Neil Warnock.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Do you watch the games?

I'm not saying just hoof it but how many goals have we scored from playing it out from the back?

Some are suggesting we played it out well on Saturday but until very late on in the game we created frig all.

I agree that we aren't very good at it, but we've created many chances and goals from us building up the play from the back. Sometimes it's too slow and lethargic, on Saturday when it went into the midfield it went backwards 99% of the time. The absence of Conteh leaves a huge hole as we lack someone that can really break the lines. I think Tharme looked good, he was quite commanding in the air and looked good on it. I think him and Maher could compliment each other well but I don't really have much hope at full back anymore.

Thought Tharme got muscled off the ball a few times and got caught being too keen to nip in as well, but he wasn’t ‘shocking’. I was more surprised that he wasn’t the ball playing, central defender that I thought David Brent would bring in. He looked unsure what to do with the ball whenever he had it and just ended up playing it back to Rodgers or Cartwright, or sending a high looping ball forwards, which I don’t think the manager was happy with. Hopefully that was just because he had no midfield in front of him whatsoever.

Quoted from 123614

So what then?  We just hoof it up field and hope to pickup the 2nd ball?

Yeah we've been doing that since August. 🙄

Rose is so isolated nobody is near enough to pick up a 2nd ball.Keep up ffs were now tika taka like Barca only without the sun.

Artell said we reverted to type. I think our midfield needs to be better at showing for the ball, and braver when they get it, facing our own goal 40 yards out.

That's not Wood or Andrews' game, and Tranmere pressed Green the whole time so in that situation what do you do?

It's a worrying sign that we're getting worse, not better, after beating Salford 3-0.

I appreciate we've had change in personnel too, but hasn't every team in Jan?

Tranmere knew we'd try and pass it out from the back. They set up in a 4-4-2 and let our back line have it. Our 3 in midfield couldn't escape the 4 of Tranmere.

Then we hit it long to a bloke who's got a decent leap but at the end of the day he's not six foot. Wide players Clifton and Eisa are in no man's land.

Tactically, we were out-thought. Physically, we were out-fought.

I want to like Artell but it worries me that neither he nor his players had any clue of what to do when it became clear we'd need to do something different.

With 11 men settled and in position, we weren't going to tip-tap it around and jostle the opposition out of position. They were far too disciplined to fall for that trap.

Artell needs to see the season out playing in a way that suits our players. Trouble is, now that he's moved some on and brought some in, we're a bit of a mess in terms of style.

Quoted from fishcake63

We are not good enough to play out end of but we have a manager that thinks we can hence why we concede awful goals most games , unless we change & he wont we best hope sutton & fgr dont suddenly pick two or three wins up because i dont see us getting over 40 points

I’d take 40 points and risk it right now.

Quoted from jimgtfc

Thought Tharme got muscled off the ball a few times and got caught being too keen to nip in as well, but he wasn’t ‘shocking’. I was more surprised that he wasn’t the ball playing, central defender that I thought David Brent would bring in. He looked unsure what to do with the ball whenever he had it and just ended up playing it back to Rodgers or Cartwright, or sending a high looping ball forwards, which I don’t think the manager was happy with. Hopefully that was just because he had no midfield in front of him whatsoever.

Probably the wrong choice of word on my part, I should have said very underwhelming. We started with Tharme and Rodgers, but would prefer Maher and Waterfall if he was still here over those two. I agree with your description of Tharme though and to me he just didn't have any presence at all and was far too lightweight, not quick, couldn't pick a pass.  

This is what irks me with recruitment - keep your money in your pocket if we just keep swapping players if we are not going to get an upgrade.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Probably the wrong choice of word on my part, I should have said very underwhelming. We started with Tharme and Rodgers, but would prefer Maher and Waterfall if he was still here over those two. I agree with your description of Tharme though and to me he just didn't have any presence at all and was far too lightweight, not quick, couldn't pick a pass.  

This is what irks me with recruitment - keep your money in your pocket if we just keep swapping players if we are not going to get an upgrade.

What you on about?...Waterfall was past it, he turned slower than oil tanker, league football was beyond him, we've bought a 24 year old, who looked assured imo, can't judge him on one performance, playing with Mullarkey and Glennon.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

What you on about?...Waterfall was past it, he turned slower than oil tanker, league football was beyond him, we've bought a 24 year old, who looked assured imo, can't judge him on one performance, playing with Mullarkey and Glennon.

In your opinion he looked assured, which is fair enough, and he looked anything but in mine, so time will tell which of us is right!

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

In your opinion he looked assured, which is fair enough, and he looked anything but in mine, so time will tell which of us is right!

I thought, bearing in mind how bad our defence has been, that I didn't notice him being a particular upgrade, just seemed much of a muchness with Rodgers really, which is a bit worrying!

I thought Tharme did fine. Nothing special, but nothing terrible. He's as good a ball player as the rest of our centre-halves so can't really critise him for that side of the game too much.

Waterfall isn't half the player he was during our promotion season, so it was time for him to move on. Our current options aren't as strong as him in the air, but there isn't much difference in other aspects and he's by far the slowest of them. I think the Walsall game sealed his fate, though it may have been that a move was already in the pipeline. It was certainly rumoured.