Not looking good for Scunny

Not looking good for them is it, 6 points adrift of safety now with a far inferior goal difference and the teams around them have a game in hand.

Fully expect them to be joining us in the National League next season, can't see us getting promoted the way things are going.

I’d put money on both those predictions
Still a bit ahead of former league side Gainsborough

6 extra points for us

Wonder if Scunny will be promoted back to the league before us.

Monday morning and at last some good news!

Every cloud has a silver lining 😀

To be fair, they have better form than us over the last 10 games in a division higher. So we can't really laugh, can we?

Thank goodness for our decent start or our League position would mirror theirs.

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To be fair, they have better form than us over the last 10 games in a division higher. So we can't really laugh, can we?

Lincoln hovering above the relegation slots.

Scunny in danger of getting cast adrift in League Two.

Us floundering.

Gainsborough in a similar position in the Northern Premier.

Only really Boston who sit outside the Conference North play-off spots with much going on from a Lincolnshire perspective this season.

Pretty drab really.

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Lincoln hovering above the relegation slots.

Scunny in danger of getting cast adrift in League Two.

Us floundering.

Gainsborough in a similar position in the Northern Premier.

Only really Boston who sit outside the Conference North play-off spots with much going on from a Lincolnshire perspective this season.

Pretty drab really.

Cleethorpes and Grimsby Borough are doing alright in their respective divisions. Distinct possibility that Gainsborough could be swapping places with Cleethorpes and hosting Grimsby Borough next season.

Putting Clee Town two levels below us? Jeez.

6th straight defeat in the league after today.

Scunny now bottom and 7 points adrift of safety with a far inferior goal difference and more games played than all their rivals, it's not looking good.

Quoted from promotion plaice

6th straight defeat in the league after today.

Scunny now bottom and 7 points adrift of safety with a far inferior goal difference and more games played than all their rivals, it's not looking good.

Define not looking good 🤔

Quoted from promotion plaice

6th straight defeat in the league after today.

Scunny now bottom and 7 points adrift of safety with a far inferior goal difference and more games played than all their rivals, it's not looking good.

They threw in the towel letting Loft go.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

They threw in the towel letting Loft go.

My thoughts exactly

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Define not looking good 🤔

🤣

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Define not looking good 🤔

Exactly, I think it looks awesome!

Though things don’t look great for them, they’ve just signed Anthony Grant who absolutely bossed the last game we played against Swindon.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Though things don’t look great for them, they’ve just signed Anthony Grant who absolutely bossed the last game we played against Swindon.

Wonder if they want Joel as well...

The Scunts look like they are going down but I really rate the manager Kieth Hill , after listening to him on Tuesday night on RH he is so full of optimism, if Paul Hurst does leave town for whatever reason (sacked) , Keith Hill would in my opinion be a great replacement when you consider his previous managerial experience coming to Town would be a step up for him .😀😀

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The Scunts look like they are going down but I really rate the manager Kieth Hill , after listening to him on Tuesday night on RH he is so full of optimism, if Paul Hurst does leave town for whatever reason (sacked) , Keith Hill would in my opinion be a great replacement when you consider his previous managerial experience coming to Town would be a step up for him .😀😀

I disagree, he made a right hash of it at Tranmere and he hasn't exactly set the world alight so far at Scunny has he? His post match interviews are entertaining I'll give you that, but that's from a town fans point of view. Not sure I'd like it as a Scunny player hearing the manager telling RH that we 'aren't good enough' that 'we need help' or that 'we should go into games knowing we've lost before kick off and relieve some pressure'.

Cox did a similar thing pre-season by putting up around the changing room and GP quotes of people writing Scunny off this year and saying how rubbish they were, didn't have the desired effect I don't think.

Quoted from RobDef1

I disagree, he made a right hash of it at Tranmere and he hasn't exactly set the world alight so far at Scunny has he? His post match interviews are entertaining I'll give you that, but that's from a town fans point of view. Not sure I'd like it as a Scunny player hearing the manager telling RH that we 'aren't good enough' that 'we need help' or that 'we should go into games knowing we've lost before kick off and relieve some pressure'.

Cox did a similar thing pre-season by putting up around the changing room and GP quotes of people writing Scunny off this year and saying how rubbish they were, didn't have the desired effect I don't think.

I get Runaway vibes from Keith Hill.

Hill is definitely in their with that flipping charlatans antics…it’s all funny when he’s not your manager but when he is it’s a ducking embarrassing moment…

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I get Runaway vibes from Keith Hill.

Yeah same here. Possibly a bit more integrity but I guess time will tell if he stays put when they fall out of the league, inevitably.

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Hill is definitely in their with that flipping charlatans antics…it’s all funny when he’s not your manager but when he is it’s a ducking embarrassing moment…

He seemed to be throwing a few punches tonight about bringing in Keith Hill players and building something whilst also complaining about the embargo he knew about before taking the job.

Like ourselves though, if you kick around the bottom end of a division due to a continuous lack of investment it eventually catches up with you.

The Scunts. Building for the future, in the NPL!

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He seemed to be throwing a few punches tonight about bringing in Keith Hill players and building something whilst also complaining about the embargo he knew about before taking the job.

Like ourselves though, if you kick around the bottom end of a division due to a continuous lack of investment it eventually catches up with you.

The issue in the case of Scunny isn’t really a lack of investment, but rather the opposite. They spunked the best part of £10m they didn’t have on the pipe dream of reaching the Championship with no contingency plan whatsoever.

They’re now having to deal with the same kind of austerity that killed Town in the years following the ITV Digital fiasco, except this is entirely of their own making.

They’re in a vicious, vicious circle now though and it’s going to take quite something to pull them out of it. They are up shít creek, and Peter Swann has taken ownership of their paddle…

Barrow and Colchester both winning tonight, not good news for the Scunts.

Scunny now 9 points adrift of safety as it stands.

Carlisle now losing, make that 8 points adrift of safety.

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Carlisle now losing, make that 8 points adrift of safety.

Carlisle seem to have gone all in on our rejects so it's no surprise they are drawing towards the relegation zone.

Dear oh dear. Barrow winning away at 5th placed Northampton tonight won’t have been a part of the Scunny recovery plan, and Colchester adding a point to their tally won’t have helped either.

They’re 8 points adrift with by far the division’s worst goal difference, and they also happen to be bottom of the form table having taken a total of 0 points from their last 6 games, and have won only 3 times all season.

The teams they need to catch are more or less averaging a point per game (Carlisle are averaging 0.96 points if you want to split hairs) so if you work on that basis they’re going to need about 28 points from their remaining 18 games having picked up only 19 from their first 28. If you want a benchmark, we had 24 points at the same stage last season.

They’re not going to do it, are they? Defeat against Oldham on Saturday is surely the final nail in their EFL coffin.

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Dear oh dear. Barrow winning away at 5th placed Northampton tonight won’t have been a part of the Scunny recovery plan, and Colchester adding a point to their tally won’t have helped either.

They’re 8 points adrift with by far the division’s worst goal difference, and they also happen to be bottom of the form table having taken a total of 0 points from their last 6 games, and have won only 3 times all season.

The teams they need to catch are more or less averaging a point per game (Carlisle are averaging 0.96 points if you want to split hairs) so if you work on that basis they’re going to need about 28 points from their remaining 18 games having picked up only 19 from their first 28.

They’re not going to do it, are they? Defeat against Oldham on Saturday is surely the final nail in their EFL coffin.

By your calculations they need to win every other game. I firmly believe if there was another 5 games last season we would have stayed up and they would have gone down. As he's said it's all about breaking even now but with dwindling support and no success on the pitch, those sources of income decrease so the budget decreases and the support dwindles further etc, etc, etc.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

By your calculations they need to win every other game. I firmly believe if there was another 5 games last season we would have stayed up and they would have gone down. As he's said it's all about breaking even now but with dwindling support and no success on the pitch, those sources of income decrease so the budget decreases and the support dwindles further etc, etc, etc.

Agree with you here. Cox scraped three wins in quick succession to pull them clear before sinking like a stone over the final ten games. Meanwhile Hurst took an age to get us going, but we were gradually clawing at them. Another 4-5 games and I think we would have caught them. No surprise at all that they are now in the mire this season.

We buggered it up against Carlisle away.  Turned 3 points into 1 when we needed momentum going into the Colchester game.  With momentum I think we'd have beat Colchester and completely changed the dynamic of the relegation scrap.

But yeah ultimately we just left it too late to get going.  Hindsight's great.

Would Alex May turning up a few weeks earlier and bringing all the events forward a few weeks have changed anything? I'm not sure because although Hurst would have had a few more weeks with the likes of Danny Rose, Montel Gibson and Sisay, I I still think our January recruitment would have been the same and happened at a similar time.

I think the biggest thing to be annoyed about is the fact it looks like we could have spent another £200k on making a better fight of survival.

Quoted from Poojah

Dear oh dear. Barrow winning away at 5th placed Northampton tonight won’t have been a part of the Scunny recovery plan, and Colchester adding a point to their tally won’t have helped either.

They’re 8 points adrift with by far the division’s worst goal difference, and they also happen to be bottom of the form table having taken a total of 0 points from their last 6 games, and have won only 3 times all season.

The teams they need to catch are more or less averaging a point per game (Carlisle are averaging 0.96 points if you want to split hairs) so if you work on that basis they’re going to need about 28 points from their remaining 18 games having picked up only 19 from their first 28. If you want a benchmark, we had 24 points at the same stage last season.

They’re not going to do it, are they? Defeat against Oldham on Saturday is surely the final nail in their EFL coffin.

I watched Oldham at Harrogate Town two weeks ago. Now, Harrogate are a very neat  and tidy team who play quick passing football and they beat them easily, 3-0, but Oldham were absolutely hopeless. I mean, really, really poor. Wouldn’t have scored if they’d played for a week. Way worse than our relegated team. Scunny will beat them if they are even a tiny bit better than them, but I would be utterly astonished if they aren’t both relegated. My guess would be 0-0 or 1-0 on Saturday.

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Would Alex May turning up a few weeks earlier and bringing all the events forward a few weeks have changed anything? I'm not sure because although Hurst would have had a few more weeks with the likes of Danny Rose, Montel Gibson and Sisay, I I still think our January recruitment would have been the same and happened at a similar time.

I think the biggest thing to be annoyed about is the fact it looks like we could have spent another £200k on making a better fight of survival.

Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing, would it have brought things forward anymore...I really don't know.  In terms of a time-line, did 1878 get things over the line (which, let's face it resulted in Hurst coming back) for agreeing a deal with Fenty earlier because of the May situation or did it just fall into place around the same time?  

I think recruitment would have been the same but Hurst might have had extra time to get the organisation of the side sorted.  We became harder to beat from late Jan but were still losing games.  I mean it's pure conjecture, but if we were more organised would we have conceded that sucker punch against Stevenage, or even the week before would we have ground out a draw against Scunny (who weren't exactly great, we were just awful), same against Port Vale a few weeks before that.  Knock on from points picked up there might have been we went for it a bit earlier, I'm thinking the likes of Harrogate away when we failed to land a punch on them and just defended a 1-0 defeat.  Few points there would have chalked up on the tally but maybe given the confidence to get a win at Carlisle, Colchester at home.  I dunno....

Looking at the results again, we went mega defensive at Harrogate five days after beating Crawley, our first win in 2 months, regardless of the players we had at our disposal we should have gone more on the offensive.  Then again I think we just got better at the back once we stumbled upon Hewitt and Meyanese as a pairing, which I think was more brought on by injuries than anything else wasn't it?

All in, I look at the points dropped to Carlisle, Colchester and Salford as those where we could and should have taken maximum points.  That would have dragged both Scunny and Barrow into it more.  I think Scunny especially would have buckled at that point.  But losing 3-0 away at two relegation rivals, in the space of two weeks, in January gave us a massive mountain to climb.

All it would have taken was a win at Scunny and they would have gone down instead of us.

You can look at it until you are blue in the face but not much point is there?

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Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing, would it have brought things forward anymore...I really don't know.  In terms of a time-line, did 1878 get things over the line (which, let's face it resulted in Hurst coming back) for agreeing a deal with Fenty earlier because of the May situation or did it just fall into place around the same time?  

I think recruitment would have been the same but Hurst might have had extra time to get the organisation of the side sorted.  We became harder to beat from late Jan but were still losing games.  I mean it's pure conjecture, but if we were more organised would we have conceded that sucker punch against Stevenage, or even the week before would we have ground out a draw against Scunny (who weren't exactly great, we were just awful), same against Port Vale a few weeks before that.  Knock on from points picked up there might have been we went for it a bit earlier, I'm thinking the likes of Harrogate away when we failed to land a punch on them and just defended a 1-0 defeat.  Few points there would have chalked up on the tally but maybe given the confidence to get a win at Carlisle, Colchester at home.  I dunno....

Looking at the results again, we went mega defensive at Harrogate five days after beating Crawley, our first win in 2 months, regardless of the players we had at our disposal we should have gone more on the offensive.  Then again I think we just got better at the back once we stumbled upon Hewitt and Meyanese as a pairing, which I think was more brought on by injuries than anything else wasn't it?

All in, I look at the points dropped to Carlisle, Colchester and Salford as those where we could and should have taken maximum points.  That would have dragged both Scunny and Barrow into it more.  I think Scunny especially would have buckled at that point.  But losing 3-0 away at two relegation rivals, in the space of two weeks, in January gave us a massive mountain to climb.

Most of what you say was down to poor decisions by Paul Hurst, firstly signing some players who were no where near match fit with only half  season to save ourselves, then excrement tactics like Harrogate away one of the worst performances from a Town side for many seasons, in fact I started a Hurst Out thread right after that game saying he would take us down.

He also lost us the two points at Carlisle by going defensive when we were cruising to 3 points by bringing on Waterfall.

We can all bleat on about if we had won here or drawn there, the simple facts are that John Fenty, Ian Holloway and Paul Hurst are all responsible for us being out of the Football League.

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Most of what you say was down to poor decisions by Paul Hurst, firstly signing some players who were no where near match fit with only half  season to save ourselves, then excrement tactics like Harrogate away one of the worst performances from a Town side for many seasons, in fact I started a Hurst Out thread right after that game saying he would take us down.

He also lost us the two points at Carlisle by going defensive when we were cruising to 3 points by bringing on Waterfall.

We can all bleat on about if we had won here or drawn there, the simple facts are that John Fenty, Ian Holloway and Paul Hurst are all responsible for us being out of the Football League.

Hurst out thread less than 2 months after he's appointed. That's good going even for a Town fan.

We were absolutely robbed at Carlisle too, there was a perfectly fine goal disallowed. Waterfall came on in the 90th minute too, I think 95% of professional football managers are making that change to protect the lead, let's not dress this up like Parslow v2.0.

"We can all bleat on about if we had won here or drawn there, the simple facts are that John Fenty, Ian Holloway and Paul Hurst are all responsible for us being out of the Football League."

Not the players?

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Hurst out thread less than 2 months after he's appointed. That's good going even for a Town fan.

We were absolutely robbed at Carlisle too, there was a perfectly fine goal disallowed. Waterfall came on in the 90th minute too, I think 95% of professional football managers are making that change to protect the lead, let's not dress this up like Parslow v2.0.

I know that game as the Waterfall wobble, the sequel to the Parslow Point

I think it is too early to pop the champagne corks. Here are Scunthorpe's remaining games (home in capitals):

OLDHAM, WALSALL, Swindon, ROCHDALE, NORTHAMPTON, Sutton, Crawley, COLCHESTER, BARROW, Salford, HARROGATE, Forest Green, MANSFIELD, Leyton Orient, STEVENAGE, Bradford, HARTLEPOOL, Bristol Rovers.

If they are still eight points adrift after the Barrow game, then they are probably doomed.

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I think it is too early to pop the champagne corks. Here are Scunthorpe's remaining games (home in capitals):

OLDHAM, WALSALL, Swindon, ROCHDALE, NORTHAMPTON, Sutton, Crawley, COLCHESTER, BARROW, Salford, HARROGATE, Forest Green, MANSFIELD, Leyton Orient, STEVENAGE, Bradford, HARTLEPOOL, Bristol Rovers.

If they are still eight points adrift after the Barrow game, then they are probably doomed.

This is a double-edged sword though, particularly when you consider that they’ve only won 3 games all season. Lose to any one of those relegation rivals and it compounds the issue.

A handful of six-pointers does in theory give them a chance, but it also makes things incredibly perilous. I think if you ran this scenario through a probability machine, the odds of Scunny surviving would look pretty poor.

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This is a double-edged sword though, particularly when you consider that they’ve only won 3 games all season. Lose to any one of those relegation rivals and it compounds the issue.

A handful of six-pointers does in theory give them a chance, but it also makes things incredibly perilous. I think if you ran this scenario through a probability machine, the odds of Scunny surviving would look pretty poor.

They got 13 wins last season and barely scraped staying up. Are they going to win 10 games from their remaining fixtures?

Knowing our luck, they will stay up with less points than we got relegated with. Some seasons, it takes less points than others.

Quoted from diehardmariner

We buggered it up against Carlisle away.  Turned 3 points into 1 when we needed momentum going into the Colchester game.  With momentum I think we'd have beat Colchester and completely changed the dynamic of the relegation scrap.

But yeah ultimately we just left it too late to get going.  Hindsight's great.

I felt at the time and still do today, that we were down the moment Stevenage scored that last kick of the game winner at BP straight from kick off. Teams do not come back from that stuff mentally. And so it proved to be. Think Scunny have made surprisingly decent signings in the last week given the circumstances, but it'll take a miracle to keep them up, can't see it happening.

Quoted from RobDef1

I felt at the time and still do today, that we were down the moment Stevenage scored that last kick of the game winner at BP straight from kick off. Teams do not come back from that stuff mentally. And so it proved to be. Think Scunny have made surprisingly decent signings in the last week given the circumstances, but it'll take a miracle to keep them up, can't see it happening.

Exactly what I posted when Stevenage beat us.

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They got 13 wins last season and barely scraped staying up. Are they going to win 10 games from their remaining fixtures?

Knowing our luck, they will stay up with less points than we got relegated with. Some seasons, it takes less points than others.

Well somehow they’ve managed to accrue 5 fewer points than we had at the same stage last season, which gives you a benchmark as to just how rancid they have been.

After 28 games we were 3 points from safety with two games in hand. However you frame it they’re in a much worse position than we were a year ago so they’ll need to do a lot more than we did with the remainder of the season (which wasn’t a lot, admittedly).

Swanny’s horses going just as well then….

https://www.racingpost.com/profile/owner/213622/the-cool-silk-partnership/horses

Looking grim indeed for them, but I don't think we will be in the League next season either unfortunately.    

Quoted from RonMariner

Looking grim indeed for them, but I don't think we will be in the League next season either unfortunately.    

Hard to disagree with that. I still harbour reasonable hope that we’ll make the play-offs, but winning them looks a virtual impossibility if I’m honest.

Quoted from Poojah

Hard to disagree with that. I still harbour reasonable hope that we’ll make the play-offs, but winning them looks a virtual impossibility if I’m honest.

I can't see us finishing in the top three, so the best we can hope for I think is 4th to 7th. That means putting together three good performances in succession to go up, including an away win at either the second or third placed team.

Looking a tall order given our form in the last three months.

A local derby at Glumford Park next season beckons.  

Crossing threads a bit but failure to make the top 7 will be a disaster in my eyes, regardless of what the club says.

Totally honest I don't see this current set of players going on some massive run of wins that will see us close down the likes of Stockport, Chesterfield, Halifax...  That said, it would be the most Hurst like thing ever if we went on a series of 1-0 wins to make it interesting.

We've been absolutely dire for 3 months, all the arguments of "oh we only lost by the odd goal" are null and void in my eyes.  We've simply not looked good enough.  Yet despite having such a turgid run where we picked up, what was it...7 points from 39 or something, we're still only 12 points off the top spot.  After such a run of form from October to January I would have realistically expected any side to be lurking above the relegation spots.

I know our early season form gave us a little buffer but even still, it amazes me we're still in the top half!   I think without an outstanding team this year, with lots of strong teams instead, you get that scenario where they just take points off each other.  Stockport are flying at the minute but I'm sure someone will take points off them.  

Town's problem hasn't been the defence.  That's remained relatively solid.  The issue has been midfield and creating/taking chances.  If you get McAtee back on song and can keep Maguire-Drew fit there's always a chance of scoring goals.  Behind them, Raikhy impressed me on Saturday but I definitely think we need a bit more.  Couple of good signings and it's not all over yet.  Stranger things have happened in football.

March through to mid-April feels like it could be a massive period, so many games against those we want to draw in.  Then, theoretically, the last 5 games could be a real chance for a last push.

Prediction......

We win our last game of season to finish in playoffs, and go on to win promotion.
SUFC loose there last game, and are relegated.

Carlsberg anybody....

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Prediction......

We win our last game of season to finish in playoffs, and go on to win promotion.
SUFC loose there last game, and are relegated.

Carlsberg anybody....

Lose not loose, rather annoying

Quoted from supertown

Lose not loose, rather annoying

I think there are a few old boys on here who may not be as flamboyant with the keyboard, but it doesn't bother me (grammar) as my brain can interpret what GM wrote, bit harsh supertown.  

Loose.  Not Carlsberg then?

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I think there are a few old boys on here who may not be as flamboyant with the keyboard, but it doesn't bother me (grammar) as my brain can interpret what GM wrote, bit harsh supertown.  

A bit of loose keyboard work is always forgivable. Using "less" instead of "fewer" is mildly irritating but "could of" instead of "could have" is unconscionable and deserving of a three-match ban from the Fishy...

Quoted from GrimPol

"We can all bleat on about if we had won here or drawn there, the simple facts are that John Fenty, Ian Holloway and Paul Hurst are all responsible for us being out of the Football League."

Not the players?

Players don't just walk off the street and start playing, someone has to sign them.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Players don't just walk off the street and start playing, someone has to sign them.

So if I employ an Electrician and Plumber, and the fuses keep blowing due to poor wiring and leaks galore due to rubbish soldering, it's all down to me.
Electrician and Plumber are blameless?

Quoted from GrimPol

So if I employ an Electrician and Plumber, and the fuses keep blowing due to poor wiring and leaks galore due to rubbish soldering, it's all down to me.
Electrician and Plumber are blameless?

Well if you don't do your homework on employing a tradesman and employ someone who is crap at their job then yes it is your fault. Over the past 15 months we have had some excrement players and that is down to who signed them.

Well if you don't do your homework on employing a tradesman and employ someone who is crap at their job then yes it is your fault. Over the past 15 months we have had some excrement players and that is down to who signed them.

Well, even Checktrade doesn't guarantee a good tradesman. But they have been through a trade apprenticeship, but so what. You don't have to pass exams for attitude or work ethic.
You ask about, check on their work, but still, get caught out.

The point is a manager can only assess a player in training, but can only play them when under contract, and then it's a bit late.
When managers (Premiership)  buy players that are performing weekly in a team, under a spotlight, under a microscope, and even then they buy pups. Look at Balotelli or Pogba, managers tore their hair out.
Grimsby, like others, have what the others don't want. When was the last time we bought a player, by paying off his contract?
It's like that box of chocolates at Christmas, the favourites go first, then the 2nd favourites, etc, until you are left with the sickly strawberry cream thing which you don't really want, but eventually eat because that's what's left. That Strawberry cream(s) is what PH has to deal with, train, mould and push onto the pitch to hopefully win.
Yes, I know most fans wanted the Truffles and Ganache, but it's the Sickly Strawberrys we got.
I'm disappointed as you are, but then that is a heavy burden one takes when you follow lower league football.
But cheer up, you could be Derby County fan.

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But cheer up, you could be Derby County fan.

I wouldn't write them off just yet. Despite the 21 point deduction they are only 7 points from safety now, so gaining far more points than the teams around them.

Some millionaires are in negotiation to buy them and their last home gate was over 32,000.

I think I'd swap our position for theirs.   

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Prediction......

We win our last game of season to finish in playoffs, and go on to win promotion.
SUFC loose there last game, and are relegated.

Carlsberg anybody....

Beating Bromley in the playoffs on the way, sticking it right up woodman. 😉