Wealdstone goals

Quoted from 137

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

Crocombe should be thinking (imho) "We're 2 up and Wealdstone are not threatening much. We've got this game won provided we don't do
anything stupid. If I pass the ball and someone does do something stupid - the goal is unprotected. If I hoof it and sprint back that won't
be the case."                              
(We all know that footballers can make mistakes - it's in the nature of the sport.)

For clarity, I think both Crocombe and Amos will turn out to be decent signings for us.

His pass was absolutely fine, he gave it perfectly weighted to a team-mate with loads of time to turn, evaluate the situation and then decide what to do.  Hell, from there he may have even decided to lash it up the touchline himself.  But he had options available to him, in both Waterfall and Coke, then the option to turn.  

But if we can't trust a professional footballer to not make a mistake in unpressured circumstances then we might as well just kick it out at every opportunity and hope for a draw.  Amos, who I thought had a fine game otherwise, just made a member-up.  Of which he's come out and admitted, fair play to the lad on that too.

Crocombe puts it into touch and we've given possession away needlessly.  If he had launched it, I'd have been asking questions why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos.

Quoted from diehardmariner

His pass was absolutely fine, he gave it perfectly weighted to a team-mate with loads of time to turn, evaluate the situation and then decide what to do.  Hell, from there he may have even decided to lash it up the touchline himself.  But he had options available to him, in both Waterfall and Coke, then the option to turn.  

But if we can't trust a professional footballer to not make a mistake in unpressured circumstances then we might as well just kick it out at every opportunity and hope for a draw.  Amos, who I thought had a fine game otherwise, just made a member-up.  Of which he's come out and admitted, fair play to the lad on that too.

Crocombe puts it into touch and we've given possession away needlessly.  If he had launched it, I'd have been asking questions why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos.

There have been a number of posts (other threads) talking about the 'fine margins' we lose by, or the need to instill a 'winning mentality' in the team.

The pass to Amos is fine, and will be ok 99.9% of the time; hoofing it long (towards Taylor, or into row Z) is safe 100% of the time. Fine margin.

Sometimes a winning mentality requires players to do the 'wrong' thing at the right time.

And you can't trust a professional footballer not to make a mistake in unpressured circumstances...it was the one thing that drove Alex Ferguson
crazy at Manchester United by all accounts - and he had Premier League class players.

The simple answer to why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos would be that the goal was unprotected...so safety first.

Quoted from 137

There have been a number of posts (other threads) talking about the 'fine margins' we lose by, or the need to instill a 'winning mentality' in the team.

The pass to Amos is fine, and will be ok 99.9% of the time; hoofing it long (towards Taylor, or into row Z) is safe 100% of the time. Fine margin.

Sometimes a winning mentality requires players to do the 'wrong' thing at the right time.

And you can't trust a professional footballer not to make a mistake in unpressured circumstances...it was the one thing that drove Alex Ferguson
crazy at Manchester United by all accounts - and he had Premier League class players.

The simple answer to why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos would be that the goal was unprotected...so safety first.

You enjoy hoof ball I guess. Bizarre theory

Quoted from 137

There have been a number of posts (other threads) talking about the 'fine margins' we lose by, or the need to instill a 'winning mentality' in the team.

The pass to Amos is fine, and will be ok 99.9% of the time; hoofing it long (towards Taylor, or into row Z) is safe 100% of the time. Fine margin.

Sometimes a winning mentality requires players to do the 'wrong' thing at the right time.

And you can't trust a professional footballer not to make a mistake in unpressured circumstances...it was the one thing that drove Alex Ferguson
crazy at Manchester United by all accounts - and he had Premier League class players.

The simple answer to why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos would be that the goal was unprotected...so safety first.

So giving away possession is the right thing to do.. completely disagree with that keep the ball play the simple pass..

You should make that pass all day long. Amos under no great pressure. It was just One of those silly mistakes where you just knock it back as a reflex before your brain is engaged to the fact that there was actually somebody in the way.
I did a few of these in my playing days at a much more humble level
Utm

Quoted from 137

There have been a number of posts (other threads) talking about the 'fine margins' we lose by, or the need to instill a 'winning mentality' in the team.

The pass to Amos is fine, and will be ok 99.9% of the time; hoofing it long (towards Taylor, or into row Z) is safe 100% of the time. Fine margin.

Sometimes a winning mentality requires players to do the 'wrong' thing at the right time.

And you can't trust a professional footballer not to make a mistake in unpressured circumstances...it was the one thing that drove Alex Ferguson
crazy at Manchester United by all accounts - and he had Premier League class players.

The simple answer to why he didn't make the simple pass to Amos would be that the goal was unprotected...so safety first.

Ok, let's talk about margins then.

99.9% of the time that ball to Amos is fine.  

Crocombe puts that ball into touch, that's 100% of the time we've given possession away.  From that possession we've lost, what are the chances of Wealdstone taking advantage and scoring from it?  Probably greater than 0.1%

The ball is hoofed up to Taylor, let's be generous and say that all long puts up to our attack result in Town retaining possession....65% of the time.  That's still 35% of the time the opposition are taking possession off us.  Be it by putting it into touch or hoofing it, it would have been a needless loss of possession which is more likely to result in conceding a goal than our left back having possession, under no pressure and in acres of space.

It was just a member-up.  No different to McKeown booting one in his own net, Danny Collins getting McKeown mixed up with a steward against FGR, Paul Crichton air-kicking Paul Futcher's back pass at Forest, Alan Pouton lobbing Danny Coyne against Reading, John McDermott slamming it into his own net away at Sheff Utd....all errors.  Human beings are fallible, they do and will make mistakes.  The better players make less mistakes because their concentration levels and sense of awareness is better, they're attributes of the best players.   Just because there's an element of fallibility to our players and the ever so slight risk of an error, we shouldn't have to get the ball away from our goal at every opportunity.  Otherwise we might as well just boot the ball to the opposition corner flag every time we get it.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Ok, let's talk about margins then.

99.9% of the time that ball to Amos is fine.  

Crocombe puts that ball into touch, that's 100% of the time we've given possession away.  From that possession we've lost, what are the chances of Wealdstone taking advantage and scoring from it?  Probably greater than 0.1%

The ball is hoofed up to Taylor, let's be generous and say that all long puts up to our attack result in Town retaining possession....65% of the time.  That's still 35% of the time the opposition are taking possession off us.  Be it by putting it into touch or hoofing it, it would have been a needless loss of possession which is more likely to result in conceding a goal than our left back having possession, under no pressure and in acres of space.

It was just a member-up.  No different to McKeown booting one in his own net, Danny Collins getting McKeown mixed up with a steward against FGR, Paul Crichton air-kicking Paul Futcher's back pass at Forest, Alan Pouton lobbing Danny Coyne against Reading, John McDermott slamming it into his own net away at Sheff Utd....all errors.  Human beings are fallible, they do and will make mistakes.  The better players make less mistakes because their concentration levels and sense of awareness is better, they're attributes of the best players.   Just because there's an element of fallibility to our players and the ever so slight risk of an error, we shouldn't have to get the ball away from our goal at every opportunity.  Otherwise we might as well just boot the ball to the opposition corner flag every time we get it.

I really like the tactical aspect of the game and the fine margins etc. I want to see a team play football but I accept that you have to earn that right and at times, it's not possible. Goals nearly always result from a mistake but that mistake could have been prevented with a better, safer decision in an earlier phase. They could score or win a corner/dangerous free kick by winning possession back from the clearance going out for a throw or Taylor not winning his header. The ball to Amos was the right ball to play.

Onto your point I've highlighted in bold, when there isn't an option on, I like to see teams hit the channel in the hope that the defender doesn't get there. If he doesn't, the winger does or the attacking team concedes a throw in deep in the oppositions half.

I always think this is a great bit of tactical play because the team can push up and either win the ball from the throw or get the second ball so you've now created pressure in and around their box. Chesterfield were very good at this and had the players to win just about all of our defensive throws.

At this level, there will be plenty of mistakes. The trick is to make less of those than the opposition and punish theirs more than they punish ours.

If we had conceded 2 goals from free headers in our box like Wealdstone did, there would be uproar about how sh1t our defending was and what mistakes we had made allowing them.

Wealdstone made far more defensive mistakes than we did, they just weren't as obvious and mostly went unpunished.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Ok, let's talk about margins then.

99.9% of the time that ball to Amos is fine.  

Crocombe puts that ball into touch, that's 100% of the time we've given possession away.  From that possession we've lost, what are the chances of Wealdstone taking advantage and scoring from it?  Probably greater than 0.1%

The ball is hoofed up to Taylor, let's be generous and say that all long puts up to our attack result in Town retaining possession....65% of the time.  That's still 35% of the time the opposition are taking possession off us.  Be it by putting it into touch or hoofing it, it would have been a needless loss of possession which is more likely to result in conceding a goal than our left back having possession, under no pressure and in acres of space.

It was just a member-up.  No different to McKeown booting one in his own net, Danny Collins getting McKeown mixed up with a steward against FGR, Paul Crichton air-kicking Paul Futcher's back pass at Forest, Alan Pouton lobbing Danny Coyne against Reading, John McDermott slamming it into his own net away at Sheff Utd....all errors.  Human beings are fallible, they do and will make mistakes.  The better players make less mistakes because their concentration levels and sense of awareness is better, they're attributes of the best players.   Just because there's an element of fallibility to our players and the ever so slight risk of an error, we shouldn't have to get the ball away from our goal at every opportunity.  Otherwise we might as well just boot the ball to the opposition corner flag every time we get it.

Some great examples there but I have to leap to the defence of Pouton’s absolute freak of an own goal. It wasn’t an error, he goes in expecting a strong 50/50 challenge, only for the eternally gutless Martin Butler to pull out and have him put his foot right through it. The rest is history.

https://mobile.twitter.com/onthisGTFCday/status/1287092819472023556

Quoted from diehardmariner

Ok, let's talk about margins then.

99.9% of the time that ball to Amos is fine.  

Crocombe puts that ball into touch, that's 100% of the time we've given possession away.  From that possession we've lost, what are the chances of Wealdstone taking advantage and scoring from it?  Probably greater than 0.1%

The ball is hoofed up to Taylor, let's be generous and say that all long puts up to our attack result in Town retaining possession....65% of the time.  That's still 35% of the time the opposition are taking possession off us.  Be it by putting it into touch or hoofing it, it would have been a needless loss of possession which is more likely to result in conceding a goal than our left back having possession, under no pressure and in acres of space.

It was just a member-up.  No different to McKeown booting one in his own net, Danny Collins getting McKeown mixed up with a steward against FGR, Paul Crichton air-kicking Paul Futcher's back pass at Forest, Alan Pouton lobbing Danny Coyne against Reading, John McDermott slamming it into his own net away at Sheff Utd....all errors.  Human beings are fallible, they do and will make mistakes.  The better players make less mistakes because their concentration levels and sense of awareness is better, they're attributes of the best players.   Just because there's an element of fallibility to our players and the ever so slight risk of an error, we shouldn't have to get the ball away from our goal at every opportunity.  Otherwise we might as well just boot the ball to the opposition corner flag every time we get it.

I have seen Premiersh*t players make the same mistake as Amos. In no way was Crocombe to blame. Amos made a mistake and admitted it. Learn from it and move on.