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HertsGTFC
February 11, 2024, 1:02pm

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Is also the edict from above that we play like that.


If it truly is the owners have crossed a real line here that m not sure “custodians” should do.


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If it truly is the owners have crossed a rea line here that m not sure “custodians” should do.


I said the same when Stockwood gave the “Grimsby Way” interview, which alarmed me. They’ve admitted themselves they’re not football men, so why are they insisting on determining the philosophy footballing side of club?



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The Grimsby Way balderdash is a rod for the owner’s backs. It’s all well and good wanting to play in a certain way but you need the personnel with the ability to do it. The current lot are too slow in mind, body or both to be able to do it. Dictating that style from boardroom level goes against what they’d said they’d be like as owners (and it’s not the first time either - think back to the badge debacle).

I’m not going to dig at them too much because I think the chronic underinvestment from the previous owner bears the brunt of why we are where we are but flipping hell it’s painful being a Town fan.
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If it truly is the owners have crossed a real line here that m not sure “custodians” should do.


Every time owners appoint a manager they are choosing a certain style of football. I don’t see how this is any different. I’d prefer that to closing your eyes and hoping for some football fortune
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Every time owners appoint a manager they are choosing a certain style of football. I don’t see how this is any different. I’d prefer that to closing your eyes and hoping for some football fortune


Aren’t owners just happy with winning football?


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As I listened to Radio Humberside tonight, the Artell interview felt later than usual and I started to think the contractual post-match interview might have been with Stockwood.

I think most of us expected to lose today, but it's the manner of it. A couple of concerning things during the game unrelated to the goals conceded too: he didn't take the opportunity to have a huddle during an injury break and he absolutely hammered Cartwright for going long when the short options were poor and him going short had not long resulted in us conceding. He was the boards choice, but I think they are going to need to admit they got it wrong very soon as the alternative is relegation.


I really hope JS and the rest of the gtfc hierarchy read this .


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Aren’t owners just happy with winning football?


The problem being you then need to change their entire squad every couple of years and pay off a load of deadwood to suit the latest manager’s style. We’ve tried that.
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I said before we sacked Hurst, the new manager would still have the same squad and would still have to work within the constraints we have, in which players are under contract and the quality you need aren't always available mid-January. Paul Hurst would have made changes in that market, Artell did, but ultimately, teams aren't willing to let strong players go in January when strong players aren't available to be replace them.

I also said it'd probably take 2 summer transfer windows (for contracts to run out) for any manager to pick the squad they want, and maybe 3 if you assume they're human and make mistakes. Every top manager has had plenty of intercourse ups.

Our squad had issues under Hurst. It still has issues now, and it needs time. Swapping out the guy giving the tactics still mean most of the same players are going to be going out on that field. We've got to work with what we have, get behind the players and the team. Artell has got some good form out of them at times, and obviously there have been a few disasters. We're 7 points off relegation and just played the top team with far better quality throughout and a larger budget.

If you swap managers out, you never fully hold your players to account. My view is we stick, support our manager, and not chop and take a 3rd managers salary out of the budget.

The way fans want to change stuff immediately, Alex Fergusson wouldn't have made it out of his first season. Twitter brain football fans are loud, but quite detached from reality, but never accountable when their complaining was misplaced. They'll hide that, and pretend they've always had the right position.


We’re not stupid, as much as it’s easy for people in the game to say we don’t get it . Football managers are successful for their man management , as much as they want to believe it’s about their technical side . Don’t get the man management right , no amount of technical mumbo jumbo will work .


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Quoted from Vance Warner


The problem being you then need to change their entire squad every couple of years and pay off a load of deadwood to suit the latest manager’s style. We’ve tried that.


So it would make sense then to continue with a style which broadly suits the players we have, meanwhile experimenting with a new style which can be safely tried out once 50 points have been achieved. Then when the summer comes around there is a chance to make substantial squad changes.


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We’re not stupid, as much as it’s easy for people in the game to say we don’t get it . Football managers are successful for their man management , as much as they want to believe it’s about their technical side . Don’t get the man management right , no amount of technical mumbo jumbo will work .


I didn’t see it personally as I was too busy in the Upper having my own rant but word in the street is that Artell’s man management of Cartwright didn’t really fit with the current club culture


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