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Sort out the mess? He’s gone BACKWARDS from 2019 after imposing a full-on second referendum remain headbanger on one of the most pro-Brexit constituencies in the country. He ended up with a third of the vote that the “loony left” delivered in 2017.
This absolutely insane rewriting of history will only end in Labour going the same way as all their sister parties across Europe. In the bin.
Meanwhile, the loony left Preston Labour held every one of their 30 seats and overall control of the council, and Andy Burnham who actively opposed the Tories looks set for a landslide victory.
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Sort out the mess? He’s gone BACKWARDS from 2019 after imposing a full-on second referendum remain headbanger on one of the most pro-Brexit constituencies in the country. He ended up with a third of the vote that the “loony left” delivered in 2017.
This absolutely insane rewriting of history will only end in Labour going the same way as all their sister parties across Europe. In the bin.
Really? Projected Popular votes at UK local elections for Labour Party... Ed Milliband2011 - 37% 2012 - 38% 2013 - 29% 2014 - 31% 2015 - 29% Jeremy Corbyn2016 - 31% 2017 - 27% 2018 - 35% 2019 - 28% Keir Starmer2021 - 29-30% (projected) So Labour has actually marginally improved on the results delived by JC in 2019. |
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Con vote went up 23%. Brexit/Reform vote went down 24.6%.
Lab vote went down 9%. An independent who is a prominent local businesswoman & former journalist took 9.7%.
If you drill down into the results centre & left candidates got a slightly higher % of the vote than in 2019.
The simple lesson is if you have only 1 viable right wing option & multiple left wing (Lab, LD, Green & independent) then the obvious happens and the right wing candidate wins.
With Hartlepool you have to factor in the previous Labour MP & the nature of his resignation- sexual misconduct allegations. You have to ask whether it was a good idea to pick another white middle aged man. It was probably crying out for a female 30 something candidate.
And Keir Starmer...
He has a huge job. He has to tackle the loony left, set out a proper modern vision about what a 21st century Labour Party and try and reconnect with voters in the towns of the North East, East Midlands & West Midlands. Oh and try and make an impact in Scotland.
It might end up that he is to Corbyn what Neil Kinnock was to Michael Foot. Sorting out the mess and falling short himself but leaving the party in a better position than he inherited so the next leader can win a general election.
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Really?
Projected Popular votes at UK local elections for Labour Party...
Ed Milliband
2011 - 37%
2012 - 38%
2013 - 29%
2014 - 31%
2015 - 29%
Jeremy Corbyn
2016 - 31%
2017 - 27%
2018 - 35%
2019 - 28%
Keir Starmer
2021 - 29-30% (projected)
So Labour has actually marginally improved on the results delived by JC in 2019.
I was clearly referring to the appalling Hartlepool result, if you want to act performatively dim. |
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I was clearly referring to the appalling Hartlepool result, if you want to act performatively dim.
Less than 30,000 people voted in Hartlepool by-election. If you want to focus solely on one by-election and not on the results on nationwide local elections where Labour increased their vote marginally that's your choice. Out of interest, what's your opinion on Labour's improved local election results on the calamitous 7% drop in 2019? |
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Less than 30,000 people voted in Hartlepool by-election. If you want to focus solely on one by-election and not on the results on nationwide local elections where Labour increased their vote marginally that's your choice.
Out of interest, what's your opinion on Labour's improved local election results on the calamitous 7% drop in 2019?
The thing is it's mid-term, the government are meant to lose by-elections once the honeymoon has worn off. |
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Labour haven't done well in our local council elections so perhaps what has happened to them in Hartlepool is also the same here locally.
Nationally labour has lost about 186 councillors, and as Rob points out the tory honeymoon is over. Labour should have done a lot better and obviously have serious problems.
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The thing is it's mid-term, the government are meant to lose by-elections once the honeymoon has worn off.
We all know these aren't normal times. |
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It was a very low turnout in Hartlepool. 32% I think. It might be that lots of Labour voters simply stayed at home.
There’s also local factors at play. Hasn’t there been some scandals involving Labour councillors?
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It was a very low turnout in Hartlepool. 32% I think. It might be that lots of Labour voters simply stayed at home.
There’s also local factors at play. Hasn’t there been some scandals involving Labour councillors?
Hasn’t there been some sort of scandal involving Tory councillors around NEL? |
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