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Make Remaining tickets a fiver, give them away even, get it packed to the rafters for next week
Its a relegation six pointer, and we need every possible bit of help we can give the players
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Make Remaining tickets a fiver, give them away even, get it packed to the rafters for next week
Its a relegation six pointer, and we need every possible bit of help we can give the players
Someone mentioned this at the start of the season, but Get the drummer and his mates into the osmond for the game maybe. That support today needs replicating at home
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Make Remaining tickets a fiver, give them away even, get it packed to the rafters for next week
Its a relegation six pointer, and we need every possible bit of help we can give the players
We always play excrement when there’s a big crowd.
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We always play excrement when there’s a crowd.
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Let’s just hope we win because if Artell thinks it’s been a bit hostile recently he’s going to get a jolt.
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Artell said after the game today that the FGR game wouldn't define our season. Sorry bloke your delusional because it definitely will.
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We’ve near “packed out” BP for the last 5 games. Probably only 2k or so unsold seats in total for the home areas. Nothing to be gained by making it a fiver. And I thought the fans were good up to half- time last week.
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To be fair we were also shite in the Covid season. So regardless of there being a crowd or not, we play shite. It's fun supporting Town isn't it?
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We’ve near “packed out” BP for the last 5 games. Probably only 2k or so unsold seats in total for the home areas. Nothing to be gained by making it a fiver. And I thought the fans were good up to half- time last week.
Everything to be gained.
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It’s not about the crowd.The support is there. It was last week and BP has been pretty much full game by game. It’s on the players and the manager. It’s undeniable that our support should theoretically be giving us an edge. Especially at home. We have better numbers and noise than more than half the division, but Artell has framed playing at home as ‘a problem’. Price the tickets at whatever you like next week. The supporters will be there. The players must apply themselves properly and the manager must get the tactics right. They have to show up and be competent and committed not weak, disorganised, lethargic predictable…like we were against Doncaster, Walsall, Stockport….etc
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I'd love us to put FGR to bed next week for no more reason than the cheating gets begged a pen of the ref at their place. I'd also prefer it if several of our missing players are fit next week too!
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I agree with the sentiment of filling the ground and getting behind the team but that win today for Forest Green feels a pivotal moment. They have an experienced and worldly wise manager and are on a roll after also winning at Barrow.
Everything seems to be going against us with illness, injuries and even a bloody car crash adding to our problems. A manager who had to have a "clear the air" meeting to finally realise you have to change the shape of the team to shore us up.
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if FGR claw their way to safety leaving us and Colchester fighting it out, assuming Sutton won't rally.
I might cheer up as the week goes on but it's so flipping depressing to be in this totally avoidable position yet again.
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It’s not about the crowd.The support is there. It was last week and BP has been pretty much full game by game. It’s on the players and the manager. It’s undeniable that our support should theoretically be giving us an edge. Especially at home. We have better numbers and noise than more than half the division, but Artell has framed playing at home as ‘a problem’. Price the tickets at whatever you like next week. The supporters will be there. The players must apply themselves properly and the manager must get the tactics right. They have to show up and be competent and committed not weak, disorganised, lethargic predictable…like we were against Doncaster, Walsall, Stockport….etc
Yes this. We’ve had a season and two thirds in which the number of really good performances at home is in single figures. But the fans keep turning up. We are consistently in the top 6 of away averages despite have longer trips than most (an excellent 553 today). It’s up to the players now, and if was player power and / or Shaun that changed the tactical approach today then more of that.
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Agree with the sentiment but also important to sell out at Sutton the week after. Two massive games but 42 points left to play for so it won’t all be decided in the next two weeks
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Artell said after the game today that the FGR game wouldn't define our season. Sorry bloke your delusional because it definitely will.
It is a very, very, very important game but it is not season defining yet. Actually it could be for us if we win but even if we don't we are far from guaranteed to be relegated. It's another one of those things that kind of makes sense but doesn't come across very well. The team and manager need to show us that they can do it now, clearly points against Forest green and Sutton are desperately needed.
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It’s not the packing of the park that’s the problem it’s that we do tend to get on our own players backs. If we all agree to channel our frustrations onto the opposition rather than our own players we might throw them off their game. It’s at least worth a go.
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It’s not the packing of the park that’s the problem it’s that we do tend to get on our own players backs. If we all agree to channel our frustrations onto the opposition rather than our own players we might throw them off their game. It’s at least worth a go.
That was a problem up until the Donny game but there seemed a shift to total 'support' and encouragement . I'm sure they will get the same against FGR - I don't see it as a must win game more a 'must not lose ' ; we are in the box seat whatever most of us think and stopping a rival gaining 3 points on us is almost as important as us winning imo so a point wouldn't be the end of the world Defeat however......
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We need to beat them in my view. For more than one reason.
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Yeah for me it’s a must win. Points deficit opens and psychologically it’s huge. The draw isn’t good enough.
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Got to win FGR are full of confidence and have gained 5 pts on us in 5 games .If we draw or lose that's it .FGR will definitely overtake us in the next 4 or 5 games if theirs and our current form continues
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I left the Donny game thinking I’m done with it. We’ll be there Saturday. It needs to be a cauldron like the Town Gillingham game when Newell was in charge. It was ferocious that day.
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Agree with the sentiment but also important to sell out at Sutton the week after. Two massive games but 42 points left to play for so it won’t all be decided in the next two weeks
See you there then, Wimbledon & Sutton tickets already on mantlepiece. Whatever the FGR the team will still need Support right down to the Crawley game last game of the season . UTM
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Pack the park.?? ......Artell said he wanted the tickets restricting to 600 ...
whilst that was tongue in cheek he was making a point that the crowd can have a negative effect... if we pack it then it needs to be with positivity.
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Whatever we think of the current manager, players or ownership we need our club to stay up!!
Now is not the time to give up but the time to show that as fans we can help make the difference.
Get behind our team, our community, and make some positive noise!!
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If ever the team needed the fans to get off Thier backs and get behind them this is it. If your going to boo after 5 minutes when someone misplaced a pass or passes backwards because there's no option, then stay at home and froth over man utd or Liverpool. We can make a difference if we all get behind the lads, remember,this is not about the owners,artell, or any angst you may have with the club and how it's run. This is on us as fans to support the lads and win the game. It makes a massive difference to play with support in any walk of life. So I will be there Saturday, singing my heart out for Danny rose, harry, all of them......after what I saw yesterday they deserve this at least.
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Pack the park.?? ......Artell said he wanted the tickets restricting to 600 ...
whilst that was tongue in cheek he was making a point that the crowd can have a negative effect... if we pack it then it needs to be with positivity.
The crowd were fully behind the team at the start of the Donny game and will again at the start of the FGR game. It's now time for Artell and the players to put up or shut up and keep the fans backing. Another couple of goals conceded will obviously change that and really what would they expect.
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Reality sets in so knives are back in the draw.
We’re not changing nowt!!!
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Come close and back the boys to help stay up!!
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Look at all those kids Liverpool had playing against Chelsea today. Then look at the positive noise and atmosphere the Liverpool fans made compared to Chelsea.
One team individually and collectively played above their sum parts and the other didn’t. Positive support from your crowd more often than not elevates performance imho.
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Look at all those kids Liverpool had playing against Chelsea today. Then look at the positive noise and atmosphere the Liverpool fans made compared to Chelsea.
One team individually and collectively played above their sum parts and the other didn’t. Positive support from your crowd more often than not elevates performance imho.
Liverpool weren’t 2 goals down after 10 minutes. Town fans have proven over the years that if you give them something to get behind, they’ll back it, but finding ourselves in “game over” situations within the opening stages of the last two home games doesn’t lend itself to raucous support - it’s a two way thing.
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Look at all those kids Liverpool had playing against Chelsea today. Then look at the positive noise and atmosphere the Liverpool fans made compared to Chelsea.
One team individually and collectively played above their sum parts and the other didn’t. Positive support from your crowd more often than not elevates performance imho.
Your right ...But Yuk Liverpool.. remember Southampton then Brighton = " You think Grimsby have won the FA Cup!" We to did our team proud.LIVERPOOL make my skin crawl ..No thanks . UTM
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I firmly believe, Saturday is the biggest game in a very, very long time.
Now that sounds extreme…
However, going down would cause irreversible damage & I think that realistically, we need an absolute minimum of a point to prevent that from occurring.
The first time going down was horrific, however, after years of rubbish it was probably needed & the play off campaigns galvanised a desire for following Grimsby Town, particularly to the younger generation, who have been starved of any success.
The second time was strange, due to ownership hostility & COVID. By the time we all got back to Blundell Park, we could have been playing anyone and we’d have attended in huge numbers, irrelevant of level + the buzz of the new owners.
However, a third time? I just can’t see any positive spin. It’s the fans that have to put up with it and I fear a lot of people’s patience will have run out.
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Lukeo can we have a ticket watch please
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I firmly believe, Saturday is the biggest game in a very, very long time.
Now that sounds extreme…
However, going down would cause irreversible damage & I think that realistically, we need an absolute minimum of a point to prevent that from occurring.
The first time going down was horrific, however, after years of rubbish it was probably needed & the play off campaigns galvanised a desire for following Grimsby Town, particularly to the younger generation, who have been starved of any success.
The second time was strange, due to ownership hostility & COVID. By the time we all got back to Blundell Park, we could have been playing anyone and we’d have attended in huge numbers, irrelevant of level + the buzz of the new owners.
However, a third time? I just can’t see any positive spin. It’s the fans that have to put up with it and I fear a lot of people’s patience will have run out.
I have a really bad, gut feeling.
There wouldn't be and all the goodwill towards the owners and club would be erroded , maybe forever for some . That's why it's vital we stay up - a battle at the bottom can be seen as a blip , relegation would be a disaster . Crowds would be down to 4k in NL at a push 5k if we steamroller it . But momentum would be gone and I think it would underpin the thought in many's minds that we are at best a yo-yo club between lower end league 2 & NL . The thought of going to Solihull , Dorking or even Aveley on a Tuesday night will hardly get pulses racing , even if it's a bit of a laugh - they were fun times seeing new grounds , how amateur ,small and old school they are (I mean at Kings Lynn you can't even see ) it's not the 'fun' I want to go back to . We must stay up
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Can anyone actually remember the last time we packed the park and won ? We always let ourselves down at home when its a full house.
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Liverpool weren’t 2 goals down after 10 minutes. Town fans have proven over the years that if you give them something to get behind, they’ll back it, but finding ourselves in “game over” situations within the opening stages of the last two home games doesn’t lend itself to raucous support - it’s a two way thing.
Yeah , Liverpool fans haven't seen their team flirting with relegation to non-league for the umpteenth time in the last 15 years.
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Liverpool weren’t 2 goals down after 10 minutes. Town fans have proven over the years that if you give them something to get behind, they’ll back it, but finding ourselves in “game over” situations within the opening stages of the last two home games doesn’t lend itself to raucous support - it’s a two way thing.
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I firmly believe, Saturday is the biggest game in a very, very long time.
Now that sounds extreme…
However, going down would cause irreversible damage & I think that realistically, we need an absolute minimum of a point to prevent that from occurring.
The first time going down was horrific, however, after years of rubbish it was probably needed & the play off campaigns galvanised a desire for following Grimsby Town, particularly to the younger generation, who have been starved of any success.
The second time was strange, due to ownership hostility & COVID. By the time we all got back to Blundell Park, we could have been playing anyone and we’d have attended in huge numbers, irrelevant of level + the buzz of the new owners.
However, a third time? I just can’t see any positive spin. It’s the fans that have to put up with it and I fear a lot of people’s patience will have run out.
I have a really bad, gut feeling.
I think the permutations of Saturday’s game are pretty simple; win and we’ll probably stay up, lose and we’ll probably go down. And going down would be absolutely catastrophic. I posted the maths on here the other day, but relegation is likely to cost the club between £2.5m and £3m next season, money we can’t afford to lose given the players we already have contracted for next season. It’s a compound, viscous circle - we don’t have the money to compete, people are hard up and stop going, we have even less money to compete…it’s a death spiral I don’t see us recovering from. Go down, and I see us becoming something of a Torquay or Yeovil. Gradually struggling more and more in the National League, before eventually finding ourselves playing regional football. We just can’t go down. We absolutely mustn’t.
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Lukeo can we have a ticket watch please
I can't see them bringing many so presumably, the bulk of the Osmond will be for Town fans.
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Can anyone actually remember the last time we packed the park and won ? We always let ourselves down at home when its a full house.
Gillingham c2008 in similar circumstances? Maybe Chesterfield c2018 but unsure on crowd numbers that day.
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I think the permutations of Saturday’s game are pretty simple; win and we’ll probably stay up, lose and we’ll probably go down. And going down would be absolutely catastrophic.
I posted the maths on here the other day, but relegation is likely to cost the club between £2.5m and £3m next season, money we can’t afford to lose given the players we already have contracted for next season. It’s a compound, viscous circle - we don’t have the money to compete, people are hard up and stop going, we have even less money to compete…it’s a death spiral I don’t see us recovering from.
Go down, and I see us becoming something of a Torquay or Yeovil. Gradually struggling more and more in the National League, before eventually finding ourselves playing regional football.
We just can’t go down. We absolutely mustn’t.
I think we stay up anyway because DA said so. Don’t get the size of the numbers quoted. Players even on contracts will leave in an effort to stay in FL. Overheads will take a haircut and life will go on, plus our professional investors should fund the cost to charter towards calm waters.
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Gillingham c2008 in similar circumstances? Maybe Chesterfield c2018 but unsure on crowd numbers that day.
Stockport in the NL a few seasons ago was almost 8000 I seem to remember.
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Stockport in the NL a few seasons ago was almost 8000 I seem to remember.
Aye, had a couple of not very sly Stockport fans sat in front of me in the lower Findus. I made absolutely sure to ensure they were right in the thick of the celebrations when Holohan’s winner went in. One of my favourite games at BP in recent years (not that there have been a great number to choose from).
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I think the permutations of Saturday’s game are pretty simple; win and we’ll probably stay up, lose and we’ll probably go down. And going down would be absolutely catastrophic.
I posted the maths on here the other day, but relegation is likely to cost the club between £2.5m and £3m next season, money we can’t afford to lose given the players we already have contracted for next season. It’s a compound, viscous circle - we don’t have the money to compete, people are hard up and stop going, we have even less money to compete…it’s a death spiral I don’t see us recovering from.
Go down, and I see us becoming something of a Torquay or Yeovil. Gradually struggling more and more in the National League, before eventually finding ourselves playing regional football.
We just can’t go down. We absolutely mustn’t.
I noted that Stockwood said on Saturday they will review everything at the end of the season, or wash up as he called it and if we survive I guess a lot of things will be looked at as to how we got into this mess. First things first though and as you say we simply have to survive otherwise it is going to be very hard to re energise the fan base. It's in our hands but let's be honest it will also be about the results of FGR, Colchester and Sutton to give us a fighting chance.
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I think the permutations of Saturday’s game are pretty simple; win and we’ll probably stay up, lose and we’ll probably go down. And going down would be absolutely catastrophic.
I posted the maths on here the other day, but relegation is likely to cost the club between £2.5m and £3m next season, money we can’t afford to lose given the players we already have contracted for next season. It’s a compound, viscous circle - we don’t have the money to compete, people are hard up and stop going, we have even less money to compete…it’s a death spiral I don’t see us recovering from.
Go down, and I see us becoming something of a Torquay or Yeovil. Gradually struggling more and more in the National League, before eventually finding ourselves playing regional football.
We just can’t go down. We absolutely mustn’t.
I agree. Us and Scunny yo-yoing between NL and NLN. The Lincolnshire EFL club will be Lincoln City. We’ll lose all the support in our traditional hinterland base - the arc from Barton to Brigg to Rasen and across to the coast. Kids in that area will support Hull or Lincoln. It just doesn’t bear thinking about.
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I agree. Us and Scunny yo-yoing between NL and NLN. The Lincolnshire EFL club will be Lincoln City. We’ll lose all the support in our traditional hinterland base - the arc from Barton to Brigg to Rasen and across to the coast. Kids in that area will support Hull or Lincoln. It just doesn’t bear thinking about.
It’s bleak, isn’t it? I know some will think I’m over-egging things and being melodramatic, but I honestly think that a third non-league relegation spells the end of Grimsby Town FC as we know it. It’s a huge, huge game we’ve got before us.
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It’s bleak, isn’t it? I know some will think I’m over-egging things and being melodramatic, but I honestly think that a third non-league relegation spells the end of Grimsby Town FC as we know it.
It’s a huge, huge game we’ve got before us.
Yes, without huge investment I can’t see a way back. Again we come back to the millstone of Blundell Park - investors won’t just have to tip in to make up for the shortfall in the playing budget.
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We’d been back in the ground a while by that point but that Stockport game was the first game that felt like football was properly back post-pandemic.
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We’d been back in the ground a while by that point but that Stockport game was the first game that felt like football was properly back post-pandemic.
Wrexham at home on a Tuesday night was decent, tbf.
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I feel ill at the thought of it. And yes, there is an apocalyptic ending possible if we go down a third time. To miss out on the new TV deal is sickening after all the years of constant struggle.
But I have to admit, even if we did stay up, how long is this sustainable for? How many millions are Lincoln into it for just staying in the top half of league one? Half of the national league is now comprised of ex-league clubs.
The sands have shifted without a doubt and I hate it.
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Yes, without huge investment I can’t see a way back. Again we come back to the millstone of Blundell Park - investors won’t just have to tip in to make up for the shortfall in the playing budget.
If we're in that situation I'm not sure you would call it an "investment" in the truest sense of the word.
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I feel ill at the thought of it. And yes, there is an apocalyptic ending possible if we go down a third time. To miss out on the new TV deal is sickening after all the years of constant struggle.
But I have to admit, even if we did stay up, how long is this sustainable for? How many millions are Lincoln into it for just staying in the top half of league one? Half of the national league is now comprised of ex-league clubs.
The sands have shifted without a doubt and I hate it.
Well let’s all jack it in and take up chess on the weekend then.
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I feel ill at the thought of it. And yes, there is an apocalyptic ending possible if we go down a third time. To miss out on the new TV deal is sickening after all the years of constant struggle.
But I have to admit, even if we did stay up, how long is this sustainable for? How many millions are Lincoln into it for just staying in the top half of league one? Half of the national league is now comprised of ex-league clubs.
The sands have shifted without a doubt and I hate it.
The ITV Digital deal that eventually went wrong in 2001 was a great leveller, suddenly gate receipts and corporate hospitality and sponsorship were a much smaller proportion of turnover. We were the biggest beneficiary as a % of turnover and ultimately the biggest loser went it went wrong. I don’t know the details of the new deal but perhaps the same principle will apply, which will help Lincoln compete with the big clubs that end up in League 1.
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I hope they turn the music off ten minutes before kick off. I can’t hear the person next to me let alone what’s being sung elsewhere in the stand, stops an atmosphere generating. And it will need to be generated from the home stands because there’ll be nothing coming out of the away end to bounce off.
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[quote=2226] Terry Donovan will be in McMenemy's on Saturday.
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I hope they turn the music off ten minutes before kick off. I can’t hear the person next to me let alone what’s being sung elsewhere in the stand, stops an atmosphere generating. And it will need to be generated from the home stands because there’ll be nothing coming out of the away end to bounce off.
I thought it would be a cold day in hell that someone complained that the BP speakers are too audible, but here we are…
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I thought it would be a cold day in hell that someone complained that the BP speakers are too audible, but here we are…
There was me thinking it was to keep the Main Stand awake
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I thought it would be a cold day in hell that someone complained that the BP speakers are too audible, but here we are…
Too loud. Not too audible. Big distinction!
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Well we are ready to compete in the new era when ever it starts.We have just given the trust ,the fans board ,a golden share only 3 clubs have done this ! Are Grimsby doing this ?
The main thing is that we shall be able to compete with the bigger clubs with wages having some sort of cap on them connected to income/sponorship. The last time there was a salary cap ( not for long i grant you ) we were top of league at Xmas and just failed to get in the championship(plus we had brennan johnson and morgan rodgers) .
Grimsby with good crowds should be able to compete in league2 on gate income its the commercial income needs boosting! We have 40 plus smaller sponsors( tiered plantinum,gold,silver and bronze) local and national companies, 1 company i checked is just a few miles from your ground!) Boxes and we have electronic round the pitch advertising! Plus we have a catering sponsorship.
This is why i say your so behind us in everything.
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Well we are ready to compete in the new era when ever it starts.We have just given the trust ,the fans board ,a golden share only 3 clubs have done this ! Are Grimsby doing this ?
The main thing is that we shall be able to compete with the bigger clubs with wages having some sort of cap on them connected to income/sponorship. The last time there was a salary cap ( not for long i grant you ) we were top of league at Xmas and just failed to get in the championship(plus we had brennan johnson and morgan rodgers) .
Grimsby with good crowds should be able to compete in league2 on gate income its the commercial income needs boosting! We have 40 plus smaller sponsors( tiered plantinum,gold,silver and bronze) local and national companies, 1 company i checked is just a few miles from your ground!) Boxes and we have electronic round the pitch advertising! Plus we have a catering sponsorship.
This is why i say your so behind us in everything.
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Putting to one side the reclusive nonce vibes our good friend David is giving off, he makes a good point re: digital pitch perimeter ad boards.
It occurred to me when watching the EFL highlights on Saturday night that we appear to be one of an increasingly small handful of clubs that don’t have these, presumably in anticipation of the increase in exposure and therefor revenue potential that next season’s Sky TV deal will bring about.
I don’t like our David on account that he’s clearly a very odd individual with some no doubt eithcally questionable “hobbies”, but he’s right in that this is indeed an area where we appear to be off the pace. By no means our biggest problem right now, but perhaps symptomatic of the work still to be done off the pitch if we are to truly catch-up on it.
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Putting to one side the reclusive nonce vibes our good friend David is giving off, he makes a good point re: digital pitch perimeter ad boards.
It occurred to me when watching the EFL highlights on Saturday night that we appear to be one of an increasingly small handful of clubs that don’t have these, presumably in anticipation of the increase in exposure and therefor revenue potential that next season’s Sky TV deal will bring about.
I don’t like our David on account that he’s clearly a very odd individual with some no doubt eithcally questionable “hobbies”, but he’s right in that this is indeed an area where we appear to be off the pace. By no means our biggest problem right now, but perhaps symptomatic of the work still to be done off the pitch if we are to truly catch-up on it.
I think we have more pressing issues right now than perimeter advertising boards.
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Well we are ready to compete in the new era when ever it starts.We have just given the trust ,the fans board ,a golden share only 3 clubs have done this ! Are Grimsby doing this ?
The main thing is that we shall be able to compete with the bigger clubs with wages having some sort of cap on them connected to income/sponorship. The last time there was a salary cap ( not for long i grant you ) we were top of league at Xmas and just failed to get in the championship(plus we had brennan johnson and morgan rodgers) .
Grimsby with good crowds should be able to compete in league2 on gate income its the commercial income needs boosting! We have 40 plus smaller sponsors( tiered plantinum,gold,silver and bronze) local and national companies, 1 company i checked is just a few miles from your ground!) Boxes and we have electronic round the pitch advertising! Plus we have a catering sponsorship.
This is why i say your so behind us in everything.
You're. Behind you in everything but spelling and grammar, it would appear.
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Putting to one side the reclusive nonce vibes our good friend David is giving off, he makes a good point re: digital pitch perimeter ad boards.
It occurred to me when watching the EFL highlights on Saturday night that we appear to be one of an increasingly small handful of clubs that don’t have these, presumably in anticipation of the increase in exposure and therefor revenue potential that next season’s Sky TV deal will bring about.
I don’t like our David on account that he’s clearly a very odd individual with some no doubt eithcally questionable “hobbies”, but he’s right in that this is indeed an area where we appear to be off the pace. By no means our biggest problem right now, but perhaps symptomatic of the work still to be done off the pitch if we are to truly catch-up on it.
They were still operating with near IBM 5150's in the club offices when the current custodians took their role so I think flashy boards 'the mod cons ' as our Dear John put it might still be a little way off .
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I thought it would be a cold day in hell that someone complained that the BP speakers are too audible, but here we are…
I usually get to my seat at about 2:59 on a Saturday. Against Donny I got there a few minutes earlier and was struck by how loud the tannoy was, the decibel level of the music was madness!
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Yeah sorry for bad education from Brigg Grammar School and poos insults meanwhile our football clubs remain "miles apart" on and off the field.
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Yeah sorry for bad education from Brigg Grammar School and poos insults meanwhile our football clubs remain "miles apart" on and off the field.
You have some Yanks willing to write off 3 million losses year in , year out David , let's not beat about the bush- without that you would be lower end league 1 at best (from the mouth of your CEO , not me ) .
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Yeah sorry for bad education from Brigg Grammar School and poos insults meanwhile our football clubs remain "miles apart" on and off the field.
Are you the guy who used to drink in the Morning Star? Acquaintance of Dave Webb?
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Slightly off topic , but how the hell did Pleasure Island sponsor Scunthorpe Utd back in the day and not us ?
I’d say it was targeted marketing - the denizens of the Industrial Garden Town being more likely to aspire to a day out in Cleggy riding shite roller coasters than the more refined and educated citizens of what is now known as North East Lincolnshire. Back in the day the residents of Lincoln used to spend their Saturday afternoons in western Manchester or hanging around Stanley Park. Of course now thousands of them have discovered that they can see digital perimeter advertising for electric Volvos and tooth whitening but much closer to home. Know your market.
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