Just got round to watching the latest.A bit slow to start the 4 lads looked mega depressed but can't fault much of what they say . Interesting they asked why Artell is so universally unpopular with the Town fanbase but can't put a finger on it.
Just got round to watching the latest.A bit slow to start the 4 lads looked mega depressed but can't fault much of what they say . Interesting they asked why Artell is so universally unpopular with the Town fanbase but can't put a finger on it.
I think he's one of these people who so avidly believes that he's right that he comes across as extremely arrogant.
What I would ask him is how he's managed to go from such an improvement after three games (Crewe) to such a mess 10 games further on.
Just got round to watching the latest.A bit slow to start the 4 lads looked mega depressed but can't fault much of what they say . Interesting they asked why Artell is so universally unpopular with the Town fanbase but can't put a finger on it.
Because he's talking a good game.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
I think he's one of these people who so avidly believes that he's right that he comes across as extremely arrogant.
What I would ask him is how he's managed to go from such an improvement after three games (Crewe) to such a mess 10 games further on.
Think Mike made a fair point there, it was probably more of a carry over from Ben and Shaun. They'd improved us in the immediate aftermath of Hurst. He had 45 minutes with them before MK so he can't take any credit for that. More time he's had with them, the worse it's got. Time to go, Dave.
I've wasted my life in black and white, a pathetic act for a worthless cause
Think Mike made a fair point there, it was probably more of a carry over from Ben and Shaun. They'd improved us in the immediate aftermath of Hurst. He had 45 minutes with them before MK so he can't take any credit for that. More time he's had with them, the worse it's got. Time to go, Dave.
This… Is the manager bounce a phenomenon caused by players sub-consciously doing the old things better (to impress the new guy)? This rather than any coaching or selection influence from the new guy. I wonder if there is any Sports Science research on this?
The DN35 lot really come into their own when Town are excrement. Their frustration and misery has brought me some joy in a season of otherwise absolute shite.
If I've got this on at home my missus will inevitably pop her head round the corner at some point and ask something like "why is that man so angry?"
The DN35 lot really come into their own when Town are excrement. Their frustration and misery has brought me some joy in a season of otherwise absolute shite.
If I've got this on at home my missus will inevitably pop her head round the corner at some point and ask something like "why is that man so angry?"
I always think it's much easier to talk about something negative that can clearly improve, so it's no surprise that their best content is when we are terrible.
Think Mike made a fair point there, it was probably more of a carry over from Ben and Shaun. They'd improved us in the immediate aftermath of Hurst. He had 45 minutes with them before MK so he can't take any credit for that. More time he's had with them, the worse it's got. Time to go, Dave.
This question has been burning away at me. Artell’s first 3 games saw decent performances against BFS, Oxford and Crewe respectively, even if they only yielded 1 win (we deserved to have beaten BFS quite comfortably).
And that BFS game is a good case in point; you’re quite right in that there’s no way he could have coached anything new systematically into the players in the space of a single, 45 minute training session. But he did have sufficient time to impart a clear message that the shackles were off: “don’t be afraid to make a mistake, don’t be afraid to take risks, find space and pass, pass, pass”. It’s a simple enough message to have taken on board in a short space of time, and a clear departure from the rules of Hurstball that seemed to liberate the players. You can see that in these short highlights:
But all we’re really talking about here is permission for a little expressionism. After all, there hadn’t been time to outlaw every rule of Hurstball, and some still seemed to apply.
Look at this still. For context, the score is 1-1 at this point, and all 11 Town players are involved in our defensive shape. 3 closing down the player in possession and another 8 in the box. Only a single player is in front of the ball.
Now a similar situation in the Walsall game on New Year’s Day. Not the best angle, but quite clearly only Glennon making any effort to stop the cross, and 5 visible Town players (plus Danny Rose) completely out of the game.
Even after the ball pings about in the box for a bit, our defensive shape remains a complete mess, with several players effectively doing nothing.
Donny’s first goal at the weekend. Move starts with a short pass for their goalkeeper, so no excuses about getting caught on the break. In the space of 3 simple passes, we find ourselves out of possession with (and you’ll have to take my word for this slightly) 7 Town players now a minimum of 10 yards behind the ball. That’s Tharme ffs, 12 yards inside their half having failed to win the ball. What is he doing there?
Now that’s all because we pressed hard, and pressed badly. Donny went through us like a knife through butter. These are just a couple of examples - there’s loads of similar ones in recent weeks but I’m saving myself the depression of pouring through all of them.
We’ve gone from a happy medium of keeping a defensive shape while allowing for some creative expression in possession, to Artell wanting some high press, men in front of the ball approach, coupled with a high-risk, expansive passing style. Any time any part of that fails, we are rendered as vulnerable as a newborn kitten.
I think that’s why you sometimes leave games at the minute going “I know on the whole that was absolute garbage, but there was that 20 or 30 minute period where we looked alright”. Certainly that was the case in periods during the first-half of Walsall and Donny. But it’s those stupid, easy goals conceded that sap morale and confidence to such an extent that that we’ve little chance of doing it over 90 minutes.
Artell seems to want heavy metal football, but he’s going about it in such a brash and naive way that he’s merely committing career suicide. If he wants to keep his job beyond the weekend, he needs think first about our defensive shape both in and out of possession, and when and only when he’s reinstalled some sanity into our system, should he give a moment’s thought to trying to play sexy football. That we keep getting absolutely hammered ain’t no coincidence.
This question has been burning away at me. Artell’s first 3 games saw decent performances against BFS, Oxford and Crewe respectively, even if they only yielded 1 win (we deserved to have beaten BFS quite comfortably).
And that BFS game is a good case in point; you’re quite right in that there’s no way he could have coached anything new systematically into the players in the space of a single, 45 minute training session. But he did have sufficient time to impart a clear message that the shackles were off: “don’t be afraid to make a mistake, don’t be afraid to take risks, find space and pass, pass, pass”. It’s a simple enough message to have taken on board in a short space of time, and a clear departure from the rules of Hurstball that seemed to liberate the players. You can see that in these short highlights:
But all we’re really talking about here is permission for a little expressionism. After all, there hadn’t been time to outlaw every rule of Hurstball, and some still seemed to apply.
Look at this still. For context, the score is 1-1 at this point, and all 11 Town players are involved in our defensive shape. 3 closing down the player in possession and another 8 in the box. Only a single player is in front of the ball.
Now a similar situation in the Walsall game on New Year’s Day. Not the best angle, but quite clearly only Glennon making any effort to stop the cross, and 5 visible Town players (plus Danny Rose) completely out of the game.
Even after the ball pings about in the box for a bit, our defensive shape remains a complete mess, with several players effectively doing nothing.
Donny’s first goal at the weekend. Move starts with a short pass for their goalkeeper, so no excuses about getting caught on the break. In the space of 3 simple passes, we find ourselves out of possession with (and you’ll have to take my word for this slightly) 7 Town players now a minimum of 10 yards behind the ball.
Now that’s all because we pressed hard, and pressed badly. Donny went through us like a knife through butter. These are just a couple of examples - there’s loads of similar ones in recent weeks but I’m saving myself the depression of pouring through all of them.
We’ve gone from a happy medium of keeping a defensive shape while allowing for some creative expression in possession, to Artell wanting some high press, men in front of the ball approach, coupled with a high-risk, expansive passing style. Any time any part of that fails, we are rendered as vulnerable as a newborn kitten.
I think that’s why you sometimes leave games at the minute going “I know on the whole that was absolute garbage, but there was that 20 or 30 minute period where we looked alright”. Certainly that was the case in periods during the first-half of Walsall and Donny. But it’s those stupid, easy goals conceded that sap morale and confidence to such an extent that that we’ve little chance of doing it over 90 minutes.
Artell seems to want heavy metal football, but he’s going about it in such a brash and naive way that he’s merely committing career suicide. If he wants to keep his job beyond the weekend, he needs think first about our defensive shape both in and out of possession, and when and only when he’s reinstalled some sanity into our system, should he give a moment’s thought to trying to play sexy football. That we keep getting absolutely hammered ain’t no coincidence.
Great post. That gap in the penalty box in the third screenshot you've posted is just...well it needs no words.
I thought Ian Holloway had Town doing similar from the defenders making McKweoun look dreadful as he was ‘sold’ in to trouble. Town have to get ball in to the centre of the pitch, earlier and select the players able to gather the second ball, and build a move in to the forward half of the pitch earlier. I hope DA can appreciate this and organise his team to do this on Saturday -will be watching UTM
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Great post. That gap in the penalty box in the third screenshot you've posted is just...well it needs no words.
I neglected to make the point above, but I think it also goes some way to explaining why changing personnel hasn’t made the slightest bit of difference - three out of Saturday’s back four weren’t even at the club when we got slapped by Walsall. I’ll stop short of completely absolving the defenders and goalkeeper of blame ‘cos that would be madness, but I think it’s become clear that the issue is more systematic than individual failings.
If there’s a positive, I’d say that this is more on the manager than the players (he’s the common denominator to our thrashings, anyway). I think it’s fixable, whether that’s by Artell or someone else.
Common denomiinator - agreed. Obvious to anyone - apart from directors that have set their own path - could they be right? Or - are we in the hands of - who? What’s the plan?
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Interesting analysis Poojah. Gosh, watching those highlights back felt like watching us from some other season. We seemed to have a little bit more purpose to our play - as you mention, a sort-of Hurstball+, keeping a basic shape but with licence to express ourselves.
Two things that stood out to me in those highlights: Harry at full-back (I know he was only filling in out of necessity but plenty would like to see him there more permanently), and the sheer emotional response of Cartwright after Mo Eisa missed that golden chance right at the end. The passion he showed there compared to the resignation after each goal goes in now is quite stark.
Alex doesn't usually hold back like that, seemed quite annoyed.
Good point about the 'putting on a show' song. Seems a bit of a stretch lol, well the old 'by far the greatest team the world has ever seen' is the same tbf.
Alex doesn't usually hold back like that, seemed quite annoyed.
Good point about the 'putting on a show' song. Seems a bit of a stretch lol, well the old 'by far the greatest team the world has ever seen' is the same tbf.
Alex doesn't usually hold back like that, seemed quite annoyed.
Good point about the 'putting on a show' song. Seems a bit of a stretch lol, well the old 'by far the greatest team the world has ever seen' is the same tbf.
Might be because someone called him out this morning for having a different view on his two Twitter accounts.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
Re tonight’s show: I’ve got to agree with what Alex said about getting the drummer or whoever into the osmond. Long gone are the days when the pontoon was this tour de force everyone remembers
Re tonight’s show: I’ve got to agree with what Alex said about getting the drummer or whoever into the osmond. Long gone are the days when the pontoon was this tour de force everyone remembers
It does make a lot of sense. Must be the shape of the roof in the Osmond that makes it really good for holding and dispersing noise. Even a quarter full it sounds louder than the Pontoon.
Pontoon do sing the issue is the open side on the left where all the noise comes from, that open side ruins it as the sound doesn’t carry as a result. If we put that back in and you will see the difference.
Disappointing podcast. A lot of waffling and the main points they spoke about would have taken up 5 mins, the rest was just unsweetened marshmallows. It might have been better if they had written a list of bullet points before the show. Or prepared as my old teacher would have said. Oh well on to the next one.
Pontoon do sing the issue is the open side on the left where all the noise comes from, that open side ruins it as the sound doesn’t carry as a result. If we put that back in and you will see the difference.
And I’ve said many times before, prime advertising space too. Maybe a company could supply/install in exchange for having their brand on it?
One of those jobs to put down as a maybe for the summer I think.
You want to know about everything that's wrong with the fickin idiots following town...go look at the twitter feed for D35N35 regarding chants.... Anybody, and I mean anybody, that thinks the "Yorkshire ripper" chant is acceptable needs to intercourse off, grow up and support another club!!... My son (19 now) was born, bred and lives in Beverley but he's a staunch GTFC supporter and I very much doubt he's the only Yorkie supporting the club... I And yes, my urine is currently boiling, frigging knuckle draggers.
You want to know about everything that's wrong with the fickin idiots following town...go look at the twitter feed for D35N35 regarding chants.... Anybody, and I mean anybody, that thinks the "Yorkshire ripper" chant is acceptable needs to intercourse off, grow up and support another club!!... My son (19 now) was born, bred and lives in Beverley but he's a staunch GTFC supporter and I very much doubt he's the only Yorkie supporting the club... I And yes, my urine is currently boiling, frigging knuckle draggers.
Our kids where born in Hedon Rd and are staunch Town supporters.
"Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style
You want to know about everything that's wrong with the fickin idiots following town...go look at the twitter feed for D35N35 regarding chants.... Anybody, and I mean anybody, that thinks the "Yorkshire ripper" chant is acceptable needs to intercourse off, grow up and support another club!!... My son (19 now) was born, bred and lives in Beverley but he's a staunch GTFC supporter and I very much doubt he's the only Yorkie supporting the club... I And yes, my urine is currently boiling, frigging knuckle draggers.
Agreed needs throwing into room 101 with all the other hatred chants we had in the 70s
I used to get alot of enjoyment singing the "yorkshire ripper" song and "in your Yorkshire slums" songs to Wednesday and United. - At the time I didn't believe anyone took it seriously. ( i was young) BP is definitely more sanitised than it was 25-30 years ago
Haven't heard any of the old songs for ages. Walking down grimsby right, light up my senses etc. These songs are definitely missed
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