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May 8, 2021, 2:30pm
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Hasn’t there been some sort of scandal involving Tory councillors around NEL?


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It was a very low turnout in Hartlepool. 32% I think. It might be that lots of Labour voters simply stayed at home.

There’s also local factors at play. Hasn’t there been some scandals involving Labour councillors?


Whoops! The one I was told about happened in the 90s. Not quite the recent past. 😞


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I love the idea that the Labour Party position on Brexit during the 2019 General Election was somehow nothing to do with Corbyn and solely down to Starmer. He was supposed to be leading the party for felicitations sake!
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Starmer "taking full responsibility for the results" by sacking Angela Rayner.
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Rumours starting that he's going to sack Lisa Nandy next. Talking about moving Labour HQ out of London and shouldering full responsibility for the Hartlepool loss by sacking the 2 most prominent labour northern women MPs. Looks like Starmer has well and truly stacked it.


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Rumours starting that he's going to sack Lisa Nandy next. Talking about moving Labour HQ out of London and shouldering full responsibility for the Hartlepool loss by sacking the 2 most prominent labour northern women MPs. Looks like Starmer has well and truly stacked it.


I’m no fan of either but I’d definitely swap Starmer for Nandy right now, at least she’d have a bit more of a connection with the so called old red wall voters. Failing that the obvious choice (not mine) would be body bags Burnham.

Interesting to note both these Characters have never had proper jobs, never run a business same old career politicians, it would be so refreshing to see someone from the business world a bit like we saw with Trump In the US, I think the voters especially northern would get behind someone of this ilk, because at the minute there’s nobody on the Labour benches the public could take serious.

Take our clubs new owners for example I’ve no idea about their political persuasions but the way they have come across just makes you want to stop and listen. If labour could find someone like these with a high profile they could at least stop the rot and start to pull back. The country needs a strong opposition but at the minute Boris has a free pass because Labour are so inept.
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For any political nerds out there i highly recommend reading Brexitland.  Really fascinating book about how Britain has changed over the last 80 years...  and how the political landscape has shifted.

I wasnt surprised by the hartlepool result....  we live in strange times.  Labour is basically having a mental breakdown ... a great shame because we need a strong opposition right now.
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For any political nerds out there i highly recommend reading Brexitland.  Really fascinating book about how Britain has changed over the last 80 years...  and how the political landscape has shifted.

I wasnt surprised by the hartlepool result....  we live in strange times.  Labour is basically having a mental breakdown ... a great shame because we need a strong opposition right now.


For some reason Boris is bulletproof at the minute. Not sure why, but would welcome any ideas.


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Smokey111... good question.   I   apply the 'what if it was jeremy corbyn' rule to see what the press would do.  I hated corbyn with a passion.... but bojo gets serious air cover from the Daily Mail...Telegraph...Times...  there are many vested interests.

Labour are fighting on multiple fronts....  irrespective of your political leaning it is important to have a vibrant and challenging opposition and press.   Right now we have neither and we are in borderline failed state territory.
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Really?

Projected Popular votes at UK local elections for Labour Party...

Ed Milliband
2011 - 37%
2012 - 38%
2013 - 29%
2014 - 31%
2015 - 29%
Jeremy Corbyn
2016 - 31%
2017 - 27%
2018 - 35%
2019 - 28%
Keir Starmer
2021 - 29-30% (projected)

So Labour has actually marginally improved on the results delived by JC in 2019.


If losing 326 councillors, 8 Councils and a parliamentary seat is an improvement in your books, then you are welcome to it.
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