Mariners Trust AGM

Quoted from TAGG

These are serious questions I'm not getting at anyone.
1 Why does the Trust even exist
2 What does it do.

In some ways those questions arent really that relevant anymore......with this takeover....when it happens....the questions really need to be ;

Will the trust retain its seat on the board ? ( i think its been assured that is the case )
Will the trust be a valued part of the board by the new owners ?   ( As the trust have been in discussions to bring the consortium in then you would hope so )

If the above are firm yes's then if anyone has strong feelings regards which way the trust are going its upto them to join up, become a member and try to influence from within.  Any one can shout from the sidelines "viewpoint a"  viewpoint b" but if you are that p1ssed off with the trust then join and effect change.
I would like to think that if the new board are extremely welcoming of trust input that would help swell numbers  but i honestly think if the new board start on the right foot and welcome the trust with open arms that fans will just be placated and interest in the trust will wain.

Yoda's post above "you shouldnt have given the shares away" is a classic line that gets slung at the trust at every turn.....but if you werent in it then you really cant complain about the decision.
Plenty of people think it wasnt the right decision but many of them werent members and some that were members didnt want to give them up but there was seemingly very little option otherwise with the game expertly played by JF. If he had Mike Parkers pants down then not surprising he could manipulate some supporters with good intentions who suddenly found themselves key players in the whole power struggle.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and i wonder if we had the opportunity again would Mike Parker have done something else with the shares rather than giving them to the trust ?
Would the trust members have tried to call JF's bluff ?

Guess we'll never know.

Quoted from barralad

No Pete you are right. The agreement was that JF would buy £200K worth of "new" money shares.

But my (very fallible) memory is that he didn't do this.

In which case why aren't the Trust demanding their shares back if he broke the terms of the agreement?

The Trust should obtain a legal opinion to establish whether they have a case to reclaim the shares, surely?

Quoted from DB

Talking face to face, the good old fashioned way, having the guts to look someone in the eye, no hiding behind names on social media or on this site. Of course it's no good for gutless worms and morons because they have nowhere to hide.

That’s not what I meant

Quoted from moosey_club

In some ways those questions arent really that relevant anymore......with this takeover....when it happens....the questions really need to be ;

Will the trust retain its seat on the board ? ( i think its been assured that is the case )
Will the trust be a valued part of the board by the new owners ?   ( As the trust have been in discussions to bring the consortium in then you would hope so )

If the above are firm yes's then if anyone has strong feelings regards which way the trust are going its upto them to join up, become a member and try to influence from within.  Any one can shout from the sidelines "viewpoint a"  viewpoint b" but if you are that p1ssed off with the trust then join and effect change.
I would like to think that if the new board are extremely welcoming of trust input that would help swell numbers  but i honestly think if the new board start on the right foot and welcome the trust with open arms that fans will just be placated and interest in the trust will wain.

Yoda's post above "you shouldnt have given the shares away" is a classic line that gets slung at the trust at every turn.....but if you werent in it then you really cant complain about the decision.
Plenty of people think it wasnt the right decision but many of them werent members and some that were members didnt want to give them up but there was seemingly very little option otherwise with the game expertly played by JF. If he had Mike Parkers pants down then not surprising he could manipulate some supporters with good intentions who suddenly found themselves key players in the whole power struggle.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and i wonder if we had the opportunity again would Mike Parker have done something else with the shares rather than giving them to the trust ?
Would the trust members have tried to call JF's bluff ?

Guess we'll never know.

You make a good point about when a club is a much better run entity, fans pressure groups tend to decline. I assume that is why the Mariners Trust was formed - to try to help our club when it was being so poorly run by a particular individual.

Instead of that though, they consolidated his position by not speaking out against mismanagement, and even seemed to have place men in the audience at a fans (the people they are supposed to represent) forum.

On the issue of the share transfer, they should have advised the members to reject the idea and call his bluff.

I don't think this is particularly in hindsight - the owner has been running the club appallingly for years in full view of the Trust representatives.

I know the idea of a fans group is a noble one, but the very idea that Mr Fenty would even listen to such a group without the financial clout to back it up is and always was fanciful. Mr Fenty deals in one thing only - the currency of money - if it makes him happy fair enough but I would have thought the Trust representatives would have spotted that at an early stage and acted accordingly.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

You make a good point about when a club is a much better run entity, fans pressure groups tend to decline. I assume that is why the Mariners Trust was formed - to try to help our club when it was being so poorly run by a particular individual.

Not entirely true though is it? It seems to be the clubs at the top end of the pyramid that have more active and well established Supporters’ groups. Spirit of Shankly at Liverpool, MUST at Man Utd, NUST at Newcastle, EFC Supporters Trust at Everton just off the top of my head are all high profile, well supported groups active at their clubs and in the community.

As for calling Fenty’s bluff, the bloke has consistently demonstrated he’s willing to let our best players go - Amond, Vernam, etc. - over the sake of a few quid. Do you think he would’ve thought twice about selling Hearn if he thought his grip on the club (and all the money he has now pocketed) was about to slip away?

Easy to speak with 9 years’ of hindsight, when you had no involvement at the time and as you keep telling us, want no involvement with the Trust now. Maybe you should’ve made this case back in 2012, you might’ve swayed the 80-odd percent of members who made that choice.

The past is history that cannot be changed but learnt from. Hindsight is brilliant but cannot be used but learnt from.
It is to the future you have to look learning from the past and hindsight. This should make things better for all.

Quoted from DB

The past is history that cannot be changed but learnt from. Hindsight is brilliant but cannot be used but learnt from.
It is to the future you have to look learning from the past and hindsight. This should make things better for all.

Who controls the past controls the future

Kevin Drinkell (1984)

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Who controls the past controls the future

Kevin Drinkell (1984)

A journey of 1000 miles starts with a single step.

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Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

A journey of 1000 miles starts with a single step.

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How many roads must a man walk down
Bob Dylan