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Put it this way…
If he was a manager that had been in post for longer than he’s been, he’s two or three games from the sack.
He’s given more grace on account that he’s only been in post for a dozen games.
Having said that, lose the next two and he’s on seriously borrowed time, irrespective of his length of tenure. Fans are desperate for reassurance. We’ve had too many managers in our recent history who can talk the talk but cannot walk the walk.
Like I say, hope everything works out. Maybe the penny drops soon and the players hit their stride.
There’s a stark scenario whereby we are only a single point above the relegation zone come Saturday evening, and adrift of the sides above us. Now, that would require an absolutely nightmarish sequence of results, and probably a pretty unlikely one at that, but it is eminently possible all the same. If that were to transpire, I very much doubt he’d get an extra game. I’m all for giving managers time, especially when they are attempting to transition us to a more progressive way of playing, but we shouldn’t underestimate how quickly our current 7 point cushion could be eroded and we find ourselves plunged deeply into shít creek. It’s sobering I know, but a positive performance and result is crucial tonight, for Artell and us more broadly.
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There’s a stark scenario whereby we are only a single point above the relegation zone come Saturday evening, and adrift of the sides above us.
Now, that would require an absolutely nightmarish sequence of results, and probably a pretty unlikely one at that, but it is eminently possible all the same.
If that were to transpire, I very much doubt he’d get an extra game. I’m all for giving managers time, especially when they are attempting to transition us to a more progressive way of playing, but we shouldn’t underestimate how quickly our current 7 point cushion could be eroded and we find ourselves plunged deeply into shít creek.
It’s sobering I know, but a positive performance and result is crucial tonight, for Artell and us more broadly.
Or we could be 13 points clear and be very chilled out.
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Or we could be 13 points clear and be very chilled out.
Absolutely. I was merely pointing out the potential precariousness of our position, and that Artell doesn’t necessarily have a guaranteed 4 or 5 games to keep himself in a job.
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Look, I get how some people feel, but to be honest, the Owners did keep saying it was going to be tough for a couple of years. The thing we have to do is trust in the process. When they came in, the club was a basket case after years of neglect by the previous regime.
We got out of the Conference and stabilised then things (as they always do in football), started to get dodgy, So, they changed the manager. Apart from three or four new signings, the basis of the team is the same. So he has to work with what he has. This is nothing new - Arsenal under Arteta being a case and point.
I think it will take 2/3 more windows to get the team right, although the major target during that transition is not to get relegated, I hope that with each window, the team improves and during 25/26, rather than scrapping around at the bottom, we're challenging the top 10 places.
None of that will happen if we change the manager every 6-8 games.
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That's a really cringey interview in parts tbh. At least not as bad as the interview I. Saturday I suppose.
I didn't realise what people were meaning by the David Brent thing but it's shining through in that interview. Were he says the bit about Donovan Wilson said I didn't really want to leave cos you've been such a great manager to me - LOL that is Brent all over. Or the bit where he name drops fans most popular player (Rose) just said to me today how much better we are at playing out from the back now (if it was the office Brent would then look to the camera with smug grin and fiddle with tie). Just reminded me exactly of a scene in the office of Brent taking a phone call and saying to camera crew "oh it's just a member of staff wanting to say what a great job I'm doing". LOL
Also the bollox about we got relegated because we hoofed it. No we didn't. In the relegation season Hollowhead had us start the season trying to play out from the back! The comparisons at the time were McKeown moaning about he thinks we're Barcelona - they're not usually associated with hoofing it! We did change style after even Hollowhead could see it didn't work, didn't we get turned over away at some non league team in the cup whilst trying to knock it about on the edge of our own box I seem to remember. Was hursts team a hoof it team in the 2ne half of season, can't remember but passing it out from the back was how that season started to go downhill. It's also the only previous time we've played that style
As for hoofing it being how we got out of the national league - don't think so, it wasnt the prettiest but it wasn't kick and rush either. Playing it into Taylor for layoffs was one of our main themes, and pushing FBs forward, hunt as a passer in the first half of the season and towler as a good on the ball CB for a while, not one for the purists but hardly Wimbledon circa 1989. So more bollox made up to try and suit his narrative to shore up his position.
Oh and the bit about plan f etc was just a massively long winded way of saying there is no plan b apart from doing plan a better. Which he can't say cos it would paint him as predictable and challinor just gave an interview about how we were predictable and thus easy to plan against.
Oh and he finally admitted we were in a relegation battle - hopefully his eyes have opened!
Anyway he can give as many Brent like interviews as he wants and rewrite history to suit himself as much as he wants if he just starts winning flippin games of football like he's paid to do. Donny is an absolutely massive must not lose game now - do your talking on the pitch Artell, they're as shite as us, show us your plan A can flippin work with this team and beat them! That's all.
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That's a really cringey interview in parts tbh. At least not as bad as the interview I. Saturday I suppose.
I didn't realise what people were meaning by the David Brent thing but it's shining through in that interview. Were he says the bit about Donovan Wilson said I didn't really want to leave cos you've been such a great manager to me - LOL that is Brent all over. Or the bit where he name drops fans most popular player (Rose) just said to me today how much better we are at playing out from the back now (if it was the office Brent would then look to the camera with smug grin and fiddle with tie). Just reminded me exactly of a scene in the office of Brent taking a phone call and saying to camera crew "oh it's just a member of staff wanting to say what a great job I'm doing". LOL
Also the bollox about we got relegated because we hoofed it. No we didn't. In the relegation season Hollowhead had us start the season trying to play out from the back! The comparisons at the time were McKeown moaning about he thinks we're Barcelona - they're not usually associated with hoofing it! We did change style after even Hollowhead could see it didn't work, didn't we get turned over away at some non league team in the cup whilst trying to knock it about on the edge of our own box I seem to remember. Was hursts team a hoof it team in the 2ne half of season, can't remember but passing it out from the back was how that season started to go downhill. It's also the only previous time we've played that style
As for hoofing it being how we got out of the national league - don't think so, it wasnt the prettiest but it wasn't kick and rush either. Playing it into Taylor for layoffs was one of our main themes, and pushing FBs forward, hunt as a passer in the first half of the season and towler as a good on the ball CB for a while, not one for the purists but hardly Wimbledon circa 1989. So more bollox made up to try and suit his narrative to shore up his position.
Oh and the bit about plan f etc was just a massively long winded way of saying there is no plan b apart from doing plan a better. Which he can't say cos it would paint him as predictable and challinor just gave an interview about how we were predictable and thus easy to plan against.
Oh and he finally admitted we were in a relegation battle - hopefully his eyes have opened!
Anyway he can give as many Brent like interviews as he wants and rewrite history to suit himself as much as he wants if he just starts winning flippin games of football like he's paid to do. Donny is an absolutely massive must not lose game now - do your talking on the pitch Artell, they're as shite as us, show us your plan A can flippin work with this team and beat them! That's all.
And pick players who can play in the way you want. That means players that can pass and move.
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That's a really cringey interview in parts tbh. At least not as bad as the interview I. Saturday I suppose.
I didn't realise what people were meaning by the David Brent thing but it's shining through in that interview. Were he says the bit about Donovan Wilson said I didn't really want to leave cos you've been such a great manager to me - LOL that is Brent all over. Or the bit where he name drops fans most popular player (Rose) just said to me today how much better we are at playing out from the back now (if it was the office Brent would then look to the camera with smug grin and fiddle with tie). Just reminded me exactly of a scene in the office of Brent taking a phone call and saying to camera crew "oh it's just a member of staff wanting to say what a great job I'm doing". LOL
Also the bollox about we got relegated because we hoofed it. No we didn't. In the relegation season Hollowhead had us start the season trying to play out from the back! The comparisons at the time were McKeown moaning about he thinks we're Barcelona - they're not usually associated with hoofing it! We did change style after even Hollowhead could see it didn't work, didn't we get turned over away at some non league team in the cup whilst trying to knock it about on the edge of our own box I seem to remember. Was hursts team a hoof it team in the 2ne half of season, can't remember but passing it out from the back was how that season started to go downhill. It's also the only previous time we've played that style
As for hoofing it being how we got out of the national league - don't think so, it wasnt the prettiest but it wasn't kick and rush either. Playing it into Taylor for layoffs was one of our main themes, and pushing FBs forward, hunt as a passer in the first half of the season and towler as a good on the ball CB for a while, not one for the purists but hardly Wimbledon circa 1989. So more bollox made up to try and suit his narrative to shore up his position.
Oh and the bit about plan f etc was just a massively long winded way of saying there is no plan b apart from doing plan a better. Which he can't say cos it would paint him as predictable and challinor just gave an interview about how we were predictable and thus easy to plan against.
Oh and he finally admitted we were in a relegation battle - hopefully his eyes have opened!
Anyway he can give as many Brent like interviews as he wants and rewrite history to suit himself as much as he wants if he just starts winning flippin games of football like he's paid to do. Donny is an absolutely massive must not lose game now - do your talking on the pitch Artell, they're as shite as us, show us your plan A can flippin work with this team and beat them! That's all.
The only player we have had that I can remember (since Handyside) , who could play the ball out well from the back was Simon Ramsden in Slades first season - he was a very good footballer but slade had the heavy artillery of Whittle & Jones either side of him , with him being the ball player , receiving it from the keeper or one of them 2 giving him it and Ramsden starting the game off . Maybe Andy Smith was just about competent, but he got schooled in that way . Maher and Rodgers are not that good on the ball , neither does Tharme look a ball player . That will surely be a priority in the summer for Artell
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The only player we have had that I can remember (since Handyside) , who could play the ball out well from the back was Simon Ramsden in Slades first season - he was a very good footballer but slade had the heavy artillery of Whittle & Jones either side of him , with him being the ball player , receiving it from the keeper or one of them 2 giving him it and Ramsden starting the game off .
Maybe Andy Smith was just about competent, but he got schooled in that way .
Maher and Rodgers are not that good on the ball , neither does Tharme look a ball player . That will surely be a priority in the summer for Artell
Maher is good on the ball and a good passer. He often plays good forward passes into feet or space. He was also very good defensively last season. We've struggled to make a defensive unit, but he is a good player.
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