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It’s a horrible idea that will simply kill the ebb and flow of a game further. It will make it even more stop start, fragmented and involve the officials more than is required. I think it’s totally unnecessary and the cards system we have already can police the game just fine. It’s more tinkering from people who should have more pressing matters to address.
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Another ridiculous idea by the people who are slowly ruining a great game
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OddShapedBalls |
November 30, 2023, 8:42am |
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There will be no consistency applied to it's use, so it'll just be controversial from the start, and as has been mentioned if the officials grew a pair and handed out cards for dissent like the rules already allow for teams would soon back off.
If you look at rugby it's not just sin-bins there's a range of measures the ref has at his disposal to deal with gobby/threatening behaviour from players and club staff (overturning penalties, marching teams back 10, warning captains, cumulative punishment) so why they'd just cherry pick one thing as some kind of silver bullet is beyond me.
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rancido |
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There will be no consistency applied to it's use, so it'll just be controversial from the start, and as has been mentioned if the officials grew a pair and handed out cards for dissent like the rules already allow for teams would soon back off.
If you look at rugby it's not just sin-bins there's a range of measures the ref has at his disposal to deal with gobby/threatening behaviour from players and club staff (overturning penalties, marching teams back 10, warning captains, cumulative punishment) so why they'd just cherry pick one thing as some kind of silver bullet is beyond me.
I see nothing wrong in " cherry picking" laws from other sports and, yes you are right, in RU the ref has many measures at his disposal. The football refs do need to exercise their laws more stringently but I still think a sin bin is a good idea. We all seem to agree that discipline in football has to be better, so surely the consequences of rule breaking will help to " focus minds" before players make rash challenges. I have actually thought for a long time the application of " cumulative punishment" in football would be a good thing, especially where time wasting and " sham injuries" are concerned. It only needs the ref to say to the captain that the next incident of time wasting, whoever commits it ,will result in a yellow and I'm sure you will see less of it. When a player goes down injured and the physio is called on, then the injured player should go off the pitch for 5 mins to be properly assessed. Then you will see injury time wasting reduced immediately. As for injuries ,except for head injuries, play shouldn't be stopped unless the ref decides it is serious enough to stop the game and then the 5 minute off period should be applied. If a player can "run" a knock off without the physio being involved then why should play be stopped?
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GrimPol |
November 30, 2023, 9:10am |
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The latest from the lawmakers is that they are going to trial sin bin system for football. Personally I don't think it would work. If a player is sin binned for 10 minutes, his team will try to waste as much as that time as possible resulting in the game being slowed down. Also will goalkeepers also be sin binned? The reason it works in other sports is because they have a clock that stops when the game stops, so the full 10 minute penalty is served. There is no system in football so it will be left to the officials to police, and we all know how that will pan out.
Just expanding on what you have written, it would be interesting to see how long it would take to play actual 90 mins if the clock was stopped for Throw-ins, Pennos, Frees, Corners, numerous "injuries" I might have to take two Thermos flasks with coffee.
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Just expanding on what you have written, it would be interesting to see how long it would take to play actual 90 mins if the clock was stopped for Throw-ins, Pennos, Frees, Corners, numerous "injuries" I might have to take two Thermos flasks with coffee.
Although this is slightly " tongue in cheek" you can set a time limit for each incident, like a kick in RU. Any incidents of slowing the proceedings down by the opposing side results in an instant yellow card. There are many ways the ref can stop opposing teams from slowing the game down at free- kicks. Players who don't retreat 10 yards immediately or stand over the ball until their team is in place - yellow card and 10 mins "sin bin". I have never understood why refs allow players from the opposing side to handle or move the ball when a free- kick or throw in is given. Stopping that will help speed the game up. Of course it will cause a lot of discord but that will soon pass when the message gets through. All these aspects of " game management" have been allowed to creep into the game and it will take a painful, radical approach to eliminate them and allow the fans and spectators to watch , as close as possible , 90 minutes of football. IMO most football fans are a conservative bunch ( note small 'c' and none political) but something radical needs to be done to get the game back to how the game should be played in the true " spirit if the game" without all this professional gamesmanship that has been allowed to insidiously creep into the game and spoil it as a sporting spectacle.
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November 30, 2023, 9:52am |
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Just expanding on what you have written, it would be interesting to see how long it would take to play actual 90 mins if the clock was stopped for Throw-ins, Pennos, Frees, Corners, numerous "injuries" I might have to take two Thermos flasks with coffee.
In the Premier League, the average time a ball is actually in play is 55 minutes. Which is 61% of 90 minutes So you'd have to play an additional 39% to reach 90mins of ball in play, which is 35 mins So if my maths is correct (and just a disclaimer it may well not be!), it would take 125mins of actual time to play 90 mins of the ball being in play.
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November 30, 2023, 10:00am |
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In the Premier League, the average time a ball is actually in play is 55 minutes. Which is 61% of 90 minutes
So you'd have to play an additional 39% to reach 90mins of ball in play, which is 35 mins
So if my maths is correct (and just a disclaimer it may well not be!), it would take 125mins of actual time to play 90 mins of the ball being in play.
Miss your train back then
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rancido |
November 30, 2023, 10:23am |
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In the Premier League, the average time a ball is actually in play is 55 minutes. Which is 61% of 90 minutes
So you'd have to play an additional 39% to reach 90mins of ball in play, which is 35 mins
So if my maths is correct (and just a disclaimer it may well not be!), it would take 125mins of actual time to play 90 mins of the ball being in play.
Surely then it would make more sense to eliminate all the time wasting and have a game that lasts closer to the 90 mins that the ball is in play.
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