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I'm not sure that Hurst's rep will have been unduly damaged. If it was Christmas and we were in the bottom 2, then maybe. The decision was made before many of the fans had turned and was handled with a fair degree of mutual respect. I expect him to rock up at a big NL club soon. Whether he can change his spots.......I am not so sure.
Not unless GTFC settle as he will be on garden leave and paid as usual for as long as the contract, or until he takes up alternative employment. As a very minimum he will be better off financially in failure, and we out of pocket. Think PH blowing smoke up his assistance proverbial in that Swan, Song speaks volumes that something was considered wrong and that it was put to PH at some stage before D-Day. Maybe an act of misguided loyalty going on. |
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| arryarryarry |
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Not unless GTFC settle as he will be on garden leave and paid as usual for as long as the contract, or until he takes up alternative employment. As a very minimum he will be better off financially in failure, and we out of pocket.
Think PH blowing smoke up his assistance proverbial in that Swan, Song speaks volumes that something was considered wrong and that it was put to PH at some stage before D-Day. Maybe an act of misguided loyalty going on.
Depends on the agreement between the two parties. Gardening leave means you are still employed and have to be available to be called back into work and is sometimes used to try to prevent an employee going to a competitor. Would be a bit barmy for a football club to stop a sacked manager from getting another job. Even if the manager was able to get a position he would still be entitled to being paid for his contractual notice period. That's not to say the two parties coming to some sort of financial agreement. Any contractual agreement for payment in lieu of notice would make that payment taxable, so there may be another way of making a non taxable payment to the benefit of both parties. |
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Agree. Seems doubtful he would be on gardening leave to me.
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Think the commonly held view is that a sacked manager would receive a percentage pay off in lieu of remaining contract or possibly paid as normal until future employment is taken.
No idea how accurate that is , don't know any sacked managers personally so can't ask ...but I think the parting words of the board and Hursts response try to paint a nice picture so that all sides look as creditable as possible for both parties sake.
If you are paying a manager until he gets re-employed you want to make him sound as good as possible.
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| ska face |
| November 20, 2023, 6:59pm |
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Why the fųck would any board put themselves in a position where they’re just paying an employee they don’t want until they end of their contract, after getting rid of them for unacceptable performance? Especially in the case of Hurst and Doig where they were supposedly on rolling contracts.
You’d have a position where we’d be paying them until the end of time if they decided not to bother getting another job? Who comes up with this shıte?
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| TheRealJohnLewis |
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That's not how rolling contracts work!
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Were they actually on rolling contracts? Or was that a Fenty thing?
I know they were initially, but if I recall they were given new contracts post promotion or fa cup, not sure if the terms of that were ever made public
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| Captain Sensible |
| November 20, 2023, 10:32pm |
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That’s a great analogy, and the sheer number of points dropped from leading positions this season absolutely backs up the theory.
If there’s a difference now though, it’s that we’re gaining points from losing positions. If I’ve done the maths correctly, we dropped 19 points from losing positions under Hurst this season (not double counting the two times we led at Notts County), and gained literally zero from losing positions (and we gave ourselves no shortage of opportunities in this regard.
For a bloke with over 700 games in management under his belt, this is simply appalling game and man management. Hard to believe that this is the same guy who oversaw almost superhuman levels of mental and physical resilience in the play-offs not much less than 18 months ago.
It does all sadly rather point to something having been seriously off behind the scenes. Hurst’s rep will take some time to recover from this one.
We were losing at home to Morecambe tbf (after 2 minutes) and took all three points. Also we came from losing positions to draw against Tranmere and FGR. That's slim pickings though, obviously. It's an odd metric though, because you can both gain and lose points from losing or winning positions in the same match. As happened at Tranmere. |
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| Poojah |
| November 20, 2023, 10:43pm |
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We were losing at home to Morecambe tbf (after 2 minutes) and took all three points. Also we came from losing positions to draw against Tranmere and FGR. That's slim pickings though, obviously.
It's an odd metric though, because you can both gain and lose points from losing or winning positions in the same match. As happened at Tranmere.
You’re right about Tranmere, so that’s one point. Hurst wasn’t in charge for Morecambe or FGR though, which was the point I was making. Ergo, we gained zero one point s from behind all season under Hurst, and then suddenly four in two games under Pearson and Davies. |
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| Captain Sensible |
| November 20, 2023, 10:49pm |
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You’re right about Tranmere, so that’s one point. Hurst wasn’t in charge for Morecambe or FGR though, which was the point I was making. Ergo, we gained zero one points from behind all season under Hurst, and then suddenly four in two games under Pearson and Davies.
Ah, fair enough. I hadn't realised you were looking at Hurst games only. Even slimmer pickings.  |
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