To the Owners (merged)

Quoted from Maringer

I suspect it is just an extension of the 'anti-data' thread(s). "What did the Romans (data) ever do for us", etc etc.

The owners are advocates of a data-led approach and therefore are considered entirely to blame, for some reason or other.

On that note, I'm an advocate of analysing data correctly in all areas of life (we wouldn't have civilisation without it), but I do wonder if there is a situation where the use of data in the lower divisions shouldn't be given as much attention as at higher levels? In the top couple of divisions, the players tend to be able to control even difficult balls on 9 out of 10 occasions and are probably accurate for more than 95 out of 100 basic passes. If the 'data' assumes every player can do the basics pretty much all of the time, the data they are going to be looking at will be from other aspects of play. Unfortunately, I don't think that our players control the ball on 9 out of 10 occasions and I'd had to even guess what their completion ratio for even simple passes might be. Might explain why the 'data' hasn't led us to sign players who are struggling to impose themselves.

Quoted from Maringer

I suspect it is just an extension of the 'anti-data' thread(s). "What did the Romans (data) ever do for us", etc etc.

The owners are advocates of a data-led approach and therefore are considered entirely to blame, for some reason or other.

On that note, I'm an advocate of analysing data correctly in all areas of life (we wouldn't have civilisation without it), but I do wonder if there is a situation where the use of data in the lower divisions shouldn't be given as much attention as at higher levels? In the top couple of divisions, the players tend to be able to control even difficult balls on 9 out of 10 occasions and are probably accurate for more than 95 out of 100 basic passes. If the 'data' assumes every player can do the basics pretty much all of the time, the data they are going to be looking at will be from other aspects of play. Unfortunately, I don't think that our players control the ball on 9 out of 10 occasions and I'd had to even guess what their completion ratio for even simple passes might be. Might explain why the 'data' hasn't led us to sign players who are struggling to impose themselves.

Quoted from GrimPol

True.
We sometimes delude ourselves and forget that League 2 is actually 4th Tier. Data leading decisions have been embedded in Premier (top league) for some time as Clubs are looking for an edge with their £500 million team against the opposing £ 500 million team. Some in our team cannot trap the ball properly, our free kicks are in a vague direction, and our corners are more dangerous to us than the opposition as it's a springboard for a counterattack. Just because all horses have four legs, a head and a tail, it doesn't mean you should have plough horses running a steeplechase, nor race horses ploughing. They would give it a go but........

Quoted from mariner91

This made me laugh out loud because it's so depressingly true.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Data Analyses has now become a multi million pound industry.To justify their own existence it adopts the jargon of professionalisation .This is purely in order to obfuscate and elevate the mystique of their analyses.This occurs in all walks of industry and science,it is nothing more than modern day quackery ,the purpose of which is to hold the masses in awe.Do not swallow it.

Quoted from Meza

I’m a bit confused about this thread.  Why are some having a go at the owners I don’t think in my eyes they have done anything wrong.  The manager appointment is always a bit of a lottery and even they wouldn’t have known for things to turn out a bit crap.  They have stated since day one that they want the club to be self sufficient so when they move on the club won’t be in a crap position when handing it over.  Take for instance the training ground maybe it’s taking a while because they aren’t paying for it out their own pocket but from ticket sales and players sold (JF would have put this on a benign loan).  I think they had done well considering how much they had to deal with since coming in.  Sacking PH was not something they took lightly and probably wanted PH to turn it around and maybe gave him more time despite the data, but fan pressure probably did it for PH.    

Am I the only one on here that thinks they are doing the best they can under the circumstances.  I certainly don’t blame them for the position at present.  They have done more for this club than JF ever did.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I pride myself as being the biggest anti data poster on here,  and you quite rightly say data (or information as we used to quaintly call it) is indeed partly responsible for mankind's progress.

What we are talking about though is specifically data in a football context, apart from the incontrovertible data of the final score and league table. Everything else is just guff, as we have seen on countless occasions. Players coming with stats that might look good (or bad) in one team, and be completely different in another. That is because everything IS different.

Neither am I bothered about how many goals we nearly scored, or how many corners we got.

I don't care how many analysts we use, ten would come to 10 different conclusions and the PL employ the best there is but still manage to waste millions of pounds on players.