called for 'old-fashioned no-nonsense defending'.

Probably I'm just showing my age...

I said the same Saturday, he was that far out of his goal that the clearance punt was the right choice to give him time to recover position.
A lesson to be learnt that didn't turn out to be too costly thankfully.

Why would you want someone to lash the ball 50 yards up the pitch into the wind, to have it probably come back, rather than make a simple 10 yard pass to a team mate in acres of space with all the time in the world?

Quoted from ska face

Why would you want someone to lash the ball 50 yards up the pitch into the wind, to have it probably come back, rather than make a simple 10 yard pass to a team mate in acres of space with all the time in the world?

Exactly my thoughts. It was blowing straight into his face that half, and for me, he made the right call. Think it may also have been going to his weaker side.

Amos had all the time in the world to turn, but had a brain fart and played totally the wrong ball with his wrong foot.

Quoted from ska face

Why would you want someone to lash the ball 50 yards up the pitch into the wind, to have it probably come back, rather than make a simple 10 yard pass to a team mate in acres of space with all the time in the world?

Because the goal was unguarded and we were well on top at that point.
He could have even smashed it into touch and let everyone reset.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

We were kicking into the wind too.

Nothing wrong with Crocombe’s pass or decision to retain possession.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

Crocombe should be thinking (imho) "We're 2 up and Wealdstone are not threatening much. We've got this game won provided we don't do
anything stupid. If I pass the ball and someone does do something stupid - the goal is unprotected. If I hoof it and sprint back that won't
be the case."                              
(We all know that footballers can make mistakes - it's in the nature of the sport.)

For clarity, I think both Crocombe and Amos will turn out to be decent signings for us.

Blast it into touch when there’s a 10 yard pass on? Fúck knows what goes on in some of your heads.

2-0 up. Don't need to push or panic so for me a simple pass to a defender to keep possession of the ball was the correct thing to do...

I guess its all about opinions here, I for one think he made the right choice.

I find it bizarre that there’s even a discussion going on here to be honest - that sort of exchange between goalkeeper and full-back happens at least 5 or 6 times a game, and 99.9% of the time it’s completely overlooked because it’s dealt with properly and the game moves on.

Amos had time and space, it’s just unfortunate that what he also had was a complete brain fart. I think he’d be the first to step up and admit that too.

He played really well other than that. Crocombe is also playing well and looks comfortable in the shirt now, which is good news. He was in no way complicit in that goal and I think it’s time to move on.

Quoted from 137

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

Crocombe should be thinking (imho) "We're 2 up and Wealdstone are not threatening much. We've got this game won provided we don't do
anything stupid. If I pass the ball and someone does do something stupid - the goal is unprotected. If I hoof it and sprint back that won't
be the case."                              
(We all know that footballers can make mistakes - it's in the nature of the sport.)

For clarity, I think both Crocombe and Amos will turn out to be decent signings for us.

His pass was absolutely fine, he gave it perfectly weighted to a team-mate with loads of time to turn, evaluate the situation and then decide what to do.  Hell, from there he may have even decided to lash it up the touchline himself.  But he had options available to him, in both Waterfall and Coke, then the option to turn.  

But if we can't trust a professional footballer to not make a mistake in unpressured circumstances then we might as well just kick it out at every opportunity and hope for a draw.  Amos, who I thought had a fine game otherwise, just made a member-up.  Of which he's come out and admitted, fair play to the lad on that too.

Crocombe puts it into touch and we've given possession away needlessly.  If he had launched it, I'd have been asking questions why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos.

Quoted from diehardmariner

His pass was absolutely fine, he gave it perfectly weighted to a team-mate with loads of time to turn, evaluate the situation and then decide what to do.  Hell, from there he may have even decided to lash it up the touchline himself.  But he had options available to him, in both Waterfall and Coke, then the option to turn.  

But if we can't trust a professional footballer to not make a mistake in unpressured circumstances then we might as well just kick it out at every opportunity and hope for a draw.  Amos, who I thought had a fine game otherwise, just made a member-up.  Of which he's come out and admitted, fair play to the lad on that too.

Crocombe puts it into touch and we've given possession away needlessly.  If he had launched it, I'd have been asking questions why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos.

There have been a number of posts (other threads) talking about the 'fine margins' we lose by, or the need to instill a 'winning mentality' in the team.

The pass to Amos is fine, and will be ok 99.9% of the time; hoofing it long (towards Taylor, or into row Z) is safe 100% of the time. Fine margin.

Sometimes a winning mentality requires players to do the 'wrong' thing at the right time.

And you can't trust a professional footballer not to make a mistake in unpressured circumstances...it was the one thing that drove Alex Ferguson
crazy at Manchester United by all accounts - and he had Premier League class players.

The simple answer to why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos would be that the goal was unprotected...so safety first.

Quoted from 137

There have been a number of posts (other threads) talking about the 'fine margins' we lose by, or the need to instill a 'winning mentality' in the team.

The pass to Amos is fine, and will be ok 99.9% of the time; hoofing it long (towards Taylor, or into row Z) is safe 100% of the time. Fine margin.

Sometimes a winning mentality requires players to do the 'wrong' thing at the right time.

And you can't trust a professional footballer not to make a mistake in unpressured circumstances...it was the one thing that drove Alex Ferguson
crazy at Manchester United by all accounts - and he had Premier League class players.

The simple answer to why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos would be that the goal was unprotected...so safety first.

You enjoy hoof ball I guess. Bizarre theory

Quoted from 137

There have been a number of posts (other threads) talking about the 'fine margins' we lose by, or the need to instill a 'winning mentality' in the team.

The pass to Amos is fine, and will be ok 99.9% of the time; hoofing it long (towards Taylor, or into row Z) is safe 100% of the time. Fine margin.

Sometimes a winning mentality requires players to do the 'wrong' thing at the right time.

And you can't trust a professional footballer not to make a mistake in unpressured circumstances...it was the one thing that drove Alex Ferguson
crazy at Manchester United by all accounts - and he had Premier League class players.

The simple answer to why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos would be that the goal was unprotected...so safety first.

So giving away possession is the right thing to do.. completely disagree with that keep the ball play the simple pass..

You should make that pass all day long. Amos under no great pressure. It was just One of those silly mistakes where you just knock it back as a reflex before your brain is engaged to the fact that there was actually somebody in the way.
I did a few of these in my playing days at a much more humble level
Utm

Quoted from 137

There have been a number of posts (other threads) talking about the 'fine margins' we lose by, or the need to instill a 'winning mentality' in the team.

The pass to Amos is fine, and will be ok 99.9% of the time; hoofing it long (towards Taylor, or into row Z) is safe 100% of the time. Fine margin.

Sometimes a winning mentality requires players to do the 'wrong' thing at the right time.

And you can't trust a professional footballer not to make a mistake in unpressured circumstances...it was the one thing that drove Alex Ferguson
crazy at Manchester United by all accounts - and he had Premier League class players.

The simple answer to why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos would be that the goal was unprotected...so safety first.

Ok, let's talk about margins then.

99.9% of the time that ball to Amos is fine.  

Crocombe puts that ball into touch, that's 100% of the time we've given possession away.  From that possession we've lost, what are the chances of Wealdstone taking advantage and scoring from it?  Probably greater than 0.1%

The ball is hoofed up to Taylor, let's be generous and say that all long puts up to our attack result in Town retaining possession....65% of the time.  That's still 35% of the time the opposition are taking possession off us.  Be it by putting it into touch or hoofing it, it would have been a needless loss of possession which is more likely to result in conceding a goal than our left back having possession, under no pressure and in acres of space.

It was just a member-up.  No different to McKeown booting one in his own net, Danny Collins getting McKeown mixed up with a steward against FGR, Paul Crichton air-kicking Paul Futcher's back pass at Forest, Alan Pouton lobbing Danny Coyne against Reading, John McDermott slamming it into his own net away at Sheff Utd....all errors.  Human beings are fallible, they do and will make mistakes.  The better players make less mistakes because their concentration levels and sense of awareness is better, they're attributes of the best players.   Just because there's an element of fallibility to our players and the ever so slight risk of an error, we shouldn't have to get the ball away from our goal at every opportunity.  Otherwise we might as well just boot the ball to the opposition corner flag every time we get it.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Ok, let's talk about margins then.

99.9% of the time that ball to Amos is fine.  

Crocombe puts that ball into touch, that's 100% of the time we've given possession away.  From that possession we've lost, what are the chances of Wealdstone taking advantage and scoring from it?  Probably greater than 0.1%

The ball is hoofed up to Taylor, let's be generous and say that all long puts up to our attack result in Town retaining possession....65% of the time.  That's still 35% of the time the opposition are taking possession off us.  Be it by putting it into touch or hoofing it, it would have been a needless loss of possession which is more likely to result in conceding a goal than our left back having possession, under no pressure and in acres of space.

It was just a member-up.  No different to McKeown booting one in his own net, Danny Collins getting McKeown mixed up with a steward against FGR, Paul Crichton air-kicking Paul Futcher's back pass at Forest, Alan Pouton lobbing Danny Coyne against Reading, John McDermott slamming it into his own net away at Sheff Utd....all errors.  Human beings are fallible, they do and will make mistakes.  The better players make less mistakes because their concentration levels and sense of awareness is better, they're attributes of the best players.   Just because there's an element of fallibility to our players and the ever so slight risk of an error, we shouldn't have to get the ball away from our goal at every opportunity.  Otherwise we might as well just boot the ball to the opposition corner flag every time we get it.

I really like the tactical aspect of the game and the fine margins etc. I want to see a team play football but I accept that you have to earn that right and at times, it's not possible. Goals nearly always result from a mistake but that mistake could have been prevented with a better, safer decision in an earlier phase. They could score or win a corner/dangerous free kick by winning possession back from the clearance going out for a throw or Taylor not winning his header. The ball to Amos was the right ball to play.

Onto your point I've highlighted in bold, when there isn't an option on, I like to see teams hit the channel in the hope that the defender doesn't get there. If he doesn't, the winger does or the attacking team concedes a throw in deep in the oppositions half.

I always think this is a great bit of tactical play because the team can push up and either win the ball from the throw or get the second ball so you've now created pressure in and around their box. Chesterfield were very good at this and had the players to win just about all of our defensive throws.

At this level, there will be plenty of mistakes. The trick is to make less of those than the opposition and punish theirs more than they punish ours.

If we had conceded 2 goals from free headers in our box like Wealdstone did, there would be uproar about how sh1t our defending was and what mistakes we had made allowing them.

Wealdstone made far more defensive mistakes than we did, they just weren't as obvious and mostly went unpunished.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Ok, let's talk about margins then.

99.9% of the time that ball to Amos is fine.  

Crocombe puts that ball into touch, that's 100% of the time we've given possession away.  From that possession we've lost, what are the chances of Wealdstone taking advantage and scoring from it?  Probably greater than 0.1%

The ball is hoofed up to Taylor, let's be generous and say that all long puts up to our attack result in Town retaining possession....65% of the time.  That's still 35% of the time the opposition are taking possession off us.  Be it by putting it into touch or hoofing it, it would have been a needless loss of possession which is more likely to result in conceding a goal than our left back having possession, under no pressure and in acres of space.

It was just a member-up.  No different to McKeown booting one in his own net, Danny Collins getting McKeown mixed up with a steward against FGR, Paul Crichton air-kicking Paul Futcher's back pass at Forest, Alan Pouton lobbing Danny Coyne against Reading, John McDermott slamming it into his own net away at Sheff Utd....all errors.  Human beings are fallible, they do and will make mistakes.  The better players make less mistakes because their concentration levels and sense of awareness is better, they're attributes of the best players.   Just because there's an element of fallibility to our players and the ever so slight risk of an error, we shouldn't have to get the ball away from our goal at every opportunity.  Otherwise we might as well just boot the ball to the opposition corner flag every time we get it.

Some great examples there but I have to leap to the defence of Pouton’s absolute freak of an own goal. It wasn’t an error, he goes in expecting a strong 50/50 challenge, only for the eternally gutless Martin Butler to pull out and have him put his foot right through it. The rest is history.

https://mobile.twitter.com/onthisGTFCday/status/1287092819472023556

Quoted from diehardmariner

Ok, let's talk about margins then.

99.9% of the time that ball to Amos is fine.  

Crocombe puts that ball into touch, that's 100% of the time we've given possession away.  From that possession we've lost, what are the chances of Wealdstone taking advantage and scoring from it?  Probably greater than 0.1%

The ball is hoofed up to Taylor, let's be generous and say that all long puts up to our attack result in Town retaining possession....65% of the time.  That's still 35% of the time the opposition are taking possession off us.  Be it by putting it into touch or hoofing it, it would have been a needless loss of possession which is more likely to result in conceding a goal than our left back having possession, under no pressure and in acres of space.

It was just a member-up.  No different to McKeown booting one in his own net, Danny Collins getting McKeown mixed up with a steward against FGR, Paul Crichton air-kicking Paul Futcher's back pass at Forest, Alan Pouton lobbing Danny Coyne against Reading, John McDermott slamming it into his own net away at Sheff Utd....all errors.  Human beings are fallible, they do and will make mistakes.  The better players make less mistakes because their concentration levels and sense of awareness is better, they're attributes of the best players.   Just because there's an element of fallibility to our players and the ever so slight risk of an error, we shouldn't have to get the ball away from our goal at every opportunity.  Otherwise we might as well just boot the ball to the opposition corner flag every time we get it.

I have seen Premiersh*t players make the same mistake as Amos. In no way was Crocombe to blame. Amos made a mistake and admitted it. Learn from it and move on.

To me it looked like he panic a little bit went to play the ball to Efete but hit the ball with heel part of his foot which went to their player.  Just a mistake and unfortunately a goal was conceded from it.  We won so we move on.

Quoted from Poojah

Some great examples there but I have to leap to the defence of Pouton’s absolute freak of an own goal. It wasn’t an error, he goes in expecting a strong 50/50 challenge, only for the eternally gutless Martin Butler to pull out and have him put his foot right through it. The rest is history.

https://mobile.twitter.com/onthisGTFCday/status/1287092819472023556

Nah, Pouts was drunk off that we were 2-0 down and sinking without a trace.  It was set up perfectly for a Maradona roll, error in not attempting one.  

Quoted from lukeo

2-0 up. Don't need to push or panic so for me a simple pass to a defender to keep possession of the ball was the correct thing to do...

I guess its all about opinions here, I for one think he made the right choice.

Yer right. The trouble is you are up against fan 20/20 hindsight, which means the goalie should have known that normally a dependable passer like Amos will mess it up this time under no pressure.