Windsor to Newport

Former loanee signs for Newport (as someone said he would). Podge please!

So that'll be another former player who scores against us every time we face them  

Quoted from Kris2

So that'll be another former player who scores against us every time we face them  

I take that as only half in jest - in the right team he will do well.

I think he was worth keeping, did really well at first and with a different manager may have kicked on.  Don't know why Holloway sent him back really.

Quoted from paramariner

I think he was worth keeping, did really well at first and with a different manager may have kicked on.  Don't know why Holloway sent him back really.

Agreed, out of all of our loan players he was arguably the best. Something must have happened either a fallout, or West Brom were keen to loan him elsewhere? If it was a Holloway decision then I have no idea why he would send him back but then keep Gomis, if it was purely a football related choice.

Quoted from paramariner

I think he was worth keeping, did really well at first and with a different manager may have kicked on.  Don't know why Holloway sent him back really.

At first, Holloway had nothing but praise for Windsor and early performances backed it up. As team changes multiplied he was moved around and he looked less at ease.
If you watched some of Holloways Cheapside interviews you could see players standing around as Ollie lectured and waved his arms around. Body language wasn't always positive. My guess is that Owen had a keen sense of what he wanted out of this loan in terms of development and lost faith, like others, in the manager. A question of ' I'm better than this - get me out of here!'

I just think that Ollie's depression and covid mania made him a poor manager of young players especially without AL to smooth the edges. I bet he thrives at Newport.

Yes when Hollow Waste was questioned about sending Windsor back during a post match interview he got very defensive and when asked for a reason more or less said 'because I wanted to' or words to that effect.

Vert strange. That's when I though that he had really lost it.

Quoted from Croxton

At first, Holloway had nothing but praise for Windsor and early performances backed it up. As team changes multiplied he was moved around and he looked less at ease.
If you watched some of Holloways Cheapside interviews you could see players standing around as Ollie lectured and waved his arms around. Body language wasn't always positive. My guess is that Owen had a keen sense of what he wanted out of this loan in terms of development and lost faith, like others, in the manager. A question of ' I'm better than this - get me out of here!'

I just think that Ollie's depression and covid mania made him a poor manager of young players especially without AL to smooth the edges. I bet he thrives at Newport.

Two nails struck firmly on the head there I think...

Quoted from Gainsbro_Mariner

Agreed, out of all of our loan players he was arguably the best. Something must have happened either a fallout, or West Brom were keen to loan him elsewhere? If it was a Holloway decision then I have no idea why he would send him back but then keep Gomis, if it was purely a football related choice.

From what rumours float around there was some sort of disagreement. Either between them or his club and their people got in touch with Holloway. Either way the end result was more or less "if you don't like it then you can leave". It's funny when people are gone how much you hear of them when nobody fears losing a job, sounds like he went as mental as his interviews got and was running things like a mad dictator.

Towards the end sounds a bit like that Hitler in his bunker meme on Youtube.

Quoted from Croxton

At first, Holloway had nothing but praise for Windsor and early performances backed it up. As team changes multiplied he was moved around and he looked less at ease.
If you watched some of Holloways Cheapside interviews you could see players standing around as Ollie lectured and waved his arms around. Body language wasn't always positive. My guess is that Owen had a keen sense of what he wanted out of this loan in terms of development and lost faith, like others, in the manager. A question of ' I'm better than this - get me out of here!'

I just think that Ollie's depression and covid mania made him a poor manager of young players especially without AL to smooth the edges. I bet he thrives at Newport.

Depression? Is that supposition, or have I missed it?

He had clear potential, but for me he was akin to Edwards in trying to do too much himself with the ball and not offering much significant end product. Agree that he played a bit like he was disillusioned and frustrated  towards the end of his time here.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Depression? Is that supposition, or have I missed it?

I dont think there has been anything officially mentioned, but I personally think he was ill, either through depression and/or stress. You just had to look at his face from when he first joined us compared to when he left. He looked 10 years older. Either of those conditions can make someone sound terse or snappy. Been there. Done that.

Remember that it is still only recent that he lost his best friend. There is no time limit for grief.

Quoted from Croxton

At first, Holloway had nothing but praise for Windsor and early performances backed it up. As team changes multiplied he was moved around and he looked less at ease.
If you watched some of Holloways Cheapside interviews you could see players standing around as Ollie lectured and waved his arms around. Body language wasn't always positive. My guess is that Owen had a keen sense of what he wanted out of this loan in terms of development and lost faith, like others, in the manager. A question of ' I'm better than this - get me out of here!'

I just think that Ollie's depression and covid mania made him a poor manager of young players especially without AL to smooth the edges. I bet he thrives at Newport.

I don’t think people feeling depressed after being exposed to too much Ian Holloway is uncommon.

“Great motivator and man manager” my @rse his kind of histrionics could quite easily destroy a young person trying to establish himself in a profession away from home.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Depression? Is that supposition, or have I missed it?

Supposition based on his reaction to the loss of a close friend, the repetitious litany of problems in interviews, screaming at players  from the touch line, chippiness with interviewers, homilies based on the preachings of his dad, and looking less than well as days got shorter.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I take that as only half in jest - in the right team he will do well.

Me too, Newport are very organised...something he didnt get the benefit of here, Newport get the ball in the opposition's area ....something he didnt get here too often.

Hope he does well, good to see a younger player taking a step down to try and get his career going and if he does prove to be successful then it will just add weight to the fact Holloways approach was awful.

Quoted from Croxton

Supposition based on his reaction to the loss of a close friend, the repetitious litany of problems in interviews, screaming at players  from the touch line, chippiness with interviewers, homilies based on the preachings of his dad, and looking less than well as days got shorter.

I thought that too given the reasons you outline; his behaviour was certainly very odd.

However, he made a very speedy recovery and seemed to be in fine fettle on Soccer AM at the weekend.

I am now more of the opinion that he knew he had made a horlicks of it, and he just didn't fancy the hard work that was needed to put it right.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I thought that too given the reasons you outline; his behaviour was certainly very odd.

However, he made a very speedy recovery and seemed to be in fine fettle on Soccer AM at the weekend.

I am now more of the opinion that he knew he had made a horlicks of it, and he just didn't fancy the hard work that was needed to put it right.

Maybe he appears to have bounced back because he appears to have escaped from the centre of his problems. Knowledge of what was going on with the fraudster might have caused him sleepless nights. Or guilt that he as involved.

Looks like we are becoming their feeder club. Just like we once were for Hartlepool and Chesterfield according to their fans.

Look how it turned out for them!

Windsor looked class against Orient and Cheltenham, but he looked absolute garbage in some of the more recent games. All the last 10 or 15 games have all mushed into one blob of shite but there was one match in particular I genuinely forgot Windsor was on the pitch until about the 42nd minute because he was so absent. Absolutely unforgivable performance. If he was like that in training no wonder he got dropped.

Absolutely guaranteed to tear it up for Newport now.

Yes. It's like Matt. when he played for us he stumbled around the pitch like a giraffe on ice. He looked total garbage.

Then he goes to Newport and cant stop scoring.

Wierd.  Maybe we just don't know how to get the best out of players or how play to their strengths.  

Quoted from RonMariner

Yes. It's like Matt. when he played for us he stumbled around the pitch like a giraffe on ice. He looked total garbage.

Then he goes to Newport and cant stop scoring.

Wierd.  Maybe we just don't know how to get the best out of players or how play to their strengths.  

Matt was here under Slade so that probably answers that one.

I remember Runaway complaining that he couldn't have a team meeting at Cheapside due to Covid restrictions on the number of people allowed in a room. Next minute he's talking about having the lads in McMennemys watching one of his favourite films!

Now surely it doesn't take a genius to work out if Cheapside means you have to give your message to 3 groups of people, then you get them all together at the ground and deliver the message there!

The chances are that each meeting would be slightly different, especially if a player had a question so I certainly found that episode a bit bizarre.

The way Hollow Words veers all over the show spraying anybody in earshot with his verbal diarrhoea I would suspect the messages were more than slightly different. Not hard to imagine it was confusing for young, inexperienced lads to know what the intercourse he wanted them to do - we often changed formation 4 or 5 times in the same game.

I mentioned it before when we saw the video of Ollie talking to the young lads at cheapside they all looked blank.

They did not dare  say ' what are you on about '

I think if he stayed we would be down and he would have been a basket case for sure.

Yes.

Resigning was the best thing he did for us. With the possible exception of the two wins against Scunthorpe.

Holloway’s legacy is a good away day at scunny and the most chaotic and disturbing recruitment process we’ve ever seen. He will try to paint himself in a good light and the fashionista football fans that cling to the words of journos and tv pundits will buy it...fans of the clubs he’s been a girl private at will sit back and smirk and think ‘you lying illegitimate’.

Hurst will have to ship many a player out and whilst Windsor didn’t really succeed here I’m not sure that’s entirely his fault. With a squad of 400 it was impossible to keep them all happy and although Holloway bemoaned the amount of games, almost every other side is coping with it with much smaller squads. I think Holloway believed his own hype so introduced the bonkers rotation system regardless of results and the ability of who was coming in.

Players couldn’t get going and this is no slight on Davies because I believe he probably had similar views to us but the coaching can’t have been great, we looked devoid of ideas and lacked any sort of momentum.

We’ve had many a player be here that was average at best go on to be better elsewhere, that’s not always our fault, sometimes it’s the style, the club, the personal impact and so forth but I think the likes of Windsor will do well elsewhere and that can likely be attributed to him not being at our shitshow...

Quoted from aldi_01

Holloway’s legacy is a good away day at scunny and the most chaotic and disturbing recruitment process we’ve ever seen. He will try to paint himself in a good light and the fashionista football fans that cling to the words of journos and tv pundits will buy it...fans of the clubs he’s been a girl private at will sit back and smirk and think ‘you lying illegitimate’.

Hurst will have to ship many a player out and whilst Windsor didn’t really succeed here I’m not sure that’s entirely his fault. With a squad of 400 it was impossible to keep them all happy and although Holloway bemoaned the amount of games, almost every other side is coping with it with much smaller squads. I think Holloway believed his own hype so introduced the bonkers rotation system regardless of results and the ability of who was coming in.

Players couldn’t get going and this is no slight on Davies because I believe he probably had similar views to us but the coaching can’t have been great, we looked devoid of ideas and lacked any sort of momentum.

We’ve had many a player be here that was average at best go on to be better elsewhere, that’s not always our fault, sometimes it’s the style, the club, the personal impact and so forth but I think the likes of Windsor will do well elsewhere and that can likely be attributed to him not being at our shitshow...

I think you’ve hit upon an idea to get us back into the ground! A squad of 4,000. We could all register as players (unpaid of course).

I thought Windsor looked very decent when he first arrived, playing down the middle.  Then as part of Holloway's absurd rotations he was deployed more in a wide role which clearly didn't suit him.

Clearly some disillusionment was at play too.  Law of average is that at least one of the loan signings from a much higher level would turn out half decent....they've all come with a decent pedigree and in at least half the cases of having something about them.  So you can't always say it was the identification of the player that was wrong, I'd be more inclined to say it's about how we've treated them.